The Greek Word Logos

God or Son? Jesus Is God? THE FOURTH MAN Yahshua: Did He Pre-exist? Yahshua Came Down From Heaven Can A Spirit Being Die?

Yahshua's Glory Before the Foundation of the World Did Our Saviour Pre-exist? Yahshua A Man The Greek Word Logos Yahshua: Son Of Elohim Hebrews 1:12

The 2nd Psalm - Pre-existence? The Pre-existence Yahshua's Pre-existence "One And The Same Being?" ONE LONE YAHWEH Oneness Matthew 28:19 ECHAD And Pre-existence New Covenant And Sabbath

YHWH Did Yahshua Create? Who Is The Word? Who Raised Yahshua From The Dead? The Word of Yahweh The First & The Last Yeshua Is Not Yahowah The Holy Spirit Is An It

Elohim: Singular Or Plural? TWO YAHWEHS? Did The Father And Son Have The Same Name? Are You A Nicolaitane? Should Believers Be Vegetarians? Voy Wilks On STDs Can A Spirit Being Die?

Who Was Cain's Wife? Santa God Sabbath Church Confessions House of Yahweh - Abilene, Texas TRM Wine Or Grape Juice?

The Name Jesus "Jesus IS God!" Links Eternal Virgin? THE TESTIMONY OF THE REFORMERS The Epistle Dedicatory To The 1611 Authorized Version Isaiah 9:6

The Holy Spirit Is an It

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Other English translations prior to the KJV in 1611:

In the begynnynge was the worde, and the worde was wyth God; and God was the worde. The same was in the begynnyng wyth God. All thinges were made by it, and wythout it, was made nothynge that was made. In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men, and the lyght shyneth in darcknes, and the darcknes comprehended it not. (Great Bible, The Byble in Englyshe, that is to saye the Content of al the holy Scrypture, both of the olde, and newe Testament, London: Edward Whitchurche, 1539). In the beginning was the Worde, and the Worde was with God and that Worde was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. In it was lif, and the lif was the light of men. And the light shineth in the darkenes, and the darkenes comprehended it not. (Geneva Bible, The Bible and Holy Scriptures conteyned in the Olde and Newe Testament, Geneva: Rouland Hall, 1560).

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was that Word. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by it, and without it, was made nothing that was made. In it was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in the darknesse, and the darknesse comprehendeth it not. (Bishops’ Bible, The Holie Bible, London: Richard Jugge, 1568).

In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. This same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. In it was life, and that life was the light of men. And that light shineth in the darknes, and the darknesse comprehended it not. (Lawrence Tomson, The New Testament of Our Lord Jesus Christ, Translated out of Greeke by Theod. Beza, London: Robert Barker, 1607).

Logiskos (g3050) log-ik-os'; from 3056; rational ("logical"): - reasonable, of the word.

Logos (g3056) log'-os; from 3004; something said (including the thought); by impl. a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive... the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ): - account, cause, communication, concerning, doctrine...

Who Is The Word?

John 1 and the Word (Logos) of God

Did Thomas Call Yahshua "God"?

John's Prologue

Did Thomas Call Yahshua "God"?

Explanations proposed:

1. Thomas was surprised when he saw the Lord in their midst. “My God!” was just an expression, a “statement of surprise.”
  1. - Thomas was actually addressing both the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ when he said, “My Lord and my God.”
      - It is not a teaching text (non-didactic text); actually Thomas made a mistake when he said, “My Lord and my God.”
        Thomas could have been saying my master and judge. The word 'theos' is generic and has many meanings and can mean 'judge'.

Webmaster's Comment: It is my stance that Thomas exclaimed "My master (lord) AND my Almighty One ['God']!". He said "my master ['lord']" giving reference to Yahshua as his master AND "my Almighty One ['God']" giving reference to Father Yahweh as his Almighty One.

"Yet for us there is one Mighty One [God], the Father, from Whom are all things...and one master, Yahshua the Messiah because of whom are all things ... (1 Corinthians 8.6).

There are two separate beings spoken of in this verse, Yahshua Messiah and His and our FATHER Yahweh. I believe that Thomas was also speaking of two separate beings.

Here is the entire text from the 'New American Standard Bible' John 20:27-28:

"Then he (Yahshua) said to Thomas, 'Reach here your finger, and see my hands, and reach here your hand, and put it into my side; and be not unbelieving, but believing.' Thomas answered and said to him, 'My Lord and my God!'"

Please observe the mark of exclamation (!) at the end of the phrase. The King James Version does not use an exclamation mark.

Please notice there was no question asked in the entire narration. Hence, the text which reads "Thomas answered" is inaccurate.

The last phrase "My Lord and my God!" was not an answer but it was an outburst by Thomas, having seen something inexplicable and baffling. It is not unusual that a man cries out; "O' my God!" when he sees something totally bizarre.

Below are the texts from two reputed versions of the Bible

that support what Thomas said was not an answer to any question.

'New English Bible': Thomas said, "My Lord and my God!"

'Phillips Modern English Bible': "My Lord and my God!" cried Thomas.

Study Supportive Passage:

Apostle Yahchanan writes, immediately after the discourse between Yahshua and Thomas; "Many other signs therefore Yahshua also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written that you may believe that Yahshua is the Messiah."

If Yahchanan had recognized the answer by Thomas to be a testimony for the 'Deity of Jesus', and the observed silence by Jesus to be his acquiesce to such a testimony, then the apostle Yahchanan would have asked us to believe "Yahshua is Yahweh", instead of "Yahshua is the Messiah" in the above verse. SOURCE

Yahshua is Called “God”

Jn 20:28 Thomas answered and said unto him, My Master and my God.

The English word “God,” is derived in the OT from the Hebrew “elohim,” and in the NT from the Greek “theos.”

#430 ‘elohiym; KJV – God 2346, god 244, judge 5, GOD 1, goddess 2, great 2, mighty 2, angels 1, exceeding 1, godly 1; total 2606; Definition: rulers, judges, divine ones, angels, gods or god, the (true) God.

#2316 theos; KJV – God 1320, god 13, godly 3, God-ward + 4214 2, misc 5; total 1343; Definition: a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities, spoken of the only and true God, refers to the things of God, of magistrates and judges.

As you can see by the definitions above the words “elohim” or “theos” do not solely apply only to the Father and the Son but can be given to angels, judges, rulers or any great or mighty person. Satan is termed god in 2Co 4:4, and the belly in Phil 3:19 as is Herod in Act 12:22. In Jn 10:34 Yahshua uses Ps.82:6 to counter the Jews charge, “That thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Yahshua answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken” (Jn 10:33-35). Elohim merely means a great or mighty one (see also Ex 22:9 & 28) and can certainly be applied to Yahshua, but the error takes place when Yahshua is classified as the one true “God,” the Almighty. Two verses clearly prove beyond a doubt that the Son is not the One True Almighty God, one spoken by Yahshua, the other by Paul.

Jn.17:3; “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee (Yahweh the Father vs. 1) the only true God, and Yahshua Messiah, whom thou hast sent.”

1Cor.8: 4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Master Yahshua Messiah, by whom are all things, and we by him.

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What Thomas seen was evidence of Yeshua's resurrrection.

Thomas exclaimed "My Master and my Mighty One!" Master ["Lord"] being in reference to the Messiah Yeshua and "Mighty One ["God"]" being in reference to Father Yahowah. When Thomas exclaimed "My Master and my Mighty One!" he was speaking of two separate beings. Following are some verse of Scripture transaltion that speak of our "Lord" (Yeshua) and our "God, or Mighty One" (Yahowah) as two separate and distinct beings:

So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God (Mark 16:19).

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36).

And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit (Acts 7:59).

Cornelius calls an angel "Lord":

And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God (Acts 10:14).

And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul (Acts 16:14).

Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21).

But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24).

Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him (Acts 28:31).

To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 1:7).

And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement (Romans 5:11).

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved (Romans 10:9).

That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 15:6).

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him (1 Corinthians 8:6).

There are MANY more!

The account of Thomas wanting to see evidence of Yeshua resurrection is simpy not told to prove a "Jesus IS God!" doctrine. This account was told to show that those who have not seen what Thomas has seen are blessed. "... blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." It is speaking here of those who have witnessed that Yeshua had been resurrected from death and those who in the future who have not witnessed his resurrection, but yet still believe and how they are blessed in doing so.

Thomas 'Sees' God

by Phil Maxwell 11/25/02

To the question, would I say to Yahshua, as Thomas said, “my Lord and my God?”, I must answer no, at least not without further qualification, which I'll explain.

When Thomas said this, no one would have even imagined that Yahshua was Himself the invisible, Almighty God, who He declared over and over again was His Father. He even said that His Father was the ONLY true God (Jn 17:3), eliminating from all consideration what has SINCE become a virtual assumption on the part of most Christians. In other words, there was no reason for Thomas, Yahshua, or John to qualify the meaning of Thomas’ words to NOT mean that Yahshua was God Himself. People don’t qualify their words without a reason to believe they might be misunderstood. To read theological assumptions into words that didn’t and wouldn’t have been thought at the time is fallacious. To then argue that those words prove the same theological assumptions is circular reasoning.

The strictly monotheistic Jews of that culture would never have thought the invisible God of Creation was a man, or that a man was the God of Creation. That Yahshua was a man was assumed, and that necessarily excluded any thought that He was God in the minds of those involved in the conversation recorded in John 20. There was a lot of confusion over His true identity and relationship with the Father, but not over whether or not He was God (that came quite a while later):

Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He began asking His disciples, saying, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” And Simon Peter answered and said, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.” Mt 16:14-17

Of course, these are different times. Now, when people are asked the same question, the answer comes back like, ‘God the Son, the God-man, the second person of the triune God, etc.’ (Of course, I still answer, that He is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and figure that if this knowledge is a blessing from the Father in heaven that the Church would be built upon and stand against the gates of hell, then it’s good enough for both the Father and His Son, whether it’s a good enough answer for men or not.) The general population is still completely confused over who (and now, what) Yahshua is, but in different ways. This provides a reason to qualify Thomas’ words that didn’t exist 2,000 years ago, just as the deity of Christ and trinity doctrines didn’t exist then. Now, my testimony, in contrast to Thomas’, would be more aptly stated ‘My Lord and my God who is in you.’

Knowing that people have a problem with this, let me explain why it is appropriate to address God IN Christ while distinguishing between the two. It follows a pattern long before established regarding the places where Yahweh had chosen to place His name.

First, consider Yahweh’s instruction to Moses:

Then Yahweh said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'You yourselves have seen that I have spoken to you from heaven. 'You shall not make other gods besides Me; gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for yourselves. 'You shall make an altar of earth for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen; in every place where I cause My name to be remembered, I will come to you and bless you. (Ex 20:22-24)

[Obviously, they were to worship at the places that Yahweh chose, and in doing so, they were promised His blessing.]

Then, there was similar commandments and promises given to the next generation:

When you cross the Jordan and live in the land which Yahweh your God is giving you to inherit, and He gives you rest from all your enemies around you so that you live in security, then it shall come about that the place in which Yahweh your God shall choose for His name to dwell, there you shall bring all that I command you: your burnt offerings and your sacrifices, your tithes and the contribution of your hand, and all your choice votive offerings which you will vow to Yahweh. And you shall rejoice before Yahweh your God, you and your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, and the Levite who is within your gates, since he has no portion or inheritance with you. Be careful that you do not offer your burnt offerings in every cultic place you see, but in the place which Yahweh chooses in one of your tribes, there you shall offer your burnt offerings, and there you shall do all that I command you. (Dt 12:10-14)

[Obviously, the invisible God Almighty has always made a point of the fact that He reserves the right to establish the place He is to be worshipped.]

Then we see the same pattern with regard to Solomon’s temple:

'Since the day that I brought My people from the land of Egypt, I did not choose a city out of all the tribes of Israel in which to build a house that My name might be there, nor did I choose any man for a leader over My people Israel; but I have chosen Jerusalem that My name might be there, and I have chosen David to be over My people Israel.' (2 Ch 6:5-6)

For now I have chosen and consecrated this house that My name may be there forever, and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually. (2 Ch 7:16)

[Of course, now we know that Yahshua Himself has been made the King over Yahweh’s people and Chief Cornerstone of Yahweh’s house of living stones.]

"Yet have regard to the prayer of Thy servant and to his supplication, O Yahweh my God, to listen to the cry and to the prayer which Thy servant prays before Thee today; that Thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, toward the place of which Thou hast said, 'My name shall be there,' to listen to the prayer which Thy servant shall pray toward this place. …And the LORD said to him, "I have heard your prayer and your supplication, which you have made before Me; I have consecrated this house which you have built by putting My name there forever, and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually. (1 Ki 8:28-29, 9:3)

Now when Daniel knew that the document was signed, he entered his house (now in his roof chamber he had windows open toward Jerusalem); and he continued kneeling on his knees three times a day, praying and giving thanks before his God, as he had been doing previously. (Da 6:10)

[Daniel was thrown into the lion’s den and miraculously delivered for this.]

This clear pattern continued with Yahshua, being testified plainly by His resurrection that He was the “place” Yahweh had chosen to place His name, where His eyes and His Heart would be perpetually. Just as promised regarding these other places, Yahweh will here prayers and supplications directed TO Him towards Yahshua, and bless those who so direct their worship of Him.

Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." The Jews therefore said, "It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?" But He was speaking of the temple of His body. When therefore He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture, and the word which Jesus had spoken. (Jn 2:19-22)

So, getting back to the point, I have no problem turning to Yahshua, my Lord, to offer my prayers and supplications offered to His Father and my Father, His God and my God, just like Thomas did, once he came to believe that Yahshua was, in fact, the temple Yahweh had chosen to dwell in. But I won’t say, “my Lord and my God” without qualifying the difference between the temple and He who dwells within amongst people I know would assume there is no difference. The Jews of two millennia ago didn't need to be told that God is not, never has been, and never will be a man, as the people of this generation do. Neither did they have any confusion over the difference between Yahweh and His temple, though they did struggle to grasp the revelation that the man Yahshua was both the one Yahweh had appointed King over His people and the Chief Cornerstone of His temple.

How we can expect to be joined to the temple as Yahweh intends while refusing to acknowledge the difference between His temple and His person. The natural conclusion of this error would be to assume ourselves, as living stones in Yahweh's temple, also to be God. Such a mindset clearly represents the heart, mind, and ambitions of Satan and his children, not the children of the one true God. In the end, Yahweh will bring upon the head of those who serve the devil exactly what they try to force upon His own children. Obviously, the blessing of being the temple of the living God was never intended to rest solely upon the man Yahshua:

'Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews, and are not, but lie-- behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you. …'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name. (Rev 3:9,12)

Also See:

My Lord and My God

Kurios, Theos, and Despotes

John 20:28

Psalm 110

by D. J. Love, The Bnei HaMashalim

written 4-2-2003

refined August 19, 2011

My Lord and My God