Comments by Carol Domingo Sanchez
On the FLGenWeb, Inc. front: After the election massacre that produced a lackluster interest in voting, two more CCs resigned. One is lovingly referred to as the Cracker and one was our own not-so-lovable Charles Barnum. Charles was invited to join the Florida project by the former SC who was harassed into oblivion. After the election, Barnum sent an uncharacteristic civil email stating he resigned from FLGenWeb. He warmly thanked the former SC for inviting him to join. Barnum was in the process of removing his name from the web site to turn it over to the SC when the SC sent an email to the membership stating that the Cracker might now return to FLGenWeb, because the Cracker had resigned because Barnum was hanging around. This email inflamed Barnum so much that he delete the entire web site which he worked months to bring to life.
I asked Mr. Barnum if he had a response to the recent happenings. "I do not give a xxxx about the recent happening in USGenWeb or in FLGebWeb. Same-o, same-o bullshit!" He said. The rest of what he said was not printable. He ended his expletive laden response with, "Have a nice day.
An email revealed:
From: Ray
To: jcnreno@charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: Flgenweb
Charles,
I have not been able to see what is going on with the Florida project for a number of days. On advice of council, I am to not have any contact with it. In the words of council, “anything I say or do could be used against me in a court of law.”
Laverne wrote me and told me she had accused me of stealing to the “local law enforcement and the FBI”. I have heard from friends that she has been demanding a trial to defend herself against various claims. I have not seen or heard one word from her or her supporters that says anything about what she has done to me.
IF she is afforded some kind of due process why would someone not step up and say she can’t put out a member without the same process?
I assume you understand how the internet works. Laverne gave me a user name and pass word to access the projects archives via FTP. You cannot use them without seeing them and you cannot see them without actually downloading the files to see them. They do not magically appear on your screen. She claims that is stealing. She has accused me of taking things that are not mine. She is accusing me of future acts. (I have material from the archive and will use it somewhere else against copyright law.) Future acts that have not taken place are hard to defend ones self against.
Sir, if you look at something are you in violation of copyright?
I hope if the discussion of what Laverne has done is still going on you will consider what she has done to me. I think she has been after me for some time but have no reason why she would be. She tried recently to ban me for quoting a message on the boards’ list to the members list. Something I totally do not understand as both groups have read access to both lists. Hardly can be called “cross posting” if both lists read the same messages. The only difference in them is the board can write to both lists and members cannot write to the board list.
Regards,
Ray Richard
Also read this one of many to be published in the coming months:
From: Franmuse@aol.com
To: flgenweb@googlegroups.com ; flgwb@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:07 PM
Subject: [FLGW] posted on behalf of Ray Richard
Hi Fran,
I didn’t go to work today till after noon but spent my lunch hour speaking to the Navy about what effects Lavernes actions might have on my Secret Clearance that is created via an FBI database. Their advice to me is to check directly with the FBI and file a counter claim. They also advised me not to have any contact with “the woman” and also advised me not to accept any correspondence that appears to come from the “flgenweb” until I hear further from the FBI.
So, I guess I am out of commission. I would appreciate it if you find a way to announce what happened. I can’t send it myself right now on advice from the Navy.
I explained to them that I was given ftp access with a user name and pw and the material she is accusing me of stealing was probably in the area that I had a user name and pw to access. I also told them that I had been asked to take over the job of archivist for the project but had not done so.
I think, if I get permission from the Navy, I am going to forward the email she sent me to the member list and let them know that Laverne has got more than a bark, she is biting too. I will ask that if anyone has any doubts about if I was stealing something to let me know. And that if Laverne was so intent that Patrice have nobody to run for office against her she has succeeded. Right now I can’t even tender my removal from the voting as I would have to do it against council.
An interesting thing about all this I learned is that her report will put the flgenweb on some FBI list that is more or less on public access like the better business bureau list of complaints against a company. And I guess that can be looked at by activities who might be looking at giving the project grants. If she actually did what she said she did its to late. You can’t take it back according to the Navy. At least that is how I understand it. Sorry to bring that bad news. But more sorry that I am going to have to jump through some hoops to make sure she has not messed up my clearance. And my name will be in that list too thanks to her.
Ray
From: L. H. Tornow [mailto:director@flgenweb.net]
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:25 AM
To: Raymond Richard
Cc: flgenweb@googlegroups.com; flgwb@googlegroups.com
Subject: Stlen Material
Ray,
I know you downloaded the Chesser photos from the flgw Archives as well as many other things. You did not have permission to do so as those photos are not yours nor does FLGW have PERMISSION as yet to use them FROM the owner/s. If you USE any of the items you took you are in violation of copyright not mine, not FLGW's BUT the OWNERS of the items. Number one, you did not bother to ask, number 2, the items that you took WERE NOT EVEN LINKED to the table of contents so there was no way for you to KNOW THEY WERE THERE without having accessed via FTP. The photos in question were recovered at the request of the submitter from the OLD BAKER county site that Carl Mobley ran off with. I have yet to have positive confirmation from the family involved that those are indeed the correct photos. The access that you had to the archives has been terminated and will not under any circumstances be restored to you. You violated trust placed in you and did a dirty underhanded thing. This e-mail is being copied to the owners of all the information you stole as well as your internet service provider. What they do about it is not in my control, but I am legally obligated to inform them that you have taken them without. permission.
Your actions have been also been reported to the FBI, the owners of the magazine, the owners of the Chesser Photos AND your Internet Service Provider. While you may have had ftp access, you did not have permission for ANYTHING that you took. This is to also serve as notice that you will not ever be allowed to have access to any of the hosting space that my husband and I provide on any server regardless.
You want to be on the board of FLGenWeb Project, Inc? right? You obviously have no ethics or morals. That is a little like putting the FOX in charge of the hen house.
IP-Adresse: 76.106.238.180
Provider: Comcast Cable
Location: Middleburg FL
76.106.238.180 UNKNOWN u35290965-flgwarch5 [28/Jul/2009:16:46:05 -0500] "CWD /4laverne" 250 89714
76.106.238.180 UNKNOWN u35290965-flgwarch5 [28/Jul/2009:16:46:41 -0500] "SIZE Bubba_ and_ Cletus.jpg" 550 1844
76.106.238.180 UNKNOWN u35290965-flgwarch5 [28/Jul/2009:16:36:50 -0500] "SIZE clay_gerhardt-1.html" 550 3578
76.106.238.180 UNKNOWN u35290965-flgwarch5 [28/Jul/2009:16:36:50 -0500] "TYPE I" 200 3578
76.106.238.180 UNKNOWN u35290965-flgwarch5 [28/Jul/2009:16:36:54 -0500] "CWD /clay/photos/chesser" 250
This is no a complete listing. The complete list has been transmitted to the FBI and local law enforcement agencies.
Laverne Tornow