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what you see being edited behind me you
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can see nowhere else it is more
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compelling and disturbing than virtually
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anything you can watch on TV today it is
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my complete interview with Jeff soal he
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surfaced in our Predator investigation
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in Fairfield Connecticut a little bit of
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it aired on my syndicated show crime
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watch Daily but now here on Hansen
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versus Predators you'll see the whole
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thing soal came with food and an
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appetite for sex he left after a very
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aggressive interview with me in
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handcuffs
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Jeff over here you can come in this way
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sorry about that come on
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in how are you good how are you do you
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find the house okay no it's really dark
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out so how long did it take you to get
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here I don't know take 2 and 1/2
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hours that's a long drive yeah all right
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sorry I'm really nervous oh you give me
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a hug no I'm sorry oh I'm sorry guys are
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you okay yeah I'm
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okay I'll settle into it
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but okay so kind of P you got
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just the um the small pizza is like
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almost as big as the uh big one so I I
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didn't know that like you said small I
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thought it would be like a really small
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one sorry are you okay I'm
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okay are you okay yeah I'm fine um I am
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I'm fine I've just never done this
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before I know have you no not really I
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mean are you telling me the truth I mean
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I've met girls online but
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I I don't like come like this far to
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like meet someone I don't know why I you
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know it's kind of crazy huh it is crazy
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yeah why did you let me come I don't
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know if you're so nervous it seems like
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a good idea and you seem nice
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[Music]
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why do you think I
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came I think I
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know it's not the only reason it's not
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the reason what's the
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reason I know I
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just you know been talking to you for a
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while and you seemed like really cool to
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hang out with and you know someone that
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I'd like to meet and I
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wanted to check out the situation you
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know well here we
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are so let's deal with this whole
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contract thing cuz I'm just going to be
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thinking about it the whole
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time until we get that out of the way
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this document was something soal put
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together after some research on the
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internet to protect himself from getting
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in trouble for having sex with a
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13-year-old girl he t Al about it in the
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chat along with a lot of other graphic
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topics it didn't
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work
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um let's let's eat and and we can like
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talk about it
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okay there's plates behind you if you
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want to grab one huh there's plates
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behind you you want to grab one do you
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want a water or
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anything okay man well I got this for in
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case we I'll grabb Water all right I
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will have a bable you want to eat at the
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table what do you want to do um don't
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I'm going to sleep
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here
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yeah I mean yeah I expected it to be
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like 2 and 1/2 hours so you're from the
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Boston area you said yeah can I wash my
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hand
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mhm yeah some family that lives up there
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it's pretty nice do you yeah I've been
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to a Fel
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Hall where's your family like what what
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part of Bost I know Boston's so
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confusing it's a wicked
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confusing I'm
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sorry I'll try to be cool oh it's okay
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we'll work on it I mean you look great
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thanks you just look different than what
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I than like in the pictures I don't know
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maybe I don't know I expected you to
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have dark hair did you my hair it
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lightens up in the summer and no I'm not
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saying I mean I think you look great I
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think you look great I'm just saying
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like you you look different yeah than
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than uh than I thought yeah but uh no
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nothing long ago well you never can tell
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with online things you know what about
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me um do I look different I mean you
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look different I'm not saying better or
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worse just
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different all
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right I have cupcakes too I see did you
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make them look at those do you think I
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made those
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I have no idea no do you want to use
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plates or do you want to just whatever
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you want we're pretty casual here
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okay I I'm like too nervous to you well
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you already ate didn't you yeah I did I
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was just I was wondering if you were
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going to be like how how would you be
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like would you be nervous would you be
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like
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totally like like like you've done this
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before you know definitely haven't done
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this before like I don't know you just
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seemed very very like you didn't seem
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nervous at all uh when I talked to you
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and just in general it's different when
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you're talking to someone online versus
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like coming to their house and meeting
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them I know I just got to take take
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something
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uh this isn't drugs it's just a uh yeah
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nobody means here water it's something
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that I take when I before I
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eat in the middle of it all soal pulls
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out a medicine bottle you can see it on
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the video
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he takes a pill apparently in
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preparation for what he thinks is going
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to be a big night
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ahead what you been doing all day I'm
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just hanging
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out watching TV Netflix and
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stuff what's that I have no idea Jo to
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check somebody there
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no what kind of pizza we have tonight
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who's this I'll get to that in a minute
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who are you
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who are you you tell me first you're
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Jeff right yeah and what are you doing
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here tonight Jeff hanging out hanging
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out with whom with her who's
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her I I want to know who you are I want
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to know a little bit more about you
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first can I eat first sure go
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ahead tell me who you are is you know a
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didn't know there would be other people
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here well what did you expect to happen
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this
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time didn't have any expectations no
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expectations whatsoever no so you drove
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2 and 1/2 hours sure did from
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Boston who are you to come here are you
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a dad to meet a young girl are you you
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dad I will get to that in a
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minute huh go ahead have a bite I I
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haven't done anything wrong
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how old are
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you does it matter I'd like to
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know I haven't done anything
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wrong coming to meet somebody what's
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wrong is that against to meet a young
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girl yeah is that against the law it is
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after this cat
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how did you bring some kind of a
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contract with
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you some sort of marriage contract okay
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let's see if any of this sounds familiar
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while you enjoy your
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pizza I should come see you on Saturday
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well since your mom isn't home it's the
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best time to do it I would but only if
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you want me
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to you say I can't go to jail my life
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would be ruined right could be locked up
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for 20 years yep and then you say do you
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trim your
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blank okay now you know that this girl
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is 13
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right wasn't sure she's told you
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no that doesn't and you're what 37 that
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doesn't mean anything you're 37 how old
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are you might as well just tell me cuz I
9:15
can fight out like that who are you can
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you tell me who you are first I will
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tell you that in a minute cuz you know
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now you're you're making me nervous and
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you're 44 years old right mhm right as a
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40 4y old guy I shouldn't be talking to
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13-year-old girls like this yet I want
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to what am I supposed to make of
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that sorry I'm
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paranoid for meeting me no potentially
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having
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sex but that is where the breaking the
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law comes
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from all right punishable up to 20
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years did you bring eoms with you
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tonight wasn't plan on having sex do you
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have them in your car no I'm going to
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find out so you might as well tell me
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now I don't go ahead check the car you
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will never tell anyone about us having
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sex are you
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sure okay I could be there Saturday
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afternoon
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explain explain it to me just wanted to
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come hang out and it's looks like here
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you wanted to come here and have sexx SE
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with a 13-year-old girl okay is there is
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that against the law to like to they
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have sex with a 13-year-old girl when
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you're 44 yes it's against the law to
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meet to meet a girl that's all I've done
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you see how this looks okay but but but
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do you also
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see that I was pretty apprehensive about
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the whole sex thing well wouldn't you be
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wouldn't anybody be if they were going
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to try to have sex with a 13-year-old
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girl I to be honest with you you're not
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going to believe me but I I don't know
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who you are but I'm sure you're like you
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know law enforcement but you you think
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I'm law enforcement well I mean that's
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what it it sounds like I was thinking
11:04
about this on the way down right you had
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2 and 1 half hours to think about
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and and
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um and I I wasn't going to I I'm not
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going to risk it that's that's what I
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said it's not normal for a 44 year-old
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guy to drive 2 and 1 half hours to hang
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out with a 13-year oldy I wanted I
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wanted to hang out see how she was see
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if a 13-year-old girl how often do you
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do this sort of
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thing never it you've never done it so
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tonight you just decided okay I'm going
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to drive 2 and 1 half hours oh yeah down
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I95 from Boston yeah I've been talking
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to this a little while and seemed cool
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to hang out with I mean you can't find
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any had nothing else older girls I can
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but I had nothing else going on so you
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decided you just come out and hang out
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with a 13-year-old girl yeah you can
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clearly you can clearly see that I'm
11:52
very apprehensive about let's say we
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meet and really like each other and want
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to continue seeing each other how would
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we do this
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like I said as long as you're under 16
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age of consent parenthetically nobody
12:04
can know about it I just can't take that
12:06
chance what it sounds like here is
12:09
you're grooming her testing her to make
12:11
sure it would be okay if you had sex
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with her so no one would find out to be
12:16
honest with you like I said when I was
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on the way down right I was thinking
12:21
about the whole thing and and even
12:23
before I left right I was thinking I'm
12:25
not going to have sex with her unless
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it's legal so you talk about a plan to
12:30
make it legal to marry
12:34
her right yeah not like not in two
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seconds I mean like so if you liked her
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like next week or the week after you'd
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marry a 13-year-old girl not next week
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no so after just a few days worth of
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chatting you
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decide you love her no you want to have
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sex with her I don't know you want to
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marry her what do you mean you don't
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know she's 13 I don't know I was just
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throwing things out like you know just
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in case maybe I did like her maybe it
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was you know so then you marry a
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13-year-old girl cuz she's really cool
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and you could have sex um after a while
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if it if it worked out yeah after a
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while yeah what like 3 years of dating I
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don't know a romantic courtship maybe
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maybe so you're cool with all
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this you just think this is just fine
13:23
marching here to this home see I know
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see I know I know what you I know what
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you're you're well what what else am I
13:30
supposed to think Jack do I I mean do I
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seem like a like a like a dishonest
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dirty person I mean do I do I seem like
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it to you this chat seems like
13:43
it it seems like someone who 44 years
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old chat is chat chat is chat but
13:48
showing up is showing up and guess what
13:49
Jeff you showed
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up at a home where you knew a
13:53
13-year-old girl would be alone after a
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sexually charged conversation online
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you come in oh I want to hug
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you the little girl is nervous you do
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with everybody yeah you do that every
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time you meet a 13-year-old girl I I do
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it when I meet somebody for the first
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time I them but this somebody is not an
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adult child she's 13 can you please tell
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me who you are I'll tell you I'm trying
14:18
I'm trying to be nice here okay I'm so
14:20
am I but you're not answering all my
14:22
questions I will can you just tell me
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who you are I'm Chris Hansen and this is
14:27
an investigation called Hansen versus
14:33
Predator so if there's anything else you
14:36
want people to know anything you want to
14:38
say now would be a good time to
14:42
say I can't believe this is
14:45
happening did you bring any sort of a
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marriage contract no so what was all
14:50
that talk about I don't want to I don't
14:52
want to talk anymore you can you can
14:54
leave on camera you can leave what do
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you mean I can leave you can leave and
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then what that's not up to me who's it
15:02
up
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to it's not up to
15:12
me you didn't have to come here
15:23
D what do you do for a living J I don't
15:26
want to talk anymore that's insurance
15:29
right cameras
15:30
rolling insurance I don't want to talk
15:33
anymore all right as I said you're free
15:35
to
15:37
leave can you shut it off I cannot shut
15:40
it off
15:41
now I mean what is this it's an
15:45
investigation for a television program
15:47
called Hansen versus Predator where we
15:50
investigate grown people who go online
15:54
and try to create inappropriate illegal
15:57
relationships with underage children
15:59
so unless you have something else to say
16:01
now would be a good time to go I don't
16:03
have anything else to say all right then
16:05
you can take your pizza if you like you
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want to slice I'm good thank you very
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much so the cops