False doctrines preached in a conference about the Second Advent of Jesus and the Jerusalem Templejerusalemtemple
Report from the Open Heavens Conference in Jerusalem
Jill Shannon
http://www.coffeetalkswithmessiah.com/
I read the above message through an email received by me. And the Holy Spirit led me to read this report and to expose the false doctrines being preached by two men of God from India and some evangelists from USA/Australia. These two men of God were chosen vessels of God for doing a great work in India. One of them had an apostolic call and the Lord had commissioned him for taking the gospel to nations like Nepal, Bhutan, etc. in a similar manner as He had called Sadhu Sundar Singh, the apostle with bleeding feet from India. I had personal fellowship with this dear servant of God in Delhi about 22 years ago when he had been visiting these nations. I had seen his missionary reports similar to the Acts of Apostles. With tears in my eyes, I write to inform that he had lost the vision of the Cross and is now embarked on a ministry of gathering the children of God in Jerusalem for preparing them for the second coming of Jesus Christ through the construction of the temple in Jerusalem. He has joined hands with some ministers of God in USA who had been subsequently deceived by the great dragon as revealed in the book of Revelation. All these ministers had been saved by Jesus Christ for proclaiming the gospel but they have now ended in a ministry of building a temple in Jerusalem which, according to them, should be hastened so as to prepare the way for the second coming of our Lord.
In the following article, I have attempted to expose their pernicious doctrines which distract the children of God from the glorious gospel and the Kingdom of Christ Jesus. I have summed up their doctrines in a nut-shell before you take time to read this long message of mine patiently.
(1) Jesus Christ was sown as a seed in the ground so that He could reproduce His family on the earth. Please note that a seed had its life and the life of a plant comes into existence through germination or metamorphosis of the seed. The death, the burial and the resurrection of Jesus cannot be compared to the life of a sown seed. The seed has its life when sown whereas the Body of Jesus was dead with no life when buried. Prayers and prophecies have to be made so that construction of the temple in Jerusalem for the Jews may be expedited so as to hasten the Second Coming of the gospel. For this purpose, the children of God have to be physically gathered in Jerusalem every year.
(2) There is going to be a greater outpouring of the Spirit in Jerusalem in accordance with the prophecy in Joel which will usher in the birth of a great group of prophets who would prepare the way of the Lord in Jerusalem in the same manner John the Baptist prepared the way of the Lord. “All flesh will prophesy”.
(3) The presence of the Lord was felt through the sense of smelling His fragrances. There was “holy anesthesia” from the Lord for healing.
(4) There were heavenly visitations giving new messages through Old Testament saints Enoch and Joshua for the Church. An Old Testament saint, Joshua gave a three fold blessing for the Church for the remainder of 2009.
(5) Summoning of the ministers of God to the Throne of God for special revelations.
(6) The Church will be taken to the higher levels. The lord, according to these preachers, will give the Church “robes of truth”, “robes of righteousness”, “clear revelation”.
(7) “Impartations of destiny” would be received in the conference to be held in Jerusalem every year.
(Please read my detailed comments in the subsequent paragraphs, prayerfully with your Bible in your hands for reference).
A dear servant of God from the USA Jill Shannon of the Open Heaven Conference, has commented about the ministries of these two servants of God who had visited Israel:
“It was extremely anointed and highly prophetic in all that was taught and shared. I am attaching here the full report that I’ve just written, to share with you the last days’ revelations that were taught by some of the finest prophetic teachers on the earth in these days. I am honored to have been there. This is a long report, but I wanted to share the depth of what we learned”.
My comments:
We have to be very careful with the so-called “last days’ revelations”. Let us judge these revelations with the Word of God, especially in the light of the New Testament truths and doctrines.
I am now dealing with the whole report containing the messages of Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj, Neville Johnson, Pastor Steven Shelley and Brother Vincent Selvakumar)
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Brother Sadhu began the teaching sessions by explaining why it was vital that we come up to Jerusalem and meet the Lord in the Holy place of His choosing (see Deut 12:11-14) It was on this mountain that Abraham offered Isaac, that the Lord Yeshua was crucified, and it is where the two witnesses will prophecy and be killed. It is to this holy city that the Lord will return and reign on the throne of His father David.
In these last days, Jerusalem will become a heavy burden to the nations (Zech. 12:2) and the Bride of Messiah must pray for the sanctification of Israel. It is vital that we pray for the Zech. 12:10 outpouring of a Spirit of grace and supplication upon Israel. This outpouring will make the way for the salvation of Israel, and the removal of the veil over her eyes. Romans 11 tells us that Israel has experienced partial blindness for the sake of the gentiles’ salvation, but when the Bride has made herself ready, the veil will be removed from Israel’s eyes.
The prophecy in Joel 2:28-29 was partially fulfilled in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost, but the final outpouring will again take place in Jerusalem. However, it will begin in Jerusalem and will be then taken out to the whole world in the greater last days’ harvest.
My comments:
The early apostles left Jerusalem and went to different parts of the world, not to return to the land of Israel. They preached the gospel in places not reached by the gospel. Many of them were persecuted and died as martyrs. They could have remained in the land of Israel to build the Temple destroyed by the Romans or to “meet the Lord in the Holy Place of His choosing”. Here is a false prophecy about the second coming of the Lord. The Lord never mentioned before His ascension into the Heaven that He would return to the holy city of Jerusalem. The Lord had mentioned in Luke 21:20 about the one of the signs of His Second Coming is that “the city of Jerusalem would be compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh”. He had never said that construction of the temple in Jerusalem would be one of the signs of His Second Coming. When His apostles asked Him for the signs of His second warning, He firstly warned them against being deceived by false prophets and false Christs. He did predict the destruction of the temple which had been subsequently fulfilled with the Romans setting the temple on fire (Matt. 24:2).
The reference in Duet.12:11-14 does not say that the Lord had chosen Jerusalem for His second coming. It is about the Promised Land for the Israelites in flesh and about “a place which the Lord your God shall choose to cause His Name to dwell there”. It was the place meant for the offerings and the sacrifices of the children of Israel. Nobody should add to the Scriptures or misinterpret the same.
The initial outpouring of the Spirit as per Joel 2:28-29 was given by the Lord in Jerusalem because the 120 disciples were gathered in that city. If they had gathered in some other town, they would have definitely received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. It is not the place but the gathering of the children of God with one accord that led to the initial outpouring of the Spirit. Further, it was the maiden coming of the Holy Spirit which would not be repeated time and again. It was a historical event in the church history. The Holy Spirit who came on the day of Pentecost is still with us. Still the Lord is pouring out His Spirit on those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior. It is a false doctrine if someone preaches that the Lord will pour out His Spirit finally on the people in the city of Jerusalem. If this false doctrine is to be believed, the people all over the world have to be gathered physically in the city of Jerusalem for this final outpouring. Jesus said that the end of this world would come only when the gospel is preached in all the parts of the world. He had never said that the outpouring of the Spirit in Jerusalem in the last days would bring salvation to the whole world for the end-time harvest. It is the preaching of the gospel with all the urgency in every nook and corner of the world and not the anointing that will expedite the Second Coming of the Lord. When preach the gospel, the anointing comes upon the people who hear the gospel and accept Jesus as their Savior.
The author has exhorted us to pray for the salvation of Israel. Yes, we should pray for the salvation of Jews.
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Sadhu has been commissioned by the Lord to convene this gathering of the nations to Jerusalem every year. At this conference, we will receive impartations of destiny in our roles as a holy company of prophets, priests, intercessors, and those who are entrusted with governmental authority. All of you who desire to be a part of this last days’ Joel 2:28 prophetic anointing should pray about attending this conference next year. It is not like any other conference, and the Presence of the Lord and His hosts is unusually strong.
Neville Johnson {from Australia} shared that recently, he has been summoned to the Throne of God many times, and has been shown how good and evil are maturing rapidly. Evil will reach frightening proportions in the earth. In the midst of this, a great outpouring of the Holy Spirit will take place, and the sons of the kingdom will quickly mature. He spoke about the epic struggle between the seed of the woman and seed of the serpent. The enemy did not want the Gen. 3:15 prophecy to come to pass. He began to do many wicked and murderous things through the ages to prevent the seed of the woman (Yeshua) from being born, and to keep Him from accomplishing redemption on the cross. Some of Satan’s strategies included: the murder of Abel; the corruption of the pure genealogy of Messiah’s ancestry through the fallen angels co-mingling their seed with women.
My comments:
The Lord does not contract His word in the gospels. He has commissioned all of us to preach the gospel in every part of the world. This is the great commission. It is a great deception if a minister of God under the New Covenant claims to have been commissioned by the Lord to gather the nations in Jerusalem every year. Here, in a conference which is arranged by some ministers of God, how can we expect the Holy Spirit to give us “impartations of destiny in our roles as a holy company of…….with governmental authority”? The Holy Spirit has already defined the role of every member of the Body of Christ. We do not read His word but believe in such false prophecies. If through a conference like this, the human beings would be receiving “impartations of destiny”, then there was not need for the Christ to be born, to die and to rise from the dead. Can you and I also arrange some conference and expect the Holy Spirit to fall in line with our desire of “imparting destiny”? Beware of such a false doctrine!
We see in Rev.12:5 that the Man Child Who was given birth by the nation of Israel (a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet……) was “caught up unto God, and to His Throne”. No human being, howsoever holy, cannot claim to have been summoned to the Throne of God under the New Covenant because the Holy Spirit has already taken abode in the hearts of the children of God under the New Covenant. If Neville Johnson {from Australia} says he had been taken to the Throne of God many times because God wanted to show him how good and evil were maturing rapidly, it is a great deception only. God does not tell a mortal man how He allows the wicked and the good to grow rapidly by taking him to His throne.
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(Genesis 6). Although evil filled the earth, the Lord had preserved an uncorrupted family line, and we read that “Noah was pure in his generations.” He found favor in the eyes of the Lord, and although the flood destroyed all life, Noah’s seed was preserved for the sake of the redemption of mankind. Pharaoh’s genocide of the Hebrew babies was part of Satan’s plan, but the Lord preserved baby Moses, who rescued the Hebrews from slavery. Thus the seed of Messiah could thrive in their own land until the time had come for Messiah to be born.
In 2 Chronicles 22:12, we see the wicked Queen Mother Athalia murder of all the royal seed of Judah. But the Lord hid baby Joash until he was a child who could take the throne, thus thwarting Satan’s plan to destroy the kings of Judah. Finally, the wicked King Herod killed all the baby boys in Bethlehem in another attempt to stop the seed of the woman from crushing the serpent’s head. But the Lord hid baby Yeshua in Egypt, and brought Him forth in the right moment.
Neville taught on this last generation, in which we would see the “sons of the kingdom” (male and female believers) mature into the full measure of the stature of the Lord Jesus. This group of overcomers will be the holy seed of Messiah, His offspring. They are the “good seed” which the Son of Man sowed on the earth in His generation. This good and fruitful crop will be in His likeness, formed in His image, just as a seed can only reproduce its own kind (Matt. 13). This company will be like Him in every way, and will do the works that the Lord Jesus did, and even greater works, because of this final outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The grace to become these mature sons of the kingdom is available to ALL believers in the Lord who allow the Lord to cleanse our hearts fully. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.”
The Son of Man gave His life, as a seed sowed in the ground, which would reproduce His own family into the earth. He had no physical children, but knew that “He would see His seed and prolong His days on the earth,” (Psalm 22:30, Isa.53:10). The bad seed, the sons of the evil one, will always try to destroy the good seed, just as the tares competed with the good crop until the end of the age.
My comments:
No doubt, the whole creature is awaiting the manifestation of the sons of God which will take place on the Second Coming of our Lord when we would put on the incorruptible body. Even now, the disciples of the Lord who abide in Christ Jesus do the “greater works”. The job of doing “greater works” has commenced from the first century itself. It is a great deception that some children of God in the end-time are being commissioned by God for the final outpouring of the Spirit which will make them “super heroes” in the eyes of the world and which will make them grow into the full measure of the stature of the Lord Jesus Christ. People saw Jesus in the life of Sadhu Sundar Singh and many other saints of God. It is for God to measure or judge on a child of God growing into the full measure of the stature of the Lord Jesus.
The teaching that the Son of Man was sown as a seed in the ground is absolutely false. This means that Jesus Christ was buried alive in the ground as a seed. Even the Koran says that Jesus was not crucified on the Cross and had escaped crucifixion. The Son of Man had never given His life as a seed sown in the ground. A seed with life is sown in the ground and it gives birth to life in a plant through germination. Jesus died and His lifeless Body was buried. The same Body of Jesus was resurrected from the dead. Another pernicious doctrine is that Jesus would reproduce His own family on the earth through such metamorphosis. The author says, ”He had no physical children, but knew that “He would see His seed and prolong His days on the earth,” (Psalm 22:30, Isa.53:10)”. Let us note that “the remnant of the seed of the woman” is the seed of the Son of God, the universal Body of Christ and the Church as the seed will be on the earth. They keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (Rev.12:17). No power can destroy this seed. The seed does not refer to any special type of people of God who will make a debut in the last days. The author claims to have discovered a truth that Jesus had no physical children and uses the word “but” as if he is vouchsafing for this Biblical truth. He says that Jesus knew this truth as if this was in His knowledge. What a travesty of the Word of God!
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Neville was told by Enoch in a visit to Heaven, “When you see the foundations of the new Temple laid in Israel, you will see the sons of God beginning to come to maturity.” Every great move of God in His church has always run parallel to a prophetic event taking place in Israel. So it will be with the rebuilding of the physical temple in Jerusalem. As Israel finally builds the Lord’s house, so the Lord will be building His living house with living stones, His last days’ royal priesthood.
My comments:
Neville was told a truth by an Old Testament saint Enoch during the former’s visit to Heaven! Was this truth hidden from the apostles and prophets who were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write the gospels and the epistles and particularly from John who had received the last word of prophecy as a revelation on the Patmos? Why Neville cannot read the New Testament books to know about what the Lord and the apostles taught? It all required a visit by Neville to the Heaven to learn this new truth! In the Heaven, he could have met the New Testament saints to know about what they taught during their life time. The Lord has already built His living house in the Body of Christ. We are being built as the living stones in this House not made with human hands. In Jesus Christ, we are being built together for a habitation of God through the Spirit (Eph.2:21-22). The New Testament priesthood came into existence when Christ died on the Cross and the curtain of the Most Holy Place was rent in twain (Matt.27:51). Those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord have already entered the Most Holy Place in the Temple built with the hands of God. If there is any last days “royal priesthood”, it will be only for the Antichrist. If building of the temple is the sign of the Second Coming of the Lord, the Lord would have mentioned this in the gospels. Do not quote some scripture in the Old Testament to prove your pernicious doctrine and to add to the words of Jesus!
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Sadhu had obtained favor and permission from the Israeli police for our entire group to go up to the temple mount and pray fervently for the rebuilding of the third temple. The Lord revealed to Sadhu that it was His will for this new temple to be built quickly, even though the Orthodox do not know their Messiah yet. Many people think that the Islamic golden Dome of the Rock will have to be destroyed before the temple can be built. However, this is not the case.
My comments:
Let us pray fervently for the Lord to send His workers to the field for harvest and for the revival of our churches in these last days. We need not pray for the rebuilding of the third temple with bricks and stones. How the children of God are being misled by some evangelists!
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Revelation 11 says that the angel told John to measure the temple and its worshipers, but not to measure the outer court, which is pre-determined to be trampled by the gentiles for 42 months. This has been researched by author Grant Jeffreys in his book, “The New Temple and the Second Coming.” He demonstrates that both the new temple and the Dome of the Rock will occupy the temple mount at the same time. The temple will be 100 yards to the north of the Dome, placing it in the true location of Solomon’s temple. This location is the place where Abraham offered Isaac, The Dome will remain in what would be the “outer court” of the new temple. This outer court will remain in gentile hands for those last 3 ½ years, as the angel told John. It helps us to know that we do not have to wait until this Islamic shrine is destroyed, but rather that the temple can be rebuilt at the time of the Lord’s choosing. It is important to the Lord that the temple is built quickly, for the fulfillment of prophecy. This will pave the way for the salvation of Israel and the maturing of the Bridal company. Even though the antichrist will occupy and defile this temple for a season, it is still necessary that it be re-established as the House of the Lord in Jerusalem.
My comments:
Let us measure the Temple and its worshipers here with the measuring rod of judgment. Are you concerned about the building of a physical temple and the Dome of the Rock more than the preaching of the gospel and the salvation of lost souls? Are these preachers of false doctrines preparing you for the ministry of the gospel or for the ushering in of a kingdom for the Antichrist? The bride of the Christ is being made perfect through the furnace of afflictions and through the constant fellowship with the Bridegroom and not through the building of some temple in Jerusalem. If salvation of Israel is the concern of these ministers, let them preach the gospel to the Jews. But they celebrate the Jewish festivals which will be a hindrance for the Jews to come to the saving knowledge of Christ Jesus. If the Jews believe through the false teachings of these ministers that observance of the feasts leads to their salvation under the Old Covenant, then the death and resurrection of Jesus for them would be in vain for His beloved people in the physical Israel.
The author has written that the antichrist will occupy and defile this temple for a season. The spirit of the Antichrist is already in the world (I John 4:4). He has already defiled the temple of God in our lives through the abominable sins which are prevalent amongst the children of God, who take the Name of Jesus Christ. The abomination of desolation as spoken by Daniel has already been set in the Temple of God, not made with human hands. This is the clear sign of the Second Coming of our Lord.
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Neville continued to share that the following years will bring unprecedented changes in governments, political systems, monetary systems, banking, and the formation of a world military, a world church, and a world government arising out of Europe. By 2012, things will be very different from the current situation. It will be a “tale of two kingdoms,” the kingdom of the beast system (Rev. 13:1) and the kingdom of God. There will be great and terrible conflict between the seed of the woman and the system that is arising. Satan will be pushing for “unity” but God will bring division, and there will be no gray area, no middle ground of compromise. There will be a sharp division between the kingdom of darkness and the sons of light.
The church must be purified to higher levels to survive the evils that are coming, including terrible viruses and plagues which have been genetically engineered to “cull” the over-population. Those believers who truly abide in the secret place of the Most High will be kept supernaturally protected under the invisible shield of the blood of Yeshua. But the lukewarm will be devastated by the wickedness and plagues and natural disasters that will come.
My comments:
The Church, the Body of Christ has already been glorified and Christ has given His glory to the Church. We are already seated with Christ in the heavenly places and there is no need for us to ascend into the Heaven above our Lord so as to fall from the heaven like Lucifer (Eph.2:6). The division between the kingdom of darkness and the sons of the light is already there.
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The Rapture cannot take place at any moment, because the Lord is coming for a perfect Bride (Rev. 19). The deception of believing that the Rapture could come at any moment will cause many to lose their lives in the coming disasters. They will not make themselves ready to stand firm in the face of terrible pressure to conform to the demands of the beast system. They will be living compromised lives, just waiting and hoping for the early escape of the Rapture, not realizing that only the Bride who has made herself ready will go up in the Rapture.
The fate of nations will be determined by their attitude towards Israel. Neville was shown that nations will lose their jurisdiction, and a world court will have power to punish nations who do not conform to this global government. America will see revival and will decline as a world power. However, there will be places of refuge for Jewish people and Christians all around the world, covered by an invisible “dome” made of the blood of Yeshua. No one will be allowed to enter except those who abide under the shadow of the Almighty. But those inside can come in and go out as needed for ministry.
My comments:
I do not want to deal with the doctrine of the Rapture here. The whole trust of this message is on building a political kingdom in the land of Israel, and not on the building of the Kingdom of Christ in places not reached by the gospel. If the political rulers of Israel annihilate the women and children of their neighbors, do we have to take a stand to support their “just” war against their neighbors, much against the doctrine of Christ Jesus for loving our enemies? Do these preachers want the Church to take side with some political rulers who have not accepted Jesus as their Savior?
According to these preachers, there will be no refuge for Muslims and other non-Christians under the Blood of Jesus Christ, except Jewish people and Christians! Will there be another “invisible dome made of the blood of Yeshua” in the last days, in addition to the sole and only refuge under the blood of Jesus Christ? Let us now judge ourselves through the measuring rod in our hands as to for whose coming these preachers are making the way.
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Neville was shown that those who make up the “cloud of witnesses” wish that they had been born in this hour. It is a huge privilege to be living in this last generation. Our generation is responsible to finish what they began. They sowed but we must reap the harvest. Neville saw 4 fearsome fallen angels on the four corners of the earth, drawing the world into this evil confederation. Europe will be a haven for the antichrist. It is vital that believers learn what it means to abide in the shadow of the Almighty. It will mean protection and safety in great darkness and danger.
My comments:
The cloud of witnesses is those who have died in Christ Jesus and they do not make any wish to any human being. They had run their races for Christ Jesus and are now in His presence. How can Neville say that we form part of the last generation. Tomorrow, he will say that Jesus will come within 3 months or so. Can we believe him and Sadhu without reading what Jesus said about the signs of His second coming? The world is already lying in the evil confederation which needs to be rescued through the preaching of the gospel. The spirit of the Antichrist is already in the world, not confined to Europe (I John 4:4).
The Lord will send the Seraphim to His churches, which will come as a burning fire of purification, repentance, and cleansing. In Hebrew, the word “Seraph” means “Burning One.” Just as the Seraph touched Isaiah’s lips with burning coals from God’s fire, so they will purge our hearts and lips. Those whose hearts are fully toward the Lord will receive this baptism of fire, which will change us greatly. Things that took years of counseling to overcome, will be purged from us in an instant. That is the effect that the Seraphim have when they enter a room or a meeting. Instant conviction and holiness come with the fire.
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Revelation given to Pastor Steven Shelley on Yom Kippur, 2009:
We read in Zech. 3:1-10 about a high priest named Joshua, who is seen standing before God’s throne in filthy clothes, with Satan standing by, accusing him. The Bible commentaries are uncertain as to whether this man is a true historical high priest, or if he is merely a “symbol” of Israel. However, this Joshua really existed as high priest, and his stained garments did not represent his own sin, but rather the stains of Babylon and the lies and confusion staining the people of God. A few chapters later in Zechariah, we also see that this Joshua whom Zechariah was shown in a vision in heaven, really existed.
Recently, while in Jerusalem, Steven Shelley had a visitation. He saw an open portal, and through it stepped a man in white priestly garments with a shining white turban on his head. Steven asked him if he was Zechariah. The man replied, “No. I am Joshua, High Priest of the Most High whom you just read about.” This caused Steven to weep.
Joshua said, “I have come to teach you the prophetic significance of this Scripture for your day. There is about to be a cleansing in the Lord’s body. There will be changes of garment. Filthy priestly robes stained with the confusion of Babylon will be snatched away, and pure, clean garments of righteousness will be given to those called to impact our generation.”
Steven Shelley then explained to us about the false religious system that has influenced the body of Christ away from the reality of the Scriptures. As Jeremiah wrote, “We have inherited lies.” We have believed in traditions. The Lord will snatch away from us the robes of confusion, robes spotted with the ideas of man.
We will be given robes of truth, which will shine with brightness. We will receive clear revelation. The Lord of Hosts is coming to His people to give us robes of righteousness. We have to be willing to be stripped of our spotted garments. It is not easy, since we have become comfortable with our covering. The church doesn’t realize the influence of Babylon which covers us. We convince ourselves that we are right. We are distracted, and are nearly deceived, Pastor Shelley taught.
Joshua was given “festal robes.” When we are dressed in these royal robes, we will be able to function as prophets, priests and kings. There will be an attitude change in the Body for this new season. We will have an attitude of JOY, which is not the same as happiness. This change in garments will involve a full restoration of the spoken creative word of God. But we must be trusted with the full authority of this spoken word. As soon as we are aligned with the Lord’s purposes, as soon as He can trust us and our motives, we will be given this authority.
We must take off the old turban, which represents old thought processes. This is no longer the church age, but is now the Kingdom age, and we must put on God’s model for ministry. It will be Presence-Driven ministry.
Joshua said, “The Lord is getting ready to send forth His firebrands, who have been snatched from Holy Fire. Like torches that light the way of others, they will stir the barely glowing embers of revival.” We will be firebrands who stir the fire.
My comments:
Here is a New Testament minister getting heavenly revelations about the body of Joshua, the High priest. This “Joshua” in the vision talks about giving of festal robes for the children of God redeemed by the precious blood of Jesus Christ, who are of the Priesthood of the New Covenant, and about giving of “robes of truth, which will shine with brightness” with the result that we “will receive clear revelation”. The lady minister says that “the Lord of Hosts is coming to His people to give us robes of righteousness”. All these “revelations” show us that another jesus or savior is on the way. The Lord had already come to His people to be rejected by them, to die on the Cross, to be buried and to resurrect from the dead so that we are clothed with his robes of righteousness. Who is this another person who is going to come?
She says that there is no church age and that this is only a kingdom age. This negates the great truth about the existence of Church the Body of Christ and about the need to preach the gospel to the lost. This message exhorts us to build another false kingdom for the Antichrist and the false prophet. The Body of Christ and the Kingdom of God/Christ are inseparable. It is through the Body of Christ that the Kingdom of God is being built.
According to this preacher, it will be a “God’s model for ministry” and “Presence-Driven ministry”. God has not given any model for ministry. He has given His Son for our salvation. Under the Old Testament, God had given a model for building the Temple. Under the New Testament, Jesus performed His ministry of teaching, healing the sick and delivering the people from the evil spirits/demons. After the birth of the Church, God has appointed various ministers in His body. We are supposed to follow Jesus Christ and to fulfill His great commission. The life of Jesus is our model. Every ministry in the Body of Christ is unique and is different from the other. There is no God’s model for ministry. I cannot do the ministry of Apostle Paul or that of Sadhu Sundar Singh. But their life is a model for us.
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The remainder of 2009 will be the transition for the breaking forth in 2010. In verse 7, Joshua is given a three-fold blessing:
1) You will judge My house
2) You will guard My courts
3) You will be granted to walk among those who are standing here in heaven.
These are the cloud of witnesses. The promise is given that we will have governing authority and administrative privileges. These three promises mean we will be granted free access to the heavenly realms. The mysteries and secrets and treasures of heaven will be released to His Body, to every one who positions himself to receive this authority.
Steven said, “You don’t have to die to go to heaven.”
My comments:
If an old testament saint appears in a vision to this lady preacher and gives these blessings to the Church which, reportedly, have not been so far given to the Church, you should know the source of such revelations. During 2010, if we have to receive these three promises, what about the thousands of preachers who had prophesied on the New Year quoting the Scriptures and pronouncing blessings upon the children of God? Our governing authority in the invisible Kingdom of Christ flows from the power of the Holy Spirit. We need not position ourselves to receive this authority. We have already received this authority by faith. We do not have any “such administrative privileges” in the Kingdom of Christ because we are all called to be servants serving one another in the same Body. What more mysteries, secrets and treasures of heaven will be released to the Body of Christ Jesus than that already given to us through the Spirit? The fault with us is that we do not read His Word and understand His secrets and treasures in His Word.
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Steven Brooks gave an awesome teaching about the spices/fragrances that made up the holy incense which was burned before the Lord in the temple. All of these fragrances represent the combined ministry of the Lord Jesus. When He is present in a room, certain ones of these fragrances can often be smelled by people who are sensitive to the fragrances of the Lord. The passage says to take sweet spices, and names the following plants: First, the myrrh, which holds all the others together. A gardener will pierce the myrrh tree with a sharp knife, and oil will ooze out of the wounds in the tree. This oil will harden into a resin on the outside of the tree, and these clumps of resin form in the shape of teardrops. A different gardener will then scrape off the “tears” and he is called a “tear collector.” This represents our bitter experiences in life. Later, the Lord will turn these “tears” into sweet rewards in our lives.
The second plant is called onycha, which is a disinfectant. It has that clean, “hospital” smell, as if someone is disinfecting the room. Steven has smelled this in meetings where many people are being healed and cleansed from infections and invasive diseases.
As a brief personal testimony, let me just share this: Several days before this conference, I was with a tour group and we were up on the Golan Heights, and the temperature was near freezing. I got a chill that day, and began to feel ill, with a lumpy throat, and that sick, flu-like feeling in my body for a few days.
The night after Steven Brooks shared about these fragrances, I was sitting in the meeting, listening to Vincent Selvakumar preaching. From the beginning, I could smell this disinfectant smell in the room. I didn’t know if anyone else could smell it. Later, I found out certain others smelled it too. For over an hour I smelled this unique scent. I wondered if the Lord might be healing whatever virus or infection was making me feel so sick and exhausted, and with my throat feeling bad. As soon as I wondered about this, I tried swallowing, and the pain in my throat was gone! I then noticed that from that point on, I never again felt that flu-like symptom in my body. Praise the Lord, I believe He sent His heavenly onycha, exactly as Brother Steven Brooks had preached.
My comments:
Here is a great deception to know the Lord through the sense of smelling. The preacher says that she had felt this fragrance when she listened to Vincent Selvakumar preaching. Which jesus these preachers are presenting to the Church in these last days? This jesus manifests himself when we shout or when we dance in a hysterical manner. She has claimed to receive healing through smelling of this fragrance. I need not write further as you have to judge the remaining portions of her message.
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The third is called galbanum, which has a numbing or anesthetic effect on the body. It is like the Lord is giving you holy anesthesia before doing a deep work of healing on your soul or body. I have actually experienced this anesthesia on one occasion, where I was suffering a deep and inconsolable grief before the Lord. As I tried to talk to the Lord about my grief, I felt this numbing feeling come over my body, as if I were going under anesthesia, although I had never heard of galbanum, nor did I smell any fragrance. I remained in a restful state for about 20 minutes before the Lord, and when I came out of it, all the emotional pain and grief were gone, and did not return ever again.
My comments:
Here is a great deception that makes us feel the presence of the Lord through “holy anesthesia”. What is this “holy anesthesia”? Did the heal the sick and deliver the people from demons through this “holy anesthesia”? I need not write further as you have to judge the remaining portions of her message.
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The fourth spice is frankincense. This plant is from India, and has a fruity, citrus smell. This represents the blessings and rewards of our walk with God. I have smelled this fragrance once or twice, and it felt like a summer citrus fragrance on a warm breeze. Even though on one occasion I was sitting in my cold bedroom, I felt for a few moments like I was in a tropical garden, with a warm breeze and a scent of citrus in the air. I thought I was smelling the air of heaven! I guess it could have been frankincense. Each of these spices represents part of the Lord’s character and ministry to us.
My comments:
Spices do represent the characters of our Lord as mentioned in the Song of Songs. But does the act of “feeling” or “smelling” of fragrances of spices prove His presence in our lives? The devil can make us feel or smell fragrances of spices even when we live in the sin. I need not write further as you have to judge the remaining portions of her message.
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Teachings by Vincent Selvakumar:
Brother Vincent preached in Tamil while Brother Sadhu translated for us into English. He gave an amazing series of teachings on the special Last Days’ anointing, which is unique and different from the anointing of the New Testament Church which they received at Pentecost.
My comments:
God has anointed the Church, the Body of Christ with His Spirit and we have also received the Holy Spirit individually when we accepted Jesus as our Savior. We have received His anointing for the specific ministries. I have received the prophetic anointing when the Lord put me into this ministry. I am not going to receive any other or special anointing which is different from the anointing that I have already received. Here, the preacher says that we will receive an anointing which is unique and different from the anointing of the New Testament church, the Body of Christ. The Holy Spirit is a Person and not a power. He indwells the members of His body redeemed by the precious blood of Jesus.
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For each particular phase of history, or era of God’s redemptive plans, there is special anointing that is related to God’s unique workings or dealings during that period. He spoke about the difference between the End Times and the Last Days’ anointing. The End Times, in Vincent’s approach, are the large time period beginning with Pentecost and completing what is known as “The Church Age.” However, he said that the Last Days’ refers to the very END of the End Times period.
Referring to Joel 2:28-29, he shared that Joel is referring only to a Prophetic Anointing, as you read Joel’s prophecy. Seeing visions, dreaming dreams, young and old, servants and handmaidens, Jew and Gentile…all flesh will prophesy. All believers who have positioned themselves for this move of God, will receive the necessary Prophetic anointing to prepare the way for the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus.
My comments:
The power of the Holy Spirit remains the same from the birth of the Church till the second advent of Jesus Christ. When the Holy Spirit comes upon us, we receive power to preach the gospel through signs and wonders. Let Vincent Selvakumar read the above Bible verse carefully. It does not say, “all flesh will prophesy”. God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh and our sons shall see dreams and our daughters shall prophesy. Apostles receive apostolic anointing, prophets receive prophetic anointing, evangelists receive evangelical anointing, teachers receive teaching anointing, etc. An engineer who loves the Lord and His body can be a prophet. A teacher who has gone to a town or village for the sake of the gospel can be an apostle. A housewife who preaches the gospel to her neighbors can be an evangelist.
All believers can prophesy but all are not prophets. Read the Pauline epistle to Corinthians. The gift of prophecy is different from the prophetic ministry. The believers need not position themselves for this move of God to receive the necessary prophetic anointing. It is for God to appoint some as apostles, some as prophets. And it is not for the believers to choose the ministries.
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For the Lord’s first coming, God selected one prophet, a voice crying in the wilderness, to prepare Israel for Messiah’s first coming. This was, of course, John the Immerser (“Baptist”).
Why was John declared to be the greatest prophet on earth, of those born of women? Vincent pointed out that the other prophets prophesied much more prophetic words than John, and Elijah did far greater miracles than John. John barely prophesied at all, and seemed not to do any great miracles. Why, then, did the Lord declare him to be the greatest prophet?
It is because he pointed his finger at the actual Man Yeshua, and said, “Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world.” While all the other prophets talked about what Messiah would do when He came, and what signs to look for, John actually identified the Lamb to his generation. He prophesied the greatest thing of all, by saying, “This is it! Here is the Lamb that will remove sins from the world!”
My comments:
Let Vincent Selvakumar meditate on the prophecies made by John the Baptist. Prophesies do not mean only prediction or telling about the signs of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ which have already been spoken by Jesus Himself. John resisted the immoral king who lived in the sin of adultery. He paid a great price through his own life for exposing the sin of adultery by a king. Did you speak about the judgment that comes upon those people who have divorced their spouses and remarried other persons during the life time of the spouses divorced in America wherein you were invited to speak? Miracles are not the sign of a prophet.
I agree with Vincent that it was the prophecy of John the Baptist pointing to Jesus as the Lamb of God that also made him a great prophet.
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However, since the Lord Jesus only came to a small people group in a small region, only one prophet was needed to prophesy and announce His first coming as the Lamb. However, the 2nd coming will be a global event of enormous scope and events and consequences. The whole world, every single person on earth will see the 2nd coming. Therefore, it will take more than one prophet crying out in the wilderness, identifying the signs of the second coming. Saying, “Here is the Judge of all the Earth! Repent, get ready! He is coming, not as a Lamb, but as the King of the Universe! You must accept Him and love Him and recognize Him before it is too late.”
That is why the Joel 2:28 anointing is a prophetic anointing, not a 5-fold ministry gift anointing. It is only the prophets who can announce and prophesy the second coming of the Lord. Remember, even Jesus needed to be washed and baptized by John, because a Priest needed to be anointed by a Prophet. The Lord Jesus was not baptized because of the need to repent. He said, “Let it be, for it is fitting to fulfill all righteousness.” In saying this, the Lord meant that as a Priest who would offer His own blood, He needed to be anointed by a Prophet. That is why John had to immerse Him as the Lamb who would give His blood on the altar, the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world.
My comments:
No prophets are required to announce the second coming of Jesus Christ. Jesus, the Prophet of Nazareth Himself spoke about that event. Of course, a small group of the children of God who have no titles, no big names but remain in the wilderness do prepare the way of the second coming of Jesus by exposing false doctrines and by turning the hearts of the spiritual children (who have become wayward) to their spiritual forefathers who had been responsible for founding the Church during the New Testament period and by turning the hearts of the spiritual elders in the Body of Christ to the young believers i.e. the young children of God who need to be nurtured in the Word (Malachi 4:6). They are ordinary people like John the Baptist who had any special pulpit or any resource. They may sit on the “pews” or work with their own hands, earning a livelihood. A housewife who spends the time in intercessory prayers and in ministering to the poor saints may be one of them. A software engineer who sacrificially gives to the missionaries working in places not reached by the gospel may be one of them. But, they are like the nameless Seraphims in the prophetic vision of Isaiah who form part of the Throne of God. Theirs is a restoration ministry turning our hearts to our spiritual forefathers and turning the hearts of the spiritual fathers to the hearts of their spiritual children who are in captivity.
Vincent is preaching a false doctrine that Jesus had to be anointed by a prophet before He could offer His own blood. Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit immediately after the baptism given by John. He was not to be anointed with oil by a prophet of the Old Covenant, i.e. John the Baptist. Jesus submitted Himself to the baptism by John because all righteousness was to be fulfilled through this baptism.
Vicent says that there is no five fold ministry gift and there is only a prophetic anointing. Let him know by studying the Pauline epistles that the five types of ministries are indeed offices and not a single gift.
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It is the same with the second coming, only this time, it is a huge COMPANY of prophets who will anoint the coming King, not merely one man. It is only the prophets who can identify the Son of God to this lost world as they will be immersed in a dark and deceptive beastly world system, world religion and world government. So instead of one voice in the wilderness, the Lord is raising up a huge company of prophets. In fact, every single one of His true Bride must become a prophet to the nations!
My comments:
Who is huge company of prophets who are going to anoint the coming King with the oil of the New Testament? Can you and I anoint Jesus with the oil of the Old Covenant? Vincent preaches that it is only the prophets who can identify the Son of God to this lost world. As a teacher of the Word, let him know that the apostles are appointed in the first place by God and prophets in the second place in the same Body of Christ. Of course, every child of God is a prophet to the nations because he or she has the message of God i.e. glorious gospel. But all are not prophets. All are not apostles. Does Vincent try to alter the New Testament epistles of Paul about the five types of ministries? We, the children of God, are not supposed to identify Jesus Christ to the lost world as exhorted by my dear brother Vincent. Jesus had already come to the world. What we have to do is to preach Him crucified. The same Jesus is going to come again whom we need not identify.
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This is the Joel 2:28 outpouring and it will begin in Jerusalem! This is what Joel wrote…that we will ALL prophesy, and all flesh will see the Lord’s return. This is a different working of God in these last days, and it will require the prophetic anointing for this Kingdom Age, rather than the 5-fold gift anointing which we enjoyed throughout the “Church Age.” We are coming to the close of the church age and entering the Kingdom Age. God is doing new things, and we must walk with Him, by being in agreement with His plans and in alignment with His workings. “If two are not agreed, how can they walk together?” Thus, to walk with God we must be in agreement with God!!
My comments:
I have already dealt with the false doctrine regarding Church and Kingdom ages.
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Brother Vincent talked about what it is like to live in your spirit man, rather than in your flesh. He described it as a frightened turtle, who usually keeps his little head tucked safely inside his shell. His head is our spirit man, only peeking out once in a while. His protective shell is our fleshly and soulish man, with our spirit hiding inside. Our spirit longs to peek out and this is the “real us” but we only come out a little, and then withdraw back into our shell. He said that the shell must be broken for the spirit to be freed up to move in the heavenly realms.
Vincent talked a lot about spirit travel, which we see in the book of Ezekiel quite a few times, where Ezekiel was taken places in his spirit to observe certain abominations that Israel was committing so that he would be a witness of the evil and could therefore testify that God was righteous to judge Jerusalem. Sometimes, he was transported in his body, and other times, only his spirit traveled to other places. In Acts, we see that Philip is transported in his body to another location, after sharing with the Ethiopian. Also, Paul says that when he was taken to heaven, he did not know if he traveled in his body or in his spirit. We also see the apostle John taken up to heaven in the book of Revelation.
Vincent shared many of his experiences with spirit travel. Usually, they are for the purpose of interceding for someone who desperately needs prayer. In some cases, a person on their deathbed is struggling to hold onto their faith at the moment of death, as Satan accuses them and weakens their faith, while the angels are trying to convince them that the salvation of Jesus is stronger than all their past sins. So when Vincent is taken there, it is so he can pray for this soul, that their faith will not waver, and Satan will not win the battle to convince them that they are condemned.
Another reason Vincent is taken to places is to observe terrible sinful behavior in certain places, so that the Lord can show him the judgments He intents to inflict on that town or city. He wants Vincent to simply be a witness that these abominations were taking place, and that God is utterly just when he judges them.
My comments:
If Vincent had experienced any such visions of visiting sick or dying people for praying for them, there is nothing to boast here. Philip was transported in his body because he was led by the Holy Spirit to preach the gospel in many places not reached by the gospel after baptizing the Ethiopian. He did not try to make him a partner for his ministry. He did not covet the purse of the Ethiopian.
Under the New Covenant, we are not to be witnesses to any abominable sins being committed. We are supposed to warn the people who live in such sins and to turn them to Christ Jesus for their salvation. Vincent cannot be compared to the prophet Isaiah who had seen in the vision the abominations taking place in the Temple. Under the New Covenant, he has to warn the people of God who indulge in the abominable sins like adultery, etc. Can Vincent Selvakumar name the towns or cities which were destroyed by God after he had seen such visions?
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As a side note, I have heard on other occasions, Pastor Steven Shelley share not only about spirit travel, but also about physical travel. On at least one occasion, Pastor Shelley was taken to a different location in his physical body (as was Philip) to intercede for a family outside of their home. When he was returned to his own house, he had mud between his toes from the property where he was interceding.
My comments:
All such extra-biblical revelations have to be examined carefully by the children of God before believing in such things. We need discernment in the Holy Spirit and such revelations need to be confirmed by the other members of the Body of Christ. What was the result of such a physical travel of his body? It should not merely the mud on his toes but the salvation or the blessing that the said family had received from God in response to the intercession of Pastor Steven Shelley that should matter here.
I do believe in dreams and visions as mentioned in the book of Joel 2:28. The Holy Spirit still speaks to His people through dreams and visions. But such dreams and visions should be subjected to the litmus test in the Word of God. God does give us visions which, if interpreted, would edify or warn the children of God.
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Rick Joyner has also shared on Sid Roth’s TV show that on at least one occasion, his car was transported to a meeting he was late for, supernaturally bypassing hours of traffic. This “traffic transport in the Spirit” has also been publicly reported by David Herzog, and also by a couple we have met in Jerusalem, who have experienced their car being taken to their destination in half the time, without the gasoline being diminished by the normal amount required by that particular distance.
All of the speakers at this conference told those of us who had come to Jerusalem, that this great last days’ outpouring would begin in Jerusalem, just as it did on the day of Pentecost. This particular conference was chosen by God to be a platform for this great last days’ anointing to be poured out, and then taken out to the ends of the earth by those who received it in Jerusalem.
This is the city where the Lord CHOSE for His Name to dwell. This is the place the Lord has chosen, and that is why His Holy Spirit was poured out first in this city, and will be poured out again on this city to prepare the whole world for the second coming of the Lord Yeshua. Sadhu was shown this by the Lord personally.
This prophetic anointing would be granted to all of us who would come to these conferences, those who had matured sufficiently, and had made their hearts ready to receive this anointing and to be trusted with this kind of authority. Our motivation to use this authority must only be love, and spoken out of humility. They told us that our spiritual eyes would be opened, and that we would also be traveling in the Spirit, as did Ezekiel, Philip, Paul, John, and of course, the Lord Jesus. Some who attended began to experience the realms of the Spirit during the conference, while many others of us are still believing for the fulfillment of all that was spoken.
I hope this report is a blessing to you, and helpful in your growth in the Lord. I have tried to report everything exactly as I heard it, without adding my own opinions about these matters.
My comments:
At the end of the above message, there is an exhortation to the people of God to attend their annual conference in Jerusalem where, according to these misguided and deceived teachers, the Lord would pour out His final outpouring of the Spirit, and this conference would prepare the whole world for the second coming of the Lord. They lay emphasize on extra-biblical, spiritual experiences like traveling in the Spirit, visitations of angels and Old Testament saints, etc, throwing to the wind the doctrines of Jesus Christ and the apostolic doctrines. This is the height of deception that has emerged from the ministries of the above servants of God. Let the children of God flee from such conferences and meetings of these ministers of God who have been deceived by the beasts.
Written by Job Anbalagan