War Thunder Sim Battles recommented list adjustment of vehicles
Post date: Feb 24, 2018 11:50:26 AM
Ground Vehicles that need lower access: (not necessarily moving them entirely, but add them to a lower rotation)
Germany
Waffentrager Krupp-Steyr "Waffle tiger" (although it won't honestly do any better at lower ranks anyway)
Panzer IV/70A (obvious weakspots)
Panzer IV/70V (Would negate the reaosn to use the jagdpanzer IV though, but the Panther D negates the reason to use this vehicle too especially considering it is actually tankier than the Panzer IV/V. Also its upgraded 80mm armour would be too much for russians)
Jagdpanzer IV (Would negate the reason to use the Stug III F)
hetzer (May be a little too OP considering russians don't have suitable guns to counter hetzer unless attacking from the side)
Kanonen Jpz 4-5
Panther G (no reason to use this vehicle when the panther II is there. Also its actually easier to kill and moves slower with a slower turret traverse than the panther A, so, lmao) Done!
Brummbar
Coelian (not that successful as support role?)
Kugelblitz (not that successful as support role?)
Leopard 1 (gets rekt by PT76s and just about everything it meets) Done! In 8_2_2
Panzer VIII Maus (Would serve as the ultimate heavy tank balancer for late war axis, besides Allies already have plenty manoeuvrable tanks capable of easily taking it down in the size of most maps). IS-3 should also go down if the Maus goes down.
Japan
Na-To (In fact it shouldn't even be in 5_1 due to how terrible its gun is and how it lacks any other good quality)
Ho-Ni (Both) series
Ho-I
Type 60 SRPG (to fill in the gap that Japan is missing between ho ri production and chi to/late)
12cm Chi Ha Done!
Chi Ri (just fat and slow) Gaijin buffed the chi ri with the FIRST ORDER loading update. It doesn't use the first order reload system but still has a 4 second reload, so what the heck, i guess it's balanced now?
Just about every japanese medium and light tank before the Chi Nu
Type 60 ATM (we all know how bad this is even in non-SB modes) Now has access to 8_2_2
STA-2 (what's the point of keeping it seperate from the STA-1, which performs practically identically if not worse?)
STB-1 (Provided the T-62M and the T-55AM cancer tanks remain in 9_2)
M42 "Duster" (6_1 has no SPAA)
USSR
T-50
ISU-152 (should NOT be a heavy tank destroyer class, restricted to the 6.7 equivalent lineup and above)
SU-152 (should NOT be a heavy tank destroyer class) Patch 1.79 finally gave it two spawns
ISU-122 + -122S (should have matchup access to Tiger I rotation with the current shell penetration, 4_1)
Su 122-54 (post war vehicle with APDS/HEATFS) (Questionable?)
Su 100P (manoeuvrability counters for its poor statistics)
Su 100Y "Box Cannon" (I have yet to see anyone perform good in this tank destroyer, moreso it counts as a heavy tank destroyer I think)
T-34 1942 (practically the same as the T-34 1941)
KV-1S: Same reason as above. Actually has less armour anyway. Trades side armour (quite a significant change in ability to tank up damage) for a better gun.
IS-1: There's next to no reason to use this vehicle over the T-34-85 unless it gets double spawn access.
Zis-43 (It wobbles as if it's going to tip over, and is terrible as SPAA)
ZSU-57 (close the gap between ZSU-37 and ZSU-57)
BM-8-24 "Mini Katyusha on Tracks" (currently only available in 2_1 with 24mm penetration)
YaG 29-K (Soviet Flak Truck equivalent)
IS-3 (Only if the PzKfw VIII Maus gets put down)
UK
Tortoise (armour is comparable to the Ho Ri Production but is still penetrable by most axis guns which negates its armour)
FV4005 (a.k.a. 183mm derp box)
Churchill Mk III (Provided Panzer IV F-2 remains in 2_1)
Churchill "Black Prince" (premium, currently only available in 5_1 and 6_1, axis already has the panther to counter it, and if this passes, so will the type 60 SRPG)
USA
M4A3 (105mm and 75mm) (how is this any much better than the A2? A3 fights with tiger Is, 105mm doesn't fight against middle ranged Pz IIIs)
M36 GMC
M6A1 Heavy
Calliope "Sherman with Rockets Rack"
T95 (If the Maus and IS-3 gets put down)
M103
Italy
M26 Pershing Ariete (but lowering it creates the inevitable "captured premium" problem. Limited skins are ideal.)
France
ARL-44 ACL
AMX-13 DCA 40
... and just about all SPAA that use Bofors auto cannons as their only armament (they fire too slowly to be effective against aircraft, and has 76mm penetration at point blank, reducing to 34mm at 30 degrees at 1000m)
These should probably get a step-down access because there's hardly any reason to use them when there's a more tankier, faster and better gunned vehicles in the lineups they have access to. While the hetzer/jagdpanzer series are indeed good vehicles for their current matchup, they aren't used much at all because there's hardly any reason to use them, and people that do use them generally do terrible anyway.
Aircraft that need lower access: (although they may also remain in the current lineup as a bonus availability)
Germany
Do 335 (all). A-0 is also missing from all rotations strangely enough. Despite being Germany's fastest vehicle at low altitude, its also one of the worst.
Ta 152 (all) + FW190D (Why the heck does the bearcat get access? Plus Gaijin doesn't realise how ineffective and generally terrible German rank IV vehicles are.
FW190 A-8, (generally ineffective in most people's hands, and besides brittish get access to the LF mk 9 early)
FW190 D series (Counter the Bearcat, AD-4, A-26, F4U and just about every stupid plane gaijin added to the allied bias)
Me 262 (A series) + He 162 because there's absolutely next to no reason to fly this plane. The A-2A is an exception with its bomb load though.
USSR
Yak 3p(?)
La-9 (Hopeless cockpit. It's a fine super prop, don't get me wrong, but is anyone even good at this vehicle in fighter x fighter engagements? yeah nah.
I-185 series (It doesn't "need" to be downtiered but its suitable for 4_1 due to the difficulty to use it)
Regular Mig 9 + Yak-15
USA
F-82: Rarely seen aircraft. Usually P-51D/H is favoured over this.
P-80A (? - carries a very powerful ground strike loadout)
SB2C: Wants to crash on its own by being flown
F7F series: Big target, no one really likes to fly these.
UK
Seafire FR 47
Meteor mk 3
Japan
Ki-61 Hei
Kikka
France and Italy: I don't know the performances of their early jet aircraft so I won't say here.
Vehicles that need to be moved up: (Overpowered)
Germany
Panzer IV F-2
KV-1B 756(r) "75mm captured KV" (combined with the german 75mm gun, it is already op enough as is with its armour, russians cannot counter it well like the other 76mm caputured KV-1B)
M10 Ersatz "Warcrime Panther" (Its as good as the panther A). Should also have access to 6_1 to encourage panther usage in that matchup.
Sd.Kfz 234/2 "puma"
Sd.Kfz 234/4 "pakwagon/75mm puma"
Bf109 E-4/E-7
Bf109 G-6
Hummel jk we don't have that vehicle in-game
USA
M3 Stuart
P-47D series (All)
Grizzly
A-26B
M18 GMC
AD-2
P-61 Series
F4U-7
XA-38
UK
All non-naval spitfires in 3_1 should be moved up to 4_1, 4_1 to 5_1, 5_1 up to 6_1 respectively. 6_1 is currently identicle to 5_1 anyway.
Centurion mk 3
A.C.IV "Thunderbolt" (Has more penetration and armour than a T-34/85 despite having access to the lineup below it)
USSR
T126 (Acts like the IS-6 of 1_1. It is basically an up-armoured T-50, meanwhile the T-50 doesn't have access to 1_1)
T-54-1949 ? (I don't personally have a problem with them, but apparently many people do.)
Object 906 Done!
T-III (Problematic camoflage)
IS-4M
IS-6 (not just because of its armour, but for its mobility combined WITH that armour. Also see this buff) Armour value fixed
IS-7
T-62M-1
La5F (replace with regular La 5 in 2_1)
Yak-9T
IL-28
France
Lorraine 40t Done!
AD-4 Done!
Italy
AD-4 Done!
Japan
A6M2 series (currently has access to 1_1. Should be encouraging ki-27s and the alike instead)
Ki-84 Hei
All Nations (Aircraft):
Some Endgame jets with ground striking capability:
F86 Sabres (rocket spam)
Mig 15 bis/17 (rocket spam)
etc. The only reason why I'm writing it here is because I've seen people complain about them, not that I have a problem with them personally.
Vehicles that are suitable for upper match access (they are suitable for higher matches but doesn't necessarily mean they are overpowered):
Germany
Panzer 38(t) F (has the higher pen APC)
Stug III F
Panther A (Better than the Panther G)
Sturmpanzer II (152mm howitzer)
Panzer IV E (60mm frontal armour AND it is lighter than the F-1 variant makes it competitive in 2_1)
Panzer IV F-2 (needs to be available up to 4_1 and maybe 5_1 due to its effectiveness, germany needs a "light" tank and this fits the role nicely)
Sd.Kfz 221 (Rank 1 Car with 20mm gun)
Sd.Kfz 234/2 (Somewhat Better than the Pz IIIs available, germany needs a non-premium fast light vehicle)
Sd.Kfz 234/4 "pakwagon" "pak40 (75mm) puma" (stuitable to fight against t-34-85 and perhaps even T-44s)
Bf109 G-6, G-14, G-10
BF 110 (F-2, G-2) - Germany doesn't have a suitable ground striker other than the FW190 F-8 in the late war lineups
Japan
Ho Ro (152mm howitzeR)
Ki-44-II Otsu (it should be universal or at least available up to 4_1 as it is a good bomber interceptor. Japan lacks a decent bomber interceptor before the Ki-61 Hei. Its performance is also too op for 1_1)
STB-1 (should at least be capable of getting the same matchup as the type 74)
A6M3 series
Type 60 SPRG
USSR
Premium KV-2 versions (e.g. Zis-6, give them some meat to shoot. I don't own these vehicles but I think it'll do fine if they are available in a higher matchups anyway)
Zis-30
RBT-5 (It's a BT-5 with bomb launchers capable of taking out a maus in one hit!)
T-54 1947 (200mm penetratin 100mm is still relevant in 9_1)
IS-1 (albeit worse than a T-34-85)
IS-2 (contextually performs almost identically to the1944 but doesn't have 6_1 access currently)
SU-6 AM-42
T-126
ASU-57
ZiS-12
BTR-152A
IL-2M, IL-2 1942, IL-2 1941
Yak-9t
USA
All M3/M5 Stuarts + M8A1
M24 + M24(TL)
M18 Hellcat (why stop at 5_1 when axis' tanks at 6_1 are almost the same?)
Super Hellcat
A-36 (a.k.a. attacker variant of the P-51)
P-38 series
F6F
AD-2 Done!
AD-4 Done!
M26 (should be able to fight alongside the italian premium)
UK
Matilda mk II
AEC mk.II
3-inch Gun Carrier
Hurricane series
France
Lorraine 40t Done!
CA Lorraine
Missing Aircraft that would be expected to be seen in SB Tanks but currently missing:
Germany
Do335 A-0
Ju 87R (1000kg bomb, suitable for 4_1 onwards)
Do217 N (night fighter variants, bomber interception)
FW 190 A-1, A-4 (suitable for 3_1)
Ju 87 R-2
USA
P-51H
A-26 (PS4 premium, although in my honest opinon the A26 series shouldn't really be in SB tanks anyway)
Japan
J7W1: Would be suitable for the 5_1 as well due to its lack of performance in SB.
Ki-43-I (2_1, 3_1)
Ki-43-III (5_1, 6_1)
B7A2 (6_1, 8_1)
B5N2 (4_1, 5_1)
Ki-83 (5_1, 6_1, 7_1 although lacks ground striking capability)
USSR
I-153 chaika series. Like the I-16s, they have somewhat suitable rockets. Tbh I-153 chiaka might be better off in the 2_1 rotation and up due to how good it is.
LaGG-3-8
La-5
UK
Spitfire mk V series (replace the F mk 9 in 3_1)
Seafire series (place in 5_1 and 6_1)
Also, 1_1 needs to be split up into two rotations because it is very unbalanced. Newbies will struggle to do anything with their reserves and post-reserve vehicles in especially japan and france.
"Captured Premium" vehicles and the alike should have limited skin selection.
e.g.
T-V,T-III, German KV-1E 76mm, T-34 747(r), M26 must not have the identical or similar skins to the originals available in selected matchups (i.e. NATO vs USSR has no problems so free skin selection is okay there. Japanese M26 shouldn't be allowed the forest camoflage, there shouldn't be yellow-only T-V skins allowed, nor grey T-IIIs). If there is no alternative skin, it should be as simple as fetching a skin from the live community and automatically granting it as rent-premium skin for the sake of SB that should require no more than 30 lines of code.
Aircraft that shouldn't really be in SB Tanks lineups at all or should be moved up two or more lineups where possible due to their overpoweredness:
A-26 series
P-61 series
TODO