06B Phelps of Albemarle Co, VA.

Also visit the related Phelps YDNA Project here.  If you are a tested descendant of this line or have information to share you should join the private google group Thomas Phelps of Albemarle, VA d 1751

YDNA testing has confirmed that this line had a common ancestor with the other major Phelps lines in the 06 section although the common ancestor could be as far back as 1500.   

 

As evidenced by the yellow highlighting in the provided lineages below, there are significant unresolved genealogical issues in some lineages.  After extensive SNP testing in 2015-2016 it became evident the Phelps from this area should be divided into those with and without  SNP A6108.  (See this page for SNPs used in genealogy.)  This SNP division was considered logical after expensive SNP testing by Phelps members at FTDNA with analysis at Yfull.com and ISOGG. See the COMMENT section on these Phelps for more information.  As of 1/2018 these men have been integrated based on the available  yDNA testing results and well researched genealogies.

Topics on this page:

Research compiled in 2016

INTRODUCTION   Phelps Properties in NE Albemarle, Bent & Wreck Island Creeks 1744- 1853 (with some earlier)  By D Phelps

Key arguments provided by JC Rogers to define James, son of William, d. 1749  By D Phelps

Chronology of Appomattox County, VA beginning with Henrico Co , showing locations of Wreck Island Creek, Bent (Bridle) Creek and the northeastern area. By D Phelps

Virginia Patents and property records of John of Bedford and the line of Thomas of Albemarle  By JC Rogers

Buckingham Co. Personal Property Tax Lists Phelps 1782 to 1844  By JC Rogers

Census Buckham,campbell, appomat,amherst, nelson counties  By JC Rogers

1800s Marriages Amherst, Buckingham,Nelson co  By JC Rogers

 

James and William Phelps of Albemarle 1756 chancery case   tiff file

James and William Phelps of Albemarle 1762 chancery cases showing their ages.  PDF

 

Maps showing the property history of James Phelps who moved to Elbert Co, GA by D Phelps; information by JC Rogers

 

Descendants of Thomas Phelps d 1751, Albemarle, VA

Based on past genealogical research, Thomas d 1751 had three sons: 

Comment on this line's SNPs and STRS

The importance of  SNP A6108 and STR markers DYS449 and DYS439

Project admin's opinion 3/12/2016:  Look at the summary table of the traditional STR ydna here .   First, SNPs are far more reliable than traditional STR markers (shown on the FTDNA YDNA test) and are now being used for genealogy.  The 35 in STR DYS449 is now believed to be a mutation for a branch of the Thomas Felps of Md line.   34 is seen in the other Phelps of these highly related Phelps lines.     STR DYS439=12 is seen in most all the Phelps lines, yet 13 is seen in the Albemarle Phelps who are positive for SNP A6108 and whose genealogy continues to be a challenge.   

A6108 is now shown on the FTDNA tree, under Z31501 (under M44).

8/2016  The two kits below, H1129 and  84867 (not responding) are now not considered to have ydna that would confirm a merger of their lineages.- mainly due to 84867 not having the very old SNP of the line of  H1129.  Thus there is no second confirming test needed to conclude the accuracy of either lineage.  There are two yDNA reasons for this mismatch:  their DYS439 is not the same but that alone would not be proof of a difference.  Of significant concern is kit 84867 does not have either of the 3 lineage indicator snps of H1129 - which date from the present back 500 years. The 3 SNPs were found at Yfull.com after comparisons of 6 Big Ydna tests.  Interestingly both are negative for the newly found family SNP branch A6108, which is a subgroup of Z31503, which all these Phelps have.  A6108 SNP is found in other tested descendants of the Albemarle county area.    

3/10/2017  observations

A final test on kit 84867, the other descendant of Shadrack of KY, is complete.  This resulted in being negative for any Felps of Baltimore co.  Previous tests were negative for both the James of Caswell or the other Shadrack descendant kit H1129.   Both these kits descend from Shadrack, son of John Sr, assumed to be from Albemarle co, VA

Unless we find a new descendant test of the Shadrack of KY we may well have to conclude that both the descendant genealogies are suspect.  DNA tests for Kits H1129 and 87867 do not support one another, nor does either have the SNP A6108 found in all those tested  from Albemarle (including a Pond).   Yet ALL have the needed M44 SNP which narrows the Phelps lines from other major lines.  Keep in mind that the big y test of kit H1129 gave us 3 SNPs going back around 500 years, possible not as far back but certainly far back enough to include Thomas Phelps SR  d 1751.

 

Whether there was an Albemarle origin or not, we can say that one of the two genealogies coming from John Phelps Sr  and his son Shadrack of KY, H1129 and 87867, are invalid- or there was a NPE somewhere.

 

Whichever genealogy may be valid, neither  complies with the tested men of Albemarle Co (who have A6108).   There are several alternatives for resolution:

1..  If one of the two genealogies are valid and goes back to Albemarle, it requires 1) that the tested Albemarle men with A6108 are the result of a A6108 mutation in William Phelps, brother to John and Thomas of Albemarle.  This is possible and may well be correct.  or 2) the assumed tested descendant of William is not valid.

2.  The John Phelps of KY  (father to Shadrack) was not the John of ALbemarle.  (as of 6/2017 from yDNA testing, we know he is not the John of Bedford Co, VA, nor was he the John of Halifax Co, VA)

There may be more alternatives, but we have a great mystery that will remain without further testing on the KY descendants

.

1/2018 Revised approach:  Applying SNPs and STRs to the reported genealogy where possible

As stated in option 1 above, one key alternative is to conclude that the A6108 mutation occured in William d. 1749, son of Thomas Phelps d. 1751.  Due to the perplexing ydna test results with no more scheduled, and having well researched genealogies, the project administrator has chosen to show a reported genealogy tree below where ydna either supports it, or does not directly dispute it.  Doing that resulted in two occasions of apparent back mutation of DYS449 frin 13 to 12, very unlikely but possible.  It also required some private SNP mutations to occur more recently than previously suggested.

Merged Lineages of this line.

Green = Triangulated common ancestor

Yellow = some doubt or insufficient data

Lineages displayed here were provided by individual yDNA tested kit members, or their representatives, who are solely responsible for providing any ethical or copyright credits..      A tree diagram is available in the files listed at this page end.  STR markers are viewable here.  SNP details are vieable here.  

1.   Thomas Phelps, Sr. b: Abt. 1700 in unknownd:  d. Bet. 1751 - 1754 in Albemarle Co., Virginia+  M. Elizabeth ( Patteson). Deduced not to have SNP A6108

        2.  Thomas Phelps Jr. 1730-1797   (see note of"note by B. Emery" below) In KY in 1774   (See note following by Ed and Doug Phelps), d. March 1797, Shepardsville, Bullitt Co, KY  (Will available)  As of 12/2017 no descendants have been tested IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO TEST THIS LINE IN ORDER TO RESOLVE EXTENSIVE CONFLICTS BETWEEN YDNA AND REPORTED GENEALOGY

        |       3.   George Phelps  (older)  1757-1803  at Fort Boonesville about 1775    Went back to Madison Co to re-establish claim to 1400 acres granted by Henderson Co of NC.

        |        |        4.  Anthony Phelps (1792 - 1870). 1870 census KY  (*note1 )   ( From here up to Thomas Sr is reported by B Renner “The Phelps Family of Virginia and Kentucky and Allied Families”)     |

         |       3.  Anthony Phelps 111763-1859  to Nelson Co, KY,  which became Bullitt CO.  Lands granted by State of VA.   “The Phelps Family of Virginia and Kentucky and Allied Families” by Nancy Roy of La Mesa,

         |              4.  Liberty Phelps (1801 - 1861)

         |                   5.   Andrew Liberty Phelps (1825 - 1885)

         |                          6.  Survilla Emma Phelps (1858 - 1887)

         |           Above reported by B Renner using “The Phelps Family of Virginia and Kentucky and Allied Families” by Nancy Roy of La Mesa, CA,on page 12: Daniel Boone comment)

        2.   William Phelps, b. circa 1718, d. 1749 Albemarle Co. Va. (present Buckingham Co, VA) )  Descendants have SNP A6108, so the mutation may have been here.

         |     {3}   Unknown lineage to Kit 227796 with SNP A6108.  See below under Other A6108 Phelps

         |     {3}   Unknown lineage to Kit B6124 &362816 with SNP A6108 See below under Other A6108 Phelps

         |     {3}   Unknown lineage to Ponds  with SNP A6108  See the Pond page here

       |     3.   James Phelps  b. circa 1735 d. after 1800    (moved to  Elbert Co. Ga. from Campbell Co. Va 1797-1800 ) Seen first and last  with wife in 1820 Elbert Co census ; m. Elizabeth   SEE NOTE on dna testing     Descendants have SNP A6108, so the mutation may have been here.

         |       |      4.    James Phelps of Wreck Island     b. circa 1774 d. late 1840's (1847 I  think)  Hypothesis  see JC Rogers submission- scroll down this page

         |       |       |      The next generation is a hypothesis since county source records were burned                            

         |       |       |      5.  James Phelps of Albemarle Co, VA  ,b. abt 1770 to1804,  m.  Betty  One hypothesis is that this is James of Wreck Island.

         |       |       |            6.  Charles Nelson Phelps b. abt 1821 VA d. 1887 Buckingham Co.  VA, m. Catherine

         |       |       |                     Descendant kit 61678 ,   Has 13 at DYS439  Has 34  at DYS449   Positive for SNP A6108 at YSEQ     Neg for the 4 Pond snps at FTDNA

         |       |       |             For research on this line view this paper.

         |       |      4.   Thomas Phelps, Sr  b. abt 1775 in Virginia    (see 1850 &60 Elbert Co, GA census records)  likely from Wreck Island Creek, Buckingham Co, Va.    m. Christian Staples    See the file The Family of Thomas Phelps Jr. and Christian Staples GA.at the end of this page.   For research material on this line, see  Elbert County Georgia info compiled by Mark in the downloadable file listed at the end of this page

         |       |            5.  John Wofford Phelps b. Jan. 23, 1821 Elbert Co. d. March 31, 1881, Elbert Co., m. Susan A. Moon

         |       |                  6.  John Wofford Phelps Jr, b. 1862,  Elbert, Georgia

         |       |                      7.  John Wofford Phelps, b. 5 Sep 1891, Elbert Co., Ga .   d 28 Feb 1984

         |       |                              Descendant kit 218460  Has 13 at DYS439  Has 34  at DYS449   positive for SNP A6108at YSEQ    Negative for the 4 Pond snps which also is  positive for A6108

         |       ||                                NOTE on dna teting :  This Elbert Co, GA paper trail, researched by Mark Phelps & Martha Oglesby (her line) indicates a  move from the area of descendants of  William Phelps d. 1749 , Albemarle Co. VA This line was tested by one kit but has a Positive A6108, unlike the patriarch Thomas d. 1751.  Research on this line is ongoing  (7/17/2016)   IMPORTANT Additional research on this move can be found here and here

         |       |

         |       3. William Phelps d. bef 1770 / d. bet 1762-1765 likely, no descendants    Buckingham Co. Va.)    (present Appomattox Co, VA),  m. ?  See the below notes by Brenda Emery       

2015 Note by B. Emory: There is a chancery case filed in 1770 by James (son of William died 1749) over the lands left to him and his brother William jr. I am attaching the key page and the entire suit can be found here:  In that suit James states that his brother William has departed this life leaving him sole devisee and heir to the lands. This is important because in his father William (died 1749) will it states  I give and bequeath to my loving Father Thomas Phelps and to my loving brother Thomas Phelps Jr., all the rest and residue of my estate of what nature and kind soever in trust neverthless to be equally divided by them between my two sons James Phelps and William Phelps and by their heirs forever and for no other intent or purpose whatever and do ordain and appoint my said Father and Brother to be executors of this my last will and do by these presents revoke all other wills by me heretofore made.  The words by their heirs forever is important because if William Jr left heirs they would have been entitled to their fathers portion of those lands.

NOTE on dna teting :  This Elbert Co, GA paper trail, researched by Mark Phelps & Martha Oglesby (her line) indicates a  move from the area of descendants of William Phelps d. 1749 , Albemarle Co. VA This line was tested by one kit but has a Positive A6108, unlike the patriarch Thomas d. 1751.  Research on this line is ongoing  (7/17/2016)   Additional research on this move can be found here and here

From  Phelps Researcher, Martha Oglesby---All I have is 3 Elbert county Deed books covering the deeds from 1791 to 1835. This is the first Phelps mentioned in these books. Deed Book B 1793 - 1795 page 42  9 Oct 1795 Richard Coulter to William Phelps both of Elbert Co  100 acres on Doves Creek.

       2.   John Phelps, Sr. b: Abt. 1730 in Henrico or Goochland County, Virginia d: 07 Aug 1798 in Madison Co. Ky. M. Katherine LEGRANDE   (In Ky by 1775 see Ed Phelps note below   “The Phelps Family of Virginia and Kentucky and Allied Families”, page 103-4   As of 12/2017 no descendants found with SNP A6108

           3. John Phelps Jr   b ca 1760  Appear in the 1782, 1783??, 1784, 1785, 1805 Buckingham Co. Personal Property Tax Lists Phelps 1782 to 1844  By JC Rogers  Thought to be in the no marriage records in KY, probabliy married before coming to KY

          3  Cary Phelps  b probably 1762   Appear in the 1782,1783, 1785 Buckingham Co. Personal Property Tax Lists Phelps 1782 to 1844  By JC Rogerss    no marriage records in KY, probabliy married before coming to KY

               3. Shadrach PHELPS  b: 03 Feb 1775 in Albemarle Co., VA d: 24 Dec 1855 in Russell Co., Kentucky. m. Celia (Seley) STAPP 08 Dec 1796 in Madison Co., Kentucky. (per Ministers returns)  “The Phelps Family of Virginia and Kentucky and Allied Families” page103-4    Also see  Additions and Corrections. H1129: I think that Shadrack (supposedly John M's Father) may have lived in NC as well before he acquired the land in Russell Co KY. His wife Celia Stapp was born on 29 October 1772 in NC.    D Phelps: SEE a Madison Co, ky? NC? 1775  deed book for Shadrack and D. Boone

                      4. William P.   (Patterson) Phelps b: 27 Jun 1813 in Adair Co. KY (now Russel Co) d 10 Apr 1891 Russell Co., KY m .Martha KARNES See web site of for evidence. See Admin Bond of KY naming William P Phelps as admin for Shadrack PHelps (John M PHelps surityi)

                      |    5. William H. Phelps b: Aug 1850 in Russell Co., KY. d: 1902 in Russell Co., KY m. Sarah Jane REXROAT

                      |           6. Ethel Patterson PHELPS b: 23 Aug 1892 in Russell Co., Kentucky. d: 21 Sep 1968 in Russell Co., Kentucky. m .Lera Emily DEENER

                      |            Descendant Kit 84867   DYS439=13   DYS19=15  Tested at FTDNA, no YFULL analysis   Negative A6108     A6108-, A6110-, A6111-, A6112-, BY4136-, A10162-  Tested negative for the 3 novel snps of H1129 below;  Negative for the indicator snps of the lines of James of Caswell and Thomas Felps of Baltimore co, Md.l    11/2019: THIS PERSON'S ("MARILYN')  EMAIL ADDRESS IS INVALID AND HAS BEEN UNRESPONSIVE . LIKELY DECEASED.  SHE WAS EXTREMELY INVOLVED WITH THIS LINE AND SUBMITTED THIS KIT AND LINEAGE. 

             MEMBER H1129 BELOW AGREES WITH THE ABOVE GENEALOGY WITH NEGATIVE SNP A6108 , BUT  LACKS 3 MATCHING SNPS THAT WOULD BE EXPECTED TO CONFIRM THE GENEALOGY TO SHADRACK.   

                      4.  John M. Phelps b 1802, Adair Co, KY (now Russel Co., KY )  KY Mort Schedule b. abt 1803 KY,   d. 2/1880 Russel co   Kit H1129:  John N was almost 50 before he started his Family in Russel Springs KY, which is quite old for the time. He was with his parents, Shadrack and Celia. My ggFather John Quincy wasn't born until John M was 56 so, I have some long generations in my line. Also, My gFather was about 40 when my Dad was born. All the census reports show John M born in KY but, the death cert of John Q. Filled out by my gFather (MD Sr.) said John M. was born in NC!  I think Shadrack's wife Celia Stapp Family was prevalent in NC.   John M Phelps  provided surety for Shadrack's will.

                             5.  John Quincy PHELPS b: 21 Mar 1859 in Russell County, KY. d: 23 Jun 1919 in Russell Co., KY

                                   6.   Marcus D. Phelps  b.  13 Dec 1882 in Russell, Kentucky,  d. 14 Oct 1971 in Jamestown, Russell, Kentucky

                                        Grandson Descendant Kits 72420 AND H1129   DYS439=12  DYS19=16   (Kit H1129 Yfull/Bigy Test    Negative A6108   H1129 has 3 Novel snps,:A6110,1,2 . )

                                     Grandson Descendant Kit 920363 DYS439=13  DYS19=16  No SNP testing.

  

                  Evidence for the above kits is said to be in two major reports:    Phelps Family of Kentucky by Irene & M.D. Phelps here

                   and  “The Phelps Family of Virginia and Kentucky and Allied Families”

Additional information on John and Thomas Phelps (sons of Thomas d. 1751) in Kentucky

Ed Phelps note:  My records indicate that John Phelps was indeed in KY County, VA by 1775  [SIC Fort Boonesborough Madison County, Kentucky].  Pioneers at Fort Boonesborough Madison County, Kentucky 1775  Partial list of Boonesborough settlers from Anne Crabb, Pioneer Kentucky and Fort Boonesborough researcher, Draper Manuscripts. HENDERSON, Col. Richard (12) BOONE, Col. Daniel (12)  BOONE, Squire (12)  PHELPS, John (12)       

 D Phelps comment:  Also other Phelps are named including Thomas Phelps (1,2,10,12) and a William Phillips (2)   And Anthony, George, Guy, Joshua, Josiah, Lucy  Also see: Boonesborough Chapter Daughters of American Revolution showing these names.  “In April of 1775  Daniel Boone and a group of about 30 others arrived at the southern bank of the Kentucky River where they began building a fort that would become Fort Boonesborough.”    Guy Phelps (b. 1774 VA) was the name of Thomas Phelps Jr's son

The Buckingham Property tax list shows John and John Jr in 1782, 1783 and 1784.  John is shown in 1785.  Never again.

 JC Roberts and K Mann report:   10/2/1786 DB 2 pg 194/5 Fluvanna Co. VA :  John and Mary Phelps Buckingham Co to Robert Blanks of Goochland  

9a Island in Fluvanna being at Phelps' Falls for 30 lbs current money of VA    Wit. Thomas Hardwick, William Salle, Johnson Strong?, P. Gurrant, Isaac Salley

Katherine is alternately called Mary Katherine.   Long-time Researcher Marilyn Phelps wrote at her web site “we believe John went back to VA for his family about 1880 (sic) and brought them back to the Fort.

                  

Kit 67919, William Phelps d. 1811 thought to have been a descendant of the Phelps in Albemarle, has been moved to the Phelps related to the JKames of Caswell Phelps due to sharing their related SNPs

 Other Phelps Descendants of Albemarle with SNP A6108 - including a kit with a potential evidence of an Irish origin. 

All kits below are positive for SNP A6108.  It includes several ancestors which continue to be researched, thus the yellow highlights. 

These lines were usually thought to be from Albemarle Co, Va, but SNP testing questions that assumption.  Please review the Phelps of Albemarle Co, VA page for more information.\

The next three kits have been Big Y tested, with analysis by Yfull.com   Their private lineage snps do not match but they are positive for A6108

As of 1/2018 they are indicated as merged in the main line above.  See William above.

Kit 227796 has SNP A6108 and has a common ancestor with others on this page having the SNP A6108.  At present no genealogical connection is known to make that connection.   See the summary ydna table. 

   1.    Alexander Phelps b. c. 1815  Walker's Ford  ( Wreck Island Creek area.)   d. 1860  Lived in Amherst Co, Va;  1870 in Nelson Co, Va.  ; 1880 in Scottsville, Albemarle Co, Va

          2.  Thomas Jefferson Phelps, born about 1842- either Amherst or Appomattox, Va. Died 4/5/1899 in Appomattox. Married Elizabeth F. Harris.

          |        3.   Thomas Talmadge Phelps, born 1/25/1887 in Appomattox, Va. Died 3/7/1937 in Appomattox, Va. Married Florine Vivian Moore.

          |              4.    Harry Burge Phelps, born 3/11/1911 in Appomattox, Va. Died 12/25/1971 in Bedford, Va. Married Mabel Frances Hoback.

    |        |                              Descendant   Kit 227796  Has the expected  13 at DYS439 and also  34 in DYS449   Positive for SNP A6108  Negative for By22794,5,6,7

          2.  Samuel Branch Phelps,, b 1854  Walker's Ford in Wreck Island Creek area   d.1938.   

POND Kits 84685 and 32125 have SNP A6108 and have a common ancestor with others on this page having the SNP A6108.  At present no genealogical connection is known to make that connection.   See the summary ydna table. 

0.  Walter Pond  1728-1785  See this genealogy at https://sites.google.com/site/archivedydnaphelpsgenealogies/06-three-phelps-felps-lines-with-relevant-ydna-matches/-06d-ponds-related-to-phelps

       Kit 84685    DYS439=12 positive for SNP A6108

       Kit 32125   DYS439=13 positive for SNP A6108   BIG Y TESTED

Kit B6124 -  TESTED WITH A BIG Y and found to have two private snps BY4138 and BY4139 at Yfull.com .  Further information about  Frank/Francis Phelps b. bef 1797  From Ireland to VA to GA? More information is found at this page

1.    Frank/Francis Phelps  b. bf 1787  Virginia/Georgia?   d. bf 1830  m. Nancy Taylor ? abt 1783 GA?  From Ireland to VA to GA? See notes

    2.   William A Phelps  b. 10 May 1807 Jackson County ?,  GA  d. 8 Feb 1898 in McMinnville, Warren, TN,

               m. 1829 Matilda Boyd, b abt 1807, GA (Origins:Scotland-PA-TN)  As a common ancestor William should have DYS439=13 which may place him with the Albemarle Phelps line.

         3.  Marlin Monroe Phelps b 27 Feb 1831 Marion Co, TN, d 13 Feb 1893, McMinnville,Warren Co, TN.

         |       4.  John Alexander Phelps b. 10 Dec 1855 in McMinnville, Warren, TN, d. 30 Aug 1906 in Sulphur Springs, Sequatchie Co,  TN

         |           5. John Grady Phelps  b. 18 Feb 1905 in Sulphur Springs, Marion Co., TN  d. 9 Oct 1981 in Miami, Dade Co., Fla

         |                                             Descendant kit B6124  DYS439=13  positive for SNP A6108  Negative for By22794,5,6,7

        3.   Francis Marion Phelps b. 4 Mar 1837 TN : d. 2 Jan 1916 Cego, Falls Co, TX

        |      4.  West Walker Phelps b. Sep 29 1878 Driball, Dublin Co, TN : d. 15 May 1959 Mooreville, Falls Co, TX

        |            5.  Barney Bernard Phelps b. 15 Sep 1908 Dott, Falls Co, TX : d. 26 Apr 1998 Marlin, Falls Co, TX  

        |                                            Descendant Kit 362816   DYS439=13  positive for SNP A6108  apparently at yseq.com

        3.  Robert Phelps  b 11 mar 1839 TN; m. 1859 Sequatchie Co,  d. after 1921 TN,  Tn  Civil war survey naming Frank Phelps as grandfather

        3.   William Alexander Phelps b 28 Mar 1843  TN  d. 31 July 1928 Where??   TN Civil war survey naming Ireland as the origin of his "grandfather"  

A Francis Phelps is seen in the tax list of Buckingham Co in 1793 through 1796     

 

An Extended Sibling Descendant Genealogy Provided by Researchers - Including Albemarle to KY Phelps descendants

Version 2   2/28/2017

 

The following top portion of this tree was created using the genealogy data from ““The Phelps Family of Virginia and Kentucky and Allied Families”  by  NR Roy. Also see  Additions and Corrections.  Not all daughters or wives were listed.   It is hoped it will be useful in finding more Phelps to yDNA test, primarily the new SNP yDNA tests.     Please notify D Phelps of any corrections or additions.  

Also see THE PHELPS FAMILY IN KENTUCKY By: Irene K. Phelps and M. D. Phelps Jr at this .Phelps Blog

1.  Thomas Phelps     b. ca 1686, d 1751 Albemarle Co, VA (present Buckingham Co, VA), m. Elizabeth        2.  John Phelps, Sr.  b. ca 1730 Henrico or Goochland Co Albemarle co, VA.  d.  8/7/1798 Madison Co, KY  (For the below siblings, see p. 104 of Phelps Family of VA and KY) 

        |     3.   Sarah b ca 1764 “no marriage records in KY, probabliy married before coming to KY”

        |     3 .  John Phelps Jr   b ca 1760   no marriage records in KY, probabliy married before coming to KY

        |     3    Cary Phelps  b probably 1762  no marriage records in KY, probabliy married before coming to KY

      |    3.  Philip Phelps  youngest son of John Phelps SR d bef 1828  Madison CO.    (page 129)

        |     3.   Thomas  Phelps b unknown  perhaps married Nancy Harvey and migrated to Howard Co., MO.  (submitted  by Marilyn Phelps)  (page 109)  THE FOLLOING REPORTED WITHOUT POSITIVE PROOVE AS DESCENDANTS OF  of Thomas Jr, BUT NR ROY THOUGHT IT VALID

        |      |     4 Thomas J Phelps b ca 1797  m. Nancy Mott Madison co Marriage records.

        |      |      |     5.  John Owen Phelps b ca 1827

        |      |      |     |      6.   Walter :Phelps

        |      |      |    |      6.    James Pheps

        |      |      |    |      6.   John Phelps

        |      |      |    |      6.   William Phelps

        |      |      |    |      6..   Fred Owen Phelps lives in Fayettte, Missouri

        |      |      |    |      6.    Frank Phelps lives in  Highland Colorado

        |      |      |    |      6.   Robert Lee Phelps

        |      |      |    |      6.   Benjammin Phelps

        |      |      |    5.  James Rice Phelps b 1829  Mo.  

        |      |      |           6. Marion Phelps

        |      |      |           6.. James Watkins Phelps  Mo. 

        |      |      |           6. Thomas J Phelps d. 1944  Mo. 

        |      |      |            6. Henry Toney Phelps  b 1871  Mo.

        |      |      |                7. Tony Allen Phelps  b 1901 mail carrier at Salisbury, Mo. 

        |      |     4.   William Patterson Phelps B CA 1799 m. Rebecca Gates  page 110    “we do not know that this William was the son of Thomas and Nancy

        |     3.  Elizabeth (Betsy)Phelps b ca 1770  d 1803|

        |     3.  Molly Phelps  b ca 1772??

        |     3.  Nancy b ca 1782??

        |     3   Patsy  b ca 1780??

        |     3.  Shadrach Phelps b: 03 Feb 1775 in Albemarle Co., Virginia d: 24 Dec 1855 in Russell Co [was Adair Co].,  m. Celia Stapp (Madison co, KY marriage book) Also Russel co Vital Stats.   (See page  118)     No will found yet, ; only an 1855 Russel Co Inventory record leaving money to five (not 6 below) UNNAMED heirs; William P. Phelps appointed admin for Shadack. surety by John M Phelps.(as stated on the Oct 1855  Administrator's Bond . .  1857 settlement with  William P Phelps  [see below named as a son] , Administrator of Shadrack,deceased.    1843 deed for natural love, etc, to John M. Phelps; Witrness Wm. P. Phelps.. .  See other deeds involving Joseph Shadrack Phelps, John M Phelps, and William P Phelps

        |           4.  Elizabeth b ca 1798 

        |           4.  Polly b ca 1800  d. s.p. ca 1821   (what is s. p.)

        |           4.  Martha b 1804  d 1853       

        |           4.  John M. Phelps b 1802, d 1880 Adair Co, KY (now Russel Co., KY )   Has a will (page 118).     KY Mort Schedule b. abt 1803 KY,   d. 2/1880 Russel co

        |           |     5..  Bellfield Phelps

        |           |     5.  John Quincy PHELPS b: 21 Mar 1859 in Russell County, KY. d: 23 Jun 1919 in Russell Co., KY

        |           |                       Descendant Kit  72420 & H1129  DYS19=16    DYS439=12  Snps don’t match 84867 or the other Albemarle Phelps

        |            4.    Joseph Shadrack Phelps  b 1808  d ca 1888 Pickettt CO, TN

        |             |     5.   Benjamin Davis Phelps b 1834

         |             |    5.   Shadrack Phelps  b 1836

         |             |    5.   William Patterson Phelps b 1839

         |             |    5.    James Irvin  (Irwin) Phelps  b 1842

         |           4.   William P. Phelps b: 27 Jun 1813 in Adair Co. KY  (now Russel Co)  d: 10 Apr 1891 (1897?) in Russell Co., KY  1843 deed for natural love, etc, to John M. Phelps from Shadrack.

         |                 5.   William H. Phelps b: Aug 1850 in Russell Co., KY. d: 1902 in Russell Co., KY

         |                  |                    Descendant Kit 84867   DYS439=13  Snps don’t match H1129 or the other Albemarle Phelps  EMAIL NOW INVALID, LIKELY DECEASED OWNER

         |                   5.    Charles Phelps m . Betsy English

         |                   5.     John Luther Phelps

         |                   |          6.  Luther d 1946

         |                   |          6. Loren  m. Effie Falkenburg

         |                   5.     William Phelps m. Jennie Rexroat  

         |                   5.     Shadrack W. Phelps m. Mary W. Wolford

         |                   5.     James H (Reece) Phelps

         |                   5.      Porter Phelps

         |                   5.       Larue Phelps

         |                   5.      Rice Phelps

       2.  Thomas Phelps, Jr (II).   b: Abt. 1725 in Henrico or Goochland County, VA d:  1797 Shepherdsville, Bullitt County, KY  M. Susannah Guy   Name on Fort Boonesborough. monument.   See Bullitt co, KY Will of March 5, 1797  page 8

        |     3. Josiah PHELPS b:  1755 in Albemarle Co, VA   d:  1835 in Madison Co., KY   m. Elizabeth Patterson   m. Susannah SImmons   m. Mary Collins      Name on Fort Boonesborough. monument.  (See page 14)

        |     |       4.  Guy Phelps b 1792  died in youth

        |     |       4.   Nancy Phelps  .b 1788   m. Michael Baker  

        |     |       4.    Susannah Phelps  b 1785, d. Madison co 1848  m. William Chenault  

        |     |       4.   Jane Phelps   b 1776 d nov 16,1855   m. Thomas Tribble.

        |     |       4.  Jarret Phelps    1400 ac granted by Henderson Co, NC  b. Jan. 17. 1775. at Boonesboro, Ky. W i l l written Jan. 23, 1851, probated June 2, I852, i n Madison Co. Ky. m. Mildred DUNCAN, nineth child of Chsrles and Sarah Duncan of Madison County, Kentucky. (For records See DESCENDANTS OF WILLIAM DUNCAN, THE ELDER, by Nancy R, Roy, 5576 Lake Murray Boulevard, La Mesa, California)

        |     |      4.  Thomas Phelps, III   b 1793, d. 8/20/1840 m. Mary Simpson

        |     |           5.  Josiah Phelps  b. 1819  (document reads 1919)

        |     |                 6.  Josiah Phelps Jr  March 28, 1802

        |     |           5.  Ricihard Simpson Phelps b 1821

        |     |           5.  Susannah Phelps  b 1823

        |     |           5.  Sarah Ann Phelps b 1825

        |     3.  George PHELPS b: Abt. 1757 in Buckingham/Albemarle Co, VA   d: 1803 in Madison County, KY  m. Tabitha Simmons   1400 ac granted by Henderson Co, NC     Name on Fort Boonesborough. monument.

        |     |     4.   Edwin Phelps  b 1802  m 1854  Mary Arvin

        |     |     4.   William Phelps  b 1797  m 1823  Rebecca Gates (page 68)     See the other William m. R Gates  page 110

        |     |     4.   Anthony Phelps  b 1792  m 1814 Betty Marshal  

        |     |     4.   Samuel PHELPS b: 13 Oct 1788 in Madison County, KY d: 18 Apr 1852 in Richmond, Madison Co., KY    

        |     |          5.  George William Phelps b 1823 d 1849

        |     |          5.  Peter Taylor Phelps b 1824 d 1909

        |     |          5.  Samuel Brockman Phelps b 1828  d 1909    lived in Whitehall, KY  Madison co. KY.

        |     |          5.  Anthony n 1830  d 1950

        |     |          5.  Marcus Aurelius Phelps b 1836  d 1914   Madison Co, KY

        |     |           |      6.  David McCOrd Phelps b 1864  d 1951

        |     |           |     |    7.  John Gibson Phelps b 1892  d. 1955 

        |     |           |     |    7.  David McCord Phelps, III  (??)  b. 1894  d 1956

        |     |           |     |    7..  Marcus Arelius Phelps, II   b 1895  d 1922

        |     |           |     |    7.  Thomas Phelps b 1899 

        |     |           |     |         8. Thomas Cole Phelps  b 1925  d 1951   m. Fannie (1930 census Madison KY).   Obit Louisville KY (Morehead)  says d. 1999

                                   9. Thomas Cole Phelps Jr.  m. Harriet Howell   b. 1980 lived Birmingham, Lawrence, Pelham Alabama 

                                         10  Thomas Cole Phelps III   Huntsville, ALA  [Red data by D. Phelps] 

        |     |           |     |         8.  Marcus Arelius Phelps III  b 1934  d 1943

        |     |           |    6.   Dr. Robert May Phelps b 1875  d 1951 Madison, Ky  1930 census shows no children, 1930, a daughter   [Red data by D Phelps]

        |     |           |    6.   Rufus P. Phelps

        |     |           5 .  Thomas Phelps  b 1838  d. 1908

        |     |                6.   Josiah Phelps b 1843  d 1908

        |     3.  Anthony PHELPS (page 85) b: 1763 in Buckingham Co, VA ; in (Nelson Co) Bullitt Co, KY; d: 1859 in Larue Co., KY   m. Nancy Brashear\ (B Renner:   Lands granted by State of VA.) 

        |     |      4.  Liberty Phelps (1801 - 1861)   (Provided by B Renner)

        |     |           5.   Andrew Liberty Phelps (1825 - 1885) ( Provided by B Renner)

        |     |      4.  Lucy Phelps Brashear   (apparent daughter of Anthony)  Name on Fort Boonesborough. monument.   

        |     |      4.  Elizabeth Phelps Williams  (apparent daughter of Anthony)

        |     3.  Edwin PHELPS b: 1767 in Buckingham Co, VA d: 1846 (Nelson Co) Bullitt County, KY   m. Mary Arvine

        |     3.  Guy PHELPS b: 1774 Buckingham, VA d: 1844 in Settlers Gap, (Nelson Co) Bullitt County, KY  m. Sarah Burk 

        |     |     4.  Thomas Phelps b 1810 

        |     3.  Sarah Phelps  

        |             Guy, Edwin, Anthony (and daughters)  took land grants in (Nelson co)  Bullitt Co, granted by Virginia.

 

        |                 THE BELOW PHELPS ARE DESCENDANTS OF WILLIAM PHELPS, BROTHER TO THOMAS JR  AND JOHN JR.  THESE LINEAGES ARE NOT FROM THE DOCUMENT “Phelps family of VA and Ky “  Also see  Additions and Corrections. Submitters include Mark Phelps, John Phelps, Martha Oglesby

        2.   William Phelps  b. circa 1718,  d. 1749 Albemarle Co. Va.    (present Buckingham Co, VA)   ) m. possibly a Baber   

              3.  James Phelps  b. circa 1735 d. after 1800    (moved to  Elbert Co. Ga. from Campbell Co. Va 1797-1800 ) m. Elizabeth  

               |    4.   James Phelps of Wreck Island     b. circa 1774 d. late 1840's (1847 I  think)         

               |    |      The next generation is a hypothesis since county source records were burned                            

           |   |     5.  James Phelps of Buckingham/ Albemarle Co, VA    , b. abt 1770 to1804,  m.  Betty  One hypothesis is that this is James of Wreck Island.

               |    |            6.   Charles Nelson Phelps b. abt 1821 VA d. 1887 Buckingham Co.  VA, m. Catherine

               |    |                  7.   Thomas Mumford Phelps

               |    |                  7.   George W. Phelps

               |    |                  7.   Nat Phelps   

               |    |                  7.   John D. Phelps (1880 Buckingham Co., VA Census) m. Dorothy Mason 

               |    |                               Descendant kit 61678  Has 13 at DYS439   Has 34  at DYS449  SNP A6108+  at YSEQ.COM     Negative for Ponds BY22794,5,6,& 7

               |    4.   John Phelps ( Buckingham Co. Va) m. Fannie  

               |    |       5.  Mecca Phelps (female) (b. 1809  Buckingham Co. Va.) m.1. John H. Rogers 2. William Doss

               |    |             6.  David C. Rogers (b. 1836 Buckingham Co. Va., d. 1896 Lynchburg VA )    m. Elizabeth D. Phelps

               |    |                   7.  James Edward Rogers (b.1866 d. 1934 Appomattox Co. Va) m. Daisy Susan Doss

               |    |                              No dna test

               |    4.   Thomas Phelps, Sr  b. abt 1783 Elbert Co, GA  m. Christian Staples  likely from Wreck Island Creek, Buckingham Co, Va.   

               |    |         For a detailed study of this line, please go to Thomas Phelps Sr. and Christian Staples of Elbert Co., Ga.

           |   |        http://phelpsresearch.blogspot.com/2007/04/thomas-phelps-sr-and-christian-staples.html  (contributed my Mark Phelps, NC)  Also this file is shown in the files at the end of this page

               |           5.   David S. Phelps

               |           5.  James P. Phelps b. 1813

               |           5.   Reuben (Rubin)Phelps b. abt. 1823

               |           5.   Thomas Phelps, Jr. b. July 5, 1817, died Feb 2, 1902,  m.  Elizabeth Ann Stinchcomb

               |           5.   John Wofford Phelps b. Jan. 23, 1821 Elbert Co.  d. March 31, 1881, Elbert Co.,  m. Susan A. Moon                   

               |                   6  William T. Phelps Sr b. 1846

               |                   6.  John Wofford Phelps Jr, b. 1862, Elbert, Georgia  m. Jessie E. Norris, 16-Oct 1884 GA Elbert

               |                   6.  Jefferson Davis Phelps  b. 1859,  Elbert, Georgia  m.Jeanette Burden, 9-Nov 1884 GA Elbert.

               |                          7.  Gairdner Phelps  b. 1887

               |                          7.  Tommie (Lonnie) Phelps b. 1890

               |                          7.   Lester Phelps b. 1891

               |                          7.   Charles  Phelps b. 1893

               |                          7.   Dorolla (Dora) Phelps--Daughter 

               |                          7.   Dozier King Phelps b. 1896 m. Jessie Lavonia Moon

               |                                 8.  Descendants in Elbert Co, GA  NOTE BELOW

 

2016 : The following William has the snp of the James of Caswell Line and is thus not part of the above lineage and has been moved to that major line..     

              3.  William Phelps (d. ca 1811 Buckingham Co. Va.)    (present Appomattox Co, VA),     m. ?       

                     4.   James Phelps b ca. 1768  d. ? Buckingham Co, VA  (present Appomattox Co)  m. Jane Linthicum

                     |       5.  William E. Phelps b. 1807 d. ? Buckingham Co, VA m. Amanda Moore

                     |           6.  George W. Phelps b. 5/1847  d. ? Appomattox Co, VA.  m. Mary Elizabeth Page

                     |                      Descendant Kit 67919  Haplogroup  37 markers Uniquely has 13 at marker DYS392 and 35 at DYS

     4.   Alexander  Phelps (d.1834 Buckingham Co. Va) m. Delila Stephens 

      |       5.  William Phelps (d. 1841 Buckingham Co. Va.) m. Nancy Turner

      |             6.  Elizabeth D. Phelps (b. 1835 d. 1889 Buckingham Co. Va) m. David C. Rogers 

      |                  7.  James Edward Rogers (b.1866 d. 1934 Appomattox Co. Va) m. Daisy Susan Doss

      |                            No dna test

     4.    Richard Phelps  m. Ann Bell 1789 in Amherst Co, VA

 

 

Additional Genealogical information

More research may be found at the Southern Phelps Research Site 

In addition to the downloadable files below, link to this important file :   William Phelps (d.1749, Albemarle, VA), son of Thomas Phelps Sr ( d.1751 of Albemarle Co, VA) including a James who moved to GA. Major clarifications with maps 9/25/2005, Minor change 2/2006, 9/2006 

Subpages (2): 06 Frank/Francis Phelps b. bef 1797 Ireland to VA to Ga?