Laura Chat ~ December 2014 ~ Part 3
December 16, 2014
12/16, 9:12amHernandez Laura
Barry, went to the DA yesterday, told them everything! I cant go to my doctor with this i already lost a doctor due to the assault drama! I have the water, the urine and yesterday i put away a glass she laced with a whiye powder!
white
getting dressed to go to the bank to get funds to get this tested
12/16, 9:14amBarry Kort
Did you go to the Health Department and arrange for the samples to be tested for toxicology?
12/16, 9:14amHernandez Laura
i hate to spend the money i have to feed myself on this
i called them and they said for me to go to the Texas A&m site and print out A form and send it to Texas A&M
12/16, 9:15amBarry Kort
Have you done that?
12/16, 9:15amHernandez Laura
let me get dressed will call when i get out
no, the poison will be inert by then
12/16, 9:16amBarry Kort
I don't understand why you went to the DA before you had your forensic evidence lined up.
12/16, 9:16amHernandez Laura
or will it?
12/16, 9:16amBarry Kort
How do you know what the chemistry is, if you haven't had any analysis carried out?
If you are going to go to the DA with evidence of a crime (poisoning) and you have unanalyzed samples, the DA is gonna roll his eyes until you bother to have the samples forensically analyzed
You can also call the Poison Control Center and ask them about testing a sample to see if it contains a toxic substance that you may have ingested.
12/16, 9:21amBarry Kort
Here is your local Poison Control Center for San Antonio:
www.texaspoison.com
South Texas Poison Center (STPC), San Antonio, Texas. The primary missions of the STPC are to provide poison management, treatment, and poisoning prevention education to the diverse communities in South Central Texas.
12/16, 9:22amBarry Kort
The site clearly tells you, in plain English, to call 1 800 222 1212 if you think you may have swallowed a poison.
www.texaspoison.com
South Texas Poison Center (STPC), San Antonio, Texas. The primary missions of the STPC are to provide poison management, treatment, and poisoning prevention education to the diverse communities in South Central Texas.
12/16, 9:23amBarry Kort
If you have not done that, the DA is gonna think you are a kook who is trying to abuse the legal process before taking care of your own health first.
12/16, 10:12amHernandez Laura
okay im out of the house, im doing the best i can Barry i really thought if i told yhe story and showed the papers they would meet me half way
can i call you now
12/16, 10:13amBarry Kort
Let me turn down my radio.
12/16, 10:14amHernandez Laura
210 7691787
12/16, 10:14amBarry Kort
You cannot call me on FB Chat. I don't have a system to support it.
12/16, 10:14amHernandez Laura
are you a hippie??
lol
12/16, 10:15amBarry Kort
No, I'm a 70-yr old schmeggegy scientist.
12/16, 10:15amHernandez Laura
okay call me now im pulled over
lol gotta love it
12/16, 10:16amBarry Kort
Do you have Google Hangout?
12/16, 10:16amHernandez Laura
no
just call again or let me call u
12/16, 10:17amBarry Kort
You call me.
I called you and got your answering system.
12/16, 10:44amHernandez Laura
the 18002221212 number goes to an opinion poll
12/16, 10:45amBarry Kort
South Texas Poison Control Center Address: 7703 Floyd Curl Drive, San Antonio, TX 78229 Phone:(210) 450-5100
Oh. Wait...
You dialed the wrong number!
12/16, 10:47amHernandez Laura
thats where my doctor use to be
12/16, 10:47amBarry Kort
Look carefully again at the correct number: 1 800 222 1222
I transcribed it wrong the first time, above.
Call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Free and confidential services - 1-800-222-1222.
Read that carefully: Free and Confidential Services.
1-800-222-1222.
12/16, 11:25amHernandez Laura
called them, they are just a call center they do not test samples
12/16, 11:26amBarry Kort
Did they tell you how to have your samples analyzed to determine the chemical composition of your ingested toxin?
12/16, 11:31amHernandez Laura
nope, she said she wouldn't know when i asked
she gave me the floyd curl address and said that is a calling center
12/16, 11:33amBarry Kort
She told you to go to the Floyd Curl address? That being the actual street address of the South Texas Poison Center?
12/16, 11:33amHernandez Laura
i said where can i take the water for a toxicology report she said i dont know, maybe the hospital
nope, that is the address of the san antonio answering poison control center
12/16, 11:34amBarry Kort
The Hospital being the facility at Floyd Curl?
12/16, 11:35amHernandez Laura
no, the hospital of the university
12/16, 11:35amBarry Kort
That's where the Healt Department also told you to go?
12/16, 11:35amHernandez Laura
im not poisoned right now or i could not e doing this obviously
she didnt know where i could go
12/16, 11:36amBarry Kort
Do you have the samples that you suspect are laced?
12/16, 11:36amHernandez Laura
im going to a lab i found last week who will charge me
not on me, they are in the fridge
12/16, 11:37amBarry Kort
Is this the fridge in the house than any occupant might be storing their food in?
12/16, 11:38amHernandez Laura
question, the water bottle is not refrigerated the urine is, If i put yhe water bottle in the freezer will the poison not go inert
my friend knows the urine is there and why
12/16, 11:38amBarry Kort
What is in the fridge? Your urine sample or the water?
You don't know what the chemical composition of the poison is, and until you know that, you cannot anticipate its storage life.
12/16, 11:44amBarry Kort
I used Google Maps to discover what facility is situation at 7703 Floyd Curl Dr. That's the site of the University of Texas Health Science Center.
www.google.com
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
12/16, 11:45amBarry Kort
It's across the street from Methodist Hospital.
Bus #603 Med Ctr/Univ Hts stops there.
12/16, 11:48amBarry Kort
www.google.com
UT Health Science Center San Antonio, 7703 Floyd Curl Dr, San Antonio, TX 78229
12/16, 11:54amBarry Kort
You can also get there on this bus:
Route #520 South Texas Medical Center TC
Merton-Minter/Med.Ctr. Transit Ctr.
12/16, 11:57amHernandez Laura
i have a car,
12/16, 11:57amBarry Kort
https://plus.google.com/117653465252828974891/about?hl=en&gl=us
plus.google.com
UT Health Science Center San Antonio hasn't shared anything on this page with you.
12/16, 11:57amHernandez Laura
looking for a medical toxicologist
12/16, 11:57amBarry Kort
Review: "Anything and everything about maintaining your body's health is here. Help yourself to professional, personalized care, and help students to become better practitioners!"
Review: "My boyfriend recently developed some strange health condition, where after many general practice visits (outside of the UTHSC system) and even desperate visits to Mexico, we found our answer at University Hospital."
If you don't go there, Evelyn, I will be obliged to conclude that you don't wish to attend to your own health as a priority over anything else in life.
12/16, 12:01pmHernandez Laura
im looking for a medical toxicologist
im feeling fine now
i dont want to tell my doctors this hapoenex, i already lost one doctor because of the assault as soon as they know you are in trouble they think youte falking into pieces
12/16, 12:04pmBarry Kort
Is that why you are declining to go to the UT Health Science Center?
12/16, 12:10pmHernandez Laura
im here with dr boss we are discissing it and yes
12/16, 12:14pmBarry Kort
Who is Dr. Boss?
12/16, 1:50pmHernandez Laura
okay, im here at the doctors with all my samples including the glass from yesterday
they said the nurse will see me
12/16, 3:26pmBarry Kort
Good.
12/16, 3:37pmHernandez Laura
hi, im in the er, where the toxicology laboratory is and i saved my escrement when i got here!
12/16, 3:37pmBarry Kort
And the Cell Service is working.
Do you have your urine sample and the bottle of suspect water?
12/16, 3:39pmHernandez Laura
yes
12/16, 3:40pmBarry Kort
Excellent. They will take a blood sample from you also?
12/16, 3:41pmHernandez Laura
i have both urine samples, the glass that has a white powder from yesterday and everything labeled and dated
12/16, 3:42pmBarry Kort
Excellent. Now you are doing forensic science, in search of the ground truth with competent analysts.
No more wild-ass theories devoid of evidence or analysis.
12/16, 3:46pmHernandez Laura
and my notes
yes, blood and urine probably
they will probably call the popo too, its outta my hands now, this is the city's health care system which has been my saving grace
had to come outside for you to get these last messages
going back in now
12/16, 3:47pmBarry Kort
How many signal strength bars does it show for the cell service?
12/16, 3:59pmHernandez Laura
none
now two
you are right the poison may have a long lasting effect, it had not occured to me
it is important i be here for my well being, i had not seen it that way
one bar now
12/16, 4:04pmBarry Kort
It's the only thing that matters, if you find yourself becoming sick or incapacitated. Your health always comes first. After that, the health of those you care about. All of that comes before anything else, period.
12/16, 4:05pmHernandez Laura
yes, im so used to resolving it by myself, when i had the stroke and was misdiagnosed i went to an acupuncturist and it saved me
12/16, 4:06pmBarry Kort
You went to an acupuncturist for a stroke?!?!
12/16, 4:06pmHernandez Laura
plus he mixed his own herbs, he was a trained medical chinese doctor
yes
12/16, 4:06pmBarry Kort
Do you know what a stroke is?
12/16, 4:07pmHernandez Laura
within three treatments he had my face back to normal
ischemic
12/16, 4:07pmBarry Kort
What is your understanding of what a stroke is?
12/16, 4:08pmHernandez Laura
not hemerrogenic sp?
blod clot in brain
12/16, 4:08pmBarry Kort
A stroke is where some part of your brain loses its blood supply and some lobes stop functioning.
And it can take years to recover the lost functionality.
12/16, 4:09pmHernandez Laura
yup, i couldnt understand much
im fine just dont do math well
12/16, 4:10pmBarry Kort
Does that include inductive and deductive reasoning, and reasoning by analogy?
12/16, 4:11pmHernandez Laura
i forget a lot but im getting better
what is inductive reasoning
deductive reasoning is not as sharp as id like it to be
but im having headaches and on pain meds
12/16, 4:12pmBarry Kort
It's learning regular patterns so that you can make predictions about what part of a recurring pattern comes next.
12/16, 4:15pmHernandez Laura
okay, i didnt understand what you just said
its cold here
i had to ho get my jacket
i was just told this place was a mad house yesterday from accidents, life and death cases go in first! Im lucky, the ER is almost empty
12/16, 6:25pmHernandez Laura
my urine specimen is not bei!g refrigerated
im still waiting here
December 17, 2014
12/17, 3:57amHernandez Laura
hey, just got home!
ten hour wait for nothing
12/17, 3:57amBarry Kort
Did you get any results yet?
12/17, 3:57amHernandez Laura
saw the toxicoligisy
toxicoligist
He said to give the rest of the water yo my fathers wife, lol
My results were all negative, he would not test my water
12/17, 3:59amBarry Kort
Did he say the water was safe?
12/17, 3:59amHernandez Laura
nor my samples
he would not test my water nor my samples of urine
12/17, 3:59amBarry Kort
What about the white powder residue?
12/17, 4:00amHernandez Laura
he saw it and that was it
okay, going to sleep im exhausted
12/17, 4:00amBarry Kort
Did he identify it as calcium carbonate?
12/17, 4:01amHernandez Laura
no, nothing
it was a complete waste of time
12/17, 4:01amBarry Kort
Did you evaporate both samples from the open bottle and samples from a freshly opened sealed bottle?
12/17, 4:02amHernandez Laura
nope
because i dont have an environment where i can do that and trust it will remain untouched when i go to the bathroom
okay, im done, going to bed
12/17, 4:03amBarry Kort
Aha! You declined and neglected to do authentic science. I hereby award you a Failing Grade in science.
Congratulations. You are now revealed to be an apostate from Science.
12/17, 4:04amHernandez Laura
Barry, you live in an environment like this and then go fail whatever!!
12/17, 4:05amBarry Kort
What makes you think I don't live in the same world? I not only had death threats, I had an actual witnessed attempt on my life.
But when I went to the authorities, I went with evidence and an impartial eye-witness.
And that sufficed to address and resolve the problem.
It is theoretically possible for you to do the same thing. But for reasons unbeknownst to me, you decline to do so. If that is your choice, then there is nothing more I can do for you.
December 17, 2014
12/17, 1:10pmHernandez Laura
Barry,ci did everything you told me to do to get the dedired results! The fact that i was in front of a toxicoligist with my samples and they didnt get tested is not my fault!
However, the fact that i was thoroughly exhausted trying to do things the way others are telling me to do them, is my doing! Im tired! When im very tired, i suggest you back off because my patience is worn out!
Im very grateful for your help, i am! But im also exhausted!
and now both urine samples are ruined because they have not been refrigerated, God only knows if ill ever find out as no one is going to test anything no matter how hard i try or how long i wait to get yo the proper people in charge of getting it done!
12/17, 1:34pmHernandez Laura
Were you threated inside your home? I do not the safe space to do the test you suggested and San Antonio has hard water with lots of mineral residue! If i cant find out what's in the water why would i ba able to find out whats in the residue? ?
Again, im very grateful for your input i have a gigantic head throbbing!I have a mind to ho to University of yhe Incarnate Word into their chemistry department to see how far i can get!
12/17, 2:41pmBarry Kort
If you still suspect your water was contaminated, take it some place to have it analyzed.
I should tell you that when I heave buckets of stomach acid, it's from emotional stress, not from ingesting anything.
Yes, I was threatened in my home. And it was standing in my driveway when another person made a witnessed attempt on my life.
December 18, 2014
12/18, 10:31amHernandez Laura
Founda laboratory
on my way now
12/18, 10:32amBarry Kort
Yay!
12/18, 10:59amHernandez Laura
hold on
hold on i need to go to what you suspected
12/18, 11:08amHernandez Laura
i mentioned the calcium carbonate
she is telling me to call a lab expertex
12/18, 11:09amBarry Kort
Do you know what Calcium Carbonate looks and tastes like?
12/18, 11:09amHernandez Laura
where they would mail the sample to
nope
calling
12/18, 11:10amBarry Kort
Calcium Carbonate is ordinary blackboard chalk.
You said the water had a metallic taste. If it had a heavy metal in it (e.g. arsenic), that would be present as a residue. And it would be in the bottle you still have.
12/18, 11:14amHernandez Laura
cool, they do a toxcicity scan
12/18, 11:16amBarry Kort
Excellent. Heavy metals are actually pretty easy to detect.
12/18, 11:30amHernandez Laura
250.00 for an unknown toxin and poison scan, they are outside Houston texas
i know they can do this here in San Antonio
i just cant find a place
the lab here charges 499.09 for this test
but the lab tech gave me their connection in houston
12/18, 11:32amBarry Kort
Of course, if you suspect a heavy metal (like arsenic), you can probably use HS Chemistry to test for it yourself.
12/18, 11:35amHernandez Laura
please help me find a lab here in san antonio
this place will take 11days
12/18, 11:36amBarry Kort
Go to a local HS where they teach Chemistry. Go in right after the last hour of classes. Find the Chemistry teacher and ask him or her about testing for toxic metals in water.
12/18, 11:37amHernandez Laura
did that already at the university
they refused
12/18, 11:38amBarry Kort
You went to the Chemistry Department?
12/18, 11:38amHernandez Laura
yes
12/18, 11:38amBarry Kort
Or to the Health Science Center?
12/18, 11:38amHernandez Laura
nope incarnate word
12/18, 11:38amBarry Kort
What was the name of the Chemistry professor you talked to?
12/18, 11:40amHernandez Laura
oh my, i cant remember hisname
it was Chris something i think
i dont remember the toxicoligist name either
12/18, 11:40amBarry Kort
Was it University of Texas at San Antonio?
12/18, 11:40amHernandez Laura
and i spoke to him extensively
12/18, 11:40amBarry Kort
Is there some reason you are not keeping Detective's Notes here?
12/18, 11:41amHernandez Laura
no i didnt go there
yes, stupidity
will do so now
thank you
12/18, 11:42amBarry Kort
That's a good reason for the authorities to consider you a flake and a kook. If you are going to do detective work, do it conscientiously or forget about it.
12/18, 11:42amHernandez Laura
ive never been through this
before,
but i know you're right
okay,
12/18, 11:43amBarry Kort
I take it you never took any courses in the STEM disciplines in HS or college.
12/18, 11:43amHernandez Laura
what are those
nope i dont know what that is
12/18, 11:44amBarry Kort
Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics. It's all about Critical Thinking.
12/18, 11:44amHernandez Laura
um very hyper and disorganized
okay okay, ill go get my notebook and write down everything
12/18, 11:44amBarry Kort
So, you never took HS Chemistry, then?
12/18, 11:44amHernandez Laura
nope
never
12/18, 11:44amBarry Kort
Biology, maybe?
12/18, 11:46amHernandez Laura
yes biology and ohysical science
physical science
12/18, 11:47amBarry Kort
You studied Physical Science?
12/18, 11:47amHernandez Laura
dad would not pay for me to continue in the University
12/18, 11:47amBarry Kort
Did you do any laboratory work?
12/18, 11:47amHernandez Laura
in high school i did
12/18, 11:48amBarry Kort
What kind of laboratory experiments did you do?
12/18, 11:48amHernandez Laura
yes, in high school over forty years ago
12/18, 11:49amBarry Kort
12/18, 11:50amBarry Kort
www.google.com
Search the world's information, including webpages, images, videos and more. Google has many special features to help you find exactly what you're looking for.
12/18, 11:51amBarry Kort
Is there some reason it hadn't occured to you to look up anything about how to test water for toxic metals?
12/18, 11:58amHernandez Laura
yes, im naive
probably just too innocent
and headachy
12/18, 12:00pmBarry Kort
Evelyn, I can help you learn how to think and solve problems, but I don't do your thinking for you. If you wish to survive and function on this planet in the 21st Century, it is imperative to learn how to think for yourself and solve the problems that confront you.
Otherwise, expect to pay a lot of money to hire other people to do your thinking for you and to solve your problems for you.
12/18, 12:12pmHernandez Laura
okay, i came to my high school, going into the chemistry class
i understand what you are saying, im doing the best i know how
12/18, 12:13pmBarry Kort
I expect you to conscientiously learn at all times.
12/18, 12:43pmHernandez Laura
Barry, what type of proffesor are you
what field of science Dr, Coleman a proffesor here wants to know
12/18, 12:44pmBarry Kort
I don't do classroom instruction. I'm a general science educator, and I specialize in Cognitive Science, especially Theories of Learning and Emotions.
I'm a Systems Scientist.
12/18, 12:45pmBarry Kort
Direct him here:
https://sites.google.com/site/barrykort/home/cognition-affect-and-learning
sites.google.com
We use the term 'affect' to subsume the spectrum of affective emotional states and feelings that one can experience while engaged in the learning process. You can see a sampling of them on this slide, together with some nuanced terms for degrees of intensity...
12/18, 12:48pmBarry Kort
I was a Visiting Scientist in the Affective Computing Research Group at the MIT Media Lab.
12/18, 1:10pmHernandez Laura
that was a total waste of time
12/18, 1:10pmBarry Kort
Did you learn nothing?
12/18, 1:21pmHernandez Laura
nope, well yes, i knew he was never going to test my water and it was my second time there
12/18, 1:22pmBarry Kort
It was not about manipulating a competent person into doing your work for you. It is about asking a competent person to help you become a competent person in your own right.
Did you ask him how you could learn to test your water for heavy metals?
12/18, 4:07pmHernandez Laura
the water tested at a 12 which he said it would test a lot higher if it were arsenic or metal poison
and he thinks if it is poisoned it must be organic
12/18, 4:34pmBarry Kort
12 units of what, Evelyn?
12/18, 4:37pmHernandez Laura
xonductivity
driving
12/18, 4:39pmBarry Kort
He measured the electrical conductivity of the water?
12/18, 4:43pmBarry Kort
Conductivity is a measure of how well water can pass an electrical current. It is an indirect measure of the presence of inorganic dissolved solids such as chloride, nitrate, sulfate, phosphate, sodium, magnesium, calcium, iron and aluminum. The presence of these substances increases the conductivity of a body of water. Organic substances like oil, alcohol, and sugar do not conduct electricity very well, and thus have a low conductivity in water.
12/18, 4:44pmBarry Kort
But that doesn't say what units the value "12" is reported in.
12/18, 6:08pmHernandez Laura
Okay, its after five and I've done all i can do for today! Its hard to catch a thief!
12/18, 7:16pmBarry Kort
It's even harder to educate a thief-catcher.
12/18, 7:16pmHernandez Laura
lol
If this is an organic poison then it wont matter!
12/18, 7:17pmBarry Kort
You didn't answer my key question above. What units is the conductivity measured inn?
12/18, 7:18pmHernandez Laura
This is best left to a pro not someone that knows absolutely nothing about poisons or water
i have no idea
12/18, 7:18pmBarry Kort
When the person said the conductance value was "12" did you not ask for the units?
12/18, 7:19pmHernandez Laura
the man said there was nothing in the water that it measured a 12, i have no idea what that meant
12/18, 7:19pmBarry Kort
:rolls eyes:
12/18, 7:19pmHernandez Laura
why would i do that
i told him i had no idea what that meant
12/18, 7:20pmBarry Kort
Did it occur to you ask him what that meant?
And he said ...
12/18, 7:20pmHernandez Laura
yes
he said that if it had a high metal content it would measure above 700
12/18, 7:21pmBarry Kort
The reason you would ask him to tell you the name of the units is so that when you told me the reading, you could attach the name of the units to the number.
12/18, 7:21pmHernandez Laura
then i said so there is no toxicity
he said! i didnt say that, there can be organic toxins
12/18, 7:22pmBarry Kort
See, it would be nice to take the label of the brand of bottled water and find out the conductivity of that brand of bottled water, so as to confirm or refute the Null Hypothesis.
12/18, 7:22pmHernandez Laura
no you dont understand
12/18, 7:22pmBarry Kort
Did he measure the control bottle, the bottle you had that had not been opened or tampered with?
12/18, 7:23pmHernandez Laura
i filled the club soda bottle with filtered water
i did not have an unopened bottle of club soda but that is not club soda in there
12/18, 7:24pmBarry Kort
What water did you drink that you hypothesized was contaminated? A bottle of store-bought club soda? Or a bottle of filtered tap water? What?
12/18, 7:24pmHernandez Laura
i think im driving you nuts
12/18, 7:25pmBarry Kort
You are not answering the questions that are essential to answer if you want to do authentic science to learn the ground truth.
12/18, 7:25pmHernandez Laura
ftered tap water in an empty club soda bottle
sorry
12/18, 7:25pmBarry Kort
Do you wish to learn the ground truth by doing conscientious science or not?
12/18, 7:26pmHernandez Laura
filtered reverse osmosis water in an empty club soda bottle
12/18, 7:26pmBarry Kort
Did you have a second bottle that you had securely filled with freshly filtered water that you knew was not tampered with by anyone?
12/18, 7:26pmHernandez Laura
there, i think i finally said it right
12/18, 7:27pmBarry Kort
Did he measure both the suspect bottle and your control of freshly filtered, untampered water?
12/18, 7:27pmHernandez Laura
no to the last question
there was no control
12/18, 7:27pmBarry Kort
What the fuck?!?!?! You didn't have a fucking CONTTOL!
Jesus fucking christ, Evelyn, what the fuck is the matter with you? I am expecting you to be doing conscientious science.
12/18, 7:28pmHernandez Laura
WTF, now you're talking like me, now i know im driving you nuts!! Barry, please calm down, please dont get upset
what the fuck is the matter with me, im not a fucking scientist i guess
12/18, 7:30pmBarry Kort
I am deeply disappointed in you. I am spending valuable time trying to teach you how to be a conscientious scientist and you are departing wholesale from the protocols of the scientific method. No wonder you have no clue what's going on.
Why are you sabotaging your own education?
12/18, 7:31pmHernandez Laura
why would i take another full bottle of water?? all i want is this bottle tested for toxins
12/18, 7:31pmBarry Kort
No! That's not doing science!
You want to measure the suspect bottle against a control.
12/18, 7:32pmHernandez Laura
okay well i havent a clue
12/18, 7:32pmBarry Kort
Then you would have evidence. Or you would have falsified your working hypothesis, and we'd be done with this fucking shit already.
12/18, 7:33pmHernandez Laura
temper, temper! !!!
12/18, 7:34pmBarry Kort
Did you come to me to prove how utterly incompetent you can be? Guess what? You convinced me.
12/18, 7:34pmHernandez Laura
i have no wsy to test water so i can be done with this,
i am not a scientist
and i wont be insulted
12/18, 7:34pmBarry Kort
I have concluded you have desire to learn to solve your own problems.
12/18, 7:34pmHernandez Laura
i am not incompetent
i am doing my best
12/18, 7:35pmBarry Kort
Then demonstrate to me that you can adhere to the protocols of the scientific method. At. All. Times.
December 30, 2014
12/30, 12:03amHernandez Laura
Hi Barry, mice are in their cage with the water i drank! No more drama and perception, im trying to prove things, to myself before i say anything to anyone! Thank you for your input!
12/30, 12:05amBarry Kort
You must have incontrovertible forensic evidence to support every working hypothesis. And you must conscientiously seek to falsify all hypotheses, including both your candidate working hypotheses and the null hypothesis. Otherwise, your results will not be valid or persuasive.
Narratives are not evidence. They are automatically discarded as unscientific. Your forensic evidence must be reproducible by a disinterested party.
12/30, 12:08amHernandez Laura
okay, i did not understand what you just said! in the first paragraph, i understood the second! my idea is if the mice die then the water csn go to the lab! Actually, your idea!
If you run an experiment with proper controls and get an anomalous outcome, then another disinterested lab scientist has to be able to independently reproduce your experimental outcome.
If you go to the police or to the DA with only a story, and with no forensic evidence to support your allegations, then you will be seen as having accused another party of a crime (e.g. attempted murder) with no evidence to support your claim.
12/30, 12:12amHernandez Laura
let me look up anomalous
Allegations of a crime for which there is no forensic evidence is an instance of Character Assassination. If you engage in Character Assassination without evidence, then you automatically engage in Self-Assassination of your own character!
12/30, 12:13amHernandez Laura
correct
Anomalous means something unusual, out of the ordinary, unexpected.
12/30, 12:14amHernandez Laura
yes, i saw that
As things stand now, you have self-indicted your own character as an agent-provocateur who engages in unsubstantiated character assassination. This is most definitely a very very stupid thing to do.
12/30, 12:15amHernandez Laura
i have a lifetime of perceptions about this woman that no one else has
i alsi have numerous instances of events that i have made a list of
since September they increased
i have written down everything for my own viewing before i can share
her character was assasinated by mother when i was a teenager
Perceptions are not evidence of anything other than the information-processing characteristics of your own brain. Your failure to engage in rigorous scientific methods makes your subjective perceptions suspect.
12/30, 12:19amHernandez Laura
i am now a grown woman and for the first time being forced to step back n regroup my thoughts
thank you again, i need to go to bed now good night my friend
Today on NPR, they rebroadcast a discussion about the dangers of self-delusion and self-deception.
Richard Feynman said, "The first principle of science is that you must not fool yourself--and you are the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about that. After you've not fooled yourself, it's easy not to fool other scientists. You just have to be honest in a conventional way after that."
I want you to take an hour an listen to this NPR conversation...
Key observation: Neuroscientists now say we are, as a species, hard-wired for some degree of hypocrisy, self-deception, and cognitive dissonance.
http://onpoint.wbur.org/2014/12/29/hypocrisy-humanity-harpers
12/30, 12:37amHernandez Laura
did you see my post of cognitive dissonance?
I'm running behind real-time on FB, as I've been working on another project.
12/30, 12:38amHernandez Laura
Barry, i am as honest as i know to be, i know humans are full of imperfection and i am no exception
that post was quite a while ago, i had never heard the term,
12/30, 12:39amBarry Kort
A person can be 100% honest and also 100% self-deluded.
Honest just means you disclose your mindset, whether your mindset is full of accurate knowledge or full of misconceptions.
The whole point of science is to weed out the misconceptions and self-delusions.
12/30, 12:42amHernandez Laura
yes this is true, this is why even though i was very upset by what you said i allowed time to pass and revisited your words to me because i believe you have nothing to gain from upsetting me you are using your energy to talk to me and if i listen i may learn something and grow as a person
12/30, 12:43amHernandez Laura
okay im exhausted
It would be very bad for you to make allegations for which you have no forensic evidence. Very very bad.
That's why I got so upset at you when you flubbed up the protocols of the scientific method regarding the testing of samples against a control.
12/30, 12:46amHernandez Laura
you have to realize you are teaching me a way to think that is new to me and i am very grateful because i may just stop being such a big fool by learning this, better late than never
Did you ever watch Scooby Doo children's cartoons? Every episode is about solving a mystery by applying forensic and scientific methods in a rigorous and conscientious fashion.
12/30, 12:47amHernandez Laura
my head is pounding has been for the past two days
i am exhausted
Then I recommend you go to sleep. You need a clear head to be a conscientious scientist.
In the morning, sit quietly and listen to that NPR program.
12/30, 12:49amHernandez Laura
and it took forever to find a water bottle to fit the cage then five stores to find a way to hold the bottle to where they could drink from it
i have an appointment with the doctor in the morning
You need two cages, two mice, and two samples: one that you know is not tampered with, and one you suspect may have been tampered with.
12/30, 12:50amHernandez Laura
i will listen as soon as i can
i knew i needed two mice, lol
I am going to be very hard on you if you don't do your science conscientiously in strict accordance with the protocols of the scientific method. If you depart from the protocols of the scientific method, your experiments will have no value and no meaning.
12/30, 1:01amHernandez Laura
well then please tell me what those protocols are! i just figured if the muce are alive in the morning then the wster wasnt poisoned
mice not muce
and then i have no idea why i puked n got so sick
Did I tell you what makes me puke bigtime?
12/30, 1:03amHernandez Laura
nope
It's not food. It's dealing with people who are manifesting traits of the Dark Triad. I get Dyspepsia.
Essentially a form of Disgust.
Disgusting characters literally make me retch bigtime.
12/30, 1:05amHernandez Laura
manifesting what??
what is the dark triad?
Machiavellianism. Narcissism. Psychopathy. Sociopathy.
Basically Axis II Cluster 'B' Control Freaks.
12/30, 1:06amHernandez Laura
thats four adjectives
are those adjectives?
What used to be called evil-doers, wicked in biblical jargon.
12/30, 1:07amHernandez Laura
ill have to look those up! everytime i talk to you i run back n forth yo the dictionary
oh bad people
en.wikipedia.org
The term dark triad refers to a group of three personality traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy.[1] Use of the term "dark" implies that these traits have malevolent qualities.
And that's why I don't want you making unsubstantiated allegations that you cannot back up with solid and irrefutable forensic evidence. Because people who make unsubstantiated allegations are not just bad people, they are Bad Allegators!
12/30, 1:10amHernandez Laura
i think you just described one or both of my sisters and some of my mother!
And I don't want you to be a Bad Allegator.
12/30, 1:10amHernandez Laura
i have seen mom manipulate
much to my dismay
i think dad is easily foolex but then again im very naive
dad says im like a child
That's why I took umbrage when you keep feeding me narratives -- stories that you could not back up with hard scientific evidence. Telling stories without being able to support them with solid evidence is a classic behavior of manipulators.
12/30, 1:12amHernandez Laura
i like to believe people are good
I like to believe people are capable of learning. I would hate to discover that belief is unfounded and delusional.
12/30, 1:13amHernandez Laura
did i tell you the list of things that i someone has done since September
but you are right
i dont have a camera in this room or on my car or in the closet
i dont know who did those things
No. And if you did, I would probably be obliged to throw the list away, as it would probably not be backed up by independently discoverable and verifiable evidence.
12/30, 1:15amHernandez Laura
i just know someone is trying to make me upset!!
I know who that person is.
12/30, 1:15amHernandez Laura
what does independently discoverable mean?
is it independently discoverable that sometimes i feel like an idiot?
lol
i really do
who else gets in these messes n don't know how to get out!
I'm figuring it out by learning how to think differently
i have to change
if i am to improve i have to get away from my roots
Who do you hypothesize I have identified as the person who is trying (and succeeding) at making you upset?
12/30, 1:20amHernandez Laura
i feel druged by the pain, i best lay down
ummm me?
Bingo.
12/30, 1:21amHernandez Laura
I'm probably my biggest enemy
You are doing a superb job of driving yourself crazy.
12/30, 1:21amHernandez Laura
because i believe that a persons biggest enemy is usually themselves
yes probably
And the reason is because no one ever taught you how to sort scientific fact from imaginary beliefs.
12/30, 1:23amHernandez Laura
is the angel real?
You have a wonderful ability to construct untestable and utterly alarming beliefs.
And it's very likely most people have noticed that about you, but won't tell you that to your face.
12/30, 1:24amHernandez Laura
is that wonderful ability good for anything productive?
Yes. I suggest you go to Moth Radio Hour and tell stories. You have a gift for telling fabulous stories.
12/30, 1:25amHernandez Laura
Why, am i scary?
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themoth.org
The Moth is a New York City based nonprofit organization that conducts live storytelling events.
Not scary, just a fount of fabulous tales.
The scary part would be if you actually believed your own fabulous stories.
Here is a great quote from William F. Buckley:
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.
12/30, 1:43amHernandez Laura
Barry i believe that life is an illusion formed by perception ,
nothing is real
Row row row your boat ...
12/30, 1:44amHernandez Laura
the headaches are not real im in a body going to life school
Did you ever hear of two characters named Gurdjieff and Ouspensky?
12/30, 1:45amHernandez Laura
one thing is for sure if i am to live a better life i need to open different books
nope
You need to read people who actually know how to think.
Gurdjieff and Ouspensky determined that most people "sleepwalk" through life. They are not truly "awake" in the sense of accurately apprehending what's really going on.
12/30, 1:48amHernandez Laura
did i ever tell you mom only had a fourth grade education, i was raised by her, maybe that has something to do with it
define awake
Aware. Keenly aware.
12/30, 1:52amHernandez Laura
okay, im going to sleep, i have a doctors appointment in the morning n my head is throbbing
im keenly aware of that
thank you so much
if the mice die, the water goes to the lab, if the mice live, im going to apologize
im probably an idiot
goon night
Good night. Sleep well.
12/30, 1:56amHernandez Laura
thank you, you too
right now my eye lids n forehead hurt
i hope in the dark it will stop
Go to sleep already.
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