Horses

Ether 9:19

"And they also had horses, and asses, and there were elephants and cureloms and cumoms; all of which were useful unto man, and more especially the elephants and cureloms and cumoms."

Google search for "petroglyphs of horses"... I have seen hundreds of my lifetime...  All of which are dismissed as being recent/after Spaniards arrived.  None to my knowledge have ever been dated (most are mixed in with other glyphs absolutely accepted as anasazi or early basket maker") they are just written off because "no need to look for something that isn't there"... right?

Petroglyph found in Massachusetts

“In another scene, there is a vessel, with its masts, flags, and long rudder, as in the oriental vessels at this day. There is the figure of a horse, which is the well-known symbol of Carthage.”

(Haywood 1823 pg. 329)

It's not that we haven't found evidence of Horses in the americas... 

it's that every time scientists do find evidence, it either immediately gets declared a hoax, or goes missing.   

There are literally hundreds of examples...

Ironic, because their Wikipedia article still says ...

"On February 18, 2009, George C. Page Museum formally announced the 2006 discovery of 16 fossil deposits that had been removed from the ground during the construction of an underground parking garage for the Los Angeles County Museum of Art next to the tar pits.[13] Among the finds are remains of a saber-toothed cat, dire wolves, bison, horses, a giant ground sloth, turtles, snails, clams, millipedes, fish, gophers, and an American lion.[13][14] "

And Horses still show up on the official list, although you now have to go to a third page to see the actual skeletons they have on display in the Museum of Le Brea

On the specific age of the horse bones, we now know that carbon dating does not work on marine animals (anything under water absorbs carbon at a different rate and you get wierd results like 2,300 yes old fresh water clams and 8,000 yr old penguins) so bones in a tar put are kind of an anomoly... not really a way to radio car on date them.

If we  go with the stated "10,000 years ago" timeline, minus 2,000 to time of Christ + 1,600 to the Jaredites, we get ~3,600 yrs... So, 7,400 year time gap... But, that is when the horse/elephant got trapped... It does not tell us how long the rest of his herd kept living...  not an actual argument against horses still being alive in Jaredite time frame..

Mainstream scientists claim, "Horses were brought to the Americas by the Spanish" - IF that is true, ...By WHICH "Spanish" and WHEN?

• Hernán Cortés (1519): invaded Mexico with just sixteen horses, only six of which were mares. One mare foaled on board the ship, bringing the total to seventeen. Bernal Díaz del Castillo recorded the deaths of both horses and soldiers, noting that Cortés’s own horse died before their first major battle.

• Ponce de León (1521): His expedition failed quickly, and the valuable horses were likely taken back aboard the ship by the few survivors.

• Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón (1526): His attempt at colonization also ended in disaster, with the remaining horses probably returned to Santo Domingo.

• Pánfilo de Narváez (1527): He started out with eighty horses on board his ships, but his expedition faced extreme starvation. Historical records indicate all but one of his horses were slaughtered for food. Native guides for Hernando de Soto’s later expedition, showed the Spaniards skulls of horses left behind by de Narváez’s expedition

• Melchior Díaz (1539): commander of the Spanish outpost at San Miguel de Culiacán, was sent to investigate Friar de Niza's findings, and departed for Cíbola with fifteen horsemen. Diaz only made it as far as the ruins of Chichilticalli, and turned around because of "snows and fierce winds from across the wilderness".

• Hernando de Soto (1539): landed nine ships in La Florida with over 620 men and 223 horses just south of Tampa Bay. De Soto lost 1/4 of his horses & 200+ of his men during the battle of Mabila (or Mauvila) fighting Tuskaloosa. Three years later, 150 had perished. By the time of his death, in 21 May 1542, De Soto had lost half of his men and only forty horses remained. In 1543, his decimated forces launched from the lower Mississippi River. The good animals, numbering just twenty-two, were put on board rafts and taken with them; the rest were made into jerky so the men could survive. His successor, Luis de Moscoso Alvarado, records that only four or five horses, all stallions, remained at the end of the expedition.

• Francisco Vásquez de Coronado (1540): led a large expedition of "556 caballos (horses), and two yeguas (mares)" from what is now Mexico to present-day Kansas through what is now parts of the southwestern United States, looking for the Cíbola, or Seven Cities of Gold. However, Men and horses became lost in the featureless steppe called the Llano Estacado in the Texas Panhandle and Eastern New Mexico, where Coronado encountered both  Apache & Teyas Indians

The Spanish arrive in Mainland Mexico  (Cortez) in 1519... which is simply NOT enough TIME

• Le Page du Pratz, one of the first French explorers to travel in the southern Gulf Coast area of North America, speaks of horses as being numerous in the area now known as Louisiana in 1719 - he also describes these horses as appearing different from the European horse.

• The Snake Indians, who lived in southern Idaho and eastern Oregon, a.k.a. the Shoshoni, they had horses not later than 1700—probably earlier.

• The Tejas indians, indigenous to northern Mexico, were described in 1682 as being “a settled people . . . [who] raised grain in such abundance that they even fed it to their horses.”

• The Missouri, a tribe for which that state is named, were visited by Henri de Tonti in 1682, who describes them as having horses at that time.

• The Arikaras of North Dakota had extensive trade with the Gatakas and Apache involving horses as early as 1680.

• Wild horses in Virginia were reported as destroying crops in 1669

• The Pawnee are thought to have had horses by 1650 or even as early as 1630.  Anthropologist Clark Wissler suggests that tribes like the Pawnee and the Kiowa had begun “horse raiding . . . in the early years of 1600.”

• Francisco de Ibarra traveled in the Sonora Valley of Mexico in 1567. His record states that some tribes in that region were not only acquainted with the horse but also were practiced horsemen by that time.

FYI - horses "originated" in  North America

Even when they find "evidence" to the contrary...

NOTES

• F.G. Roe's The Indian and the Horse: A detailed historical account published in 1955 that describes how Native Americans acquired and utilized horses. Roe examines the routes of diffusion and concludes that the horse significantly impacted Native cultures, particularly Plains tribes.

• Thornton Chard's "Did the First Spanish Horses Landed in Florida and Carolina Leave Progeny?": A 1940 article in the American Anthropologist. Chard concludes that early Spanish expeditions were too disastrous to establish wild horse herds in the American Southeast. He argues against the idea that the Chickasaw horse, for instance, originated from Ayllón's lost horses in the 1520s. 

• Robert Moorman Denhardt (1912-1989) Horse of the Americas, pg. 103

• https://blog.xcaret.com/en/horses-of-the-past-fossils 

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chincoteague_pony => looks alot like a Spanish Mustang, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Mustang#Characteristics 

The existence of ancient, indigenous horses on the American continent first came to light in 1840, when (Sir) Richard Owen, a noted paleontologist, described a fossilized

horse tooth found by Charles Darwin in Argentina.

In 1847, paleontologist Joseph Leidy published “On the Fossil Horse of America,” proving that ancient horses lived in North America.