thanks I'll be in uh 48

okay first thing I I need to do I'm detective Kelly obviously with the Fairfield Connecticut police um I'm just

going to go over your rights with you you're willing to speak with me about what happened tonight yeah okay

it's being recorded too correct

okay I just want you to read you you can read your own rights and if you understand them uh just initial it and

then we're going to go down here quick and do the same kind of a thing okay so you have the right to remain silent you

understand that if I talk to the any police officer anything I say can be used against

me I have the right to consult with a lawyer before I answer any questions and

may have a lawyer with me during questioning

the right to have a lawyer appointed for me if I cannot afford one before I answer any

questions I know if I answer any questions are the right to stop answering at any

time I may stop answering any questions at any time if I wish to talk with a lawyer I may have him with me during any

further questioning and I'm willing to answer questions and make a statement knowing

that I have these rights I do not want a lawyer at this time I know and

understand what I am doing I do this freely and voluntarily and no threats or promises have been made to me do you

understand those

right I well I probably going to have to get a

lawyer okay so not we're not going to discuss what happened tonight

let me read that

again I'll talk to you

44 I'm 44 and where were you born in Brookline Brookline last as well

okay birthday 6471

was the highest grade completed in school a have a bachelor's degree

Bachelor yeah College you're reading right obviously

yeah

just make sure that the chicken scratch you could read that you essentially you're speak You're agreeing to speak to

me this is you and I'm detective Kelly I've identified myself as a police

officer you're have 16 years of education you can read yes and you can write yes and you can just sign here and

it will be done with that

form and and we could probably just kind of start with what happened this evening

um I looked at some of the texts there's several Pages the text between you and the young

female um can you just tell me what kind of happened from your standpoint tonight

you're in I assume at home in Brooklyn and you're corresponding with this younger

girl um yeah I I was just looking to meet her

and I know you're not going to believe me but I honestly was not planning on having sex with her I know the texts

talk about that mhm but it's talk I

mean I wasn't planning on having sex with her unless it

was bright and legal to do it I don't know if I I would have not either but I

was not going to what do you mean by right and legal to do well I mean if if

I if I she just she seemed like she seemed like somebody you know that was mature

and you know somebody that you know that would be fun to hang out with and so I

wanted to meet her and find out if if she was what I thought she was

so and how long had you had you been corresponding with her like three weeks and how'd you meet

her on a chat site what was that called wire Club wire

Club is that I don't know what is that is that uh it's kind of a hookup site or something it's like chat rooms but I I

don't know if it's it's a hookup site because there's people there that are have you talked to people before girls

guys whatever yeah on that particular site yeah have you talked to younger girls

before today or in the last couple weeks rather no not that I know

of and what was the interest in this particular

girl um Let me let me back up a second are you married no have you been married

yeah divorced yeah how long um like 10 10 years or more 11

years yeah any kids no what was a reason for the dissolution of the marriage

anything major issue with the ex-wife no or she with you rather no it was no it

was just a mutual breakup and how about dating and things since then do you have relationships have you had any recently

yeah I mean a few here and there yeah what was the last one I mean I had a short one over the

summer a couple months how old was she 41 or adult women yeah right have

you um you know met or chatted with or visited younger girls before younger

yes but I mean what's your I don't know younger than me is probably in their middle 20s to from my standpoint I'm a

little bit older than you but what's younger to you I mean yeah dated girls in their 30s

and and 20s and I mean have you this wasn't I'm

sure the first time you met a girl who was reportedly 12 or so years old

right what what did you say I say that I said I'm sure this isn't the first time you've either chatted with or met with a

girl who was you know supposedly 12 years old I I believe it was the first time

that I know of it was is that what you're saying it was the first

time I mean I don't know you may have an issue or a certain fetish or attraction to younger girls you probably do yeah

I've never I've I've never met I've never gone to meet a girl that was

teenager never and why tonight

just Saturday night it's driving from basically the Boston area right

I just had I mean I had nothing to do I

figured we just hang out and I was just going to like drive home later tonight he talked I know in the text there was

like some mention of like a marriage kind I don't know what your if it's a religious thing or

something else but if what's the deal with the marriage certificate what was that whole

conversation a marriage uh agreement or a cont contract you talked

about I know I was joking at one time when they said is it in the contract that was a joke was there a mention of

like bringing some type maybe maybe it was in justest but did you mention bringing some type of marriage contract

or something like that no it wasn't no bringing something no did you mention

having her sign it or you signing it or both of you signing it I mean I can go get the the the paperwork it's

unfortunately so an inch thick but there's some conversation about that was

it I just want to know yeah there was conversation there was conversation about uh about that um I was just

explaining to her that people can get married by just signing a contract but

you know signing you know marriage documents I to but you're talking about

a 12-year-old girl right and it's kind of yeah I think

you you could probably even understand but yeah she said she was 14 but okay she was 14 I know it's

young should I get maybe I should get the get some of the the texts so we're both clear about what age

she said said she was said it wasn't 12 no no and 14 is is

that that big of a difference anyways like you're 44

it's different if it's a difference to me because neither are legal you know

that yeah I know right I know they you cons send is 16 which is you know in my mind too young also

but he thought she might be

14 yeah oh thank

you thanks

so these are obviously a copies of some of the text between the two of you and this you said you met her what give or

take three weeks ago I think

so you're talking about you know [ __ ] and oral sex

and so I mean just just you know tell me what's what's going on in your life that would even have you

you know going down this road maybe you've always lived like this I don't know but it's um it's of concern obviously to

everybody you know 44 year old guy you're talking to a

12y old girl and in your mind maybe she was 14 but it's certainly illegal and

you know horrible in most people's eyes right and I said that

on you could probably read that and you drive from 2 and a half hours away to see this

girl I didn't think it was against the law to to you know meet with somebody

and just hang out and talk to them but you you Pro I mean I I don't know is it is it just just like hang out with

somebody to hang out if I had if I had sex with her yeah that would be against the law but they didn't do that okay so

let's let's just take a step back so you're just say you never divor got divorced from your wife and you had a

daughter you said it was 10 years ago right give or take you got divorced so let's just say as a result of the marriage you had a daughter or a son who

was 10 12 13 years old and it's Friday night and you and your wife you know hey

honey whatever your daughter's name is Caitlyn we're going to run to uh out to dinner and stay out a little bit late

you could stay at home and you come to find out they walk in there's a 44 year old guy from uh you know

200 M or 10 and something miles away is everybody cool with that you're

cool with that well obviously at first at first no at first yeah when they

first walk in it's not going to be it's uh not going to be cool but if it was somebody like me I don't think there's a

threat but how do they know what your intention is you're talking about [ __ ] and

picks other issues you're not talking about maybe some common interest

of music or Sports which is also I mean the whole thing would be weird I think Mo just about everybody would think I

think you actually would too it's it's it's unhealthy and strange a 44 year old guy what's he got

in touch uh in common with a 12 or 14y old girl and why if he lived in a big

metropolitan area would he drive whatever the distance was 2 hours away on a Saturday night isn't that all

speculation to me I mean it's what's the specul I'm looking at this thing you're speculating that I was going to have sex

with her tonight cuz that's what you said I didn't say that you didn't say that well tell me what you said well we

talked about having sex but that doesn't mean isn't that but isn't that strange that doesn't mean I was going to tonight

yeah tonight maybe tomorrow maybe next week maybe when she's 16 so that but

where's that in the conversation I don't know might be did you mention that I didn't think you did

it might be in there I mean I I I mentioned that that I was looking I

looked into like the the uh laws and stuff about you know miners I was looking into

it I was why why would you do that well because I was going to meet a

minor and you know to hang out with them so you knew there was an issue there was otherwise you wouldn't

research it right yeah but there's there's well I mean there's an issue if you do this and this and this

but because and you know this is this is

just I was looking you know I was just like looking down the road you know like

let's say I did like her and she liked me you know why not I mean but this is somebody

you've never met before I know I was just I was just thinking out loud looking at the the big picture that's

all doesn't mean I was going to like do what I was going you know what I was what I was is that is is that is that

like your you know lack of a better description like your cup of tea like you want some very

young girlfriend or bride not is that like some fantasy you have which is fine

if that's what your fantasy is I just want to know where you're coming from it's took it took a liking to particularly to her and she happened to

be this is through all like you know chatting or texting right exactly somebody never even met correct so for

the sake of talking it could have been it wasn't but it could have been me Tech

posing as this girl you wouldn't know who you're talking about could have been yeah could have been it's not like you saw her or spent time with her well

that's why I came down is to to see if I had a connection with

her okay if if if you what was your name again it's detective Kelly if if if

I I mean if you read all the T I don't know if you read all all I did not and I probably can't digest them all right

about I know I was joking at one time when they said is it in the contract that was a joke was there a mention of

like bringing some type maybe maybe it was in justest but did you mention bringing some type of marriage contract

or something like that no it wasn't no bringing something no did you mention

having her sign it or you signing it or both of you signing it I mean I can go get the the the paperwork it's

unfortunately so an inch thick but there's some conversation about that was

it I just want to know yeah there was conversation there was conversation about uh about that um I was just

explaining to her that people can get married by just signing a contract but

you know signing you know marriage documents I to but you're talking about

a 12-year-old girl right and it's kind of yeah I think

you you could probably even understand but yeah she said she was 14 but okay she was 14 I know it's

young should I get maybe I should get the get some of the the texts so we're both clear about what age

she said said she was said it wasn't 12 no no and 14 is is

that that big of a difference anyways like you're 44

it's different if it's a difference to me because neither are legal you know

that yeah I know right I know they you cons send is 16 which is you know in my mind too young also

but he thought she might be

14 yeah oh thank

you thanks

so these are obviously a copies of some of the text between the two of you and this you said you met her what give or

take three weeks ago I think

so you're talking about you know [ __ ] and oral sex

and so I mean just just you know tell me what's what's going on in your life that would even have you

you know going down this road maybe you've always lived like this I don't know but it's um it's of concern obviously to

everybody you know 44 year old guy you're talking to a

12y old girl and in your mind maybe she was 14 but it's certainly illegal and

you know horrible in most people's eyes right and I said that

on you could probably read that and you drive from 2 and a half hours away to see this

girl I didn't think it was against the law to to you know meet with somebody

and just hang out and talk to them but you you Pro I mean I I don't know is it is it just just like hang out with

somebody to hang out if I had if I had sex with her yeah that would be against the law but they didn't do that okay so

let's let's just take a step back so you're just say you never divor got divorced from your wife and you had a

daughter you said it was 10 years ago right give or take you got divorced so let's just say as a result of the marriage you had a daughter or a son who

was 10 12 13 years old and it's Friday night and you and your wife you know hey

honey whatever your daughter's name is Caitlyn we're going to run to uh out to dinner and stay out a little bit late

you could stay at home and you come to find out they walk in there's a 44 year old guy from uh you know

200 M or 10 and something miles away is everybody cool with that you're

cool with that well obviously at first at first no at first yeah when they

first walk in it's not going to be it's uh not going to be cool but if it was somebody like me I don't think there's a

threat but how do they know what your intention is you're talking about [ __ ] and

picks other issues you're not talking about maybe some common interest

of music or Sports which is also I mean the whole thing would be weird I think Mo just about everybody would think I

think you actually would too it's it's it's unhealthy and strange a 44 year old guy what's he got

in touch uh in common with a 12 or 14y old girl and why if he lived in a big

metropolitan area would he drive whatever the distance was 2 hours away on a Saturday night isn't that all

speculation to me I mean it's what's the specul I'm looking at this thing you're speculating that I was going to have sex

with her tonight cuz that's what you said I didn't say that you didn't say that well tell me what you said well we

talked about having sex but that doesn't mean isn't that but isn't that strange that doesn't mean I was going to tonight

yeah tonight maybe tomorrow maybe next week maybe when she's 16 so that but

where's that in the conversation I don't know might be did you mention that I didn't think you did

it might be in there I mean I I I mentioned that that I was looking I

looked into like the the uh laws and stuff about you know miners I was looking into

it I was why why would you do that well because I was going to meet a

minor and you know to hang out with them so you knew there was an issue there was otherwise you wouldn't

research it right yeah but there's there's well I mean there's an issue if you do this and this and this

but because and you know this is this is

just I was looking you know I was just like looking down the road you know like

let's say I did like her and she liked me you know why not I mean but this is somebody

you've never met before I know I was just I was just thinking out loud looking at the the big picture that's

all doesn't mean I was going to like do what I was going you know what I was what I was is that is is that is that

like your you know lack of a better description like your cup of tea like you want some very

young girlfriend or bride not is that like some fantasy you have which is fine

if that's what your fantasy is I just want to know where you're coming from it's took it took a liking to particularly to her and she happened to

be this is through all like you know chatting or texting right exactly somebody never even met correct so for

the sake of talking it could have been it wasn't but it could have been me Tech

posing as this girl you wouldn't know who you're talking about could have been yeah could have been it's not like you saw her or spent time with her well

that's why I came down is to to see if I had a connection with

her okay if if if you what was your name again it's detective Kelly if if if

I I mean if you read all the T I don't know if you read all all I did not and I probably can't digest them all right

I'm starting to try to look here I'm sure good but if you if you read a lot of it the exchanges between me and her I

was always um

aware and scared of any consequences if I was

to do something wrong like if I was to have sex with her I would I and and to

be honest yeah of course you know again from what I saw she's you know beautiful and everything but I I was not going to

risk I was not going to risk anything by having sex with her I just wanted to meet her and hang out with her and I was

going to go home you're going to meet her hang out I can't trust any I can't trust anybody

and obviously now you know even more so but um how do you think how do you think

we and she feel well see I I I get it I I get it you know you guys we're trying to protect the innocent and the

vulnerable right but just like when you were that age and I was that age you wouldn't want some guy you know

attacking you if he's dangerous yeah of course not or or maybe just has bad

intentions when you were 12 or 14 years old if there was some guy in your life or appeared in your life who's in his

40s and is talking about having sex with you and different things isn't your parents and the police

and the school system's job to kind of protect you from that person and sometimes if you're not being

like totally honest with your parents or you know Community people we have we the only alternative

sometimes we have is to do like Sting type operations like this or we never catch anybody cuz you're not going to

tell anybody you're so paranoid about it you're researching the statutes cuz you know it's

wrong right right and when and I'm sure in here just probably conversations with

the girl about you didn't tell anybody about this right or something like that because you're afraid of the and you

didn't go when the parents were home if it's if it's wonderful then yeah if your parents are home that's great I'd love

to meet them no your parents aren't home right kind of thing they're away they're not coming home

whatever you with me yeah I'm with you yes I I just and I think this probably

goes back a long time this does not happen overnight I'm a little bit older than you and whatever my you know makeup

is physiologically and emotionally and every other way it didn't start last

week so you've probably had these fantasies desires uh interests probably

your whole life actually or until you you know became an adolescent or something fantasy is about what what do

you mean I'm assuming you younger women and maybe as you got older like you wanted to stay in that realm like oh the

younger girls I like them better for whatever reason you I mean you would have to tell me what the attraction is I don't know

it's never happened before I've never we're talking like 12 years old it's like sixth seventh

grade you know what I mean it's a that's a young human being keep saying 12 well

you me to use your term and say 14 I I mean I know that's the both young but

it's a little bit Yeah different is it is it being a teenager is that the big hump that you need to hear like okay

she's a teenager she's 13 she's not 12 she's 14 she's not

12 that's two years old yeah still two years under the the

age of majority right certainly not you know worldly or mature enough to consent

to anything right doesn't have to leave a right to do it never mind because why

because they're very young so they need to be protected can I ask you something why if you thought I came down there to

have sex why didn't you wait and see if that happened why would I want to put that

girl that was in the house through any kind of a horrible experience that could get really out of hand really

quickly and no offense I got you there was like several cops there and other

able-bodied guys right You' being probably some kind a pain at the end of it because if you got maybe your clothes

off and you're trying to grab her we come in not knowing what you're capable of I know why not do it like a as much

as we can as a gentleman you're seated Chris Hansen speaks to you you're

free to go you know you you you were compliant we were you know didn't throw

you on the ground or anything we handcuffed you we brought you in you know I mean why would you want to

take it to another level where it's horrible and she has to go through that what several times because there's

several different guys like yourself that are coming to meet her would you want to do that to anybody

like honestly no put put her even even the hug as soon as you got there you're trying to hug a girl you've never met

well that's all right that's natural you know I don't well maybe it is I mean I understand from your standpoint you

probably want to but from her standpoint you're a total stranger and she's probably a little creeped out by

it you know what I me she was cool cool with everything just wanted to hang out and you know have pizza I mean I

honestly that's that's why I was there I I

just my my you need you need to my case okay for this is is obviously there's

there's a lot of text there but

there's I was trying to do things or um

M you know make it so I wasn't breaking the law if I decided at some point that I

wanted to you know have any relations with her you know I was trying to make

sure that it was legal otherwise I wasn't going to do anything I get I

explain that a little bit if I if I you know came down and and

I liked her she liked me and she was cool and I felt didn't feel like she was you know too immature or Too Young or too

you know the same if I felt like I was on the same you know level as her like you know

emotionally and whatnot I mean I wanted to you know I I didn't want to do

anything that was breaking the law so that's why I researched that

stuff I would never I mean that's like ridiculous that you guys thought that I would bring down a bring a contract down

well no we were going I believe through your inter I don't know you're interpreting you're interpreting it but

I mean maybe maybe we are I don't know but I also see that you're mentioning the 44-year-old guy shouldn't be talking

to a 13-year-old girl like this right and so guilty about your language not mine I felt guilty about it yeah and you

you think you might be on the same wavelength this her yeah there plenty of you know young people I've seen on TV

that are pretty smart pretty mature 13 they're out there yeah no there might be

I don't know there could be a couple out there I think either they're they could be mature but maybe they look like a

little kid or they why does everything could look older but they're very immature it's there's a reason these

laws are in place right I mean to protect people right and I said that to her which meaning what but I'm still you

kind of expounded on before but you're like I want to do things with her so in case I did a feelings for and I liked

her like it would be legal what I don't know what that means she's still let's

just say 13 cuz you mentioned 13 right here so how does that still make it

legal I don't know she said well she said she was turning 14 but I cry

um how does it make what legal that you just said that how would it make it okay if you're going to do things with her

and she's 13 and you ultimately had relation with her intercourse how does it make it

legal it wouldn't unless her mom consented to um

marriage that's the only way it would be legal so you're going to you're going to marry a 13-year-old girl with her

mother's permission maybe when maybe maybe when she's 16 I would do that how

does that why is that like so hard to believe um why is it hard to believe

yeah that that that that can happen I can't say I've even ever heard of it actually if I want to if I wanted to

like maybe in other countries it happens want I to not break the law that's what I would have to do you would marry her

now you're 44 she's 13 yeah I haven't broken the law I I I mean so that's the

thing it's all like you're speculating what I was going to do based on conversations I'm not you also drove

here you didn't just like have chats which are bad enough so what you actually drove two hours you're like

basically my age you drove two hours to meet a girl most guys right you're

you're putting it all together right most guys would most no most guys younger than us our age older than us if

given the opportunity they might get in the car on a Saturday night and drive two hours if they think they're going to

find uh you know something that feels good at the end of the rainbow but are

they going just going to do it to maybe meet somebody most guys so you're saying most guys so it's like you're driving

from Boston you're saying most guys right that's not me what are you tell me

who you are cuz based on the text and the behavior you exhibited I'd say you you fit right in there you just happen

to like them much younger than what's normal maybe or or illegal enjoyed just

you know talking talking about it I don't know I mean with a with a 12 or 13y old

girl that's a problem I don't know know you I never saw you before in my life

that's a major league problem she didn't seem like it didn't seem like what just

seemed just seemed more mature than that more you know compared to what like a

28y old woman like a 17 you know 22y old girl you talking about a 12 or 13y old

girl and she's what acting like she's 18 yeah so what she still tells you she's

13 years old your

44 I mean seriously that's a major league

problem according to the law it is but according to what you would head in my

head in your head knowing knowing what I was there for knowing that I was not

dangerous that I was not a threat to her that I was not planning on having sex

not planning on having sex what is what if you just happen to meet a girl that is

like you know what for whatever reason she's only 12 or 13 but man she is a

she's a pistol and she's all over you what are you going to do push her away yeah if I know I can go to jail I would

you would oh yes and why did you bring the SE Alis you know what that was in my car I don't care where it was it was in

your pocket I found you yeah I didn't want to leave it on the car and I said what's in here just the I believe it said like CVS either ibuprofen or

something something like that you're like yeah that's all it is and then we we research and it's

a sorry so you're not even you're I why don't you tell me the truth going to figure it out I just got handcuffed I

you know I I don't even remember answering you to be honest with you but but no big deal but it's not like you

had some other medicine like I won't even pick it out of the top of my head that's like completely unrelated to any

kind of sexual interlude this is like right up that alley right it's

correct it's something so the chat the drive the seis the fact that for some

reason you think that this is like some innocent meeting between a a mature

12-year-old and you I carry the Calis around I just do and you know sometimes

I leave it in my car and I just didn't want to leave it in the car doesn't it belong in the prescription bottle no it doesn't no that's smaller I

usually carry I have other pills too that I put in there right

you don't you don't see a problem with any of this like honestly I didn't say that so you see a

problem with it I see a potential problem do you have like nieces nephews

whoever in your life in your family yep I don't know ages but maybe

somewhere around her age

honestly detective I did not think I was breaking a law to come meet a girl I

honestly didn't if you look at read the whole text read everything you can see how how scared I was to meet

her just just you know listen just the whole scared to the whole

situation I I you're you're scared of her for basically basically one reason

and the reason is that your clear intention was to have sex with her

because if it truly was just to meet somebody you wouldn't even be nervous

about it you'd be like screw it I I have no interest in having sex with this girl sit chatting I my right hand of God and

I'll swear to the parents and they could be home for that matter i' love to meet them too and my intentions are pure your

intentions were not pure that's why you had the reservations you had right it was a new situation too and

never done it before so yeah but you're 44 and she's 12 13 there's all these

laws about like you know thank God there are right about miners what if there

weren't listen I I know what I'm capable

of right okay and I know you think that I'm bullshitting you no I mean you're

trying to you're trying to like kind of massage the corners but you know do I do I think you're

realizing and being honest with yourself and with me about what you did no I don't actually but I mean you're talking

about it and I appreciate that but you're not if if you truly looked in the mirror and thought about what's going on or

what you did tonight that's because I don't feel like I did anything wrong

well if if you want to if you want to keep it in the in the straight and narrow just say all I did was come here and bring her a pizza yeah I mean any

Uncle any neighbor any guy could certainly do any softball coach whatever

as long as it's kind of like you know the parents know there's nothing creepy going on yeah in and of itself is that

fine sure but if that softball coach or whoever it may be is texting all thing

all kinds of things about having sex with the girl and her [ __ ] and and send

me a pick and everything else and you're only 133 and 44 and then you research

the statutes and you drive two hours on a Saturday night and you bring seis with you and there's a reference of a

marriage contract because that'll somehow make it legal it's [ __ ] up honestly like be

honest with yourself you don't you can try to [ __ ] me all day long it doesn't really matter to me every most of the people I talk to aren't exactly

honest but if you ever want to get well and maybe get past this point in your life and not be back here sometime in

the future or somewhere else for that matter in a bad place I agree it's not something that like seriously I should be doing

and I said that yeah I said that that's a problem if your first first kind of

thought about this was probably a correct one like what the [ __ ] am I doing like this is wrong I shouldn't

need to research a St statute to see if I'm able to hang out with a 13-year-old girl and talk about having sex with

her we're not talking like senior in high school or something we're talking sixth seventh grade

right was not going to you're 40 was not not tonight you just said before you you

if things worked out and you ended up having relations you wanted to know kind of like it would be legal I think that's

what you told me before it wouldn't do it unless it was legal it wouldn't do it so the sealas is just we keep it just in

case and the SE I'm driving two hours to meet a 12-year-old cuz I'm sure she's got wonderful conversation she's really

interesting to chat to you have a college degree where do you work if I was if I if I wanted to if I was

planning having sex I would have I would have taken the seatt at home and just left it there I don't know for all I

know you took one already maybe you took one at home maybe you brought another one in case it was a

phenomenal night right or for tomorrow if you slept over I told you I have it

in my car you know I I rely on it when I had when I date girls and stuff so cuz I

have issues with that so uh

how about like I mean I know you're doing the texting thing whether any uh

you know younger girl kind of adolescent pornography they at your house or in

your car or anything images computer images phone

images let me look at my phone I

don't did you send her picture yeah of yeah of me such as you like what dick

pics no naked chest what let me

see all my pictures this is of her or just you no just like pictures that are

in my phone sent her a random picture today just like took a picture of myself with my Bru shirt with your what Bru

shirt yeah it's at the bottom who's the girl September 16th friend of yours girlfriend

whatever yeah it's just somebody that I was chatting with that sent me pictures on the same

site did she send you any pictures this girl who uh the girl from today no um oh

yeah she has naked no not naked never asked for anything naked

this is in your under which is fine but is that going it's not going to her that one never went to

her actually sent that to the girl I was dating that was

41 as a joke

who dog yours mhm who the

kids oh set my brother's

wedding but if you if you took yourself out of it a little bit like right now I think I mean I'm sure you can

understand why not only it's illegal but it's just like flat wrong that anybody

our age would be doing something like this and you're looking at me with this puzzled look like it's not a big deal

and I I don't even know you but I I feel bad that you're not somehow comprehending

it it's like so wrong it's not even it's you can't even discuss it

and if you actually think it's okay no that's not what I'm saying that's or even kind of okay or situationally okay

it's like you need serious help honestly you really do CU that's that's just [ __ ] up period I'm not saying that

it's okay I never said that I was saying that my intentions were

were what pure my intentions were were never to violate her other than being in

her presence and that's something something that like obviously it's like a back and forth that you guys would never

know because you're not inside my

head no I know but I'm going by the only way I I know you it's I'm going through

the the chat I know I know your actions today what you said

like what am I supposed to go by something else you know what I mean like how can

you judge me other than what we're talking about right now yeah like I thought like you don't know me either

right how do you when when you what I have no idea what this is

some kind of a video I guess how do I what so when you when you

catch these uh whatever you want to call them uh sex you

know set you catch these people uh meeting with young

minors yeah um like we caught you right so so you

know you got me in in the house and and everything and I I just like I I had no idea what was going on

um you always do it like that always no there's all kinds of ways things like

this come to come to come to light there's times when something like this

happens and there's times when a parent calls because my I just caught my 15-year-old daughter or whatever texting

some guy who says he's 30 come to find out he's 44 or whatever and um you know

they want the guy arrested for statutory rape and see I thought it was against the law to have sex to actually have sex

and then like let's say I had sex tonight and then somebody found out that I was with her and you know they did

some sort of uh why why would we want to wait until that happens I don't know I

mean it's kind of like saying well wait till the guy like robs the before you move in no if we if we have probable

cause to believe that these guys are about to rob a bank why am I putting the freaking tellers lives and innocent

people in in Jeopardy or in this case the girl in the kitchen with a hat on I'm going to let you groper and feel her

up and take your clothes off so that what I have a stronger case see [ __ ]

that you know what I mean it ain't happen this is this is you know the problem with Society you know what's the

problem U that law enforcement looks at well all kinds

of people just think that men are pigs and all they want is sex I never I never

said that that's that's what you're that's what you're making out that's what you're making it out to be you

you're basically saying that it's not it's not humanly possible for me to to to hang out with this girl and not have

sex with her tonight I didn't say I didn't say it's not humanly possible it's certainly possible that you could

have drove down here after you had this sexual kind of charged discussion and

maybe you're respectful maybe you're like not some really aggressive guy and she says well I'm not feeling it tonight

and you're like okay you know I'm going to come back another time but really your intention was

seis a lot of this discussion marriage contract to make it

legal why would I wait till how long I going to take this do this for I'm going

to do this for months and months and months until one one night God forbid you you

like actually attack this girl and nobody's there to protect her attack I don't know that's that's no but

you're you're making you're making it sound like you talked about you know a shared love of music or something or

something else about hockey we talked about a lot of stuff yeah you also talked about sex with a 12 or freaking

13y old girl it's [ __ ] up sex is a part of life people talk

about Rel one second hey

keev what's up oh yeah I don't care you get Chu I'm

in the interview right now so you get chucker or something I'm in the

interview bring back I'll do whatever you want with I don't I don't care

thanks oh what what are you talk what are you talking about Pizza remember the pizza brought over pizza oh I don't care

it's photog think it matters

honestly yeah I don't care maybe bounce off a Tony or something if you want I could care less

thanks I know what he was talking about Jesus

um yeah but I mean honestly it's a it's it really is like a it's a what's your

passcode

it's a Ser it is a serious problem you have because you're still kind of acting like I would we we had a guy earlier

today he's in tears and shaking because he knows it's wrong he's he feels like emotionally

mentally you know kind of unstable totally apologetic similar

situation and um but at least I I felt like he was kind of owning up for his

intention maybe not necessarily today listen you're you're acting like you're

still trying to turn turn me to say no no no we were just going to hang out what's what's the big deal right because that was that was my true intention so I

can't I can't what else am I supposed to say with the SE Alis yeah right okay yeah cool yeah with the I know it's hard

to believe with the sex chat with a long drive it's not like you said hey

listen I'm dressing up really nice I'm going to take you out for something to eat that's cool which is still bad and I still wouldn't really believe you but

you come in with a pizza you want to hang out home parents aren't home make sure of that and the first thing you do

you want to give a girl a hug that you you've never seen if the parents are home I wouldn't be able to hang out with her parents are home but you said that's

why that's why I wouldn't come I mean wouldn't happen they would let me in right

why you know why I yeah we both know why I just want you to know why and I'm well

aware of it I'm well I'm well aware that it looks bad I'm well aware it looks bad

and it is bad it's not just like Hey we're jumping to conclusions here this

guy's a great SAT prep guy he's working with this girl with the for the herut I want to see what she was all about I

honestly was not planning on having sex with her that is [ __ ] up how you want

to see what a 13-year-old girl is all about you don't you still don't see that

as being an issue I can see how it is an issue for most people with a most people might say at our

age hey the girl's like 26 28 whatever a little on the younger side for us but

hey I want to hang out her see what she's all about she's 12 or

13 17-year-old boys aren't even interested in

her you with me I no condoms I wasn't planning on having sex with but yet see

I always have to say Alice okay well maybe you do maybe maybe you travel with it all the time but you know you put

these things together it's not like we're we're making a big leap here you know what I mean but you're still shaking your head

your hands your arms are crossed and you're kind of wondering like what this is crazy I just wanted to hang out with her cuz that's the truth even even if

that was the truth which I don't which I don't believe lying that's all can I have a cup of

water yeah we can get water me a

second coming

thanks the water's coming thanks um let me just take a second just to

maybe get back to your home life so you live what you have an apartment in Brooklyn you live there by yourself yeah

you what do you do for work and there was mentioned of chesher Connecticut or something premium auditor it's like

Insurance auditor insurance policies so they're based in Chester you you work or

live in yeah I mean I work out out of my house but I mean I have clients in Boston yeah

there's people all over the place and you know you spent a lot of

time chatting with this girl obviously is there you have a computer at home I

imagine you have uh you go to different chat rooms and talk to different

people if if those if we look to some of those things would we find other younger girls that

you're speaking to is it like a common denominator with you no I don't think you would find a common denominator

I'm talking about like age of a of a female that's my common denominator so you don't no I even even what's the youngest

girl other than this gal that you've spoken to or chatted with recently or in

the last couple months I you're focused on age and you have to be focused on age here

but they're all ages 21 and up I mean I but I've never had why not like 18 or 17

or 16 just didn't I was I'm not looking for that this happened this just happened I mean how did this jump out at

you how did it happen yeah how to jump out at you like why why would you be so taken with thank you really go this

thanks like I said what was so special about her in other words like I said it was just some you

know she was somebody that I I thought I was able to relate to and and you know

have a conversation with not everybody that age you can do that with what can you tell me about

her well I'm sure everything I tell you about her is probably is probably not true because no granted but what do you

what do you know of her that maybe you know if I heard I might be like wow she must be kind of

special um well she just seemed she seemed smart and she seemed like you

know mature and um no I mean we talked about hockey she was said she was a big

hockey fan and so am I and um I don't know I mean just she just

seemed chilling like to hang out and stuff I know I can't that's all you can

tell me you can't tell me how she went to the certain uh you know middle school high she was going to the high school

she had an ex-boyfriend she had sex with him once or twice uh or you know single

mother parents are in the house siblings you can't tell me anything like that well yeah she said she lives with her

mom yeah but what I what what's her mother do where's her mother supposed to be today yeah she said her mom was away you

know where she possibly coming home early no yes maybe I have no idea when she's coming

home you didn't ask where she was going no I think she's like away somewhere in business

so somewhere

far you didn't inquire where though if I was going to be careful to the

point I'm going to research statutes and know where Dallas how much trouble I may

or may not be in if things as you said like either got out of hand or you had

relations I would assume you'd know where the freaking mother was so you don't want her walking in on you

right she said she was in Dallas okay and what's her mother do do you know what she does for

work she said she was in financial services

anything else about the girl that you were chatting with her home life or school or friends

or oh I mean she said she just moved to Connecticut where did she mov from

California she said you know where la

you ever talk about having her come to meet you somehow or was it always this way where you thought maybe I'll come see you yeah talked about it did you

ever plan on meeting her on previous occasions maybe outside the mother's purview like maybe at a coffee shop or

store or something not that I not that I recall

no no I guess you know when she said her mom's going away that was like an

opportunity need to meet her you know to hang out and meet her at our

house do you have any hobbies I do so

say play um Fitness like to work out I'm addicted

to football do any coaching or anything like that do you volunteer in any respect teach tennis no no I just teach

tennis to kids I don't no play Friday nights have you hooked up

with any younger girls recently no 18 20 whatever no ever the last 10

years no you can check it out you won't see

anything check check what out what am I going to check out I don't know you guys can probably check out anything you

want not going to lie okay so you have what do you what do you have at your home you have computers I

imagine or one or more than one for work or yeah person work computer and personal what type of sites have you

been on you went on I guess this one where you met her yeah I mean I I use

that site sometimes on a board

um it's another site uh moco space

what was that a password again what she in here is by the way for

like messages Bailey

Bailey so I just go back today we just look at this will probably make it easier on

me how long have you been planning to see her today I mean before today was this like in the work for a couple days

or actually just made a decision today if you look at the text messages it was

it was talked about but I didn't I hadn't committed

really because obviously I had apprehension about the whole thing so he did more research today just found out

you'd have to get more a written consent by her mom to get married under 18 [ __ ] like as in frustration right I have some

ideas on this can talk later okay still want to see you want to see me [ __ ] yes

I'll be around n I'll pick a pizza address you got booze I some

V can we drink can we drink it she's 13

right dude listen no [ __ ] and I'm probably doing you a

favor you probably had a major league issue with

this for a long time and I don't know that you were going to

rape her

tonight but you're certainly we're praying on her

right she's 13 she's 14 years old and you're going to drive down from

Boston you want to drink with her you got a SE Alis in your pocket you may have one in your

system and you want to bang the chick right wasn't planning on it tonight you weren't G nope so even if she wanted it

you're drinking you feel good you got to be horny right you haven't had a girlfriend in a little while I would not

I was not going to do it why because I was too scared of

what consequences you can see I said it a lot in our messages on Skype you're

you're going to drink with a 13-year-old girl while our mothers in [ __ ] Dallas

Texas or whatever you said before and you're worried about consequences like seriously yep I'm serious we're adult

men dude talk to me you can't be serious see now you're you're no I'm being

you're bringing that up again you you're basically insinuating that no cuz I'm not I'm not 22 and you're not 50 and I'm

not 50 and you're not 20 like I'm 47 so like we're in the same realm here yep I

understand and you're going to drink with this this girl who you know is how

many years under the age of you know being able to consume alcohol 7 eight

depending on what age you're you're talking about and you have SE Alis and the whole

sex to you know texting stuff going on it's like I mean seriously just throwing up

to what you did it's you're trying to still kind of keep

it over here and it's not there you're not doing yourself any favors the more you act like

that I mean if you want to get past this and get well and not be in this position someday probably in another Police

Department or worse if somebody ever walked in on you or you hurt some girl who again is 12 13 years

old just look at yourself in the mirror and like think about what you're you're talking about

listen I know you can cross your arms and hide all you want no you know what

know you weren't going to touch her no no I know that it looks bad it is bad it

is bad it's not it doesn't look bad it's it's horrible yeah the whole thing the whole thing is bad but my intentions

were not to have sex so you're going to drink with this girl who like how much alcohol could she have drank in her life

take so she's going to act how probably like a basket case let's let's take a light detector test and that's going to

prove what to me I don't if you're a [ __ ] sociopath admissible in court let's go to court I mean I would I would

swear in court that I wasn't planning on having sex with her we weren't planning on having sex with her right maybe maybe

you didn't plan on having sex with her but it would have happened if I disagree

I honestly disagree why why yeah again let's go

back to this whole thing remember just hang out companion a

friend seem cool I don't think there's anything wrong with like hanging out with somebody because you think they're

cool you you want to how could she be cool no offense to any girl that is that

age she cool to you I talked to her enough yeah to to figure that

out I'm not denying that that it looks that it doesn't look bad I'm not saying it doesn't it's terrible dude it is

terrible it's terrible it's terrible if I had sex with her I agree

it's it's terrible that you willing to drink and put yourself in that position and come down here probably for the

intention of doing that right and I can't control myself you don't think I can control myself have a drink have a

drink and have some pizza and you don't think I can control myself and not have sex with her I don't know you at all I I

would say you probably can't control yourself since you got in a car on a

Saturday night and drove all this way to meet this girl you've never met you

chatted with about sex and pics and yada yada yada and getting

married and getting her mother's consent so you could have sex with her so it would be legal to try to you know

circumvent the law you think that's normal no it's not and I even told her

that and you almost light up like you're proud of that fact it's disturbing I'm not proud of it it's I'm I'm I'm acting

this way for several reasons one because I'm

probably too much shocked to realize this is even happening I feel like that I'm Dreaming right now I'm not even sure

this is real um and two I know what my intentions

were and and you could say that and maybe maybe some of what you're saying

is accurate and true I don't know but because because I I wrote on you know on

Skype I wrote all these messages stating that I don't want to have sex I don't

want to have sex if it's going to be against the law how can you not interpret that as you know as as me

trying to obey not as me not trying to obey the law how can you interpret that how can I

interpret it that you're not the girl the girl is 13 years old keep going back to that you want to have you're trying

to I'll be blunt you want to be able to bang her and the only way you think you're able

to bang her and have sex with her is by getting her mother to sign a marriage a

marriage uh application or certificate that's the only reason you don't even care about the mother in fact the only

reason you're at the house is cuz the mother is500 miles away and I realized

that that that is virtually would have been virtually impossible as it should be right but God

forbid it happened all the time where where would our society be right all these creepy older guys would be going

after these what middle school girls I I don't I don't look at it

[ __ ] sixth or seventh grade and that's who you're attracted to and she's like you said she's mature and she's got

you know she's really smart and she's really engag I just going after her I mean well you can drive and she can't so

she's not coming after you well but she's pursuing me too online and yeah

with this little adolescent brain and and um intellect of hers right

you're a guy that's my age basically and you've been through college and you've worked for 20 years and you've been

married and divorced and this girl is like what should have been maybe a product of your marriage like a young

girl 12 years old 13 years old and you're and you're kind of I'm

sorry yes it's it looks awful just say it is awful stop saying it looks awful it is

awful it's kind of pissing me off actually it doesn't just look awful no well it piss if I walked in the in the

library and you're leaning over my daughter's shoulder talking or come to find out you're you're teaching her something about computers and

everything's it looks awful but maybe it's not awful maybe I overreacted initially this is [ __ ] awful and

disgusting actually period you're a dad reverse it

and I'm you you'd probably want to strangle me right most likely I want to bang your

daughter most likely hello yeah you would You' probably be over the table like trying to kill me right

now not most likely either like

absolutely you have a serious problem and until you like admit

it you're not going anywhere you're not going to get better you're not going to

this stuff's not going to go away I don't know when it started you need really you don't think this is

enough for me to realize that I don't think you can help it cuz you keep on going like this and saying well you

don't know what my intentions were until you like admit the truth of what what your actual intention was you wanted to

have sex with a [ __ ] 13-year-old girl that's why the contract that's why the mother comment about the signed contract

all those things is the only reason not tonight doesn't make a difference if it's tonight or

tomorrow I I just I'm being honest with you on this I wasn't planning on having

sex with her tonight you weren't planning on having sex with her tonight how many times have girls said that about a date with a guy I wasn't

planning on having sex with the guy and oh my God he was so handsome really nice and and you weren planning on it I

wasn't planning on like stubbing my toe I did part of what I'm saying no because

you're not being genuine like be be truthful just say if you said I was not going to there was no way in hell I was

dropping the pizza having a slice and say ma' I'm on my way to New York nice to meet you all along is is that you

wait till the mother's not home you got the seal you're talking about alcohol with a girl who's

13 that's a great idea let's drink with a 13-year-old wasn't going to have sex I just even if she starts freaking out and

dropping all her clothes you want no part of leave I believe that

one I don't by the way of course you don't I know you don't seriously dude

come on I know it's hard to believe cuz you know most guys all they think about sex

and that's all they want is sex yes we talked about sex but that's I was not going to have sex with her and break the

law okay um and that's obvious from my text

messages you you're still you're still caught up on this you're looking for an

angle so that you wouldn't have to break the law correct if it you're not like not doing

the deed you want you want to you want to somehow C circumvent it so that it would somehow be legal or okay in your

mind yeah okay okay with everybody right but that that was your intention it

wasn't like you oh who I got to wait till she's 16 17 I'm not touching this poor thing cuz she's only 13 years old

that wasn't your motivation it was like I want to bang her I got to get her mother mother to sign her over to be honest I had nothing to do tonight I

really just wanted to like meet her and then okay figure out some you know later what what you know I was going to do as

far as you know all that other stuff all right

I mean you you're you're painting me to be like a an evil person that doesn't

care about anyone's you know well-being and I'm admitting to you that that it

it's wrong if you if anybody who hears a story like this is going to think I'm

doing something wrong even even you even you thought so if they don't know all the facts well you thought so too cuz

you researched the law right yes I was I was like researching stuff for things

that I wanted to know if I did this what would happen if I did that what would happen doesn't mean I was going to do

it I just wanted to know what the what you know what would the ramifications be

if you served her alcohol what are the rules and she got hammered at home with you is that cool did you circumvent that

I wasn't going to let her get hammered you're just going to ever what have a little vodka yeah a drink who are you in

her life to even say that's okay well no I'm not going to like take the I'm not going to be like you know forcefully

take the bottle away from her just to say let's have one drink you know have a drink you know people they they have a

drink you know they hang out and have a drink it's pretty normal

she's 13 she's probably had many drinks she 13 she said she

has do you see a psychiatrist or anybody yep you do it for what OCD

depression what do you take Prozac does it

help not sure what's your OCD what's your what do you fixate

on I honestly don't want to get into it CU that's probably what we're talking

about no I mean it's personal so

what I just I don't talk about it with anyone it's really it's just it's difficult so I mean I I went to an OCD

convention last month um you know work I'm trying to like you know work on

my my issues

and just it's it's tough I have I have I

feel for it it's probably horrible I I just I go through it every day and and it's tough

and sometimes you know I I want to do things to distract myself

and you know so I don't have to go through it because

like the OCD happens a lot when I'm by myself happens much less when I'm with

people so especially if I'm having fun and I figured I thought that I would tonight would have a fun night and you

know and have to deal with my OCD or depression or

whatever do you do you fix it on either you know porn or girls or younger girls

is that ever the focus of your no no you sure you're kind of

closing your eyes and shaking your head as if it is I'm tired yeah it's never happened okay I've never pursued a girl

that that that age is there anything on your phone that

might uh you know show us any other younger females that maybe a community Comm

unicate with whether it's texting or calling or anything else no no I mean when you say when you

say young females yes I mean I I talk to females you know what's a what's a

young female younger female other than Bailey what's Kim who's Kim

B she's 42 Maria nextx

go there a 617 number here who's

this client client 315 is Bri IU who's IU I know one

oh he's my uh psychiatrist Kristen friend how old my age

917 I have to see the if if there's no name he said your VM wasn't sub I looked

into the case it was closed related to work yeah

mad crits yeah it's a guy friend of

mine mney exgirlfriend older uh my

age Chanel oh that was a a chick that I met

in Vegas how old are she she probably in her 20s so if you had your DRS would you

typically go for a girl that's age age isn't the primary no but

you tend to be attracted to maybe girls that are more like te teen teen like or teeny boppers no that's not true no I'm

just asking I don't know it's not true though because like maybe you're not maybe you are it's not I mean like

seeing last couple girls that i' that I've dated actually the last three have been my age were you happy with them

were you're not satisfied because you're looking for something else like a young type that was happy girl that was

happy but they just you have to put out of a reason doesn't didn't work out I mean there's no sexual issue with them

everything was cool they were attractive whatever to you

correct okay um do you have any questions for me uh

yeah go ahead um what

what do you what did you arrest me on like what well since nothing really

happened it's criminal attempt right so that's what I'm and I think you signed the form downstairs you should have

should have seen the charges but it's criminal attempt at sexual assault first degree sign what form the the yellow uh

we call them the U forms there's four sheets yeah you said that that I was signing that but they have they have

your charges on there on the bottom you didn't see your charges no I thought it

was just signing I just thought it was just signing that I gave him fingerprints okay well that's not exactly the case you're arrested they're

felonies it's criminal attempt to commit sexual assault first degree I would

never agree to that well it doesn't matter if you agree or you don't have to agree that's what we're charging it with

all right but I'm saying like I would never signning you're not signing that you're guilty you're signing that you H

the information on the sheet is ACC mean that you charge me that's what I'm well yeah but it doesn't matter if you

didn't sign it would it change anything no it doesn't mean like oh he doesn't admit to this okay so what were the

charges again uh criminal attempt to commit sexual assault first

degree because you obviously didn't actually engage in that but we believe that was your

intention enticing a minor and risk of injury to a minor

you're shaking your head yeah like honestly there's not there isn't a mirror in front of you but there's a

reflection like if you really look at yourself and think about what occurred I think you're probably a very

bright guy I imagine you might be but you're still in this weird Funk of like denial like he it's not it's not what

you think I wasn't going to do that like truly look at yourself and' be like I

[ __ ] up bad obviously I [ __ ] up if I'm right here no there's people that

maybe get caught in the the wrong place at the wrong time whatever no I [ __ ] up by coming down no you [ __ ] up by

contacting a 12-year-old girl dude 13-year-old girl I never I never coming coming here

was just like one one arm of the whole thing one little tentacle if you're

texting a girl who's 13 about getting laid with her getting her mother to sign

a marriage certificate and know being redundant drinking alcohol that her mother has a bottle

vodka those are the [ __ ] up the whole point of you even communicating with the girl is [ __ ] up never mind the rest of

it it's not just coming here you know what I mean that's just

the end the end result you know the the finality part of it I guess you say but

the fact that you even communicated with her if I was talking to a girl I ever found out she was at my age like less than 20 years

old I'd be like I don't good luck in your you know in your search and your Chase whatever but it ain't happening

with me you know what I mean and you're talking to a girl you know or think is 13 years

old that's a problem so until you actually like admit

that to yourself and be like either it's the OCD that got the best to you maybe you're depressed maybe you just needed

to hang out you're lonely there's all kinds of reasons we all have excuses for all kinds of behavior I could make make

up stuff too maybe some of it's true but it doesn't

excuse again talking to a a child and trying to have sex with

her again I when you when you say that

um you know I just I honestly I don't think it's fair to say that you put it

put it in your words how tonight should be looked at by I understand that how

everybody here would think that I understand that you would think it too what do you do exactly you're an insurance something I would think that

you would know it you would do a report on it and be like this [ __ ] guy is trying to bang this chick like

tonight you know you didn't come down three days ago when the mother was home you didn't come down during broad daylight you came down a Saturday night

booze seis yada yada yada I didn't search your car but you know there may

who knows maybe there's something else in your car you know a lot of guys bring condoms and different things and stuff like this

I don't know if you had those but um your mother could sign so it won't be an

issue come on just just please for your well-being in the future like admit it

to yourself and digest it and get help for it you know what I mean like I I

learned a Lon it's it's sick I learned a lesson it's not just like he you're on the fr it's a little questionable no

this is like horrible you know this is like awful I I you you have a view you think

it's awful um I think it's it's bad but my intentions are good my intentions

were never to have sex with her never my intentions were not to have sex with her

when unless it you said it before unless it was perfectly maybe not tonight unless it was perfectly

we'll never risk that okay so regardless of like the fact that she's that age if

there was some weird loophole in some you know uh older older law that we

could get we get some some relative to sign something and do something okay now it's legal she's still [ __ ] 13 years

old dude if if we fell in love with each other are you really at that level with

this chick this like kind of I said if aren't you jumping like way way way

ahead yeah just I always think she 1 you wanted to get her drunk tonight basically you did you did come on we

looked at your phone right well yeah it says that but yeah I didn't say it you doesn't mean

doesn't mean we're weren't going to just have one drink so again you you know you're

assuming all this stuff she's 13 you're assuming all vodka you didn't say we

could have a little sip and who are you in her life anyways to even talk about that come on just I don't want to go

round and around with you it's getting late it's kind of frustrating I was I was hoping you'd come around to like the

side that is like kind of you know right and maybe when you looked at what you did tonight you'd be like holy [ __ ] did

I [ __ ] up go of course I'm not an idiot I understand I don't think you are either I understand that's why I'm

surprised that you're you're kind of stoic like no my intentions were pure well I'm just being honest but listen I understand I

understand that there's a lot of there's a lot of wrong here I understand that totally and and you are the adult in the

equation it's not like you're you know 15 and she's 12 and like you're you're

you should know better you're 44 list listen like I said like I said

detective I know this is wrong I know that it looks awful yeah and and if I

was to walk out of here right now I've I've learned a nasty lesson and that

never to like even go near this again because it's not worth it no matter what

the intentions are that's what I've learned I mean I'm scared shitless right

now I'm not showing it maybe this is my personality a lot of people think I'm

you know some people think I'm cocky some people think I'm confident but whatever I mean a lot of times I'm not

that's my personality I I know I have

weaknesses yes I'm lonely I mean I I've had trouble like you know meeting people you know just so

yeah I go online and I talk to people it's like something to do something a lot of people do it I've talked to other

people about that but what but why they talk to random people cuz I want to know

what other people like what what do they I nobody has an issue with you're all

consenting adults if you're talking to random people by all means do she was the only one that happened to be yeah

but happened to be what young young yeah like 13 yes too young I should not like

shouldn't be talking to her 17 or 16 I get it I shouldn't be talking to her you're just not digesting that whole

part of it like it's how wrong that is you're just still kind of like well you're lonely so yeah everybody's got a song and a dance and say I have OCD and

I'm lonely I'm depressed and okay fine but she's 13 you can you can you can be your if

you are no offense like lonely and depressed self at 44 and try to cope

with that as an adult person in society right in medication and other avenues and you got probably insurance and a

good job and you're you're going to pray on a 13-year-old girl I know and give her alcohol to [ __ ]

her to make yourself feel better on a Saturday night right like seriously that's what happened like just about

guarantee it so you say what you want I don't want to argue with you no offense

you believe what you believe supposedly I'm not sure if you even do and I kind of know what I

know and that's it but your your charg I told you about your charges I'll show

them to you downstairs and if they didn't talk to you about bond yet maybe they

didn't uh we'll talk about bond with the lieutenant and um you know that's kind

of it for this moment but do you have any questions for

me if we're just kind of going around and around you know it's a little frustrating yeah I'm sorry it's

frustrating for you well it it'd be less frustrating and I'd feel better about you in the whole situation if you were

like oh my god did I [ __ ] up or what like that was horrible I I probably did

want to get laid sometimes whether it's the OCD or the depression or both get the best of me I was focused on her

nobody else is in whatever I don't put words in your mouth but like something like that but do you see how [ __ ] up

this is you know Jeff oh my God I do and I got to get help and but you're still

acting like you're your intentions were pure and you really weren't going to do anything so bad and that's just not

true i' give you the benefit of the doubt if I thought there was a benefit of in the it was a doubt but there isn't

at the end of the day nobody got hurt because we stepped in I don't know that this has never happened before where you

were successful in your conquest or whatever you want to call it but at least today

like we were able to step in you didn't get hurt she didn't get hurt cuz she you

know we were there but if we weren't a 12 or 13y old girl would probably be

cocked right now and you'd be as an adult man doing kind of whatever you wanted to her with her and her mother's

not home till whatever tomorrow or the next

day I mean if you see in the note in the in the notes I I wasn't planning on staying over I told her that I told her

I to go home cuz I have a dog blah blah blah I mean I I I wish I had I wish I had more

text about like about that stuff but I mean it's just that stuff that you there's probably there's probably a lot

of innocent texts I'm sure there are like most of us we have like stupid you know just kind of random little thoughts

and things but when you're talking again with this younger girl about you know having sex with her and

it's just it's just I don't know how you you try to

defend what your intentions were because I just don't think they were detective

yeah why would I tell her all of the ramifications I could go to jail blah

blah blah all this stuff about being with a minor why would I go through all that telling her that if I didn't like

actually care about it I do care about it you care about getting caught you didn't want to get caught no yeah and no

I care about because I can't I don't even know if I could have trust her you know right so you're let you're warning

her to not tell anybody well even saying that doesn't mean anything I mean it's well otherwise you wouldn't say it right

no but like it doesn't it really in the end it doesn't mean anything if you don't know somebody you know true she she could be blurting out to everybody

on Facebook but you were telling her for self-interest to kind of protect your own

ass cuz you know it's wrong and she may or may not know it's wrong but you're telling her it's wrong and you can get

in a lot of trouble so you're kind of warning her like keep it quiet and yeah but I also know detective I also know

that this type of thing if I was to go through with with this like you think I was going to do I also know that just

because she says that she's not going to tell anyone I can't take her at her W and that's why I wasn't going to have

sex with her I wanted to meet her and that's it believe don't believe me but n no

offense I really don't but don't if you drank some vodka and you you limited her to her intake or supposedly and she got

a little bit drunk and her mother got upset tomorrow because have to bottle of vodka gone and she rats you out or the

mother goes through the phone and finds out that you were over you're okay with that that's okay no getting a

13-year-old drunk on a Saturday night no and you know what the second allegation would be right the mother's be going to

be like this weird guy from Boston came down and [ __ ] my daughter and I want to do a rape kit and I want him arrested

and looks bad the daughter's going to say no we didn't have sex and you're going to say no I don't know what you're talking about we have to do this whole

thing in reality maybe it did have sex and we think I wouldn't be charging

you if I didn't think that that was your intention just so you know so you can charge me based on it you're you've

already been charged yeah those three charges criminal

attempt because if we weren't in these positions in that house and you actually

had that girl like that real girl and you came down to meet her yeah we believe that that was your intention yes

to have sex with her not to kiss her and give her a hug but to have sex with

her okay you wouldn't be here otherwise that's our intention I understand I mean

that was that's our position so um anyways I don't want to you know

again go round and around with you right and I I don't want you to think that I I that I'm just not taking this seriously

I think you take it it serious I just don't think you're being honest with yourself no you know it's you're not

unique in that a lot of people try to I'm admitting yes I mean I agree to all that we we talked about having sex and

we talked about are you a virgin like why do you give a [ __ ] if this girl's a virgin if you're not going to have sex with her which again we've already gone

round and around like I know what your I I believe I know what your intentions were but it's like they can ask a

13-year-old girl that you slept with one guy more than

once couple times I'm surpris like would do that most girls at your age are

virgins so I'm I'm impressed how would you do it what who would do

it okay I mean

goad I realize I I I I guess I I can't say it any differently

I I know I shouldn't I know I shouldn't have been talking to her and I regret that

and that makes me feel a little better initially you were like I shouldn't have come down here no you [ __ ] up when you

started talking to her yes that's wrong you're right I shouldn't be talk to her I shouldn't and then it only got worse

from there I shouldn't be tempted like that you know to to come down and yes then you know you're I know you're

saying that one thing leads to another and and you know sex can happen but I'm being

honest and I'm being honest when I say I was not going to have sex with her I

wasn't going to risk I was not going to risk going to

jail not today right supposedly Maybe not today who wasn't making that decision right now who wasn't me I

wasn't going to make that decision I was just want to meet her and see if I even liked her and she liked me I mean that's

that's really the if you hit it off and you have a glass of vodka or whatever orange juice and vodka or something

she's cute and you're like get the house to yourself and you got a SE allb and a hole in your pocket I'm I'm I'm saying

I'm telling you I went in with the mindset that I wasn't going to have sex yeah that's that's great that's the

mindset I've gone in places I've gone in places with a good mindset and the [ __ ] [ __ ] goes upside down with a minute

right right because a lot of people don't care about circumstances I know you did and your research did and everything right I care

about it I don't want to like I don't want to go to jail so I mean why risk it why risk my whole life I didn't think

going down to meet her and just like see if I liked her was going to

be an issue because I had no bad intentions well that's that's open for

debate I know it's open for debate it looks bad yeah it looks bad I agree all right listen we we probably beat this

dead horse going around and around but listen I understand I'm glad you talk to me I appreciate it I understand why you

think I I get it I get why you think my intentions were different I get it's cuz

you think it too no I I get it yeah as you should as everybody should period no

big deal I don't even know you you're probably like a decent human being somewhere in there and made really bad

choices to why would I why would I lie to you though why would I lie to cuz you can't face the

truth that's a reality I mean it could it could be a combination of the OCD stuff do you

think do you think if I walk out of here right now uh that I would do this again after all of this today no whenever yeah

if I if I walked out right now do you think I would do this again ever again right away whenever in my life probably probably not right away do I think you'd

do it eventually if you didn't seek some type of help for it I really yeah I

do I don't know one guy now maybe guys I know do it and I'm unaware of it but I

don't know anybody in my personal life or professional life in even in their

20s that would talk to a 12 or 13-year-old girl about anything other than coaching soccer cuz their daughter

plays on the team nothing sexual there's no texting there's nothing creepy I'm just asking you what

you think of me like do you think that I could control myself and not do this and you think I've learned a lesson you just

told me you have OCD so bad you went to a convention you apparently can't control yourself at certain times right

no offense but OCD is is unrelated whatever maybe it is I'm not a doctor maybe it's not maybe there's there's

other issues I can control myself the medication well could you control yourself with this well I can control

myself by action I could control my actions you drove down the [ __ ] the mother's gone and you wanted to get get her drunk so do

you think do you think that I would do this again after all of this after like all this I'm going to say I hope not

because I don't again I don't want to argue with you you don't think I could you don't you insulted me if you would do this insulting me if you would do

this up until this is tonight this isn't like 6 months ago right this is like right now tonight do I think you would

do it if for some reason you got out of this and there was some kind of weird you know hey Jeff

you're all set don't worry about court no no problem those charges are dropped see you later do I think you would do it

again yeah I do i' probably just just about bet my life and career on it actually because I don't think anybody

would do that and I do I think it's the first time you did it no I don't okay because that's just if it is

the first time it's almost more bizarre than if it's not because if it's the first time what what the [ __ ] drove you to do that where would understand it

more if you said yeah I always kind of like like the younger teenage girls and this girl is a little younger than most

but you know what I mean but you're actually acting like well no she was pretty cool I want to hang I'm like that's just to me it's it's I can't wrap

my head around that one again knowing girls of that age I know what they look like and act like uh

other than texting like stuff like hey there's a game tomorrow make sure everybody's there or something that

ain't happening you know what I mean I'm not asking for you're a virgin or whatever all the other stuff we've

already covered so until you recognize that and like kind of accept it doesn't mean

anything and there's that guy that's looking at you right there and that little reflection then you're never going to

get well either you can't you can't you can't take me at my word when I say I

don't know that I've learned oh I'm sure you learned it probably sucks yeah I'm sure that in that respect yeah I wouldn't want to go near this situation

you wouldn't want it do I think you can control it really you don't think I really no because why would you do it if

you could control it as soon as you found out she was 12 or 13 whatever's in dispute here you

should have been like peace I'm out of here good luck with the teenage boys or

whatever instead you continue this whole thing for weeks and I was wrong to do that and drive from a major metropolitan

area where there's probably to be cruded all kinds of women let's to say and

you're coming down to Fairfield Connecticut to meet this 13-year-old tired to meet women where I am but anyways that's another story you you you

get my point I know your point is there's millions of people in the Boston area the people that are transient and

regular permanent people I really wanted to pray on 13-year-old girls why wouldn't I just do it up in Boston maybe

you do I don't know I see I don't know right you don't know know me I don't

know you so I'm assuming that you know this is the first time possibly but do I know that no I don't know know

that um so my question is

um can you tell me the bond What bond is I actually don't know but when I walk

you downstairs I'll find out okay um

what's I mean what's the next what's going to happen well there's going to be a bond and either you're able to post

the bond at which point you would usually get a bondsman and get out and have a future court date I didn't see

what they gave you for a court date if you can't post the bond today's Saturday night we keep you till Monday morning

and we bring you over to the court in Bridgeport at which point you'd be arraigned and they'd either you know

continue or keep the bond at that level or they would drop it down or maybe in the meantime you made arrangements to

post the bond do that make sense so if you can't post the bond

you're going to be in our custody from today until Monday morning and you could actually remain in custody even though

you go to court that day depending on the bond but if the bond is doable for

you you would get out and return to court like say in two weeks to go to

your first court date which would would be that would be like yeah that would be down here in Bridgeport next to next to

Fairfield and that would be like the your first court date of probably several regarding this

I'm not trying to beat you up it was a horrible decision I hope it was the first time you ever did this it was the

first and yes it was a horrible decision but it it it's I guess it just hasn't it's terrible hasn't like and you you'll

get it at some point I assume I don't know you but I know you'll be like holy [ __ ] what did I do I have already soon

as that guy walked in I said that in my head cuz

but um yeah I don't know how the I don't know

how the bond thing works so I'll find out what it is when I bring you downstairs and just uh you know you can

make a phone call at some point and see if you could raise it if you just want to sit quiet for tonight we put you in a in a cell with a a blanket you go to bed

we give you a breakfast in the morning we keep you tomorrow Sunday we keep you all day till Monday morning we bring you

to court that makes sense yeah I'm just worried about my dog at home so have to

figure out what to do with that um still planning on going home tonight

well I mean depending on what the bond is but um if I can't I mean I don't know

we'll see what it is I guess usually have you ever been arrested or in any trouble no never in your life all right

give me give me two seconds let me just grab somebody and we'll uh go downstairs okay here's a bathroom yeah I'll let you

do it let me just yeah get somebody for give me this yeah little hand

here for

all right Jeff we're going to go downstairs with M Sergeant Paris here I'm going to cut you

again all right on with this

sir you good I'm good thank thank you good luck to thanks

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your bond is 750,000 make a phone

call yeah

number the bathroom first yeah okay

you what you do for life of it for large companies how's

your salary what's that how's your salary yeah I mean it's it's okay I mean I I do

it's for Insurance on just

you see you said

750,000 so remind me what happens can so can't postpone you you'll stay

overnight until Monday morning which will bring you to court in the morning a Monday they will arain you the judge

will either keep the bond raise it or lower it it's up it's up to the judge

based upon what he reads that we send to him he reviews the case it's not going

to be Monday is going to be what they call an arraignment which means they review

everything they review the charges they review what you're being charged with and then from that point on they determine if your bond is raised lower

or or M same if he determines that it Remains

the Same then they they give you a future court date usually a month or so

ahead of time and you don't you don't get released until you post that

Bond so where would I stay here no you know there's a there's a jail in

brickboard which could be anywhere be a jail on Bridgeport could be a jail on chesher be

anywhere your family local here or is it everybody in Massachusetts

Massachusetts if you were to call somebody who would you call depends what I'm call

I don't think I I

mean yeah I don't think I can get the money for for that type of bond but

um I guess

even if I call my parents are the only ones that keys in the

house doesn't assum you have to tell them why they're going to your house take care of the

dog buy yourself some time

so I can only call one person I give you an opportunity to call what you need to do to get yourself out

I have to think about it I just don't know all right well this is your opportunity you don't get any once I

leave here you're not going to get an opportunity for a phone

call the mean sign this says I have your your property your credit cards wallet

your belt your jacket no other property here right your cell phones in our custody so

how does uh how does it work like if I let's say somebody does have Bond how

how would they get it here they have to call a bond probably a bond would come down arrange

with them whether it be they put their house on on the line they post money

typically bondsmen want 10% of what a the bond is so let's say you need 7,000

they want 75,000 probably somewhere around there um and then from that point

on they'll say Okay want that money and a house to put on the line that's worth

$500,000 and they'll post the bond for you so that they know you're not going to fle the country you're going to

appear on your court date so what I would do is call somebody

to say list is my bond is 750,000 I have stuck here in Fairfield is there a chance you can work

on a bondsman to see if they can Bond

me is that something that they negotiate with the bondsman as far as like what

percentage I see

uh but you're saying typically it's 10% typically I know they by law they have

to charge a certain amount certain percentage inste

10% so if it's 10% prob he would that he would need 75,000 now and the rest of

the bond gets paid later the bonds would post the bond for you and the 75,000 is

gone that's their payment that's their fee oh it's a fee it's not part of the 750 no that's their fee they post

750,000 they charge 10% 75,000 is their fee for coming here posting your 750,000

how do they collect what's that how do they collect it different credit card

sometimes cash check but but well no I'm just I'm just curious like when would

the rest of it have to be paid the bond yeah like once you like like say PID

75,000 P they post the bond once you appear in court you're now out on bond

so long as you appear in court if you don't appear in court that's how they have bounty hunters because now they I'm

confused sorry just I need the the $750,000 is money to say we think this

is what is going to uphold for him to go to court $750,000 if he does not appear in court I'll have

a warrant for his arrest and done okay in order for me to get out of here

tonight what has to happen you need to post $750,000 Cash Call a

bondsman or the bondsman will post the bond for you $750,000 and they say for our for us

coming out here posting $750,000 we charge

75,000 you give them 75,000 once you go to court Court the court says okay now

your bond is know and void you've appeared in court so okay so but he

needs to get paid for this oh oh does he get he gets that 75 grand okay and then

the 7 750 goes away 750 goes away because it's your bounty to uphold you

going to court oh so as long as I go to court I don't have to pay that 750 correct if you let's say let's say

right now you you give me $750,000 cash well that's not going to happen I'm just no I'm just making it

easy let's say today you give me $750,000 cash okay you're you're free to go once you go to court you get that

money back oh the bondsman post that high bond for

you and they charge you less so you don't have to post 750,000 you post

75,000 but but unfortunately you get that's not money you get back that's what they post that they charge so that

they don't don't lose out on 750,000 because if you don't go to court the court charges them

$750,000 all right so just let me just review this if I got if I got somebody

to find a bondsman and they charge him 75,000 he he whoever gives him 75 cash

75,000 cash I'm able to leave because he's posting Bond and then um as long as

I appear in court I don't have to pay anything else

Mar yeah you won't have any more than that than their fee the 75 m

if I was to pay the 750,000 tonight I get that back the

first court date get it back when you go to court the first time

mhm the first time first time when' you go to

court um

all right there's one other thing I'm confused about

if why would the

bondsman like in other words if somebody somebody I called didn't have the cash but they had a house M um the bondsman

could require put the lean on their house the

lean for the it would have to be for the full amount or for just for his fee no

the full amount because now the bondsman so cuz he has to pay it

m so you don't have a house worth that much it's not out

yeah I just I just need to think about this for a second sorry

does the um the bond has to be paid cash

mhm um and so what do I make the call right

here

yeah all right time to go seriously I can't can't hang it out anymore I I understand your predicament but I can't

delay it what number should I call for you okay um well the numers on my cell phone I

don't have your cell phone sees his

evidence okay no way you can get

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it I I'm know that all right um

so if I don't call anyone now I have to wait until Monday morning

M okay um

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answer there's no call back you can call back what's the number oh here yeah no

there's another number here you can call I'll let you call back

I can't give him a number to call back there's no yeah there's no number to call back try it

again you to press nine

first one one

that

I'm picking up you have another number

can I just try one more time you got to make some arrangement for your dog too you can't leave your dog in there otherwise I'll have to call

the animal control in your town and then have to get in your house and take your dog so that that's got to be a priority

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