Rephrashing the YA Discussion

Rephrashing the YA RASOOLALLAH discussion

sallallahoalihiwasallam

[Ana`am 6:51] And with this Qur’an warn those who fear, that they will be raised towards their Lord in a state when, except Allah, there will be no protector for them nor an intercessor, so that they may be pious.

ayat says "except Allah, there will be no protector" and this warning is for

"those who fear"

so conclusion derived from this is by wahabi influenced ....

Prophet peace be upon him - is excluded here explicitly because except ALLAH excludes every creation ....

this is a logical interpretation when this ayat is read in a flow .........

Another ayat

[Ana`am 6:70] And forsake those who have made their religion a mockery and play, and whom the worldly life has deceived - and advise them with this Qur’an so that a soul may not be seized for what it earns; other than Allah it will not have a protector nor an intercessor; and if it offers every recompense in exchange for itself, it will not be accepted from it; these are the ones who are seized for their own deeds; for them is boiling water to drink and a painful punishment, as a recompense of their disbelief. (The disbelievers will not have any intercessors.)

tafsir [Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs] says this ayat was referring to kuffars

(And forsake those who take their religion) the Jews, Christians, and the Arab polytheists who took the religion of their forefathers (for a pastime) a joke (and a jest) a mockery.....

Wahabi influenced says ok this was for kuffars but the context is asking help other than Allah

so when we ask help from Pious they are except Allah hence this ayat fits and hence it is not legal

Points to be noticed

When kuffars used to seek help from IDOLS this ayat revealed and educated them they are not helping it is only Allah who helps

this part is agreed by both wahabis and sunnis(to be specific barelvis like me)

SO what was happening when a Kafir was asking help from an IDOL

was it that the idol started to move

and talk

and go

and fetch or magically make things appear what was asked for ???

common sense says they would have asked for anything and then when they get those from worldly channel they would have believed THE IDOL helped me ... is it not ?

so the belief was what ever was coming from this CHANNEL is from the PRIMARY SOURCE - i.e IDOL as per them

and if we see the ayat it is also talking in the same lines ...

that whatever you get from whatever CHANNEL the Primary Source is ALLAH

so the Channel is not the CONTEXT HERE but the PRIMARY "SOURCE" is the CONTEXT

Another Point #2

We saw in

ayat 1 [Al-Anam 51]: it was for those who fear

Ayat 2 [Al Anam 6:70]: this was for Kuffars

both says no helper except ALLAH

AND to educate on this point it was said

"with this Qur’an warn those"

" and advise them with this Qur’an "

why was the word QURAN used here ???

lets say if it was said AND WARN THEM there are no helpers

so this ayat would have anyway been referred as quran and since it is Quran is is from ALLAH ...

the message was conveyed .... anyway

WAS THERE A Reason TO MENTION "WARN WITH THIS QURAN"

the answer is Are those 2 ayats ONLY QURAN what about rest of ayats then ...

would it not mean read and understand the ENTIRE BOOK when u understand that THAT is a WARNING ...

so if in quran this was the only mention of help and helpers then the Argument could have been accepted ...

BUT QURAN Explicitly refers to help and

[Maidah 5:55] You do not have any friends except Allah and His Noble Messenger and the believers who establish the prayer and pay the charity, and are bowed down before Allah.

here this QURAN used the world 'your Wali (Protector or Helper)'

so that source which is used to warn also says explicitly that

Noble Messenger peace be upon him

believers are also WALI

AND HIS QURAN which was asked to be used to warn

also educated us saying SEEK WASEELA

O you who Believe! Do your duties to Allah and fear Him seek the means of approach unto him, and strive (with might and main) in His cause so that you may prosper. (Surah Mai’dah verse 35, Surah 5)

notice this is an open ended advice

it does not restrict ONLY ALIVE , ONLY NEAR ...

when we compile all facts together

we come to a conclusion

Allah is the only source of every thing

every other source derives its benifits from ALLAH

we do not say what powers Prophet peace be upon him(and pious down the hierarchy ) has is his CREATED we believe it is GIFTED by ALLAH ..

and when that is the belief ... is that HADIS not better understood that which says i do not fear my ummat of committing shirk !!!...

And usually when this discussion proceeds

one will see a long list of events and proofs which says that seeking waseela of pious is IN FACT recommended .. and why not since it is said in Quran to SEEK waseela

when replying to the logic to counter

what we have seen is

People come to a point where they would argue asking from DEAD is not allowed or asking from Alive is allowed

IN SPITE of the fact that the statement of LAW THEY first produced to prove their point

that THERE IS NO HELPER EXCEPT ALLAH their argument that asking from alive is permissible goes against their own PROOF ...

SO how do they defend this situation of logical contradiction within their minds ??

they must be thinking in the same lines as the SOURCE of all help is ALLAH and help in Alive is just a channel !!!!

but we would never see these people accept this FACT because then automatically they would be agreeing that we can ask HELP from PIOUS

There should be a reason for the Blindness

So the matter is we are giving proofs (Daleel ) to prove a point

by logical reasoning

but SAMAJNA to tumhi ko hai

just like SUN is Daleel of allah but Sun wont say it , its is for us to understand

planets orbiting around is also a Daleel( proof ) , but they wont say anything its for us to understand

Stones to which people worship is also a proof of creator but it wont go against NATURE and say this - IT is for us to Understand

people have spend years to understand GOD from its creations but none of these proofs said anything

BUT yes they do talk and go against nature WHEN YOU ARE THE RIGHT DOOR

the Stones Did speak inspite of being in the GRIP ( HANDS) of kuffar and said the right beliefs and who is the messenger

interestingly : the stone was hidden from the visible sight BUT still the PEBBLES knew the person hidden beyond the FIST when the prophet peace be upon him intended it to know

and finally it also landed at the feet of prophet peace be upon him

is hence called Burhanuddin

what ever intellect you have making you understand is his responsibility

we are only expected to take that little STEP.. to go and seek

thats where SATAN wants to STOP US

lets put a FATWA against going there itself so that understanding becomes more difficult

Hidayat is from allah and when it is intended person will reach his beloved

Qismat main laakh paich hoon sau bal hazar kajj

Yeh sari guthi ik TERI seedhi nazar ki hai

this was all religious but the similar attitude is also named in language

Medical Encyclopedia: says about Delusions

A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue. These irrational beliefs defy normal reasoning, and remain firm even when overwhelming proof is presented to dispute them.