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Father and Son
Are they One and the Same Person?
From The Everlasting Good News of Yahweh website (http://www.intergate.com/~jcordaro/index.html) for which I provide a link on my "Links" page.
by Voy Wilks
7/15/92
Mt.20:25 - Father And Son - two persons.
Jn.3:16 - For YHWH so loved the world that He gave, not Himself, but His Son.
Jn.3:17 - YHWH sent His Son into the world. Did YHWH send Himself?
Jn.5:37 - You have not heard or seen the Father (but they had seen and heard the Son) two different persons.
Jn.5:37 - There are TWO witnesses - (1) the Father and (2) the Son (two persons).
Jn.5:43 - Yeshua came in the Father's name, but they did not receive him.
Jn.8:18 - There are TWO witnesses; the Father and the Son (two persons).
Jn.8:19 - You know neither me nor my Father (two persons).
Jn.10:29 - The Father is greater than all (others).
Jn.12:28 - Yeshua said, "Father, glorify thy Name." A voice answered. Was it Yeshua answering himself?
Jn.14:1 - You believe in YHWH, believe ALSO in me (two persons).
Jn.14:25 - My words are not mine, but His who sent me (two persons: sender/sent).
Jn.14:28 - My FATHER is greater than I - truly (two persons; Father & Son).
Jn.15:1 - I am the vine. My FATHER is the vine dresser; two different parties.
Jn.15:9 - The Father loved me, so I haved loved you (three parties; Father, Son & disciples).
Jn.15:10 - If you love me you will keep my commandments just as I have kept my Father's commandments.
Jn.15:24 - They hated BOTH me AND my Father (two persons).
Jn.16:3 - You have not known the Father nor me (two parties; Father & Son).
Jn.16:28 - I came down from the Father and go to the Father. Did Yeshua go to himself?
Jn.16:32 - I am not alone, for the Father is with me (two persons).
Jn.17:1 - Yeshua prayed to the Father. Did he pray to himself?
Jn.17:3 - ETERNAL LIFE is knowing you, the ONLY TRUE EL, AND Yeshua Messiah whom you sent. Do we want eternal life? If so, believe in the Father and the Son (two persons).
Jn.17:4 - I glorified you on earth, and finished the work you gave me to do (the Boss & the workman).
Jn.17:5 - Now Father, glorify me. Two parties; one is superior, one inferior).
Jn.17:11 - Father, keep my disciples, that they may be ONE AS WE ARE ONE. Comment: Yeshua and his Father were "one" just as the 12 Apostles should be "one;" that is, "one in purpose and doctrine.
Jn.17:18 - As YOU sent ME, so I send them into the world. Three parties: You, me, and them.
Jn.17:21 - That they may all be one in US; you and I. Us equals two or more persons.
Jn.17:22 - That the Apostles may be one as WE are ONE. Were the Apostles only one person, rather than 12 persons? Just as the Apostles were 12 individual persons, but with one goal, so the Heavenly Father and His Son were two individual persons with one goal.
Acts 2:24* - Here we have TWO persons: One ALIVE, one DEAD. Yeshua, being dead, could not raise himself. Who did? YHWH raised him from the grave - from death (Acts 3:14,15).
Acts 2:27 - Yeshua's soul was not left in hell; it too was raised from hell, from the grave, from the dead (vs.32). By whom? By the power of YHWH (two persons are referred to here).
Rom.1:3 - Declared to be the Son of YHWH, ... by his resurrection from the dead (two persons).
Gal.1:1 - YHWH (the Father) raised Yeshua (the Son) from the dead. Yeshua was subject to death, but his Father was not subject to death.
Eph.6:23 - Peace to all from YHWH the Father AND from Yeshua. Two separate and distinct persons.
Ph.1:2 - Grace from YHWH our Father AND from Yeshua Messiah. Two persons.
Col.1:1 - Paul an Apostle of Yeshua Messiah by the will of YHWH (three persons: Paul, YHWH, & Yeshua).
1 Th.1:1 - Peace from YHWH the Father AND the Savior Yeshua (two persons; Father and Son).
2 Th.1:2 - Grace and peace from YHWH the Father AND from Yeshua the Messiah (two persons).
1 Tim.1:1 - Paul, an Apostle of Yeshua by command of YHWH AND Yeshua Messiah (Two persons).
1 Tim.1:2 - Grace, mercy and peace from YHWH the Father, AND from Yeshua the Messiah.
2 Tim.1:2 - Grace and peace from YHWH the Father AND from Yeshua our Savior.
Titus 1:1 - Paul, a servant of YHWH, AND an Apostle of Yeshua.
Phil.3 - Grace to you, and peace (1) from YHWH our Father AND (2) from Yeshua Messiah.
Heb.1:1 - YHWH in times past spoke through the prophets, but in these last days spoke to us by His Son.
Ja.1:1 - James, a servant of (1) YHWH, and (2) Yeshua.
1 Pe.1:3 - Blessed be the El and Father of our Savior, Yeshua.
2 Pe.1:2 - Grace to you through the knowledge of YHWH, AND of Yeshua Messiah (two parties).
1 Jn.1:3 - Our fellowship is with the Father, AND with His Son Yeshua the Messiah.
1 Jn.2:1 - If anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Yeshua the Messiah (Father YHWH & advocate Yeshua (two persons).
2 Jn.9 - Whoever abides in the doctrine of Messiah has BOTH the Father AND the Son.
Jude 1 - YHWH the Father, AND Yeshua Messiah (two persons).
Jude 4 - Some deny the only YHWH, AND our Savior Yeshua the Messiah (two persons).
Rev.1:1* - The revelation which YHWH gave to Himself. No. No. YHWH did not give the revelation to himself, but to His Son Yeshua the Messiah.
Rev.1:4* - A salutation from two persons: (1) Him who is, who was, and is to come (the eternal YHWH);
And from Yeshua Messiah the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, etc.(vs.5).
Rev.1:9* - The word of YHWH and the testimony of Yeshua: Two persons.
Rev.2:8* - The words of him who died (Yeshua). It is impossible for the Father to die, therefore Yeshua is not one and the same person as the Father.
Rev.2:26 - He who overcomes, I (Yeshua) will give power over the nations, even as I myself received power from my Father (vs.27). Two persons: The lesser receives power from the other.
Rev.3:5 - Two persons: one of which will confess our names before the other. Who are these two? Father YHWH and Son Yeshua.
Rev.3:12* - He who overcomes, I (Yeshua,Vs.11) will make him a pillar in the temple of MY ELOAH; and write on him the name of MY ELOAH; etc. Yeshua's El was someone other than himself.
Rev.3:14 - The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of El's creation. Two persons spoken of: (1) El the Creator, and (2) the one who was created - the True Witness (Yeshua).
Rev.3:21 - Overcomers will sit with me (Yeshua) in my throne, as I overcame and sit with my Father in His throne. Two thrones and two persons are spoken of: (1) the Father and His throne, and (2) the Son and his throne.
Rev.4:2-11 - He who sat upon the throne (Rev.4:2,3,9,10; 5:1,7; 19:4; 20:11; 21:5), was YHWH, the Almighty El. Yeshua, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, the Lamb who was slain, and who opened the seven seals (Rev.5:2-10); was not YHWH. He stood before the throne on which the Father (YHWH) sat: two persons.
Rev.5:11-13 - Praises were given to (1) Him who sits on the throne, and (2) the Lamb who was slain.
Rev.6:16 - Hide us from (1) Him who sits on the throne, and (2) the wrath of the Lamb: Two persons.
Rev.7:9,10 - Salvation belongs to our El, and to the Lamb: Two persons.
Rev.7:17 - The Lamb, now on the throne, on his Father's right hand (Heb.1:3), will be their shepherd; and YHWH will wipe away all tears: Two persons.
Rev.11:15 - The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our YHWH, and of His Messiah: two persons.
Rev.12:17 - Those who keep the commandments of YHWH (first person), and who bear testimony of Yeshua (second person).
Rev.14:1,4 - These have the Father's Name written in their foreheads (Greek - Father and Son's name), and are the firstfruits to YHWH AND the Lamb.
Rev.14:12 - Those who keep the commandments of YHWH AND the faith of Yeshua: two persons.
Rev.15:3* - Three separate persons are named here: YHWH, the Lamb, and Moses. If Moss and YHWH are not one and the same persons, why should we think the Lamb and YHWH are one and the same person?
Rev.19:4-7 - Four parties are named here: YHWH the Almighty, The Lamb (Yeshua, the bridegroom), the bride of Messiah, a great multitude.
Rev.20:6 - They will be priests (1) of YHWH and (2) of the Messiah.
Rev.21:9,10 - Three parties: YHWH, the Lamb, and the bride.
Rev.21:22 - Two parties are named: YHWH and the Lamb. These are the temple in the New Jerusalem.
Rev.22:1 - The river of life flows from the throne of YHWH AND of the Lamb (two persons).
Rev.22:3 - No more curse will be there for the throne of YHWH And of the Lamb will be in the city: two persons.
Conclusion of these thoughts
Brethren, to create only ONE person from these two:
YHWH the Father (who sits on the throne), and
Yeshua the Son (the Messiah, the Lamb);
Requires too much bending of terms, titles, names, logic, facts, and Scriptures. It is much better to accept the "sincere milk of the Word" (1 Pe.2:2), and "receive with meekness the engrafted Word" of YHWH (Ja.1:21),
"...which is able to instruct you for salvation through faith in the Messiah Yeshua. For all Scripture given by inspiration of YHWH is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of YHWH may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works" (2 Tim.3:16,17 KJV).
One good work which we should continually promote is FAITH; Faith in the following:
Faith in the one Supreme Being who has LIVED ETERNALLY. His Name is YHWH, the Creator of the heavens and the earh and all things in them.
Faith in YHWH's Son; Yeshua the Messiah, who DIED to redeem sinners and arose again the third day. He was "declared to be the Son of YHWH... by his resurrection from the dead (Rom.1:1-4).
Father YEHOVAH and His son YEHOSHUA do not share the same name. It is FATHER Yehovah Who gave His SON His name and that name is Yehoshua, not Yehovah. The name Yehoshua means ‘Yehovah is Redeemer’ which designates FATHER Yehovah as our Supreme Redeemer. Yehoshua said that his FATHER and his Almighty One [God] GAVE Him all power (authority) in heaven and in the earth.
The Father's Name is Yahweh. Does the son have the same, identical name? Let us look at the evidence.
"Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified [esteemed] in the son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it" ([Yahchanan] John 14:13,14 RSV - brackets mine).
"In that day [time period] you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say unto you, if you ask anything of the Father, He will give it to you in my name. Hitherto you have asked nothing in my name; ask, and you will receive, ... In that day [time period] you will ask in my name and I do not say to you that I will pray the Father for you; for the Farther Himself loves you, because you have loved me and believed that I came from the Father" ([Yahchanan] John 16:23,24,26,27).
If the son's name was identical to that of the Father, why was it necessary for the Messiah to specify, "From now on, you must ask the Father in my name?" These men had always prayed to Yahweh the Father. Now the son admonishes them to ask "in my name." If the Father and the son had identical names, this would have not have been necessary.
Only the first letters of the names were identical (YAH). Scriptures and reference books reveal that the son's name was Yahshua, identical to that of the son of Nun; Yah-shua, meaning Yah(weh) saves [redeems]. *
Because these men (the son of Nun and the son of [Miraim] Mary) had identical names, the King James translators mistakenly wrote "J-sus" in two Scriptures where it should have been "Joshua" (Acts 7:45; Hebrews 4:8).
All scholars agree that the name of the son of Noun was NOT identical to that of the Heavenly Father. It was identical to that of the son of [Miriam] Mary. * Therefore the evidence indicates:
The Father's Name is
YAHWEH.
The son's name is
YAH-SHUA, or YAHWSHUA.
End Notes:
* Jerusalem Bible, note on Mt. 1:21.
* Anchor Bible, note on Mark 1:1.
* RSV Harper Study Bible, Introduction to the book of Joshua.
* The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Vol. 3, Article: J-sus.
* The Winston Dictionary, 1943, Article: J-sus.
* The Jewish N.T., Mt. 1:21 and throughout the entire N.T.
* Strong's Concordance. #3090 (Hebrew), and #2424 (Greek).
* Emphatic Diaglott, Appendix, Article: J-sus; plus a note on Mt. 1:21, Acts 7:45, Hebrews 4:8.
* The Weymouth Version, Note on Mt. 1:21.
* Will the Real J-sus Please Stand?, By Vendyl Jones, page 7-33.
* History of the Jews, By Cecil Roth, Schocken Books, Publishers.
* The Universal Standard Encyclopedia, Article: J-sus Chr-st.
* Ecclesiastiacal History, By Eusebius Pamphilus, Baker Book House, Page 22.
* Smith's Comprehensive Dictionary of the Bible, 1884 Edition, Article: J-sus.
* The Companion Bible (Notes by Bullinger), Appendix 98, J-sus.
Webmasters Notes:
I would also like to point out that many refer to Messiah coming in the Name Yahweh as evidence that he and his Father Yahweh had identical names. David said that he had also come in the Name Yahweh.
Then said David to the Philistine, you come to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to you in the Name of Yahweh of hosts, theAlmighty One of the armies of Ysryl, whom you have defied (1 Samuyah [Samuel] 17:45).
Was David's Name Yahweh? Most certainly not! When Yahshua and David are said to come in the Name Yahweh, this is simply in reference to them coming in Fathers Yahweh's authority or power. Yahshua said that ALL power [authority] in heaven and in earth was given unto him by his Father Yahweh. David also was anointed as King by means of Father Yahweh just as Father Yahweh had anointed and appointed His son Yahshua to reign as King and as our High Priest after the order of Melchizadek in this last time period. Yahshua came in the Name Yahweh just a David came in the Name Yahweh. They most certainly were not in any way saying that their name was also Yahweh.
Father Yahweh gave His son the name Yahshua which in itself means 'Yahweh Is Redeemer" signifying that it is truly Father Yahweh Who is our Supreme Redeemer. Father Yahweh simply gave His son the power [authority] to redeem mankind from sin and death, since ALL power [authority] in heaven and in earth was given to him by his and our Father Yahweh. Yahshua was also given power to forgive sin by his and our Father Yahweh.
But that you may know that the son of man has power on earth to forgive sins, (then said he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up your bed, and go unto your house (Mattithyah [Matthew] 9:6; Yahchanan Mark 2:10; Luke 5:24).
And Yahshua came and spoke unto them, saying, ALL power is GIVEN unto mein heaven and in earth (Mattithyah [Matthew] 28:18).
The doctrine that the Messiah was also named Yahweh is just another false doctrine to further promote another false and deceptive doctrine that "Jesus Is God!".
Someone has just approached me with the following Scripture verse from the so-called "New Testament" erroneously believing that Father Yahweh literally gave His son His Name to be named by:
"I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given me, that they may be one even as we are (Yahchanan [John] 17:11).
My response is as follows:
"Surely Father Yahweh made His Name known unto His own son! It is in this sense that He gave His son His Name! Yahshua said that he had come in his Father's Name. The name Yahshua means 'Yahweh is Redeemer'. His and our Father Yahweh's Name is within his name YAHshua just as His Name is within many names of the other former prophets before him."
YAHWEH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS
Jeremiah 23:5,6
4/17/97
"Behold, the days come, saith Yahweh, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a king shall reign and proper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his day Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely, and this is the name whereby he shall be called, The LORD [Yahweh] Our Righteousness" (Jer. 23:5,6 KJV).
Just as the name Yahshua means "Yahweh's salvation," so in the future time someone will, at least ceremonially, be called "Yahweh our righteousness." The question is, who? If indeed this speaks of Yahshua the Messiah, as some believe, wonderful. If not, so be it.
The subject in verse 5 is The Branch, but in verse 6 the salvation of Judah and Israel. The Berkely Version has a footnote on Jer. 23:6 which reads as follows:
"Receiving a name symbolizing the ideal character displayed by the NATION[Isa. 1:26; 61:11], for God, as we now know, in Christ, is the source of our righteousness" (Emphasis added).
Notice How It Reads
To arrive at a perfectly clear understanding, let us again carefully review Jeremiah 23:5,6.
"Behold, the days come, saith Yahweh, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a king shall reign and proper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth" (Jer. 23:5, KJV).
In verse 5, two parties are spoken of: (1) David, and (2) David's descendant, The Branch (Yahshua, the Messiah). At some future time, The Branch will reign and prosper.
In his [Yahshua'a] day Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, Yahweh Our Righteousness" (Jer. 23:6).
Notice: Judah and Israel will be saved (verse 6a). The first HIS (verse 6a) speaks of The Branch; not Judah, not Israel. Now for the second HIS. "And this is HIS name whereby HE shall be called, Yahweh Our Righteousness" (verse 6b). Question: To whom does the second His and He refer? To Judah and Israel, or to The Branch (Yahshua)?
The correct answer is, the second HIS and HE refer to Israel and Judah, not to The Branch (verse 6b). I say this with confidence because of the related prophecy which is almost identical:
"Behold, the days come, saith Yahweh, that I will perform that good thing which I promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness [Yahshua] to grow up unto David; and He [The Branch, Yahshua] shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalemshall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith SHE [Jerusalem] shall be called, Yahweh Our Righteousness" (Jer. 33:14-16).*
Is The Branch (Yahshua) a SHE? No. But Jerusalem was often referred to as "she;" sometimes a homonym for Judah also (Ezek. 16:1-8). Both Israel and Judah were sometimes spoken of as women {she} (Hosea 2:1-18; Amos 5:12;6:2). Jerusalem will be called, "Yahweh is there" (Ezek. 48:35). Jerusalem will be called "the city of righteousness, the faithful city" (Isa. 1:1,26).
Of several other versions which agree fully with the King James Version, the Beck Version is crystal clear:
"Then Judah will be saved and Jerusalem live without danger, and the CITYwill be called "The-LORD-our-righteousness" [Yahweh-our-righteousness] (Jer. 33:16 Beck Version).
Conclusion
The title, Yahweh Our Righteousness" is not a reference to Yahshua, but to Judah, Israel, and especially to Jerusalem. This will occur at a future time when Yahweh and Yahshua the Messiah execute judgment and justice in the earth (Jer. 23:6) Obviously, that time has not yet come, because justice is not in the earth today. We wait for that day with patience (Rom. 8:18-26).
Blessed will be the day when Jerusalem will be called "Yahweh our righteousness."
Come Yahshua Messiah.
* A footnote in the Berkely Version reads as follows" "Our righteousness due to God: expression of the ideal character which the NATION will then display [ch. 23:6]; future ideal king, see the symbolic name, 'the LORD is there,' in Ezek. 48:35" (Emphasis added).
JEREMIAH 33:16 - SHE = THE CITY OF JERUSALEM
VERSIONS WHICH AGREE WITH THE KING JAMES
King James Version (Companion Bible; see Bullinger's Notes)
New King James Version
Revised Standard Version
New Revised Standard Version
American Standard Version
New American Standard Version
New English Bible
Beck Version*
Amplified Version
New American Bible
Good News Bible*
Moffatt Translation
Bethel Bible
Jerusalem Bible*
Jewish Publication Society O.T. (1985)
New World Translation
Bible In Basic English
NIV Interlinear Hebrew/English/ Translation
Zodhiates Complete O.T. Word Study
Also see:
Following are links to my web pages that clearly show that Yahshua is not his and our Father Yahweh and that they do not have the same name:
By Voy Wilks, Cisco, Texas
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