Comparision of SHIA beliefs in the light of fundamentals

I had asked this question in a general Islamic forum

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Can this Happen ?

I read this in Quran

[Baqarah 2:23] And if you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down upon Our distinguished bondman (Prophet Mohammed - peace and blessings be upon him), bring forth a single surah (chapter) equal to it; and call upon all your supporters, other than Allah, if you are truthful.

[Baqarah 2:24] And if you are unable to bring forth (one chapter) - and We declare that you can never bring one - then fear the fire (of hell), the fuel of which is men and stones; kept ready for the disbelievers.

the ayat was revealed then

That it will not happen that Any one can make Likes of it

may be Allah give BRAINS now or later to some one to MAKE it possible ?

I had asked is it possible that from Allah will this can happen , which goes against his revelation

Question 2 : TO BE ANSWERED

A Revelation - Abu Lahab

Prophet Muhammad [Sallallahoalihiwasallam] had an uncle by the name of Abu Lahab. This man hated Islam to such an extent that he used to follow the Prophet around in order to discredit him.

If Abu Lahab saw the Prophet [Sallallahoalihiwasallam] speaking to a stranger, he would wait until they parted and the would go to the stranger and ask him, "What did he tell you? Did he say, 'Black'? Well, it's white.

Did he say 'morning'? Well, it's night." He faithfully said the exact opposite of whatever he heard Muhammad [Sallallahoalihiwasallam] and the Muslims say.

However, about ten years before Abu Lahab died, a little chapter in the Quran (Surah al-Lahab, 111) was revealed about him.

It distinctly stated that he would go to the fire (i.e., Hell). In other words, it affirmed that he would never become a Muslim and would therefore be condemned forever.

SO Quran was revealed saying HE WILL GO TO HELL

now keep in mind Umer e farooque raziallhutal anhu was also AGAINST prophet peace be upon him - so much that he took a sword in his HAND and left out to Kill prophet peace be upon him .. but eventually converted EVEN in THAT RAGE of ANGER !!!

SO Abu LAHAB died a KAFIR - was it a Co incidence ?

because if other people who were UP against prophet peace be upon him - fought against him in battles etc also Converted

Statstically - based on that there were chances that even abu Lahab could convert in 10 Years !!!

after all Miracles like never before were also shown like moon spliting , stones reding Qalima etc ...were there NOT HIGH Chances ?

answer BOTH first and 2nd question with reasoning not with Strength of belief

Answers received

well, believe in Allah. always say INSHALLAH if u doubt on something. many miracles happened in our Prophets time to prove that there is no god but ALLAH.

the last n the best book sent to us is QURAN. recite it, learn it, understand it.

Jazakallah.

from shia side :

1. Challenge of Quran is for all times and not just that time alone

2. No Abu Lahab couldnt as Quran affirmed it before as well. And his enmity was to an extent that Allah confirmed his hell spot directly in Quran with name

Conclusion :

Alhamdulillah same way we believe

BASHARAT

Allah knows what is present , past and future ... apart from knowing capacity of each creation

so when it was said that it will not happen in future .... this was because future till infinity is known to ALLAH

and otherwise is not possible as stated in question - BECAUSE if it does happen it would mean future was not known - WHICH WOULD GO Against the understanding of ALLAH

COINCIDENCE exists only for lack of knowledge and co creator

if i make some thing and FROM other SOURCE both when compared and are face to face

THEN I REALIZE "OH these both are same "

there is a lot of differnce between an Analyst and ALLAH. Analyst would give highest probability based on existing facts

ALLAH KNOWS FUTURE so taking chances does not apply to Allah as what is said is CERTAIN to happen.

A few Incidents to stress on this point :

1. Few people(around 10 to 20) had converted to ISLAM , Once prophet peace came and asked keys to the KEEPER OF KEYS [ Usman Ibne Talha ] he denied in a way to which he was said by prophet peace be upon him " there will be a time when my RAB will give me the keys and i will give it to whom i want "

then he lived in mecca then madina then fathe mecca now came the time when he[ Usman Ibne Talha ] was called , people found him and presented him he was with his head bowed down took the keys from him, and said LIFT you face , so he did , TAKE these keep it with you and who ever will take from you will be Zaalim. and TILL date the keys are with the same family .

2. It was a time of Hijrat(migration to Madina Sharif) when Kuffars had Announced the price of 100 SURKH CAMELS . anyone who finds prophet peace be upon him will get this .

the people specialist of those times were such that looking at foot prints they would recognize the person .

after proceeding further from Gaar e Saur , one such finder did reach Suraqa ibne Malik , after listening to the tap of horses feet he said IS it SURAQA ? prophet peace be upon him said BAAZ AA JA ,

but 100 camels were in his head he still came forward

Said EARTH Catch Suraqa

earth trapped his feet - he said ok i will stop

EARTH Leave Suraqa . again he leaped

this happened a few times and he understood well he might be buried in ground if he does not stop , he said ok you go i will not even send someone in this direction

Prophet peace be upon him said DID you come to arrest me !! i see the KANGAN (Bangles ) of Kisra in your hands .

[a basharat saying Muslims will capture kais o kisra and the king will be captured ornaments from his hands will be taken and you will be wearing it - this is the detail of that]

[note this basaharat was said After showing who is actually having powers to arrest

it was said IRAN would be captured And also that he would be alive till that date untill the bangles of kaisar not reach suraqa]

now time passed

After Abu bakar siidque raziallhutalanhu

then Umer e Farooque Raziallhutalanhu that time Kair o Kisra was captured and this incident took place the bangles were send to Umer e Farooque - when he saw these kangans bangles , he said go and search for suraqa he was called and farooque azam put those Bangles on his HANDS ...

WO ZABAN JISKO SAB KUNN KUNJI KAHEN US KI NAAFIZ HUKOOMAT PAE LAKHOON SALAM

MAIN POINT is :

BASHARAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE when it would change or not happen the very purpose of basharat is Defeated and to reveal that as quran and it does not happen - it makes it sound further ridiculous !!!

if this happens what would be a difference between I saying he will die a Muslim and go to Jannat

and Allah saying ?

Allah said

Sure Tauba : this is Madni ayat

100. And the first and foremost emigrants and helpers and those who followed them with good. Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Allah and for them, He has prepared gardens under which rivers flow. This is the great success.

101. And some villagers around you are hypocrites and some of the dwellers of Madina too, hypocrisy has become their habit. You know them not. We know them. We will soon torment them twice. Then they will be resumed to a great torment.

MUHAJEREENS and ANSAARS are Jannati -

We will not go and look into History books to see if they(SAHABI specially KHULFA E RASHEDEEN AND Hazrat Amir e Maviya raziallhutalanhu ) committed any ACT which made them DISBELIEVERS maazallah -- because it goes against the BASHARAT of them being JANNATI

Point to note : it was not said they are MASOOM

it is said they are Jannati .. with NO restrictions on Which muhajir

but the same GENERAL BASHARAT is not for us here ALLAH did put restriction - and those who followed them with good

When seas parted...

with the STOKE of Moses Alihissalaam's ASA seas gave way 12 channels were created in water

people were hesitating to enter, Jibraeel Alihissalam came in Human form on Horse and lead them through those channels

and when they aslo saw the Armies of Feron comming behind , and warned Musa alihissalam , He replied ALLAH IS WITH ME he did not say Allah is with US.-

there was a miscrent in the group , how could a NABI say such erroneous statement!!!

later when Musa Alihissalam went to take the commandments , one miscrent who was amonst those said hes gone on mountains to talk to his GOD and here is your GOD who is talking to you, the GOLD calf he made could talk !!!!

on his return he was asked to confess why and what he did .

he said : Kala bassurtu bi malam yabsurtu bhe I saw that which nobody saw

I took the mud from the spot below the hooves of that rasools horse, i cud see greenery where ever that horse would step. so i put that mud and put it in the MOUTH of the CALF.

he could have used it as khake shifaa , it was HIS NAFS which lead him to what he did.

WHAT was the Speciality of THAT HORSE???

that , it was Angel Gabreels horse , it has link (nisbat) to one who is close to Allah

and what would be the SATUS those who are known by no other Attributes (Hajj, roza, zakat,jung, ilm inspite of having all of it ) BUT as Companions of Prophet .