SALSA (Salsa Cycles):
VAYA
Vaya Deore 2016
http://salsacycles.com/bikes/vaya/2016_vaya_deore
http://www.joe-bike.com/product/salsa-vaya-deore-240598-1.htm
Cost: $1500
Crank: SRAM S600 48/32T
Cassette: SRAM 11-36 9 speed
Derailleur (R): Deore
Derailleur (F): SRAM x5 2x10
Shifters: Sora
GI = 24.5 to 119.8
Brakes: SRAM BBR7
Surly Knard, 700 x 42mm
Salsa Cowbell 2
Replace crank with 48/30 supercompact, and low gear = 22.8
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Vaya X9 2016
http://salsacycles.com/bikes/vaya/2016_vaya_x9
Cost: $2000
Crank: SRAM S1000 48/32T
Cassette: SRAM 11-36 10 speed
Derailleur (R): SRAM X9
Derailleur (F): SRAM X7 HDM
Shifters: SRAM Apex
GI = 24.5 to 119.8
Brakes: SRAM BBR7
Surly Knard, 700 x 42mm
Salsa Cowbell 2
http://www.joe-bike.com/product/salsa-vaya-x9-240597-1.htm
X9 is about 1 lb. lighter than the lower-cost Vaya Deore.
SRAM 42/28 = 21.4 to 105 GI
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For 2016, the Vaya evolves a little further away from loaded touring (to make room for their new full-on tourer, the Marrakesh) and more toward adventure riding, all-day rides, and credit card touring.
1. Salsa has lightened Vaya's frame, making it faster and more agile but also making it less suitable for loaded touring (let's define that as >40 lbs. of gear). The 2016 Vaya Deore is a full 3.25 lbs. lighter than the 2015 Vaya 3. And it's the same frame that's used on the $2000 Vaya X9.
2. The triple crankset, a practical necessity for loaded touring on hills, has been replaced by a wide-range double.
3. The tires are all-terrain Surly Knard 41 mm gravel/monstercross, which excel on rough or loose surfaces and which will keep you comfortable hour after hour. (We can easily change these to street tires if you like, and we'd recommend 32-37mm widths for that.)
4. Standover clearance improves, especially on the smaller sizes.
5. The frames upgrade to an EC44 size headtube for use with Salsa's 1-1/8 to 1-1/4” tapered steerers on the Vaya Carbon and Vaya Steel forks. This steerer tube size offers predictable and confidence-inspiring handling without sacrificing comfort.
6. Yes, that means you can now use a Vaya carbon fork!
Random factoids: There's clearance for tires even wider than the Knards, even with fenders. There are mounting points for front and rear racks. If you want to avoid racks, then frame packs, handlebar packs, and seatpacks from Revelate, Salsa, or Apidura will work nicely with the Vaya.
The Vaya continues to feature a stable geometry that feels great unloaded or loaded, and on tricky as well as totally predictable surfaces.
Daydreaming about your next adventure? A bike like the Vaya Deore is just the thing to get you planning your trek into the unknown. Salsa's tried-and-true steel makes for an all-day crusader of a frame, with a relaxed geometry and a butter-smooth ride that will make you wish you could keep pedaling all day long. Tough rims from WTB aren't scared of the beaten path, and wide Surly Knard tires can grip the less-than-serviceable surfaces with ease. A 9-speed Deore drivetrain is just what the climbing-doctor ordered for easy cresting of daunting peaks, and a sweet set of components from Salsa and WTB will have you questing into unknown lands and searching for the next undiscovered town.
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FARGO
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WARBIRD
Warbird (2014) 36 x 30
Material:
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Brakes
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http://pathlesspedaled.com/2012/12/salsa-vaya-1000-mile-review-or-our-thoughts-on-salsa-vaya-vs-surly-lht/
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INTERRUPTER LEVERS
Used on Giant Revolt: Shimano Tiagra w/ Tektro RL721 sub lever
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/05/video/ask-a-mechanic-installing-secondary-cross-brake-levers_371974
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bl9.htm
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In the beginning of our builds, we considered compact road doubles, but for us they seemed a little too highly geared for touring, so we decided to go with mountain doubles. Both of us are running identical drivetrains with SRAM X5 mountain double cranks with 42/28 chainrings, X7 front derailleurs, X9 rear derailleurs and 12-36 10speed cassettes. They work pretty seamlessly with both the Paul Thumbies and Apex brifters. Most people will ask, why a mountain double and not a touring triple? We rode with a touring triple on our LHTs for years and they worked fine. However, interestingly enough, after touring with the Bromptons (which only had 6 speeds), we knew we wanted to simplify our drivetrains from 27 speeds with lots of redundancy to just 20. Although we have a third fewer gears than a touring triple, our range is pretty similar. We’ve got a high gear of about 95 gear inches and a low of 21 gear inches. On a flat road we can spin up the pedals to about 25 mph (anything faster than that is beyond our ken of riding for this bike since we’ll most likely be loaded). The low of 21 gear inches has been low enough to get us up and over hills and mountains, even when carrying touring loads. If we were to go to truly mountainous terrain with an expedition load, we’d probably swap the small chainring for a 24t to drop us down to 18 gear inches.
SKS longboard fenders. P45s.
XT 9 speed with a 26/36/48
Shimano Sora Triple 9 speed shifter
https://jet.com/product/detail/21fefe210522454cbf39d1761d660514?jcmp=pla:ggl:cwin_sporting_goods_a1:outdoor_recreation_cycling_bicycle_parts_a1_other:na:na:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&k_clickid=b744839b-8ff1-4e0b-a964-7d78bc8d430b&gclid=Cj0KEQiAn8i0BRDur-HV1PCTy4UBEiQAPuFr9Lw8-sAY_qy567TpUNw-Dby0c2vHNoJk_A4VXE3ewuoaAhNf8P8HAQ
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IF THE SALSA VAYA TURNED OUT TO BE GEARED TOO HIGH
Replace:
Crankset: Get a Shimano Deore triple 9 speed (48/36/26) OR Sugino XD2 Triple (9sp) (46/36/24)
Shifter: Replace left shifter with a Sora Triple 9 speed shifter {BUT road shifters don't work with MTB front derailleurs and you would need to have a road FD that could shift the Deore
SUPER COMPACT DOUBLE: 44/28
I'm now using a Shimano Ultegra SL FD-6603 road derailleur with a 48/36/26 Deore MTB crank. Unlike cyccommute, I didn't have anyproblems setting up the Ultegra FD to work with this crank.
https://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/trouble-with-sti-triples/
Using a Deore FD with your 105 STI levers probably won't work. As others have noted, road levers have a different FD cable pull than MTB levers. A road FD like an Ultegra or Tiagra will work fine with the Deore cranks and chainrings you mention. It won't be quite as crisp-shifting as if you were using a road crank and stock rings, but will work fine. I have this setup on three of my bikes (Ultegra STI levers, Ultegra or Dura Ace FD, and 48-36-24 chainrings) and have no problems with it.
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