Imamat

SHIA - version or justification of IMAMAT

Soorah Muzamil Ayat No: 15 main likha hai "Tehkeek hum ne tum par ek Rasool SAW bhejha tum par shahid jis tarha hum ne Feroon ke janib ek rasool (hazrat Moosa (A.S))".

Is ayat se saabit hai ke aap SAW Hazrat Moosa ki misaal the. Lihaza Umat-e- Rasool (SAW) ko Umat-e-Moosa se mumasilat hai. Quran se maaloom hota hai ke Umat-e-Moosa ke Imamon ka takarur khud Allah Taala ne kiya hai.

Irshad-e-bari Taala hai "ke bus hum ne Moosa ko kitaab di. aap ko shak nahi hosakta is main aur hum ne kitaab ko bani Israel ke liye hidayat qaraar diya aur bani Israel main hamare hukum se hidayat dene wale Imam hum ne hi banaye hain jub ke Unho ne sabar kiya aur hamari Aayat par yakeen rakhte the.

Soorah e Sajda ayat no 23 aur 24. Umat e Moosa ke Imamon ka taqarur khud khuda ne kiya tha aur un ki shan bhi maloom hogayi. Un ke tamam ehkaamat aur hidayat khuda ke marzi ke mutabik ussi ke amar se hote the aur "khuda ne bani Israel ka ahad aur pemaan liya aur un main 12 Imam muqarar kiye.

Surah e Maida ayat no: 12.

Quran se pata chala ke Imam Allah muqarar karta hai aur huzoor ne Khud farmaya tha ke mere jaana nasheen 12 honge jo ke mere khaandan se honge.

Imamat

73 , 15. Undoubtedly, We sent towards you a Messenger who is a witness over you, as We sent to Firawn a Messenger.

16. But Firawn dis-obeyed the Messenger, then We seized him with a severe seizing.

32.SURAH AL-SAJDA

23. And undoubtedly, We bestowed Book to Musa, you therefore doubt not about meeting him and We made it a guidance for the children of Israel.

24. And We appointed from amongst them some leaders that they guide by Our command, while they themselves endured patiently and they were convinced of Our signs.

{ وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا مُوسَى ٱلْكِتَابَ فَلاَ تَكُن فِي مِرْيَةٍ مِّن لِّقَآئِهِ وَجَعَلْنَاهُ هُدًى لِّبَنِيۤ إِسْرَائِيلَ }

(We verily gave Moses the Scripture) the Torah in one bulk; (so be not ye) O Muhammad (in doubt of his receiving it) of meeting Moses the night you were transported to Jerusalem; (and We appointed it) the Scripture of Moses (a guidance for the Children of Israel) from guidance.

{ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنْهُمْ أَئِمَّةً يَهْدُونَ بِأَمْرِنَا لَمَّا صَبَرُواْ وَكَانُواْ بِآيَاتِنَا يُوقِنُونَ }

(And when they became steadfast) in their faith in and obedience of Me (and believed firmly) believed from their Scripture (in Our revelations) in Muhammad (pbuh) and in the Qur'an, (We appointed from among them) from among the children of Israel (leaders) of goodness (who guided by Our command) who invite people to Our command.

5.SURAH AL-MAIDA

12. And undoubtedly! Allah took convenant from children of Israel. And We raised among them twelve chieftains. And Allah said, 'undoubtedly, I am with you, necessarily if you establish prayer, and pay the poor-due (Zakat) and believe in My Messengers and pay them respect and lend to Allah a goodly loan, undoubtedly, I shall remove your sins and surely shall cause you to enter into the Gardens beneath which flow rivers then after that whoso of you commit infidelity, necessarily, he is strayed away from the right path

Ahle SUnnat Believes in IMAMS as a status of Vilayat but not as Superceeding Prophets ..

they do NOT Exceed prophets ..

Its not that the WORD IMAM is denied , and we say no such word exists. or no such status exist.

what we believe in what has been said to us through Quran and hadis we don't exaggerate the facts . . Imam - means leader.

prophets peace be upon them have been referred by Titles , Like the One wearing a Blanket . (Muzzammil) now this does not mean any one wearing a blanket can claim hes refred to, in this ..

Nabi : by lanuage it means the one who gives the News of unseen

so anyone who is giving news of unseen is Nabi - by language

but when referred as Nabi in QURAN is ISLAMIC refernce of NABI which means PROPHETS , RASOOLS and this status is explained in QURAN .

. SHIAS believe IMAMMAT is a status EQUAL to or Exceeding NABI .

this is what we do not agree to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdOhR73haL0&feature=related

See this , this shias SAys refering to Babul ILM :

"JITNA NABI BULAND Hai Utna ALI Buland hai "- Maazallah equating to our prophet peace be upon him .

this SHIA

he says : "Nabi ke Ali ie ye shaan , Ali ki Vilayaat ka Aylaan nai Kiyaa(in Ghader e Khum) to Nabi ki naboovat baki nai rehti !!!!!!!

itni badi guskatki

see how he insults prophets and our Prophet peace be upon him.. and thinks he has given knowledge of Sea in a jar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E6GwEh-LW8&feature=related

We do not have any such beliefs ... in reference to IMAMAT

Usool-e-Deen vs Furoo-e-Deen

Not a single verse in the Quran says anything even remotely close to “O believers, after the Prophet, there will be twelve Imams chosen by Allah and you should follow them.”

not a single verse in the Quran that shows anything even similar to this.

In fact, you will FIND them produce long Tafseer and circuitious arguments involving certain verses with added meanings to them; but if we ask the Shia to simply read the verse without any insertions, then suddenly they cannot produce even a single verse in the Quran to justify Imamah.

Suffice to say that the Shia sect becomes polemically incapacitated if he is forced to use the Quran and Quran alone.

The Shia sect have stated that Imamah is the fundamental of faith, and so there should thus be many verses in the Quran on this topic. Yet, the “Quran Challenge” only asks to produce even a couple of verses from the Quran, yet even this is not possible. Not a single verse in the Quran mentions the names of their Infallible Imams;

The Shia say that Imamah is one of the Usool-e-Deen, but we see that even the Furoo-e-Deen (the subsidiary and secondary parts of religion) are mentioned much more than Imamah is (which is actually never mentioned). Salat (prayer), the second pillar of Islam,

The Quran is the complete guide for humanity, and yet the Shia are saying that the fundamental core belief (i.e. Imamah) is not in it.

The Quran clearly says that Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) is divinely appointed as the the Messenger of Allah (عز و جل) and that we should follow him. If there was another divinely appointed person we were supposed to follow after him, shouldn’t his name also be mentioned in the Quran?

SO Usool e Deen is ALWAYS mentioned in QURAN

All the Ayats of Quran -

posted above

Talks about Prophets peace be upon him

talks about 12 Khalifa of PAST, why is QURAN silent of Future ? when it is USOOL e DEEN ??

and where did u find them exceeding Prophets peace be upon them and equal to Prophet peace be upon him ?- Nauzubillah

Surah Baqrah

124. And when his Lord tested Ibrahim with certain words then he fulfilled them. Said He "I am to make you leader of the people," submitted he" and from my off springs". Said He, "My covenant does not reach to the unjust".

SHIA View

Is ayat par ghor karen to kafi baten maloom hongi, (if we read this ayat we will know that )

1> k Hazrat Ibrahim (as) nabi thay phir khuda ne unhen azmaya aur jab kamyab hue to imam banaya,

Ibrahim alihissalam was nabi and after test he was made IMAM hence imam as a status is superior to NABI

Ibraheem Alihissalam was Nabi and WHEN he Passed the test HE WAS MADE IMAM - so now u say IMAMAT as a SATATUS like NABUVVAT is existing and Ibraheem Alihissalam here exxceded Nabuvaat and reached IMAMAT... THIS IS THE WAY YOU understand

The Core Foundation of this understanding is the WORD IMAM -

because the WORD IMAM is present , they will not translate this as leader but some Status beyond Naboovat

so then what do we translate here ??

“Fight the leaders (imams) of kufr.” (Quran, 9:12)

“And We made them leaders (imams) who call towards the Fire.” (Quran, 28:41)

here even Kafirs are refered as IMAMS

which says the word IMAM refers to as Leading

now When we say NABI - we dont mean NABI as in language , because as per language it means any one who read unseen new to you.. BUT NABI is some thing which is explained as a Well Defined STATUS

AND from where DO we get this info that here Nabi is not Just NABI but some thing of status of Messenger ??

From QURAN .

Did u see Quran referring to kafirs with this word RASOOL , Ambiya !!!!

Context of Ayat :

The way it was presented was , that Allah is saying That I have awarded you a position of IMAMAT NOW ABOVE THE POSITION OF NABOOVAT

but imamat as superior to Naboovat was never the context of this AYAT

Tafsir Ibn Kathir

This Ayah means, O Muhammad! Remind the idolators and the People of the Scriptures, who pretend to be followers of the religion of Ibrahim, while in reality they do not follow it, while you, O Muhammad, and your followers are the true followers of his religion; remind them of the commands and prohibitions that Allah tested Ibrahim with.

here it says DONT FAKE your CLAIMS , remember he was tested with Commands and passed ..

Now This TEST CASES were not for ALLAH , he knew it all the time ...

It was for us to know his position of Nabovat is given because he deserves it

AND we should learn lesson from his Character

this had no CONEXT of explaining imamat

Nabi was refered to as IMAM (one who leads)

Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs

Allah then mentioned His favour upon Abraham, His close friend, saying: (And when his Lord tried Abraham with some words) He commanded him to fulfil ten traits: five in relation to his head and five to his body, (and he fulfilled them) he complied. It is also said that (And when his Lord tried Abraham with some words) means: with every single word he prayed to Allah, (He said) to him: (Lo! I have appointed you a leader for mankind) a vicegerent that people may emulate you. (He) Abraham (said: And of my offspring) make of my offspring vicegerents that people would emulate? (He) Allah (said: My covenant) with you and My promise to you and the honour and mercy I bestowed upon you (includeth not wrong-doers) from among your offspring; it is also said that this means: My covenant will not include the wrong-doers in the Hereafter but it will include them in this life.

Question : if he was NABI what why is it said that He will be Awarded ..

SO back to basics ...

The Prophets peace be upon them have two conditions

1. The period before their proclamation of Prophet hood ( Naboovat)

2. The period After

So the task or actual WORK of Naboovat would start after declaration , and Declaration is Also done by Allahs Command

Prophets are (masoom) infallible ...

IF A PROPHET BECAME A SINNER , both OPPOSING HIM AND OBEYING HIM WOULD BECOME NECESSARY and THIS IS A CONCENTRATION OF TWO OPPOSITE THINGS

since SHIA / SUNNI Agree to this i will not give any further reference on this ... moving on

IF IMAMS are as what is explained by SHIA theology , following IMAMS LIKE AS WE DO FOR PROPHETS would have been explicitly mentioned in QURAN

This is the AYAT you will see every where posted by SHia beliefs to explain imamat , that Quran tells us to follow

"O You who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those vested with authority among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Apostle, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is better and very good in the end." (4:59)

Here it is said , obey Allah and his Messenger and Those who are of Authority amonst u.

WHO are Authority ?

ur parents , ur Rulers etc , AND as per SHIA theology IMAMS

now further in that same AYAT

that itself is contradicting to the understanding of IMAM equal to prophet peace be upon him - Nauzubaillah

if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Apostle and this is for WHO ??? if you believe in Allah and the Last Day

why are IMAMS missing here ??in the same AYAT ? in the same Context ???

The Ayat holds sense ONLY for general rulers or anyone except Allah and his Rasool peace be upon him .. hence it is said to go back to Allah and his Rasool peacee be upon him

Comming to Answer that issue _ Declare THAT !!!!

In fact, verse 5:67 could not possibly have been revealed in regards to Maula Ali’s nomination, namely because it was directed towards the People of the Book (i.e. Jews and Christians).

[5:66] And if they (the Jews and the Christians) had observed the Torah and the Gospel and that which was revealed to them from their Lord, they would certainly have eaten from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them there are people who are moderate, but many of them are of evil conduct.

[5:67] O Messenger! Proclaim the Message which has been sent down to you from your Lord. If you do not, then you would not have fulfilled and proclaimed His Message. Allah will protect you from these men (who mean mischief). For Allah guides not those who reject Faith.

[5:68] Say: O People of the Book (i.e. the Jews and Christians)! You follow no good till you observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and disbelief; grieve not therefore for the disbelieving people.

So we see that the verse before and after is talking about the People of the Book, and it is in this context that the verse 5:67 was revealed, reassuring the Prophet (Peace be upon him) that he should not fear the Jews or the Christians and that he (Peace be upon him) should clearly deliver the Message of Islam which will be made supreme over Judaism and Christianity

why is the Most important message So encrypted

If he meant by that Amirate and rulership,

he would have been more explicit to Muslim UMMAT in expressing that,

just as he was explicit to us about the Salah, Zakat and Hajj to the House.

He would have said ,

‘Oh people! This is your leader after me.’ The Messenger of Allah gave the best good counsel to the people (i.e. clear in meaning).”

IF as per shia understanding , THE LAST revelation was HINTING to say THAT THING..

and if NOT said nothing is SAID.

Which means THAT THING is not yet said..

and then how can it be that a previous verse which is already SAID and RECORDED be of the same subject or CALIPHATE ??? cause that suspence is yet to be revealed as your understanding..

And you will also find SHIAS giving in the name of Hadis, which would say sime thing like this - when Deen was presented to all in midst of MAULA ALI it was said whoever will Accept first ISLAM will be my KHALIFA or VASEE

which again contradicts this ayat even from shia prespective - KEEP THIS In mind and read further ******

and why was this not said in THE LAST SEREMON?

why were people not explicity told about CALIPHATE AND NAMES???

Sure Baqra, Sure yusuf narrates the STORY of Musa alihissalam and Yusuf Alihissalam in LENGTH and THAT THING "WO WALI BAAT " which as per your understnding is the MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL REVELATION is in HINTS ???

NOw Comming to Dates

The Ayat of Completion of Deen was revealed on 9th

Then Last Sermon ....

which had ...

O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me direcly. BE MY WITNESS O ALLAH THAT I HAVE CONVEYED YOUR MESSAGE TO YOUR PEOPLE."

NOW here it is said Message is Conveyed also Addressed to people to be witness ...

NOW if the MOST IMPORTANT revelation was YET to be DONE !!!! WHY Would the completion of Deens Ayat be revealed

Why would it be said Deen is passed and be witness ??

WHY IS NO DECLARATION OF KHILAFAT MADE HERE .. INSPITE of the fact that Shias believe even IMAMS have Ilmae gaib and knows when Qayamat will occur

Why did NABI SKIP, why did ALLAH SKIP - even wahabis dont object on Ilme Gaib of ALLAH

Many AYATS are revealed more than once , BUT not AYATS that has a time BOUND

I have completed DEEN TODAY -- on 9th

then again I HAVE COmpleted DEEN TOday - on 18th !!!!! (as per shia ) how can allah be contradictory in his statements

saying Do good deeds saying 100 times makes sense - that its stressed

not those having time aspect in it .

NOW YOU SAY TO ME , the entire revelation of Quran, Declaration of Allahs Tauheed ,Declaration of Risalat. every thing goes vain IF Maula alis Chaliphate is not ANNOUNCED !!!, HOW can caliphate be important that Tauheed and Risalat..

U take caliphate and master in either case THIS APPROACH PROVES THAT Caliphate and , Master these things are more important than Tauheed and Risalaat.

now if u say Yes one will be kafir if he denies Maula Ali as Kafir ..

Then the answer to that is YES we Agree on that.

BUT even if we dont Accept the prophet hood of approximately 1 lac 24 thousand or 2lac 24 thousand prophets even then we become kafir..

now we dont even know their names ..

and there are so many ways a person can HOP the boundaries of ISLAM , why wud this revelation stress only on caliphate and that too in such an indirect way..

SEE YOURSELF , HOW CLEAR YOU ARE AND ALL SHIA SCHOLARS ARE IN CLAIMING CALIPHATE , WHY WAS PROPHET PEACE BE UPON HIM not so explicit....

infact read from 5:59 - 5:86 its talking about jews and Christians

Ghadir e Khum question

Farewell Sermon was in Mecca during his last

Hajj. This was in front of the great majority of the Muslims, who had come from all of the various cities to do Hajj.

who were present During Hajj?

people from Mecca , Medinah, Taif, Siriya, Yeman , Kufa etc. a BIG group of Muslims..

where is Ghadir e KHUM:

Ghadir Khumm is located between Mecca and Medinah, near the city of Al-Juhfah, an Oasis

who were present at Ghadir e KHUM

It was only the group that lived in cities in the North of the Arabian Peninsula that passed by Ghadir Khumm. This would consist of only those who were heading towards Medinah and the minority of Muslims that lived in places such as Syria

who were not present

A great number of the Muslims were not present including those living in Mecca, Taif, Yemen, etc. After the Hajj, the Meccans stayed behind in Mecca, the people of Taif went back to Taif, the people of Kufa went back to Kufa, the people of Yemen went back to Yemen, etc. Only the group going to Medinah (or passing through/near it) accompanied the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) to Ghadir Khumm.

for further Geography go to Google Earth.

SHIA : WHY no Successor was appointed

rasool appoint successors every time in his absense

when he left ... he appoint abu lubabah,ibn arfatah

,ibn om maktoom ,abu tharr ,numaila ,ibn al adhbat ,abu raham ,Ali ,abu dujanah Raziallhutalaajmaeen

yet when he left his nation forever ,he did not leave a document of succession ????

VERY interesting , and THANKS that you yourself posted this .. if i would have said this you might said SUNNI hadis..

SO why did prophet peace be upon him NOT ALWAYS LEAVE MAULA ALI as successor if ONLY he had to be Successor ?

HE could have asked him to STOP or ABANDON what ever he was doing and take charge of Succession , IF THAT WAS SO IMPORTANT as said by SHIAS..

or even while leaving someone else ,he Should have said its ok for now but After me MAke MAula ali Successor only - but nothing of this sort happened

IF he Would have Done this people would have known or there could be a scope of Argument that SInce Maula ali was always his Successor SO hence forth he SHOULD be ..

it means PROPHET peace be upon him HIMSELF selected people other than Maula Ali Raziallhutalanhu as Successors 8 out of 9 times .

WHY did Prophet Peace be upon him HIMSELF Appoint Abubakar Sidique Raziallhutalaanhu for IMAMAT during his last days ??

he asked people to ask him to LEAD him. he could have asked people to get MAula ali and if not available the source alternate - AGAIN NOTHING OF THIS SORT ALso happened Siddique Akbar Raziallhutalaanhu was appoointed.

infact this logic itself goes against SHIAs concept of khilafat

Why did he not Leave Successor.. answer :

8 Different names which you mentioned also answers this ..

if Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had appointed the caliph, no one would have had the courage to object to any matter relating to his caliphate and his administration, if the appointment was made by Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) it would seem as if they were questioning his wisdom.

when farooque Azam raziallhutalanhu was question for his long robe During his caliphate he said it was his son who had gifted him his part of cloth

Why did the occasion arise for defence?

Because the appointment of caliph was made by the Ummah and the Ummah had taken the oath of allegiance and therefore had the right to question whom they had chosen.

This was the far sighted philosophy, wisdom and intelligence of Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wasallam). He left the Ummah in a condition that whoever becomes caliph, has to be answerable to the Ummah.

The claimant is silent, he says nothing, but the witness is so active that he is saying time and again that Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had appointed

Hadhrat Ali (radhiyAllaahu anhu) as his caliph. This does not appeal to wisdom and intelligence.

Pen and Paper hadis

The Shias beliefs say that the purpose of requesting pen and paper was to dictate Ali (radhiyAllaahu anhu's) caliphate.

If, the purpose was to dictate Ali (radhiyAllaahu anhu's) caliphate, then they should at least admit that there was no declaration made at Gadeer-I-Khum concerning caliphate, due to which now the necessity of bequeath arose.

At the time of the Treaty of Hudaibia, Rasulullaah (SallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) was the Head and Hadhrat Ali (radhiyAllaahu anhu) was his (SallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) Secretary.

Who had written the treaty?

Hadhrat Ali (radhiyAllaahu anhu) was in charge of the Writing Department and related matters, (i.e. pen, paper, etc.).

IF an important declaration was Stopped as naratted by SHIA scholars why was MAULA ALI quiet??

why was he quiet for 24 Long years on this ?? (from 1st cliphate to 4th 24 years had passed )

It is not that he did not FIGHT for what he percieved to be RIGHT, u know those 2 battles

AND then why did IMAM hussain not keep quiet? he did fight with YAZID ...

As per Sunni view

Imam Jafar (radhiyAllaahu anhu) narrates that Hadhrat Ali said, "Rasulullaah (SallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) had ordered me to come to him with paper so that he Rasulullaah (SallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) might write something thereon, but I did not do so, as I was afraid that he (SallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) might not take his (SallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) last breath in my absence and as such I did not go to bring the pen and paper".

(Musnad Ahmad, V-1, p195)

YE MOHABBAT thi maula ali ki, aisae time ko Ashiquee rasool ja hi na saktaa . HUM Maula lai ko is baat pae koi comment nai karte .. ye to unka ISQUE RASOOL THA..