Post 1 (posted on Oct 26 2011): quotes from the Bible for further explanation and discussion
Post 2 (posted on Oct 27 2011): includes a discussion on the spirit descending upon Jesus, second coming of Christ
Post 3 (posted on Oct 29 2011): includes a discussion on Jesus, Christ, King of Bharath, Enki, God's message in the Brahma Kumaris
Post 4 (posted on Oct 30 2011): includes a discussion on the Resurrection of Christ, the Christian Kingdom, many Christs but only one founder of the Christian religion, Jews who supported Christ
Post 5 (posted on Nov 1 2011): The Suffering of Pain during Crucifixion (Part 1)
Post 6 (Posted on Nov 10 2011) : Links provided:
Endubsar and other Scribes Co-operated with Reptilians
Nuclear Weapons used in Ancient Times
Post 7 (posted on Dec 20, 2011): Links provided.
Post 8 (posted on 10-8-2013): provided links
Post 1 (posted on Oct 26 2011):
The Christians are the followers of Christ. This article is about Jesus Christ, crucifixion and the development of the Christian religion. In this thread, among other things, I will also be discussing the following statements which are found in the Bible:
1. (John 1:28-34) These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
2. (Mark 1:9-11) And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
3. (Matthew 3:16-17) And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
4. (Luke 3:21 from http://biblebrowser.com/luke/3-21.htm): 21Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.” 23When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli, 24the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, 25the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Hesli, the son of Naggai, 26the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, 27the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri, 28the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, 29the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, 30the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, 31the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, 32the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Salmon, the son of Nahshon, 33the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Ram, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, 34the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, 35the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Heber, the son of Shelah, 36the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, 37the son of MethuSelah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, 38the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
5. (Luke 4:1,2) And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
6. (Deuteronomy 34:9) And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.
7. (Isaiah 61:1-11, New International Version) 1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners, 2 to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, 3 and provide for those who grieve in Zion— to bestow on them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of joy instead of mourning, and a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair. They will be called oaks of righteousness, a planting of the LORD for the display of his splendor. 4 They will rebuild the ancient ruins and restore the places long devastated; they will renew the ruined cities that have been devastated for generations. 5 Strangers will shepherd your flocks; foreigners will work your fields and vineyards. 6 And you will be called priests of the LORD, you will be named ministers of our God. You will feed on the wealth of nations, and in their riches you will boast. 7 Instead of your shame you will receive a double portion, and instead of disgrace you will rejoice in your inheritance. And so you will inherit a double portion in your land, and everlasting joy will be yours. 8 “For I, the LORD, love justice; I hate robbery and wrongdoing. In my faithfulness I will reward my people and make an everlasting covenant with them. 9 Their descendants will be known among the nations and their offspring among the peoples. All who see them will acknowledge that they are a people the LORD has blessed.” 10 I delight greatly in the LORD; my soul rejoices in my God. For he has clothed me with garments of salvation and arrayed me in a robe of his righteousness, as a bridegroom adorns his head like a priest, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels. 11 For as the soil makes the sprout come up and a garden causes seeds to grow, so the Sovereign LORD will make righteousness and praise spring up before all nations.
8. (Luke 4:16-21, New International Version ) 16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: 18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” 20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
9. (Matthew 19:30,New American Standard Bible) 30 But many who are first will be last; and the last, first.
10. (Matthew 20:16) 16 So the last will be first, and the first last.
11. (Luke 13:30, New American Standard Bible) 30 And behold, some are last who will be first and some are first who will be last.”
12. (Mark 10:31, New American Standard Bible) 31 But many who are first will be last, and the last, first.
Post 2: (posted on Oct 27 2011)
(includes a discussion on the spirit descending upon Jesus, second coming of Christ)
We shall start by considering the words of the gospel writers, in respect of how each describe the time when the Spirit descended upon Jesus.
The spirit descending upon Jesus actually represents 2 things, which is also a reason why there are a lot of confusion within the Christian religion:
1. the spirit/dove descending upon Christ represents the spirit/soul of Christ which entered the corporeal body of Jesus so as to begin the Christian religion in the Copper Age.
2 the Spirit entering Jesus represents God entering the corporeal body of Brahma Baba to begin the Confluence Age, at the End of the Cycle. It is this representation which has brought confusion into the Christian religion. Only the Mapmaker will know as to what was meant for Christ (the founder of the Christian faith) and what was meant for the second coming of Christ (God) at the End of the Cycle.
God entering the corporeal body of Brahma Baba represents the second coming of Christ. But this 'second coming of Christ' only plays a significant role on the world stage, when the Mapmakers and Nephilim begin to play their role at the End of the Cycle. So, where those in the line of Abraham are concerned, the second coming of Christ is when they see the Nephilim and Mapmakers on the world stage (as it is being done now).
The soul of Christ enters the corporeal body of Jesus when the corporeal body in a matured state. It is the spirit/soul of Christ which leads the Christians through using the subtle spiritual role of Christ (holy spirit). The soul of Christ is also pure, at that time, and so the soul itself can be seen as the holy spirit. This pure state enables Christ to lead the Christians, based on the truth.
The truth includes everything that happens through the Cycle as per the World Drama (including that which happens at the End of the Cycle relating to the creation of the new divine world). But Christ was a role for beginning the Christian faith. So, he was involved with only that. However, most of his followers, at the time when the spirit descends upon Jesus, were Deity Souls who were meant to pave the way for the Christian religion. So, when the Christian scriptures were written, that which was meant for the Deity Souls (at the End), was included into Christian scriptures. The purity of the Christians, who later developed the Christian religion, enabled them to allow these to continue existing in the Christian scriptures because world rule was meant to pass over from the Deity Souls to the Christians; and then, at the End of the Cycle, it would pass back to the Deity Souls.
Post 3 (posted on Oct 29 2011):
(includes a discussion on Jesus, Christ, Enki, God's message in the Brahma Kumaris)
In the Brahma Kumaris, the messages from God (called sakar murlis) say that the soul of Christ had entered the corporeal body of Jesus. The messages say that Jesus was originally born with the corporeal body and that Christ, the founder of the Christian religion, only enters into the corporeal body of Jesus later. Then, there were 2 souls within the corporeal body of Jesus Christ (the soul of Jesus and the soul of Christ). This information was given based on what had happened in the Copper Age.
The soul within Brahma Baba was there, during his births in the Copper Age, when all the scriptures (relating about Christ) were written. These writings were based on experiences, memories and what was happening at that time. The soul of Brahma Baba was the King of Bharath (in the first half Cycle and at the beginning of the Copper Age). Thus, in the Copper Age, he was involved with world affairs since India was an important kingdom during those days. Only the royalty knew of what was actually happening world-wide, especially in respect of the Copper Aged Reptilians service. The laymen were not aware of everything that was going on and they were guided by the royalty, who used the sages and scientists to guide them. So, Brahma Baba (during his past births), would have known of what was happening at that time.
The spiritual energy of those who had just walked out of the divine world was still quite high and so what they had understood, spiritually, was not far from the truth. It was with time that we were getting confused (as the spiritual strength of the soul got weaker and weaker). So, we may not have completely understand the truth (during the subsequent births in the Copper Age), though we were continuing to put everything into writing through doing our best to explain it based on what our ancestors had said. However, in the Confluence Age, God has explained it all accurately, in the sakar murlis of the Confluence Age, based on the Truth. I say this based on my own past birth experiences too.
The Jesus, who allowed Christ to use his corporeal body, was the one whose soul plays the role of the Mapmaker at the End (now). He has to lend his corporeal body because he has to explain, as the Mapmaker, at the End.
My past birth, who had walked out of the divine world, knew that he was going to play the role of Jesus (in a later birth) so that Christ can begin his religion. This past birth, who had walked out of the divine world, also knew that he would be playing the role of the Mapmaker at the End. He also knew that the King of Bharath would be used by God, at the End, to begin the Age for the creation of the divine world. Thus, he helped to begin the system for the prophesies relating to the coming of the Messiah etc. This is why, in the Sumerian myths, Enki is portrayed as being responsible for having got the myths etc written; and Enki is also portrayed as informing that prophecies will continue to be given by others (later) so as to guide the people.
Post 4 (posted on Oct 30 2011):
(includes a discussion on the Resurrection of Christ, the Christian Kingdom, many Christs but only one founder of the Christian religion, Jews who supported Christ)
There were many who played the role of Christ in the Copper Age, after the role and myths for Jesus Christ were created. That does not turn them into Christ, the founder of the Christian religion.
The founder of the Christian faith would only enter the one who is later crucified because:
1. it has to be like that as per the World Drama,
2. the spiritual role of Christ has to Resurrect after the crucifixion
3. Christ cannot live long. The longer he lives, the more he loses his purity. The purity of the soul will help to maintain a spiritual role which is more pure and powerful. This would help to bring about a more powerful Christian believe-system and Christian subtle regions after the Resurrection of Christ.
Resurrection of Christ, in the Copper Age, refers to giving immortality to the spiritual role of Christ. Resurrection of Christ is similar to how the Copper Aged Reptilians were giving immortality to their birth roles so as to continue playing an important role until the End of the Cycle. The Reptilian Collective Consciousness is greatly strengthened through the Copper Aged Reptilian practices. However, the Resurrection of Christ is for the continuation of a powerful Christian believe-system with effective Christian subtle regions. The Resurrection of Christ is for firmly establishing the Christian religion.
There cannot be a Resurrection unless the soul of Christ was still in a pure state. So, Jesus Christ had to die soon after Christ enters the corporeal body of Jesus. This had maintained the pure state of the spiritual subtle role of Christ. However, it is God who answers all the prayers of the Christians, and not Christ. The subtle role of Christ would just help to keep a powerful believe-system so that the Christians would find it easy to communicate their desires etc to God.
The purity of the Christians, who had just come down from the Soul World, would have enabled them to know as to who was the real Christ, the founder of the Christian religion. So, they tried to remove all the evidences of the other Christs, so that there would not be any confusion in their religion as to who the founder of Christianity was.
The word 'Christ' actually refers to an enlightened state, just like the word 'Buddha'. But the enlightened state of Christ, the founder of Christianity, is a special one where the Christians are concerned.
I don't think the others, who played the role of Christ, would have been crucified in reality because there was no need for their crucifixion. The ancient rulers and Jews might also have sensed that they were not a threat to their kingdom etc since they were not the real Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was seen as a threat because he was to found the Christian Kingdom.
At that time there were no Christians. There were only Jews. So, the Jews (who had Deity Souls within them) were helping Christ with the founding of the Christian religion.
The Jews (in the line of Abraham) would have been only concerned about the religion which they were practising. It was the Deity Souls, who play a role in other religions (for the creation of religions from the beginning of the Copper Age), who would have been involved with Jesus Christ. But they were only involved with helping to establish the Christian religion. So, they were portrayed as not being behind Christ (just before the crucifixion).
At that time, the corporeal kingdom of Christ did not exist. It will only existing in the subtle form, until it comes into existence in the corporeal form. This was why there was a need for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Christ had to firmly establish the Christian Kingdom, through the Resurrection process, so as to bring about the Christian Kingdom in the corporeal form. The Resurrection of Christ would help to make the subtle Christian Kingdom powerful, by helping to strengthen the Christian believe-system, through the purity of Christ (that exists during the crucifixion). This strengthening process would, in turn, help to bring in the Christian Kingdom in the corporeal form.
Post 5 (posted on Nov 1 2011):
The Suffering of Pain during Crucifixion (Part 1)
From visions and experiences, which I had since 1997, I got to know that it was my past birth who had suffered the pain during the crucifixion process. The soul of Christ would not have experienced any pain because he had not done much wrong, since he had just come down from the Soul World. Even if he had experienced any pain for any wrong that he had done, after coming into the corporeal body, it would not have been much. I was the one experiencing the pain for the wrongs that I had done from the beginning of the Copper Age.
In 1997 and thereafter, through visions and experiences, I got to know that I was suffering the pain during the crucifixion because of the wrong which my past birth (who had walked out of the divine world) had done at the beginning of the Copper Age (after having lost his divine world). Visions informed me that he brought something, that belonged to the divine world, into the ordinary world. This thing which he had brought, from the divine world, was only meant for the divine world. It was not supposed to be brought into the ordinary world. My past birth knew this but, despite that, he brought it into the Copper Age and kept it hidden for later use. After the experiences, from 1997, I began to wonder as to what it was that he had brought, and kept, that I had to suffer such pain during the crucifixion (in my later birth as Jesus).
Then, through visions, I was informed that he hid a UFO for future use. I began to wonder as to how it can be wrong to bring a UFO of the divine world into the ordinary world because everything would have transformed into the ordinary state at the beginning of the Copper Age.
Then, I had an experience where I was in the awareness of being my past birth. People had just told me of the disaster that had just happened and, during the experience, they were saying that the people were blaming the sciences for all the destructive events. I was told that the people wanted the usage of the sciences stopped so that there is no further misuse. I was of the view that it was not the misuse of the sciences that was the cause for the destructive events. I was of the view that the destructive events were taking place because they were meant to happen. Then, experiences were letting me know that I had made sure that the sciences were not completely stopped.
After the experience, I began to wonder as to what destructive events were being referred to. I was wondering if it was the earthquakes that were taking place at that time. I was wondering if, during the re-building process, the sciences were misused and so the magnetic field of the earth, the earth's energy grid system, etc were affected; thus, bringing about more earthquakes. But my attention was turned to the usage of nuclear weapons in Mohenjo Daro, Harappa and in Africa. My attention was turned towards how there wasn't much nuclear weapon usage in Africa like how there was bad usage in Mohenjo Daro and Harappa (in India). My experiences were telling me that the ancient King of Bharath had done something wrong. As a result, there were these bad effects of usage of nuclear weapons in Mohenjo Daro and Harappa. I couldn't believe it that the King of Bharath was capable of doing the wrong.
I began wondering why the sciences got written down in India but was stopped completely there. I was wondering why the scientists were never successful in re-developing the sciences in India. Was it that the King of Bharath had made sure that the sciences got stopped and also made sure that there were no secret practices using the sciences? Was it that, as per the Law of Karma, the sciences could not be re-developed in India because of the wrong that was done by the King of Bharath. Was it that, as per the World Drama, India was meant to go into the most tamopradhan state.
I was trying to get more information about the nuclear usage in Harappa and Mohenjo Daro. But it had seemed like as if there were sanskaras/traits within me of not wanting to face it and of not wanting to release the information. So, there were questions which were not being answered; and I was wondering if the Copper Aged Reptilians, who used the sciences left behind by my past birth, had misused the sciences and scientific instruments. I was wondering if I had suffered the crucifixion for having made sure that the sciences and scientific instruments were continued to be used by some (secretly). I was wondering if my past birth had begun something that was very wrong because the sciences can only bring disaster in the ordinary world. It was my past birth who had made sure that the scientific instruments (especially the UFOs) are not completely stopped from being used.
Then, in 2010, after I came across the Sumerian translations of the 'The Lost Book of Enki', I began to understand a lot about what the visions and experiences 'about nuclear weapons being used'. As I was reading about Enki, Enlil and the usage of nuclear weapons by the descendants of Enki and Enlil, I began to understand a lot of what my visions were trying to say. I began to realise that the answers to my questions were there in this myth. Now, I am of the view that one of the reasons why I could not get much information in 1997, about the wrong which I had done, was because (as per the ancient plan) I was to read the writings left behind by Enki so as to understand and explain the usage of nuclear weapons in ancient times. This will be done in the next article.
Post 6 (Posted on Nov 10 2011) :
More on Jesus Christ, and why Christ preached as he did, can be found at:
Endubsar and other Scribes Co-operated with Reptilians
More on the nuclear usage, in the Copper Age, can be found at:
1. Nuclear Weapons used in Ancient Times
2. Endubsar and other Scribes Co-operated with Reptilians
There is a discussion on Resurrection of Christ at:
Post 7 (posted on Dec 20, 2011):
More on crucifixion, resurrection and the development of the Christian subtle region etc can be found at:
Subtle Regions, Subtle Bodies & the Primordial
More on the resurrection of the birth-role of Christ and resurrection of Mummies can be found at:
Post 8: (Posted on 8-10-2013)
For more on Christ read:
The names and links for articles by Pari can be found at:
Global Brahma Kumaris - Pari's articles and videos
or at http://www.brahmakumari.net/