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This Just In: Bonnie McVicar-Briggs has resigned from the USGenWeb
Project Advisory Board, effective immediately. The resignation letter was
sent to Board-Exec this morning. The Board is currently discussing
Bonnie's replacement.
This is record time for a resignation from the Board.
-Teresa Lindquist
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Have it your way...its Your Daily Board Show!
*warning* laden with fattening editorial content. Read at your own risk!
Saturday 11 September 1999:
Ginger Hayes says she'd like to see the Board Secretary be a non-Board
member with no voting privileges and should be subbed to Board-L and
Board-Exec and have posting privileges to all other mailing lists relevant
for disseminating information. She also asks the NC why he wants the Chair
to number motions and keep the status of motions instead of the Board
secretary [because it gives him something to do].
Pam Reid ask what happened with Motion 99-22 as she was out of town at
the time. The NC gives her the final vote count.
In response to Tina Vickery's question on the duties of the Board
secretary, the NC posts the duties from Motion 99-2 and adds his own
suggestions:
"1. that the Secretary be someone from among the general membership, who
may have some PP knowledge, who can work well with the NC / Advisory Board
2. that the Chair retain the duty to number and declare the status of
motions
3. that language similiar to the following be included in the job
description:
Resolved, that the candidate shall be appointed Secretary by
the Advisory Board and shall continue in that position for as long as
he/she continues to enjoy the support of x portion of the Advisory Board."
[hmmm...no independent thinkers need apply.]
He also suggests that maybe the board secretary should enjoy the support
of "some combination of NC and/or Advisory Board?", and suggests that some
decision should be made as to which list the secretary should be
subscribed to and where they should be allowed to post.
A Fast Start: Bonnie McVicar-Briggs, the NE/NC CC rep has resigned her
seat on the Board as of this am. According to her resignation letter:
"Effective immediately I am resigning from this board and from all duties
as a member of the USGW. Please remove me from all board mail lists."
This is the first resignation of the Board's term; with any luck they'll
beat the last Board's average of nearly one a month.
Stacking the Deck Corner: Rumors are rampant that Linda "Cruella DeVille"
Lewis stacked the deck in the last election, by having file managers run
in each election. We've heard through the grapevine that one of the
recently elected Board members, who is an Archives file manager, was given
a county to which she apparently has no ties whatsoever, solely in order
to qualify to run in the election for that region. The USGW
Project--machine politics at its finest.
Rocky Mountain High Corner: Also grinding out of the rumor mill these
days is that Board member, Archives file manager, and recent CO CC,
Maggie Zimmerman is maneuvering to have her good friend and current CO ASC
Mary Ann Hetrick installed as the new CO SC. [You'll remember these two
from their infamous "copyright violation" chat.] Although some CO CCs
have expressed concern that Mary Ann will not be acceptable to RW, they
can rest easy. She's definitely the pick of the litter as far as they are
concerned.
"Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it."
---Albert Einstein
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-Teresa Lindquist
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:00:34 -0400 (EDT)
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Its the water, and a lot more!...its your Daily Board Show!
*warning* contains editorial content. Read at your own risk!
Sunday 12 September 1999:
There is no Board-L traffic on this date.
Tomorrow's News Today: Bonnie Mcvicar-Briggs resigns; the motion to
accept her resignation is made and seconded [in record time]
"There is a higher law than the law of government. That's the law of
conscience. "
---Stokely Carmichael
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Let that be a lesson to you...its your Daily Board Show!
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Monday 13 September 1999:
Bonnie McVicar-Briggs, NE/NC resigns from the Board, effective
immediately.
Joy Fisher moves to accept Bonnie's resignation and thank her for her
service on the board. Shari Handley seconds. The NC calls for a vote,
and by the end of the day 12 Board members have voted "aye".
Joe Zsedney replies "sounds good" [on Board-L] to a series of suggestions
made by Betsy Mills [on Board-Exec] in response to Joy Fisher's
question "How do we decide on a repacement??" [also made on Board-Exec]
Betsy's suggestions include the following:
"1. set a 1-2 week period to accept nominations from that region's CC's
(no out of region nominations accepted).
2. accept resumes from the people who are nominated and wish to have
the position.
3. go into executive session and discuss the applicants.
4. select one and appoint them."
According to Betsy, this would allow the membership of the region to have
a say in who is eventually appointed to represent them.
News Flash! Hot topic on Board-Exec today: Our National Coordinator wants
to institute sanctions against Board members who "leak" material from the
so-called "executive session". One suggested punishment: banishment from
the secret list for 10 days. We don't expect to be seeing discussion of
this topic on Board-L, despite the new "spirit of openness". [Tim better
be careful with this; it could get mightly lonely in there.]
News Flash v2: We hear that Root$web will be handling yet another USGW
election, this time for the new NY State Coordinator.
Interesting Coincidences Corner: Way back in the "December massacre" IRC
Board meeting in December 1998, Bob Bamford suggested that it would be
easier for the Board to keep tabs on what is going on if each state had a
Board member in at least one CC position. It looks like they are finally
taking Bob up on his suggestion. The CO SC resigns, Board member Maggie
Zimmerman starts directing the election, and early betting is that she
will be ASC once Mary Ann Hetrick gets elected. Some MI CCs quit, who
adopts a MI county? Maggie Zimmerman again. The NY SC quits, Board member
Holly Timm takes over as interim SC. Board members have been quietly
subbed to several state lists, and more openly to others. Is anyone out
there in a state that doesn't have a Board member in it somewhere?
Fallout Corner: The Wisconsin State Coordinator, Vicki Wilson,
has resigned. One of her CCs asks, "What's happening around here? Our SC
resigns, our CC-rep resigns. Ever get the feeling something's going on
that you have *no clue* about?" To which another CC replies, "I think
the politics are finally doing in the USGenWeb. It was bound to happen
sooner or later."
Bottom Line Corner: New ads seen on R$W: American Intercontinental
University, some company called CSA-Y2K that sells travel insurance
against the Y2K bug, Office Max, and Car.com [interestingly enough,
neither Broderbund nor Ancestry appear to be advertising on RW anymore.]
"I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is
necessary, too many parasites living on the labour of the industrious."
--Thomas Jefferson, 1812
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-Teresa Lindquist
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Tuesday 14 September 1999:
The NC posts telling Ginger Cisewski that the Board's prayers are with her
and other project members in the path of Hurricane Floyd.
Typo Alert: Yesterday I noted that Holly Fee Timm is now the "interim SC"
of New York. As several of you pointed out, that should be "interim ASC".
Sorry for any confusion! [especially to those of you who wrote to me
panicked that Holly was now going to be your SC.]
Monkey See, Monkey Do: We've heard that Jen Godwin, the MIGW CC who is
most recently [in]famous for her "funding FAQ" and the article she wrote
for Forbes Online Magazine, is now holding a "graphic design competition"
for her Kent county MI page. Its kinda reminiscent of R$W's own recent
banner contest. She's asking folks to submit banner and/or logo graphics
of their own design to "represent our project online and promote our
work!" Winners get a nifty MIGW t-shirt and all submitted artwork becomes
the property of "the project" [i.e., the CC?]. It looks like anyone can
participate and the deadline is Oct 17, if you're dying to own a MIGW
t-shirt. Information can be obtained from and submissions sent to Jen
Godwin [jengod@yahoo.com] [We hear the slogan "Help Kent Pay The Rent" is
already taken.]
"Truth, like light, blinds. Falsehood, on the contrary, is a beautiful
twilight that enhances every object."
--- Albert Camus
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-Teresa Lindquist
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:29:14 -0400 (EDT)
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Crying over spilled milk...its your Daily Board Show!
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Wednesday 15 September, 1999:
Today the group talks about Fred Smoot's formal complaint regarding the
election:
Tim Stowell posts Fred Smoot's response to the question of how he wants
the Board to handle his complaint. Fred says, "The most simple way to
resolve the issue is this: If the USGenWeb Project Advisory Board will act
in good faith to require a neutral third party to conduct our future
national elections, I will withdraw my protest. ("Run-off Election: Formal
Protest," dated 31 Aug 1999)
Shari Handley asks, "How does one define a "neutral third party"? For the
sake of argument, who is to say whether anyone, *including* RootsWeb, is
or is not neutral? How would we go about trying to find another server
willing to accomodate us, work closely with the election committee, build
and maintain election software, take all the flak that is bound to fly,
and all the other things needed - for free?" She also asks if there was
any evidence that RW acted in a partial manner during the preceeding
elections.
Jim Powell asks, "If it was possible to simultaneously send the results to
3 separate servers to be compared at the end, would this be nearly the
same as a neutral third party?" He also notes, " Before you ask, I
realize that I was unclear... by results I meant as each vote was cast it
would be sent to 3 places to be stored rather than one."
Joy fisher says that by "neutral third party" she assumes Fred wants some
body other than USGW people on the election committee and running the
election, but she notes that we are not big and rich enough to afford to
hire an outside firm to run elections. She thinks that Jim's proposal has
merit.
The Board also talks about Motion 99-25, the motion to appoint a Board
secretary:
Joe Zsedeny motions:
"I move that Motion 99-2 be rescinded and that the Board appoint a
secretary for the one year term of Board II or until dismissed by Board
II or a succeeding Board. Further,
1. That the secretary nominee be selected from among the volunteer
membership of the USGenWeb Project.
2. That the nominee to this position not be currently serving as a
Board member.
3. That the nominee be nominated by the National Coordinator and
appointed by a majority vote of a quorum of the Board. Rejection of an
nominee will require the NC to forward another name.
The appointee must either be knowledgable in parlimentary procedure or
be willing to learn proper procedure using Roberts Rules and be well
versed in the Project Bylaws. Duties of the appointee shall be those
assigned by the Chair (NC). The NC shall insure that the secretary be
subscribed to all appropiate mailing lists. As a minimum these lists
would be the USGENWEB-ALL-L, STATE-COORD-L, ARCHIVES-L, the Board-Exec-L
and the Board-L."
Ginger Hayes seconds, and Tim gives it a number and opens the floor for
discussion.
Jim offers the first discussion: "At first I opposed the idea of a non
Board Member as Secretary, I wasn't sure why, I just didn't like it. It
was probably that I thought I might like to be considered for Board
Secretary and I wouldn't have that chance with this motion. Once I got
past that and really looked at the motion, I find that it is a good idea
and worthy of my support."
And finally:
The NC declares Motion 99-24, "to accept Bonnie McVicar-Briggs'
resignation", passed with 12 yes, 0 no, 3 not voting.
This Just In: The NC opened Motion 99-25 for voting this morning. This
one will almost definitely pass, since they all have already agreed to it
on the secret list. The only question now is who will get the job! [The
next question is "how long will they last?"]
"It is certain, in any case, that ignorance, allied with power, is the
most ferocious enemy justice can have."
---James Baldwin, The Price of the Ticket, 1972
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From merope@Radix.Net Sat Sep 18 20:09:48 1999
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:09:46 -0400 (EDT)
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Madder 'n a wet hen...its Your Daily Board Show!
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Thursday 16 September 1999:
Gloria Mayfield responds to Jim Powell's idea of sending voting results to
three separate servers, "...Jim's suggestions of sending to three counting
places is a great idea. I like the program that we used, it was clear,
simple, fast and easy to understand. A neutral party is someone who has no
opinion as to the outcome, one way or the other, but if three counts
result in the same outcome, then who could argue."
Terri Petit writes a very long detailed post explaining why sending votes
to three separate servers would _not_ be equivalent to having a neutral
server host the election. It basically involves someone at the server
having the access level and the ability to substitute a modified version
of the program that would change votes both in the vote file and in the
email logs. If such a program were only run sporadically, then it would
be very hard to verify by random cross-checking, and such cross-checking
would mandate actually contacting voters to verify how they voted. She
thinks its unlikely that anyone at Rootsweb would even have the time to do
such a thing, but notes, "if a significant block of voters would TRUST
software running on a neutral server more than software running on a
server with a potential interest in the election outcome, that may be
reason enough to try to find a neutral server. Not that it would make any
actual difference in the election security, but it would make a difference
in the voter confidence level." She concludes, "Having the full
confidence of all the people we represent is important." [Looks like we have a
radical on the Board!]
Tomorrow's News Today: The Board is well on its way to passing Motion
99-25, the motion for a new Board Secretary. Who do you think it will be?
"Tyrants have always some slight shade of virtue; they support the laws
before destroying them."
---Voltaire
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From merope@Radix.Net Sun Sep 19 08:09:16 1999
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 08:09:15 -0400 (EDT)
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Readers,
The following letter was posted to the editor of Forbes magazine in
response to the article published a couple of weeks ago by Jen Godwin, a
USGW CC. It is reposted here with Ms. Hammett's permission. I though
some of you might be interested in it.
-Teresa Lindquist
Publisher, Daily Board Show
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To: Editor, Forbes Magazine:
From: C. Hammett
Date: 14 Sep 1999
Re: August 20, 1999 Forbes Magazine article "It's all in the names" by
Jennifer Godwin (http://www.forbes.com/asap/html/99/0820/feat.htm)
Dear Sir/Mme.
Ms. Godwin's article leaves unfilled some rather large holes in the story
of on-line genealogy, the largest being two still-unanswered questions as
to whether Rootsweb.com, Inc. (formerly dba the RootsWeb Genealogical Data
Cooperative): (a) stole millions of bytes of data owned by amateur
researchers; and (b) solicited hundreds of thousands of dollars from these
same researchers under the guise of a non-existent non-profit status.
Although Ms. Godwin states that the California-based RootsWeb.com, Inc. is
"traditionally the least commercial of the major genealogy sites," she
neglects to mention that while still a "Cooperative," this organization
engaged in the solicitation of funds from hundreds of thousands of
researchers whose contributions were based on the beliefs that (a) the
Cooperative was not-for-profit (California Corporation Code, Section
12311(b)); and (b) the Cooperative was in the midst of incorporating as a
non-profit, including IRS 501(c)(3) tax-deductible status. (Search "18 Aug
1999" in the 1999 Archives of the MIGen List; and "retroactive" in the 1999
Archives of the L_O_A_F List at
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl)
Ms. Godwin also fails to mention Rootsweb.com, Inc.'s "retroactive
co-option" of the compilation copyright to both the USGenWeb Project's
Archives and all Mailing Lists listserved by the rootsweb.com server.
(Search "EFFECTIVELY* OWNS" in the 1999 Archives of the USGenWeb-All List;
and "retroactive" in the 1999 Archives of the L_O_A_F List at
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl)
Ms. Godwin also omits the fact that "funky, fun-lowing Rootsweb"
systematically and permanently "bans" (adds email addresses to a Global
Reject List) those listowners who have demanded the return of their mailing
list archives, and any researchers who have demanded the return of postings
under Rootsweb's most recent Acceptable Use Policy (AUP), under which
Rootsweb.com, Inc. claims retroactive, permanent rights to distribution and
re-distribution of all Mailing List and GenConnect Board postings.
As a County Coordinator for the non-profit USGenWeb Project
(http://www.usgenweb.org/), much of whose material is "hosted" by
Rootsweb.com, Inc., Ms. Godwin was fully aware of these outstanding issues
at the time she wrote her article, but may have been influenced by public
criticism of her own questionable activities regarding solicitation of
funds (Search Jennifer or Godwin or Kent or from/jengod in 1999 List
Archives for MIGenWeb and State-Coord at
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and the USGenWeb Project
Bylaws, Article IX, Sec 2, http://www.usgenweb.org/official/bylaws.html).
While Ms. Godwin may consider the problems at Rootsweb a "little
internecine battle," and unworthy of inclusion in her article, her views
are certainly not shared by hundreds of other USGenWeb Project County
Coordinators, including the author of this letter.
Sincerely,
C. Hammett
Co-Coordinator
Warren Co, TNGenWeb
http:///www.tngenweb.org/warren/
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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:43:38 -0400 (EDT)
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Friday 17 September 1999:
The NC calls for a vote on Motion 99-25, the motion to appoint a new Board
Secretary. By the end of the day 12 Board members had voted "aye" and 2
had not yet voted. [One of those two is Kay Mason, MIA since early
summer.]
"Live dangerously and you live right."
---Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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-Teresa Lindquist
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From merope@Radix.Net Sun Sep 19 22:07:20 1999
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:07:18 -0400 (EDT)
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This just in from a hard-working correspondent who wishes to remain
anonymous:
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~classifieds/genbbs.cgi/ForSale?read=727
Do not delay. It won't be there long. You can thank me after you stop
laughing.
-Teresa
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