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A couple of Apollo 15 original pictures show an unusual cigar-shaped object on the backside of the Moon

The "Apollo 20"

An American-Soviet Classified Mission For An Abandoned Alien Ship On The Moon?

Released Controversial Footages on YouTube - Leak of Information or Skilful Fake?

by Luca Scantamburlo

freelance and writer

May 17, 2007

from AngeliSmarriti Website

A recent controversial footage of about 6 minutes (which seems a digital transfer from a film, and that we can call the “Apollo 20 footage”) released on YouTube is causing amazement inside the ufological public on the Web, all around the world. The footage would be the presumed shooting realized during a NASA classified mission, in the ‘70s: the “Apollo 20” mission or, as it is suggested by the subtitles of the dialogues between the crew and the Mission Control, the “Vandenberg 20”.

I remember to everybody that the last official landing mission on the Moon was the “Apollo 17” (NASA), which took place in December 1972, and that the Apollo 20 mission was cancelled by NASA in 1970. For sure, if the footage is not a hoax or a fake, the purpose of that mission would have been to shoot close to a mysterious object for understanding its origin. And, maybe, to organize a secret retrieval if possible.

But the presumed footage of “Apollo 20” is not the only material which came out in the last days: it was also released by someone a presumed studio for the flyover of the assumed alien spaceship (available on YouTube a so-called preflight study for Apollo 20). And moreover on YouTube we have also several shots of the strange object on the backside of the Moon (whose numbers would be AS20-1020, AS20-1022 and AS20-FWD-7250).

Presumed photo taken by Apollo 20 on the backside of the Moon

Fake or truth?

Regarding the video, as introduction we have a sort of marking (with the presumed logo of the mission) and, as result of a former recording on the tape, just a second of another marking about a video of the Apollo 11 Mission. So, if the first seconds seem not to be reliable but strongly contradictory, the following part of the video looks like interesting, well done and cohering with an old space hand-made shooting during a flyover of the Moon. Anyway, the video is an editing of at least two scenes, both of them apparently taken flying over the surface of the Moon.

According to the file-card of the YouTube user (“retiredafb”) who uploaded the controversial footages and shots (a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda),

“Apollo 20 went to the moon august 16 1976. Destination was Iszak D, southwest of Delporte Crater, farside of the moon. The mission was soviet-american. Crew was William Rutledge CDR, former of bell laboratories, Leona Snyder CSP bell laboratories, and Alexei Leonov, soviet cosmonaut former "Apollo Soyouz" (mission one year earlier).”

But the most interesting information are about the presumed alien ship:

“[…] the ship was very old, age has been estimated 1.5 billion of years. Meteorite impacts, and dust/hills coverings testified that. Note that the ship has already been explored before the first human expedition reached the lunar singularity.”

Is this man an American or Soviet former technician, who worked as insider during the 70s on Space classified missions and that now lives in Africa? Even the “Apollo 20 the legacy part 1 The City” (below video) is a very interesting and evocative footage.

There is also the presumed lift off of the Apollo 20.

I am not a photographer; neither an expert of special effects nor an informatics technician. So I am not in the position to say something about the features of the footage. But what it is very interesting is that there is really a strange object on the Moon, and its shape is very close to that one showed in the video: I am talking about the object visible in a couple of NASA pictures taken by the Apollo 15 mission (click below images.)

The cigar-shaped object looks like leant beside a crater, lightly oblique; we can argue this because the unidentified object casts a shadow on the surface. And the visible zone in the footage is very similar to the visible region in some originals NASA photos taken by Apollo 15:

the Moon region coordinates where there is the unusual object are the following:

• • Latitude: 10° S

  • Longitude: 117.5° E, Southwest of Delporte and North of Izsak.

I have checked on a Lunar chart: it is on the backside of the Moon.

The official NASA photos are available by the website of the Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI, in Houston), which is a “research institute that provides support services to NASA and the planetary science community” - (the AS15-P-9630 and the AS15-P-9625, from the the Apollo Image Atlas - below images).

The pictures were taken in 1971 by Apollo 15, during the revolution number 38, from an altitude of 117 km. The two original photos have both the following features: Image Width: 45.24 inch - Image Height: 4.5 inch; Film Color: black & white. If you pay attention to the center, move a little bit to the right and zoom the picture, you can see the mysterious object.

Now we can ask ourselves: does NASA classified missions really exist? Or did they exist in the past? The answer could be yes. First of all there are two sites for the launches of the Space Shuttles and of the spacecrafts generally: one is the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, and the other one is the Vandenberg Air Force Base, in California.

Moreover there are several witnesses and references: one given by Clark McClelland (ex NASA engineer) and another one given by Robert M. Collins, former USAF Captain. In Italy, for instance, I have found a very significant assertion made by two Italian university professors: Luigi Balis Crema and Antonio Castellani, both of them teachers at “La Sapienza” Rome University, Faculty of Engineering.

At page 71 of their brilliant essay “L’esplorazione dello spazio”, which means “The Space Exploration” and published in Italy in 1997 (Newton & Compton Publisher), they write:

"Infine nell’ultimo volo dell’anno il Discovery, con un equipaggio interamente militare, compie l’ultima missione “segreta” per conto del ministero della difesa USA ponendo in orbita un satellite 'spia' di grandi dimensioni che riceve anche dei segnali laser da terra."

The cover of the historical essay written by L.Balis Crema and A. Castellani,

the two Italian university professors (Newton & Compton, 2001, Italy)

In the Italian text there is written that, regarding the 1992 year, the Shuttle Discovery made at the end of the year the "last 'secret' mission" for the DOD, with a "military crew".

About the two NASA pictures, authentic and showing the strange object, I made a short analysis using the Gimp software (version 2.2.10): my purpose was trying to give prominence to the edges of the huge object leant on the Moon surface.

ZOOM-AS15-P-9625.jpg – NASA, Apollo 15

Analysis using the Gimp Software- by L. Scantamburlo

Apart from this controversial footage, it is undeniable that on that occasion in 1971, the Apollo 15 took pictures that showed a strange and cigar-shaped object, whatever it is. Somebody could object that a metallic artificial structure should appear different compared with a rocky surface. This is not the case, but the reflection of light on an ancient structure, maybe covered by dust raised in the past by impacts with asteroids and meteors, could be similar to that one of a rocky surface. Even if it is a strange huge piece of rock leant by a crater, on the backside of the Moon there are anyway many strange objects.

Karl Wolfe, retired Sergeant with a top secret crypto clearance for the US Air Force (at Langley AFB in Virginia), witnessed about them during the NPC press conference occurred in May 9, 2001, at Washington D.C.; the press conference was organized by Dr. Steven Greer (Director of the Disclosure Project).

Retired Sergeant Karl WOLFE, US Air Force

Some frames from the video of the NPC press conference

( May 9, 2001, Washington D.C.)

In spite of he perhaps made a small mistake in recalling the exact year in which he faced Lunar Orbiter photos (the first Lunar Orbiter was launched in 1966, and Karl Wolfe talked about the year 1965; it is not possible; the last one, the 5th , was launched in 1967), Karl Wolfe spoke out in front of the journalists that an Airman Second Class told him at that time, by a photo laboratory at Langley:

By the way, we've discovered a base on the backside of the Moon.

After that, he showed to Wolfe photos taken by one of the Lunar Orbiter mission in which, according to Wolfe, there were structures half a mile in size. Some of them were buildings very tall, like towers; others were spherical and domed buildings, very large.

The cover of the documentary directed by Jose Escamilla

If somebody is skeptical and does not believe him, I suggest you to watch the outstanding documentary directed by Jose Escamilla:

“UFO. The Greatest Story Ever Denied.” (watch below clip)

You will see some photos taken by the Clementine Mission, in which it is clear that some features were airbrushed by NASA.

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An Ancient Alien Spacecraft On The Backside Of The Moon

An Alien Spaceship On The Moon

Interview With William Rutledge, Member Of The Apollo 20 Crew

According to William Rutledge in August 1976 there was a classified space mission:

the “Apollo 20”, which explored a huge alien spaceship

by Luca Scantamburlo

May 25, 2007

Italian journalist and freelancer

from AngeliSmarriti Website

Written Interview with William Rutledge, an “Apollo 20” astronaut (1976)

Interview carried out by YouTube Account /General Messages

May 25, 2007

A secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an American-Soviet collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it possible? Why not, if you consider that the existence of a Federal Agency like NRO(National Reconnaissance Office), and its missions of overhead reconnaissance, “were declassified in September 1992” (according to its official website). And is it really possible that such a collaboration has been prepared to explore a huge alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon?

William Rutledge (according to his story, a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda, former of Bell Laboratories and employed by USAF) is the name of the “deep throat” who, since April 2007, has been disclosing information and spreading a lot of video and photographic material on YouTube, about the presumed Apollo 20 space mission.

His user name on YouTube is “retiredafb”, and the most amazing footage he released so far is the presumed flyover of an ancient alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon by the Apollo 15 crew.

Frames from the beginning of the controversial “Apollo 20 footage”

See below video

The last official space mission to the Moon with crew was the Apollo 17 (NASA), which took place in December 1972, and the Apollo 20 mission was cancelled by NASA in January 1970.

But the presumed footage of Apollo 20 is not the only material which came out in the last weeks: it was also released by William Rutledge a presumed studio for the flyover of the assumed alien spaceship (see below video from YouTube of the so-called Preflight Study for Apollo 20).

And moreover on YouTube we have also several shots of the strange object on the backside of the Moon (whose numbers would be AS20-1020, AS20-1022 and AS20-FWD-7250).

According to the YouTube file-card on William Rutledge, who uploaded the controversial footages and shots,

“Apollo 20 went to the moon august 16 1976. Destination was Iszak D, southwest of Delporte Crater, farside of the moon. The mission was soviet-american. Crew was William RutledgeCDR, former of bell laboratories, Leona Snyder CSP bell laboratories, and Alexei Leonov, soviet cosmonaut former "Apollo Soyouz" (mission one year earlier).”

Presumed photo taken by Apollo 20 (1976?) Official NASA photo

Click above image to enlarge (detail of AS15-P-9630), Apollo 15 (1971)

There are a few inconsistencies in William Rutledge’s memories that you can find in reading this interview. It could be comprehensible if you think about an old man (76 years old) who is trying to recall historical facts and events of his life. So, I am not astonished if Rutledge, for instance in talking about the former Russian President Boris Yeltsin who used tanks and troops during the assault to the Parliament building, recalled the years 1995 or 1994 when the exact year of the small civil war was 1993 ([…]

“I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian parliament” by W. Rutledge, from the answer nr.8 of the interview).

I verified it later on an encyclopedia, but I could not answer before to such a question. I remembered only it occurred at the beginning of the ‘90s.

On the other hand William Rutledge showed me a knowledge of Geology, Chemistry and of space exploration history, using specific terms. For example, he mentioned in the interview a not well-know term: the “feldspathoid", a “mineral consisting of an aluminous silicate that has too little silica to form feldspar” (Webster’s Third New International Dictionary”, Könemann, 1993,pag. 835).

So, I have good grounds for believing William Rutledge’s testimony: first of all there really is (was?) a strange and big object on the far side of the Moon, and its shape is very close to that one showed in the video on YouTube: I am talking about the object visible in a couple of NASA pictures taken by the Apollo 15 mission. The cigar-shaped object looks like leant beside a crater, lightly oblique; and the visible zone in the footage is very similar to the visible region in some originals NASA photos taken by Apollo 15: the Moon region coordinates where there is the unusual object are the following: Latitude: 10° S - Longitude: 117.5° E, Southwest of Delporte and North of Izsak.

I have checked on a Lunar chart: it is on the backside of the Moon.

The official NASA photos are available on the website of the Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI, in Houston), which is a “research institute that provides support services to NASA and the planetary science community”: the pictures are the AS15-P-9630 and the AS15-P-9625, from the the Apollo Image Atlas.

Moreover, it is meaningful that the links were provided by William Rutledge (how did he know the details of those panoramic picture?).

A second reason, in my opinion, is that William Rutledge is not gaining money from doing that. A third reason is the detailed story he told me in the following interview, full of technical and other specific aspects coherent among them. There are just some incomplete biographical notes about the famous NASA astronauts. But he answered kindly to every single question I have put to him, without hesitation, and he provided several names of the presumed American and Soviet people involved in that classified space mission. Some of them are still alive. It could be interesting to be able having a comment from them.

The fourth reason is the quality of the footages on YouTube, which seem consistent with a shot equipment available during the ‘70s and the first ‘80s. I asked to an expert in shot, an Italian friend of mine whose name initials are F.D.

His comment about the footage spread by William Rutledge was the following:

“[…] i punti luce sovraesposti e la relativa 'scia' presentano tutte le caratteristiche dei difetti delle telecamere basate su tubo di tipo VIDICON. La 'scia' consiste in una persistenza del segnale video all'interno del tubo. […] Nonostante quest'ultimo sia un sistema di ripresa televisivo obsoleto, oggi la ditta Hamamatsu (www.hamamatsu.com) realizza telecamere VIDICON all'infrarosso.

In English it means:

“[…] the overexposed light points and the relative trail show all the features of the TV cameras faults based on VIDICON-type tube. The ‘trail’ is composed of a persistence of the video signal inside the tube. […] In spite this one is an obsolete TV shot system, today the Hamamatsu firm (www.hamamatsu.com) makes infrared VIDICON cameras.”

And, as a matter of fact, among the several different varieties of photographic equipment aboard the Apollo 17, there was a Westinghouse color TV camera, which could used in the command module, handheld or bracket-mounted. It is almost obvious thinking to a similar camera equipment for the presumed Apollo 20, taken place in 1976 according to William Rutledge.

The Space Shuttle Launch Sites and the Vandenberg Air Force Base, in California

Courtesy NASA

In any case, the public will be the first judge of this story, which could become in the near future the definitive proof that we are not alone in the Universe.

ZOOM-AS15-P-9625.jpg – NASA, Apollo 15

Analysis using the Gimp Software- by L. Scantamburlo

FOREWORD FOR THE READERS

In the following interview granted by William Rutledge who lives now in Africa, I have corrected (where I could) the orthographical mistakes that there were in the answers (e.g. I put the right capital letters and the right apostrophes), but I did not change the syntactical construction of the sentences made by William Rutledge. Where I was not able to understand his words, I put some dots between square brackets.

W. Rutledge told me he is now an old man with some problems to the his articulations; moreover, William explained to me that he’s always nervous when he writes. That’s why on YouTube you can find some mistakes in his comments (user name: retiredafb) posted with the footages.

Anyway, here you are some words written by him for the foreword to the following interview:

“I don’t use English since 1990 but Kinyarwanda and French, and I write quickly, sometimes letters are missing because I’m busy writing the next one, or it is another on the keyboard which is used, but that’s a detail…”

• 1. L.S. First of all I want to thank you for your time and availability. It means a lot for me and, I guess, for all the people around the world, very curious about what it is going on YouTube after the release of your amazing video footages and information on the presumed “Apollo 20” space mission. Now we can begin our interview. Because of my professional activity, I will start from a skeptical point of view. So please, I kindly ask you to understand it. You will have the space to answer and for explaining your reasons.

  2. What is your name? How old are you and are you an American citizen? Sometimes your written English contains some orthographical mistakes… Are you forgetting your language rules (e.g., you wrote “maicroscope” instead of “microscope”)? Somebody on the Web said you do not seem (considering your writings) an American-English native land…

  3. 1. W.R. I'm not offended, I like to answer to skeptics, you cannot imagine what kind of messages I receive. That’s my name, William Rutledge, no Standford Rutledge, it's another one. Born in 1930 in Belgium, American citizen, I know about mistakes, I'm writing too fast with arthrose problems and I'm always nervous when I'm writing, it's like trying to contain a flow of water. I'm not accustomed to speak in English anymore since 1990. I have learned Kinyarwanda and use French, sometimes German because Rwanda is a former Belgium-German colony.

  4. L.S. How long have you been living in Rwanda and why did you move over there?

  5. W.R. It's a woman who brought me to Rwanda, maybe I was searching for somebody like one person who shared my life before. Personally speaking, I have always been sensible to Africa born women. (Buzz Aldrin was also sensible, he was the only astronaut participating in a walk after martin Luther King's death, it’s not a well known story). I established myself with a new identity in Kigali in 1990, streets have no names here. I stayed in Nyiamirambo quarter till 1994, war pushed me to the north west of the country, near the Congo Kinshasa frontier. Rwandan authorities do not know my past, my friends do.

  7. L.S. Can you tell me anything about your life? Where are you from? Where did you study ?

  8. W.R. I've written on this on my others answers, Avro, Chance Vought, just consider that USAF uses every person who can bring skills, white, black, woman, every citizen. It was different with NASA, all astronauts were West Point students, only Alan Bean was an artist, Armstrong was a philosopher and Aldrin a spiritual man.

  10. L.S. How did you become an astronaut with NASA (I suppose) in the ‘70s?

  11. W.R. NASA didn't employ me, USAF did, I had worked on the study of foreign technology, RUSSIAN only, study about the N1 project, AJAX plane project and the Mig Foxbat 25. I had some skills for using computer navigation and was a volunteer for the MOL-Gemini project. USAF recalled that, I have been chosen later for Apollo 20 because I was one of the rare pilot who didn't believe inGod (it has changed since 1990) but it was a criterion in 1976. It was not the status of the NASA astronauts. Not believing in God made the difference. That's all.

  13. L.S. Can you prove who you are with some photos or documents of yours, taken during the training by NASA or even before, during your work at the Bell Laboratories? Can you send them to me as attachments, for a publication?

  14. W.R. Yes, I will put them online, but I will focus on Leonov, to end hoax controversy.

  16. L.S. When and above all why did you decide to disclose these information about classified space missions and is there anybody who is protecting you?

  17. W.R. It's the announcement of "the wonder of it all" maybe, and 2012 is coming fast. I also think that UFOs will appear more often starting from September 2007. A lot of people died around me in Rwanda, and I have more time to take care of this. About protection, please understand it's hard to speak of my armory.

  19. L.S. After the “Apollo 20” mission, taken place in August 1976 according to the information you have provided, what did you do and when did you leave the U.S.A.?

  20. W.R. After Apollo 20, several things happened, I was not aware of how the material collected would be used. I thought Space Shuttle was a bad idea, I’ve worked on the KH 11 project before retiring.

  22. L.S. In your writings provided on YouTube you mentioned the members of the “Apollo 20” crew: among them there is the former Soviet cosmonaut, Alexei Leonov. I remember he is still alive. Does he know what you are doing on the Web? Did you talk with him before April 2007 and if the answer is no, aren’t you afraid about what he could do or tell?

  23. W.R. Leonov is not aware of all this, I cannot contact him, contacts were completely lost in 1982-1984, I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian parliament. Cant' imagine his reaction. If he discovers the videos without preparation, he can confirm or leave at once. If he is warned, and prepared, he can deny.

  25. L.S. A question about the dialogues subtitles on the “spaceship footage”: did you make them or did somebody else make them? There are some mistakes (e.g., the personal pronoun is “I”, with the capital letter, not “i” as there is written). What about the original dialogues? Were there in the footage? Did you have problems with the codecs during the transfer?

  26. W.R. Yes, plenty of problems, subtitles are made just before transfer, I have to work with the distance, I'll be back in Rwanda in July. I asked to put the flyover very quickly, they made the subtitles in one hour, buried instead of burried, aperture to 1.8 is not at the right place, there are mistakes but is does not shock me. The Apollo 11 mention at the beginning of the film surprised me, it is on the original film, one internaut signaled that to me. The films are not the first generation, some of them were copied in 1982 I'm sure of this, some have a blue background from the end of the 70's.

  28. L.S. There are in the dialogues between the astronauts and the Mission Control, some expressions that I do not understand: for instance, “CSM”, “DSKY” and “Vandenberg Twenty”. I could think that “DSKY” is about the position on the Moon (close to the Izsak crater) and that the “Vandenberg Twenty” is about the Mission Control, located by the Vandeberg Air Force Base, in California. Can you explain them?

  29. W.R. CSM is Command Service Module, DSKY was the computer "display keyboard", we used many acronyms. AGC is Apollo Guidance Computer, same that DSKY, but located in the Apollo spacecraft and coupled with a telescope ( […] on the LM).

  30. In some videos, the first image you see is the DSKY panel with lines prog indicates the program running verb and noun verb indicates what the DSKY has to do and show. Before filming I had to enter verb 15 (display MET, mission elapsed time, or hours minutes seconds since lift-off, then noun 65 for displaying on there rows, hours on the first line minutes on the second, and seconds/tens of seconds on the third line). Then in every movie we put the date on the beginning of the shot, MET, Mission Elapsed Time, hours since lift-off. In the flyover movie, the computer indicates 144 hours if I remember.

  31. Capcom (CC) is the function of the unique officer charged of transmission to astronauts. He gathers all information and transmit them to the astronauts, news from the ground, instructions for the corrections, wake up calls, three persons relay.

  32. The syntax was "Vandenberg" calling Vandenberg next "twenty" a call from twenty. Inverted when starting from Earth: Capcom-Twenty or sometimes EEcom-Twenty Guido - Twenty when we had a special work to do, docking, correction. When undocking was made the communications were different. Vandenberg Constellation (name of the Apollo spacecraft); Vandenberg Phoenix (name of the LM). The Apollo 19 Apollo spacecraft was Endymion and Artemis was the Lunar Module name.

  34. L.S. I would like to know something more about the preparation of the “Apollo 20” mission. From where and when the Saturn rocket was launched and how many people were involved in that classified mission. Can you do some names?

  35. W.R. 300 people were involved on the preparation, but more other witnesses in Vandenberg. It was launched from this AFB. More witnesses, yes, many people saw departures in the sky, cameras were forbidden all around the Vandenberg site, but today a lot of Space spotters film every launch of Delta rockets, from towns. Other people saw this launch but not knowing it was a Saturn 5. One internaut viewing the launch video says this launch is a Saturn 1B. If today, with all available information, somebody makes such a mistake, you can image how it was in 1976. The preparation was long, subject of cancellations, new starts. Russians had the first information since 1966, I don't know what was their source.

  37. L.S. Can you tell me anything about the Russian collaboration to “Apollo 20”?

  38. W.R. James Chipman Fletcher for USA and Valentin Alexeiev for Russia, Werner Von Braun was one of the happy viewer. Capcom were Charles Peter Conrad and James Irwin.

  40. L.S. Tell me something about the “Apollo 18” and the “Apollo 19” missions; specially about the last one and its failure. Was it a classified mission with the same goal of the “Apollo 20”? Tell me about your ex girlfriend, Stephanie Ellis, “first American woman in Space” according to what you wrote to me in a former letter. The official space history does not include her as astronaut…

  41. W.R. Apollo 18 was the Apollo-Soyuz project, the honeymoon before a moon landing mission, it was presented as a simple "shaking hands" mission in 1975. Apollo 19 and 20 were hazardous missions. On long duration flight the helium pressure was too high on the LEM, a security disk had to burst if pressure was going high, but motor was unusable after. So it was changed on Apollo 19 and 20, but not tested in Space before. It was ok, but… in the paper. However, we got no problem with it. It was a long mission, 7 days scheduled on the Moon, every ray of light was used till ascent.

  42. Apollo 19 had a loss of telemetry, a brutal end of mission without data. Now the truth is unknown but it seems that it was a natural phenomenon, a collision with a "quasi-satellite", like Cruithne, or a meteor (the probability is higher I think). The goal was the same, the landing site was the same, the exploration program was different, they had a big job to do with the rover, exploring the roof of the ship by climbing on the "Monaco hill", (I'll have to put a lunar map online). NO American astronaut is listed, I discovered since may that many people find many William Rultledge in NASA. I can be found in the list of the Test pilots of Chance Vought, on the consultant list of the James Forrestal Center, I was involved in fluid mechanics. My boss was Bogdanoff (nothing in common with the Bogdanoff scientists).

  43. Stephanie Ellis was born in Abidjan (Ivory Coast) in 1946, arrived in America at the age of 7 months. She was a LM specialist, she worked with Grumman Bethpage for new implementations on the navigation system of the LM (Note that LM15 was officially destructed by Grumman). She contributed to debug the Luminary program, who was never bug free. Apollo 19 and 20 had serious problems with docking and rendezvous. Her technical knowledge was as deep as Roger Chaffee. She was a wonderful and funny person. I have some pictures of her in the LEM and Ingress 16 mm footage. I'll not show the other members of the crew.

  44. Russian collaborations: I don't know how, but Russian were informed of the presence of a ship on the far side. Luna 15 in July 1969 crashed just at the South of the nose of the ship. It was a probe similar to Ranger or Lunar Orbiter. They provided maps, precise charts of this area. The center of decision was located in the Ural, in the town of Sverdlovsk. The chief of the program was professorValentin Alekseiev, who became later president of the academy of science in Ural. Leonov was chosen because of his popularity in the communist leading staff, and secondary only because he was on Apollo-Soyuz. In 1994, I met again Valentin Alekseiev in Ural, Yekaterinburg, and he had a model of the spaceship made of malachite with incrustations of gold on his desk.

  45. I could tell you 100 stories about how Russians wanted to impress us. For example, when I came to the Academy of the Ural for the first time, my feet sticked on the ground, they had put varnish on the floor, not dried, for showing us new offices, they did all this "the Russian way", quickly, with quantity, not completely ready.

  47. L.S. Is there anybody in U.S.A., Russia or in Europe that can confirm your story? And are you not afraid that somebody can threaten your friends or relatives?

  48. W.R. In USA, honestly I don't know who is living now. Conrad died a strange way I think, his death was awful. Irwin is dead, von Braun also I think. James Fletcher. Leona Marietta Snyder is alive and communicates and support me in this job. In Russia, Valentin Alekseiev, and Alexei Leonov. Leonov is retired, I'm not sure of this but his health is a problem.

  49. About security, no problem as far I live in Rwanda, I only have problem now in Europe, my family is dead. I went to Rwanda in 1990, and stayed during 3 wars, the April-July 1994 were the worst years of my life, but I have now true friends in the Tootsie community and Government. (I'm not known in Rwanda as William Rutledge and American citizen, I have a whole new life).

  50. I kept my moon flag, beta cloth name, and moon al7b equipment with original dust.

  52. L.S. What did you know about the unofficial Warwick Research Institute Report on the “Public Acclimation Program”, released in 1992 to the MUFON?

  53. W.R. I have no knowledge of this report, 1992 was a very hard year for me, I was disconnected from all this, can you give me a link?

• • 1. Frames from the “Apollo 20 flyover” on a presumed alien spaceship, on the backside of the Moon

• 1. L.S. Now we can discuss the ancient “alien spaceship” and “the City” on the farside of the Moon. Did you go inside the spaceship? How big was it and what did you find inside?

  2. W.R. We went inside the big spaceship, also into a triangular one. The major parts of the exploration was; it was a mother ship, very old, who crossed the universe at least milliard of years ago (1.5 estimated). There were many signs of biology inside, old remains of a vegetation in a "motor" section, special triangular rocks who emitted "tears" of a yellow liquid which has some special medical properties, and of course signs of extra solar creatures. We found remains of little bodies (10cm) living in a network of glass tubes all along the ship, but the major discovery was two bodies, one intact.

  4. L.S. Did you visit “the City” on the Moon? Where was it? Did you understand if was there a connection with the Space ship? Are “the City” and “the Ship” still there?

  5. W.R. The "City" was named on Earth and scheduled as station one, but it appeared to be a real space garbage, full of scrap, gold parts, only one construction seemed intact (we named it the Cathedral ). We made shots of pieces of metal, of every part wearing calligraphy, exposed to the sun. The "City" seem to be as old as the ship, but it is a very tiny part. On the rover video, the telephotolens make the artifacts greater.

  7. L.S. What about the “Mona Lisa EBE”? [the correct Italian name is “Monna Lisa”] How does she look like and where was she at that time, when you found out her on the Moon. Where do you think she is now?

  8. W.R. Mona Lisa – I don’t remember who named the girl, Leonov or me - was the intact EBE. Humanoid, female, 1.65 meter. Genitalized, haired, six fingers (we guess that mathematics are based on a dozen). Function; pilot, piloting device fixed to fingers and eyes, no clothes, we had to cut two cables connected to the nose. No nostril. Leonov unfixed the eyes device (you'll see that in the video). concretions of blood or bio liquid erupted and froze from the mouth, nose, eyes and some parts of the body. Some parts of the body were in unusual good condition, (hair) and the skin was protected by a thin transparent protection layer. As we told to mission control, condition seemed not dead not alive. We had no medical background or experience, but Leonov and I used a test, we fixed our bio equipment on the EBE, and telemetry received by surgeon (Mission Control meds) was positive. That’s another story. Some parts could be unbelievable now, I prefer tell the whole story when other videos will be online. This experience has been filmed in the LM. We found a second body, destroyed, we brought the head on board. Color of the skin was blue gray, a pastel blue. Skin had some strange details above the eyes and the front, a strap around the head, wearing no inscription. The "cockpit" was full of calligraphy and formed of long semi hexagonal tubes. She is on Earth and she is not dead, but I prefer to post other videos before telling what happened after.

  10. L.S. Were you able to understand the origin of the spacecraft and how old was it?

  11. W.R. The age was estimated to 1.5 milliards of years, it was confirmed during exploration, we found ejections from the original crust, anorthosite, spirals in feldspathoids, coming from the impact which formed Izsak D. The density of meteor impacts on the ship validated the age, also little white impacts on the Monaco hill at the West of the ship...

  13. (20-21) L.S. Can you give me the technical details for every material you disclosed on YouTube? I mean, can you distinguish among the TV transmissions from the Lunar rover and the camera footages, during the flyovers? I would need to know the details of shooting for every video you spread on the Web. What is the meaning of the strange numbers visible on the videos, which sometimes slowly stream over the frames, in the flyover of the Moon?

  14. W.R. I have answered so much time on this, especially to a ESA astronaut. The transfer was in made in Rwanda, […] with codec and sound recuperation is not good, but it becomes better. The subtitles are not genuine, but put on the videos after transfer. I asked to remove the voices sometimes to protect one person from mission control.

  15. We used three video cameras in Apollo, one on the rover, called GTCA, it is not the name of a company (a commenter made a mistake on this) but a Westinghouse color camera. All three color cameras has a color wheel who produced a time frame delay when transmitting to the earth. I think it could be possible for a company to restore a good TV picture. The CSM camera had a black and white monitor, and produced stable pictures, sharp because focusing was visible on the monitor. The LM camera had a glass visor. The CSM camera was used one time on the AGC Visor, using the coordinates I've transmitted during the flyover video.

      2. The Flyover video was made in zero gravity. I was located on the left window, attitude horizontal, legs around the hammock, lens on the polycarbonate glass. The cameras had a Vidicon tube sensible with light, a large quantity of light, or changing the diaphragms put dropouts during transmission. The markings, numbers are used to perform a good landing. During program 64, when […] in almost in vertical attitude, we had to put the "60" number on the landing site and hold it on the target minutes before landing. These marks are on the both […] windows, you can verify it on a NASA site. Please verify on a genuine NASA site, (I got a flame by somebody who verified on the Apollo 13 movie) the markings had a special angle inclination. If you check it, you'll have an idea of my precise position during this sequence.

  16. L.S. How did you get years ago the copies of the footages of the mission?

  17. W.R. About the footages […] one day, someone I know told me he was charged to maintain security around a container. A building had to be destroyed, and archives had to be burn by a plasma torch. The nuclear power plant didn’t deliver energy at the right price, so the container was plenty of interest things during some days. As human is naturally curious, people charged of security went inside… My friend took video films, a couple of 16 mm plates, boxes of B/W paper, two enlargers… He contacted me for selling the unused paper, and that’s how I discovered the other things. I’ve already seen some picture before, 11*16 pictures were violet/blue, old RC photographies, I watched the tapes, it was not a business affair, I put them in security, the only important thing for me were the BW sheets of paper. It was 15 years ago.

  19. L.S. Have you ever met Clark McClelland, former NASA engineer who lost his job years ago because of what he discovered at the KSC (I suppose alien bodies or alien objects from the Space)?

  20. W.R. But you can give me the links. Documents can be at KSC, but no bodies or alien craft I think.

  22. L.S. You mentioned in a former letter Christopher Moellers and McSorley. Who are they?

  23. W.R. Chris Moellers is the website officer on Oceans NASA site; McSorley also. Annette Moore is 508 Coordinator. I only have mail exchange with Johnson Space Center for the moment. There is a moment of panic I think since May 18. Check 508 coordinator NASA on a search engine. Statement 508 is the way of pushing NASA to declassify material. I expected a reaction.

  24. Luca >>> it is a part of my strategy, NASA has the right to block me if I download unauthorized information. If they explain why they block me, they recognize that the videos can be obtained from them. If I sue them for violation of Statement 508, they will be forced to prove I downloaded unauthorized material , and it's not the case, I never go on a NASA site.

  25. Since May 18, I have not a precise answer, I have to wait for a decision from the headquarters.

  26. Even as Italian citizen, you have the right to ask for material from a federal agency like NASA, see 508 Statement: http://www.section508.nasa.gov/

  28. (25-26) L.S. Aren’t you afraid of the U.S. Government’s reaction and why did you talk about the date of September 2007, when NASA and USAF (according to you) “will be forced to tell the whole story before September 2007” What does it mean and Who is your “deep throat”? In another recent your communication to me, you talked about the “2012” year. You said: “In 2012, the weakers will die, and governments preserve the only bit of their heritage […] everybody has to be prepared for 2012”. Is there any connection with the “Planet X” return (the ancient Nibiru, adored by the Sumerians in Mesopotamia) ? What did you know about it?

  29. 25 - W.R. I'm the deep throat. What can NASA USAF do now? Blocking or suing me would be an acknowledgement. They can speak of hoax or fiction. I'm just afraid they could open a site or another account with my name or putting almost perfect false videos with voluntary errors to disinform. Fortunately, bureaucracy and time works for me. It's a race.

  30. That's why the idea of putting the Leonov files is a good idea, no controversy anymore, there are no Leonov footage, no videos of this period of Leonov in a LM or on a USA USAF base. It is unthinkable related to the official version .

  31. 26 - W.R. I am a passionate of the Sumerian period, of the Genesis as related by Sumerian. They clearly explain how gods created man. But I have no indications on Sumerian cosmogony, send me some links.

  32. There is a question you didn't ask for and I'm always surprised that nobody does. This could be your question 27 - why is it necessary to hide UFOs, why disinformation, why putting all this under the carpet? It's question of economics. All currencies on Earth are based on the value of gold. Not many citizens know that but gold is an extraterrestrial metal coming from the death of a star. When a star is dying, its mass is growing, atoms are compressed and when the star explodes, it spreads large amounts of gold in young solar systems. That's why gold is not a mineral to treat but a perfect, carbon free metal. This mean that it is the most common substance in the universe, no more value than a piece of plastic.

  33. That's enough to put down all world currencies. Imagine also that an EBE says: "coffee has a good taste, rare in this galaxy", the only perspective of trading coffee through universe would displace the economic power to countries of the South in one day. You see, not a problem of panic, but simply a problem of economy.

William Rutledge

The end of the interview

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Exopolitical Comment #51

Did the USA/USSR Fly a Secret Joint Mission to the Moon in 1976

To Investigate a Crashed Extraterrestrial Mothership?

by Michael E. Salla, Ph.D

Kona, Hawaii

June 26, 2007

from Exopolitics Website

Luca Scantamburlo, an Italian UFO researcher, has published online an interview he conducted with a whistleblower claiming to be a former astronaut on a secret mission flown by NASA and the Air Force Space Command to the moon in August, 1976. The alleged mission was titled Apollo 20 and was a joint US and Soviet mission that followed by just over a year the joint Apollo-Soyuz 1975 mission. The Apollo 20 mission filmed the dark side of the moon where a very large extraterrestrial vehicle appeared to lie wrecked on the moon's surface.

This 'wreckage' was first captured on film by Apollo 15 in 1971 which shows a moon panorama with what appears to be a large elliptical object on the moon's surface in an official NASA photo.

The alleged Apollo 20 mission comprised three astronauts:

• • William Routledge and Leona Snyder - both from Bell Laboratories and employed by the USAF but not officially part of the US astronaut corps

  • Alexei Leonov - first man to walk in Space and Soviet Commander on the 1975 Apollo/Soyuz Mission

The mission was launched from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. There was an alleged moon landing by Routledge and Leonov wherein the crashed vehicle was entered and found to be an ancient mothership. A dead EBE female was also found who was well preserved in some protected layering.

The whistleblower, "William Routledge", began in April of this year to upload hours of film footage of the secret Apollo mission on to YouTube video. Scantamburlo investigated some of the videos and had them analyzed by Italian film experts who concluded they were authentic. He then contacted Routledge to conduct an interview by email correspondence.

Scantamburlo is a well respected writer/journalist in Italy that has commented on many UFO cases and conducted a number of investigations that have been published in Italian UFO magazines. My own knowledge of Scantamburlo is that he is a very competent and thorough UFO researcher who first came to my attention due to his efforts to verify the Vatican's involvement in extraterrestrial affairs and discussions between Mikhail Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan to form an alliance against a possible extraterrestrial threat.

Scantamburlo's report on Routledge demonstrates a sincere effort to verify a number of the details provided by Routledge who supplied much information about the secret mission and his own background. Scantamburlo's overall conclusion is that Routledge's testimony and film footage are genuine, and that a secret Apollo 20 mission did indeed go to the moon.

I recommend that all take Scantamburlo's analysis and conclusions very seriously. Scantamburlo's report and interview can be read far below. I also recommend viewing some of the Youtube videos uploaded by William Routledge (see below).

The one to begin with is the following:

My own view at the moment is that it is very possible that such a secret Apollo mission went ahead to explore the wreckage first discovered in the Apollo 15 wreckage. It would have made sense for that to be a joint US-USSR mission, that followed the joint 1975 mission. Routledge's account of his background as a Foreign Technology expert and recruitment by the USAF to fly on the mission is credible given the Apollo 15 photograph.

It would make sense that exploration of a crashed ETV would need to be investigated by someone with expertise in foreign technologies. Routledge has also given much information about his work background and credentials online for verification purposes. His background and credentials can be checked and the other individuals mentioned on the Apollo 20 mission can be interviewed for their responses to his allegations.

That is a genuine photo and may depict an extraterrestrial artifact as Rutledge claims.

Another thing to consider is the alleged date of the Apollo 20 mission in 1976, just one year after the joint Apollo-Soyuz mission of 1975. I have already mentioned the insignia problem for a joint US/USSR mission in my initial commentary that a joint mission insignia was not correctly depicted in Rutledge's Apollo 20 videos. Rutledge is probably here suggesting that there may have been joint secret mission to discover more about the artifact depicted in the Apollo 15 photo, but its actual name was not Apollo 20 which would have signified solely a US space mission.

Confidence in the authenticity of the videos uploaded by Rutledge is significantly eroded by discovery of him using Apollo 15 audio for his alleged Apollo 20 video. There is nevertheless a possibility that something important was discovered during the Apollo 15 mission that justified a joint secret US/USSR mission to investigate.

Rutledge may be conveying this information by a combination of genuine information and deliberate deception.

Michael E. Salla, Ph.D

June 28, 2007

Further Update on Apollo 20 Mission

From: Exopolitics

Date: 06/28/07 15:49:58

To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com; Exopolitics Institute; exopolitics@yahoogroups.com

Cc: Exo-Institute-News

Subject: [exopolitics] Further Update on Apollo 20 Mission

Aloha, more information is available concerning the alleged Apollo 20 mission. I received information that Apollo 17 also took photos of the elliptical object first depicted in the Apollo 15 mission that is allegedly a large crashed cylindrical extraterrestrial vehicle.

You can view these Apollo 17 shots below:

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The Apollo 15 Mission Found Out a Huge Object on the Backside of the Moon - Did Apollo 19-20 Missions Really Take Place?

New Evidences Provided by William Rutledge,

CDR of The Apollo 20 Crew

New and baffling video footages on YouTube

provided by W. Rutledge seem to corroborate his amazing story

by Luca Scantamburlo

Italian journalist

June 26, 2007

from AngeliSmarriti Website

A few weeks ago I interviewed a man by the name of William Rutledge, who has been claiming his identity: he would have been an astronaut during the ‘70s, employed by the USAF in collaboration withNASA during a secret Space mission. My interview was carried out by my YouTube Account/General Messages. William Rutledge registered himself on YouTube as a man of 76 years old (YouTube user: “retiredafb”), who now lives in Rwanda. He told me he is an American citizen, now civilian, born in Belgium in 1930 and employed by USAF as test pilot on various aircrafts.

According to his report supported by some outstanding videos uploaded on YouTube since April 2007, after the Apollo 17 (December 1972) and the “Apollo18-Soyuz” mission taken place in July 1975, there were other two missions on the Moon:

• 1. the Apollo 19 (failed because of "a loss of telemetry, a brutal end of mission without data", see the interview with W.Rutledge)

  2. the Apollo 20 (August 1976), which were both classified Space missions launched from the Vandenberg Air Force Base (California)

Officially many Apollo missions were canceled by NASA during the Project Apollo, included the Apollo 20 (canceled in 1970).

The goal of these two presumed secret joint space mission, result of an American-Soviet collaboration, was to reach the backside of the Moon (the Delporte-Izsak region, close to the well-known Tsiolkovsky crater) and to explore a huge object found out during the Apollo 15 mission. What the Apollo 20 crew found, it was a huge and ancient alien spaceship, "approximately 4 kilometers long" (W. Rutledge).

And as a matter of fact, some official NASA pictures archived by the LPI (The Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston), which is “a research institute that provides support services to NASA and the planetary science community” (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lpi/about.shtml), show a strange and big object on the far side of the Moon. LPI is “is managed by the Universities Space Research Association(USRA)”.

Here you are some of the details of those NASA pictures which show that cigar-shaped object:

Details of Apollo 15 images

Apollo Image Atlas – Courtesy NASA/LPI

Regarding the video entitled “ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20”, on YouTube since May 4, 2007, as introduction we have a sort of marking with the presumed mission patch, which contains an interesting Latin inscription:

"Carpent tua poma nepotes".

I realized later reading an essay of Latin quotations and sayings, that the Latin inscription on the presumed patch of the classified mission is from Virgilio’s “Bucoliche” (IX, 50).

On the presumed patch we have the names of the crew as well:

"Rutledge - Snyder - Leonov", which is a typical NASA habit.

A COUPLE OF THE FOOTAGES ARE POLLUTED WITH APOLLO 11 RECORDINGS

But on the video of the flyover of the Lunar Module LM-15 (I checked on some Space history abstracts: the name of the spacecraft is coherent with the historical succession, because the Lunar Module Number begins from Apollo 5, with the LM-1, and for example for the Apollo 11 mission the name of the Lunar Module is LM-5; for some reasons not always the progressive number of the LMs is in accordance with the Apollo mission number), we have just a second of another marking about a video of the former Apollo 11 Mission.

The presence of an intrusive frame in the footage it would seem to be a contradiction, but perhaps it is just a result of a probable former recording on the film. According to William Rutledge (see my interview already mentioned), the first time he had to do with the footages was 15 years ago, because somebody he knew, charged to maintain security around a container, contacted him and told him what he found out inside (some "archives had to be burn by a plasma torch").

I found another contradiction, which seems a sort of video pollution: the written comment by Rutledge about the video posted on April 9 and entitled “APOLLO 20 Legacy liftoff of Apollo 20 Saturn 5”, says:

"Lift off of Apollo 20 Saturn 5 from Vandenberg AFB august 16 1976. Note the marks on the rocket, different than the previous Apollo launches."

But the codec audio on YouTube is from the Apollo 11 mission. I’m sure about it, because I have carefully compared the video on YouTube with an official NASA video of the Apollo 11 lift-off. Rutledge, contacted by me about it, has confirmed the probable mixing. And it could be possible, if you consider that some of his friends in Rwanda are helping him in the transfer from the analogical films to the digital, and William Rutledge told me now he’s not in Africa. So, if his friends have not a very good knowledge of the subject and of the Space history, they could make mistakes in assembling the codecs video with the codecs audio.

For the rest the Rutledge’s report is enough coherent and plausible, and it shows a detailed knowledge of Aerospace history, of Geology, Chemistry and of Space exploration history, using specific terms.

For example, he mentioned in the interview a not well-know term:

the “feldspathoid”, a “mineral consisting of an aluminous silicate that has too little silica to form feldspar”

(Webster’s Third New International Dictionary”, Könemann, 1993,pag. 835).

HISTORICAL EVIDENCES SEEM TO CORROBORATE THE AMAZING STORY OF THE APOLLO 20

1) THE ROCKWELL CORP. LOGO ON THE OVERALLS

On June 18 2007 William Rutledge (with the help of his friends in Rwanda) uploaded on YouTube new evidences which seem to corroborate his amazing story: the APOLLO 20 TEST Launch pad, the APOLLO 20 Test EVA 1 and the APOLLO 20 TEST Snyder Ingress.

For the last video here mentioned, W. Rutledge wrote the following text as comment:

"Test Cinepak radius compressor. Rutledge and L. Marietta Snyder ingress".

In the video you can see some technicians by a presumed launching pad for astronauts. In the footage (a capsule Ingress test?) they’re helping two astronauts (who would be William Rutledge and Leona Marietta Snyder, former Bell Laboratories), who wear their space suits, to enter into a presumed spacecraft by a launching pad.

The footage seems to be the editing of three different moments, in front of the entrance.

Spacecraft controls and instruments. You can see the mission patch and the American flag.

APOLLO 17 (December 1972)

Frames from the Apollo 20 footage

Frames from the - APOLLO 20 ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON CSM FLYOVER -

Provided by retiredafb on YouTube; added on June 24, 2007

Moreover, instead of the American flag, you have the union of the American with the Soviet flag, over the Apollo 20 patch. It does make sense using the same technology to go to the Moon, already tested with success, if you think that Apollo 17 mission took place at the end of 1972, as the presumed Apollo 20 in August 1976.

And just the year before there was the well-known Apollo-Soyuz mission:

"[…] Apollo 18 was the Apollo-Soyuz project, the honeymoon before a moon landing mission, it was presented as a simple 'shaking hands' mission in 1975"

(from the interview with W. Rutledge).

Waiting for the rest of the Rutledge’s testimony, we should prepare ourselves for the wait and new Copernican revolution: we are not alone in the Universe and, at last, historical and technical evidences are supporting it beyond any doubt.

What we need is an official declaration from Authorities. Perhaps, the American Code of Federal Regulations and the Public Law 91-76 created by U.S. Congress could help us to find the truth (see:http://history.nasa.gov/spacemedal2.pdf), together with a formal recommendation/petition to the NASA Administrator, to give a right recognition to the Apollo 19-20 crews.

It would be a good thing to disclose and spread the truth about the reality of the extraterrestrial intelligence in the Universe through an unknown historical fact in which the two great powers of the World of the past (the USA and the USSR) joined together for scientific and peaceful activities, in spite of all their differences and political hostilities.

As pointed out by William Rutledge in one of his comments on YouTube:

"[…] the Apollo 20 belongs to all mankind It is a part of all human's heritage".

Virgilio wrote:

"Carpent tua poma nepotes".

The Apollo 20 patch quotes it. Maybe we are those grandchildren…

APOLLO 20 ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON CSM FLYOVER

Frames from the CSM 16mm footage through the AGC lens; by Leona M. Snyder

Added on YouTube: June 24, 2007 by retiredafb

That is a genuine photo and may depict an extraterrestrial artifact as Rutledge claims.

Another thing to consider is the alleged date of the Apollo 20 mission in 1976, just one year after the joint Apollo-Soyuz mission of 1975. I have already mentioned the insignia problem for a joint US/USSR mission in my initial commentary that a joint mission insignia was not correctly depicted in Rutledge's Apollo 20 videos. Rutledge is probably here suggesting that there may have been joint secret mission to discover more about the artifact depicted in the Apollo 15 photo, but its actual name was not Apollo 20 which would have signified solely a US space mission.

Confidence in the authenticity of the videos uploaded by Rutledge is significantly eroded by discovery of him using Apollo 15 audio for his alleged Apollo 20 video. There is nevertheless a possibility that something important was discovered during the Apollo 15 mission that justified a joint secret US/USSR mission to investigate.

Rutledge may be conveying this information by a combination of genuine information and deliberate deception.

Michael E. Salla, Ph.D

June 28, 2007

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Further Update on Apollo 20 Mission

From: Exopolitics

Date: 06/28/07 15:49:58

To: prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com; Exopolitics Institute; exopolitics@yahoogroups.com

Cc: Exo-Institute-News

Subject: [exopolitics] Further Update on Apollo 20 Mission

Aloha, more information is available concerning the alleged Apollo 20 mission. I received information that Apollo 17 also took photos of the elliptical object first depicted in the Apollo 15 mission that is allegedly a large crashed cylindrical extraterrestrial vehicle.

You can view these Apollo 17 shots below:

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by Luca Scantamburlo

August 22, 2007

from AngeliSmarriti Website

INTRODUCTION TO THE CONTROVERSIAL APOLLO 20 CASE

Beginning in May 2007, I had many private contacts with a presumed William Rutledge (YouTube username, "retiredafb") who claims to have been a volunteer for MOL-Gemini project (he was not chosen, according to what he wrote me) and a former civilian test pilot on various aircrafts. Up to now my last contact with him, having always taken place by the YouTube General/Messages, was on July 20, 2007, at 01:39 pm: a message of just three lines.

Is he honest? Is he an agent of discredit? Is he a debunker? Who is behind him? Was he really a former test pilot who now is telling us the truth? Or just kernels of truth?

Rutledge could have been a former civilian test pilot on various aircrafts, born in Belgium in 1930 and employed in the last century with Avro, Chance Vought and USAF. According to his testimony granted to me in an interview, his last job before retiring was working on the KH-11 project.

Since April 2007 W. Rutledge posted on YouTube several video footages and images which could have come from the documentation material of a classified mission that took place in August 1976: Apollo 20. He added 13 different videos; later he removed 4 of them. The main point of his presumed testimony was the probable space investigation of a mysterious cigar-shaped object, visible on official NASA photos taken by Apollo 15 and Apollo 17. The presence of the huge and mysterious object is a reality, based on fact, pointed out by Rutledge himself.

Under Natural Law and Natural Reason, mankind had the duty, as a categorical imperative, to go there and investigate the mysterious object. You can be sure that it did happen. If it was not Apollo 20, it was some other secret space mission.

And if somebody is skeptical about it, I invite him/her to read the Brookings' report, prepared in November 1960 by the Brookings Institution Washington, D.C.:

Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Activities for Human Affairs.

The report, prepared for NASA, was introduced to the Committee on Science and Astronautics by the House of Representatives of U.S.A. In the documents we can read:

[…] Historical and empirical studies of the behavior of peoples and their leaders when confronted with dramatic and unfamiliar events or social pressures. Such studies might help to provide programs for meeting and adjusting to the implications of such a discovery. Questions one might wish to answer by such studies would include: How might such information, under what circumstances, be presented or withheld from the public for what ends? What might be the role of the discovering scientists and other decision makers regarding release of the fact of discovery?

from pag. 216, ibidem

So it is likely that in the past somebody recommended and encouraged the adoption of several policies and procedures to follow should the discovery of extraterrestrial artifacts in our Solar System become a reality; chief among them: withholding or delaying disclosure of the discovery of such extraterrestrial "artifacts" from the public.

CONTRADICTIONS AND FAKES

DID SOMEONE FABRICATE THEM ON PURPOSE TO GIVE US A RIDDLE?

On July 01, 2007, at 01:33 PM, my YouTube account received a message from Rutledge. In his message the presumed William Rutledge answered my previous request for clarification. I was very upset because as time passed, many controversial aspects were coming out. I have already discussed them. Most of them are audio contaminations with radio dialogues from former Apollo missions (Apollo 11 and Apollo 15).

Finally somebody (a very clever YouTube user), discovered that the video of the presumed "City" (named "Station 1" in the interview) is a fake: if you examine images AS17-134-20437 and AS17-145-22163, found in the Apollo Image Atlas located at the Lunar and Planetary Institute website, you can see for yourself that the matrix of the lunar landscape (visible in the lower part of the screen) is a composition of images taken during the Apollo 17 mission.

Even if the lunar features visible in those images could be signs of artificial structures, they do not refer to the Izsak's neighborhood. They are images taken by the Apollo 17 crew, who landed on December 11, 1972, on Taurus-Littrow region (coordinates: 20°9'55" N and 30°45'57" E).

But there is the slight possibility that the fake was fabricated on purpose to provide us with a clue in investigating a lunar anomaly: is it possible that the main "rocks" in the image (i.e., rocks having 90-degree angles) are remains of some artifacts? Could the lunar hills in the background be pyramid-like structures, with steps going up the side, like in Mexico City, but partially obfuscated by a thick layer of dust?

The site is obviously very old.

However I am aware that now the contradictions of the Apollo 20 case are too many to be simple mistakes made by inexperienced helpers who would live in Rwanda (the country that Rutledge has been claiming as his place of residence).

RETIREDAFB, ARE YOU AN IMPOSTOR?

HERE IS HIS ANSWER

In my quest for answers, I had previously posed the above question mentioned in the title of the paragraph even before to know the truth about the "City" footage spread by "retiredafb" (I received the initial signaling in August, through a gentleman in Portugal).

In my question I used the nasty word "impostor", as a possibility for explaining this controversial case, which however gave us the opportunity to discuss the presence of an unknown object on the far side of the Moon. I had asked him to provide me more technical and heretofore unknown historical details that could prove his identity of being a former test pilot and Apollo pilot above all to face the suspicion which was growing in my mind: the idea that maybe he were an impostor.

In his answer "retiredafb" mentioned two NASA employees who, according to him, replied to an e-mail sent them. In this article I am not going to name them. But they are NASA employees indeed. I have checked their names; nevertheless, I decided to omit them (see the dots in brackets) due to the contradictory aspects of the case and the fact that I have not received enough evidence of the alleged e-mail exchange yet, and not to mention respect for the privacy rights of persons in question here.

Moreover, the presumed William Rutledge has never used his e-mail address with me. He contacted me only through my YouTube Account /General Messages.

So that you might thoroughly examine the issue and draw your own conclusions, I am incorporating the following excerpt from the original message (without any kind of correction of possible mistakes) "retiredafb" sent to my YouTube account:

<< Only [...] and [...] wrote me. About details confirming the story, i could give you some things unknown on internet or in books, details that NASA could confirm, if they still have some people active and with a good knowledge of Apollo program.

- The American flag used during Apollo 17, was the backup flag of the Apollo 11 crew. Aldrin and Amstrong used it on the ground, in the KSC building during EVA training. This same flag is now on the ground of the moon, stucked near the steno crater. This old Apollo 11 flag is in Taurus Littrow site, Gene Cernan or Harrisson Schmitt can confirm that, or NASA maybe, but it is a detail omitted in space history.

-During Apollo 20, during the REFSMMAT procedure, we used stars for aligning the LM. Three of them were named REGOR NAVI and DNOCES. These names are not recognizable on any sky chart, they were the nicknames of the three astronauts dead during Apollo 1, but spelled backwards.

• • REGOR was ROGER, "roger Chafee"

  • NAVI was IGOR "Virgil IVAN Grissom"

  • DNOCES means SECOND for Edward Higgins White the second

I don't remember what was the number corresponding during REFSMMAT. >>

from the retiredafb's message to Luca Scantamburlo, July 01, 2007, at 01:33 PM - Scantamburlo's account /General Messages, YouTube

THE REFSMMAT PROCEDURE AND THE APOLLO 1 CREW

I did not know what the REFSMMAT acronym meant. So I checked on some encyclopaedias and I have found they are initials indicating the procedure used by guidance, navigation, and control system flight controllers during the Apollo program. The term stands for: "Reference to Stable Member Matrix".

More information is available on a NASA website:

<<[...] a reference orientation which can be well defined and used by the crew in their platform alignments.>>

source: http://history.nasa.gov/ap15fj/02earth_orbit_tli.htm

On the link you find the "Star Reference List Number" and the Star name which Rutledge is referring to in his message. Rutledge does not remember the numbers (of course if he is honest at least on this issue); they are the following: 03 for "Navi", 17 for "Regor" and 20 for "Dnoces".

The point is: again we have some very interesting technical details (not well-known among the general public) provided by William Rutledge, and again we have a statement by Rutledge which is not without contradictions: his historical recollection is true, but is reported by some websites; for example in the following: http://www.space.com/spacewatch/star_names_030829.html

On another one we can read:

[...] the first Apollo crew used their own names spelled backwards Navi = Ivan Grissom, Dnoces = Edward White II, and Regor = Roger Chaffee. When they died in the fire, their unofficial names became used in many different ways. The October 1994 Sky and Telescope magazine apparently has an article on this subject.

source: Are there stars called Novi, Regor and Dnoces?: http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/ask/a11234.html

The Apollo 1 crew died in a tragic accident on January 27, 1967, during a launch pad test of the Apollo/Saturn spacecraft being prepared for the first piloted flight: the AS-204 mission.

Subsequently the AS-204 mission was redesignated Apollo 1 to remember the lost space crew.

The three crew members were:

• • Lt. Col. Edward Higgins White II (1930-1967),

  • Lt. Col. Virgil Ivan "Gus" Grissom (1926-1967)

  • Lieutenant Commander Roger Chaffee (1935-1967)

About the American flag used during Apollo 17, I could not find anything to corroborate or to controvert the information given me by "retiredafb" (William Rutledge). So I think it is necessary to investigate the presumed historical details provided by William Rutledge. This is the main goal of SpaceHeroes.org.

One of its team members found out an interesting public document.

THE SATURN V LISTED BY USAF IN THE ENERGY SPACE ASSETS

The document mentioned above is a *.ppt presentation prepared by Dr. Ron Sega, Under Secretary of the U.S. Air Force. The date of the document is April 19, 2006, and the title is: <<Air Force Energy Strategy>>. On Page 16 you have the Energy and Space Assets prospect: the Saturn V rocket is mentioned, and there is also the comparison with dates: the year 1970 and the year 2006. The fact that the Apollo 20 would have been launched from Vandenberg AFB, according to Rutledge's testimony, is now supported by strong circumstantial evidence.

Moreover, there are official documents (from the '60 years) which prove that the USAF officials discussed and boosted the use of the Saturn V rocket. There is a specific point where the subject is:

<<Saturn V/Apollo Spacecraft Guidance Computer Developments Programs>>.

Why?

It is obvious that the USAF needed the Saturn V capability in case USSR began to set up bases on the Moon. This was probably the main motivation for going to the Moon, and to counter Soviet threat of going there and exploiting it militarily.

BEHIND THE WILLIAM RUTLEDGE'S IDENTITY - THE "STRATEGY OF CONFUSION"?

Is it possible that behind the William Rutledge's identity there is an agent of some Secret service of an European country who is trying to push (or to drive), the US Government to reveal what it knows about the possible extraterrestrial presence in the Solar System? Or is he a person in control of some shadow Government scheme to subject the public to a psychological and sociological test in the context of the unofficial and rumored "Public acclimation program"?

So, if Apollo 19 and Apollo 20 missions really took place and one of the crews members is now collaborating to spread the truth, it is obvious that spreading classified material on YouTube would be a military and diplomatic problem. So the better thing to do could be, in that case, spreading true information about the secret space missions but mingled with fakes and contaminations (always using official space documentation).

In my opinion, in spite of the contaminations and contradictions of the case, there are some important questions without a conclusive answer:

• 1. How did "retiredafb" know about the huge cigar-shaped object resting on the far side of the Moon, visible on official NASA pictures (taken on Apollo 15 and Apollo 17)?

  3. How did he get secret video footage? Some of them are in the public domain and therefore are not secret (they are from former Apollo missions); but some of them, up to now, look like genuine footages never revealed to the public. I am talking about the APOLLO 20 TEST Snyder Ingress (added and later removed by "retiredafb") and the first part of the presumed LM-15 flyover ( ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20). Of course in the future new elements could come out and change my prospect;

  5. How did he know about "Section 508", an official NASA section in charge of providing information <<accessible to people with disabilities [...] including employees and members of the public >>?

  7. How could a simple joker know so many technical aspects of space history and space flight? I believe that in such a case it would be necessary to have a strong support from someone.

So the presumed Apollo 20 disclosure could very well be only a step of the so-called "strategy of confusion": a strategy which could avoid panic and uncomfortable questions for the Authorities.

In my opinion with this sort of Trojan horse (the Apollo 20 case), it would be possible to diffuse a secret truth crucial to the future existence of the mankind while, at the same time, satisfying public curiosity in the far side of the Moon and its mysteries without concern or worry about the eruption of diplomatic intrigue should the real truth be disclosed.

The Eagle (LM-5) Lunar Module on the Moon (Apollo 11, 1969). Here is the link with the list of all Lunar Modules produced: ANSWERS.COM: LEMs

You will find that the LM-15, the Phoenix spacecraft according to William Rutledge, has never flown and was scrapped. W. Rutledge knows this detail of official space history, and has pointed it out in the interview (see answer nr.13).

- Courtesy NASA -

AS17-145-22163 image taken with a 70mm Hasselblad;

• • Mission: Apollo 17

  • Mission Activity: EVA 2

  • Lens Focal Length: 60 mm

- Courtesy NASA/LPI -

AS17-134-20437 image taken with a 70mm Hasselblad;

• • Mission: Apollo 17

  • Mission Activity: EVA 1

  • Lens Focal Length: 60 mm

Frames from the footage entitled <<APOLLO 20 legacy part 1 The CITY>>, added on YouTube by "retiredafb" on April 1, 2007: it is a shot of a composition of images taken by Apollo 17 crew.

The Apollo 1 crew; from the left,

• • Edward Higgins White II (1930-1967),

  • Virgil Ivan "Gus" Grissom (1926-1967)

  • Roger Chaffee (1935-1967)

- Courtesy NASA -

Frame from the footage <<APOLLO 20 Legacy liftoff of Apollo 20 saturne 5>>, added on YouTube by "retiredafb" on April 9, 2007. Was it launched from Vandenberg AFB, on August 16, 1976?

Detail of the AS15-M-1579 High Resolution Image, taken on Apollo 15;

• • camera altitude: 116 km

  • revolution: 38

  • Sun Elevation: 24°

  • Lens Focal Length: 3 inch

- Courtesy NASA/LPI -

Detail of the AS15-M-1333, rotated to the left - The crater visible in the picture is almost for sure "Izsak D", which is close to the larger Izsak crater (not visible here)

- Courtesy NASA/LPI -

Frames from the <<APOLLO 20 TEST Snyder Ingress>>

Video added by "retiredafb" (William Rutledge) on YouTube on June 18, 2007; you can see the North American Rockwell Corp. logo on the technicians' overalls; the video was removed by "retiredafb" himself

==========

by L. Scantamburlo

November 8, 2007

from AngeliSmarriti Website

CLUES ON THE WILLIAM RUTLEDGE'S IDENTITY

Could "retiredafb" - YouTube user who claims to be William Rutledge, now 77 years old- have been a former civilian test pilot on various aircrafts?

He told us this and other things: that he was born in Belgium in 1930 (in Grembergen, he specified in his user-card on-line on YouTube) and that he was employed in the last century with Avro, Chance Vought and the USAF, before taking part in Apollo 20, a classified mission to the Moon alleged by him to have taken place in August 1976 from Vandenberg AFB aboard a Saturn V moon rocket.

It is entirely possible that Apollo 20 could have been a secret joint US and Soviet space mission that occurred one year after the famous Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, which launched in July 1975.

According to his testimony granted to me in an interview, Rutledge's last job before retiring was working on the KH-11 project (USAF). He explained me also that the ASTP (Apollo-Soyuz Test Project) was the preparatory mission to Apollo 19; and later Apollo 20, after the presumed failure of Apollo 19 and the loss of its crew. He told me that the ASTP was, for the Americans, the Apollo 18. Is it possible and correct under the historical point of view?

Let us begin by examining the historical record.

APOLLO 18? YES, IT DID EXIST AND IT DID TAKE PLACE

As the matter of fact, an official NASA Web page with an indication that ASTP was a mission involving Soyuz 19 and Apollo 18 capsules, can be found at the following link:http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/apollo/welcome.html

The caption "Apollo 18" identifies who the United States crew members of the ASTP were:

• • Thomas P. Stafford

  • Vance D. Brand

  • Donald K. "Deke" Slayton

Although we have no evidence in the historical record that Apollo 18 was followed by Apollo 19 (due to Apollo 19 being most a secret USAF mission), William Rutledge gave a precise definition for the ASTP.

It was correct, in spite of the fact this information is not well-known by the general public.

THE KH-10 AND KH-11 PROJECTS

According to William Rutledge, his last job before retiring was working on the KH-11 project (see my interview to him, answer n. 7). Moreover, he told us that he was a volunteer for the MOL-Gemini program (see his answer n.4 - and Fig.1 of this article), but he told me in a private YouTube communication he was not chosen.

From the historical record, MOL means "Manned Orbiting Laboratory", and was a program created by the USAF (not NASA) to put Air Force pilots in Space for periods up to 40 days. Canceled in 1969, the MOL program was replaced by the KH-11 program. Due to the need to surveil the entire surface of Earth, MOL-Gemini was designed so it could be launched from Vandenberg AFB (for insertion into polar orbit). I have found that MOL was also known as KH-10 (code name: "Dorian").

This is what surprised me because Rutledge did not mention MOL-Gemini as KH-10, but he mentioned KH-11. Thus, we can conclude that what William Rutledge's account of his involvement as potential pilot for the MOL-Gemini (KH-10) and his participation to KH-11 program as an employee before retiring, comports with the historical record.

The KH-11 (code name: "Crystal") is a series of military satellites launched from Vandenberg AFB from December 1976 until the end of the '80s, and were used as reconnaissance satellites placed in polar orbit for global surveillance purposes.

If you are interested in obtaining more information on the issue, visit the F.A.S. website.

Formed in 1945 by some atomic scientists and engineers from the Manhattan Project, F.A.S. is an acronym for Federation of American Scientists and was created by them because they knew just how important it is to provide information to the public to help encourage and facilitate discussion on critical national decisions.

HIS BIRTHPLACE - GREMBERGEN, BELGIUM

What can be said about his presumed birthplace in Belgium?

William Rutledgte updated his YouTube card at the beginning of June 2007 - if I remember well - when he added as his birthplace the name "Grembergen", but between brackets. I have checked on some encyclopedias and on the Web: Grembergen is a small Belgian town close to Dendermonde, in Oost-Vlaanderen region.

They speak French and Flemish languages, the two official Belgian languages. Oost-Vlaanderen is the Eastern Flanders, where Grembergen is located.

About the retiredafb's presumed surname (Rutledge), I received some help from South America: an engineer (G.C. - he asked me not to mention him, with exceptions oh his initials) wrote me an e-mail about it. He recommended that I search for the surname, "Rutledge", at familienaam.be, a website where you can find a geographical diffusion of a Belgian family name.

So I have found two zones in which the family name "Rutledge" is present, or perhaps native. In one of them there is Antwerp city (in Italian we say "Anversa"). But Antwerp is a city near Grembergen: only 27.3 km by air and 33.6 km by road. You can check the distances using, for example, Microsoft AutoRoute.

This is an interesting clue. If "retiredafb" is a faker and an impostor, he has chosen very well his presumed surname and place of birth, coherent with the geographical diffusion of the family name, "Rutledge". Otherwise, I guess we have a piece of evidence which indicates he indeed does exist and that he is most likely a Belgian man by the name of William Rutledge, who became later an American citizen.

The main question is: was William Rutledge really a civilian former test pilot and astronaut who worked as contractor for USAF in the '70s? (today, for instance, the Blackwater security firm and its activities for the DoD are well-known, as Kevin Smith pointed out during his radio talk show with me as guest, at the beginning of October 2007).

ON THE INTERVIEW: SOME ORIGINAL ANSWERS FROM "RETIREDAFB" (WILLIAM RUTLEDGE)

At the end of May 2007 it was a little difficult for me organizing Rutledge's answers for the interview which, if you remember, took place on-line by YouTube, not by e-mail or by phone. I was not completely conscious of the unrepeatable opportunity to get clues and evidence which could settle the controversial case.

Moreover, the YouTube Account/General Messages cuts the text when it exceeds a certain number of characters. So, when I realized it after the first forwarding on May 25, I had to send my questions toWilliam Rutledge again. I did it in the same day: always on May 25, 2007. But I point out now, for the first time, that I received some of his answers on May 28 (about 4/5 of them: in the interview I spread on the Web are the numbers 11, 22, and some portions of answers nr. 10, 18 and 13).

Sometimes there is confusion or there is no correspondence between the interview line numbers I posted and the answers in the original messages received via my YouTube account; I guess because or during our contacts on-line some questions of mine were not received immediately by him, or because "retiredafb" discovered them later (what he told me), and before he had already answered to the subsequent.

Think about how difficult it could be searching for and reading some messages from a single YouTube user, when you are receiving hundreds of messages every day from many users, from all around the world. This was the "retiredafb"'s position in those days.

As the matter of fact, when he began answering to me, he said:

<<hello luca, I'll fragment the answer.>>

May 25, 2007, 04:35 PM, from my YouTube Account.

William Rutledge sent me back his answers not in chronological order. He answered to the first question I made (about his name and life), only in his 10th message from the beginning of the interview:

<<hello luca, I just discovered this message, I'm not offended, o like to answer to skepticals, you cannot imagine what kind of messages i receive [...].>>

May 25, 2007, 06:26 PM, from my YouTube Account.

In this article I decided to put on-line some snapshots of our private contacts first of all to show how I worked to restore a comprehensible text (in those days I did not realize how important was for readers to record every single detail of what I was doing), and second, to let you know the contents of what he answered on May 28. Anyway I received most of his answers during the day of May 25, 2007, like if were chatting on-line. That's why I have indicated, the date of the interview: May 25, 2007.

One of his answer with technical details of the Apollo space flight (namely, DSKY and AGC), has the date of May 25, 2007. This is very important, because he answered the same day I sent him a technical question. If somebody is skeptical about my statement on the reception of most of his answers (May 25, 2007), you can see on the snapshot (Fig.7 below) a portion of his last answer about currencies on Earth based on the value of gold (see answer nr. 26 in the interview on-line): the date is May 25, 2007.

My first message received by him, about the interview's questions, contained what I have called the answer nr. 13, a portion of nr.11, and of nr.12.

If you pay attention, you will see the way I arranged the interview. For example, I decided to put one of his statements in another context:

<<I don’t remember who named the girl, Leonov or me>>

These are Rutledge's words, but they are at the beginning of answer nr. 18 (in the interview on-line, in spite of the fact he gave them to me later). I choose that reconstruction for clearness.

ABOUT THE APOLLO 19 AND THE LUMINARY PROGRAM: DETAILED KNOWLEDGE OF THE APOLLO PROGRAM

In recollecting the dramatic loss of the Apollo 19 spacecraft and its crew, it was amazing thing to me how William Rutledge was more precise about it before what he told me in the interview (see answer nr.13); on May 23 he told me in our contacts (see Fig.3 below) that:

<<Apollo 19 had a loss of telemetry while being at the end of the TLI, it was not clearly explained at this time, but it is believed, it was a natural phenomemon, a collision of the aircraft and one of Cruithne brother, who was not identified in 1976. >>

May 23, 2007, 06:12 PM, from my YouTube Account.

I did not know what TLI meant, and I have found later that it is the acronym used to indicate the propulsion maneuver which sets a spacecraft on a trajectory which will intersect the Moon. TLI stands for "Trans Lunar Injection".

<<[...] In 2 hours and 38 minutes, the J-2 engine on the aft end of the S-IVB stage is due to be restarted in a maneuver that will send Frank Borman, Bill Anders and Jim Lovell further away from the Earth than any human has ever ventured. This is the TLI or Translunar Injection maneuver.>>

http://history.nasa.gov/ap08fj/02earth_orbit_tli.htm

Another thing that surprised me is what I have found about the data Rutledge gave us in the interview (see answer nr. 10).

Here you have his original words I received on May 25, 2007, again without any correction:

<<[...] CSM is command module service, DSKY was the computer "display keyboard", we used many acronyms .AGC is Apollo guidance computer, same that dsky, but located in the Apollo spacecraft and coupled with a telecope (aot on the lm). In some videos, the first image you see is the dsky pannel with lines prog indicates the program running verb and noun verb indicates what the dsky has to do and show. Before filming i had to enter verb 15 (display MET, mission elapsed time, or hours minutes seconds since liftoff, then noun 65 for displaying on therre rows, hours on the first line minutes ont the second, and seconds/tens of seconds on the third line). Then i had to film the creen to date the tape. >>

May 25, 2007, 07:06 PM, from retiredafb's message to my YouTube Account.

So I checked on the Apollo 15 Delco LM Manual - LM DSKY, that you can consult on-line because there is the PDF version of the full Delco LM Manual (181 Mb) created by Frank O'Brien. Moreover, there are some pages which were extracted from the PDF version http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15LMDSKY.html. It is enough to choose the right files (verbs and nouns).

In this case I downloaded the A15DelcoLM-11 and the A15DelcoLM-06 JPEG images. Yes, Rutledge said something right. Verb 15, in the list of verbs used in Program Luminary, means "Monitor Octal Components 1, 2, 3, in R1, R2, R3", while the noun 65 means "Sampled LGC time" (fetched in interrupt)

00XXX. h

000XX. min

0XX.XX sec

Again, it seems William Rutledge knew something consistent with space flight concepts and particularly with Program Luminary (see also the interview to him, answer nr. 13).

ABOUT ROSWELL, REVERSE ENGINEERING AND TRIANGLE SPACECRAFTS ON THE MOON

I want to point out that the presumed former test pilot (William Rutledge), before he granted me the interview, in our private contacts told me something I did not made public yet. You can imagine how I felt months ago, and why I did not reveal the information. I was a little skeptical and shocked at the same time. As journalist I am aware that I must protect my source of information, but also spreading information and evidence which can help the public to understand how much truth there is in the case.

So, I will not spread any information which can compromise his life or causing troubles to someone else.

It does not matter if he is really a former test pilot or just an impostor. Ours was a private communication, with some portions of it for sure destined to the public. Though I have the feeling he told me many things because he wanted to make them public, and I know that it is in the public interest collecting evidence and details for our understanding, I have to be very careful in spreading his information.

What did William Rutledge tell me?

Rutledge told me something about the UFO cover up, about J.F. Kennedy's assassination (he put a wrong date on his message: 1961 instead of 1963, but if W.Rutledge is not an impostor, it could be just a so-called lapsus calami committed by an old man, a common mistake that everybody does at least once in the life) and about reverse engineering carried out in USA, after retrievals of 6 alien spacecrafts crashed between Alamogordo and Roswell, in 1947. Moreover he also mentioned Corso to me, and something about the propulsion system of the alien spacecrafts.

This occurred on May 23, 2007, before the interview. Here you are some of his original words, without corrections:

<<[...] six craft fel on earth between alamogordo and roswell, 5 in alamogordo>>

I am going to spread these information (true or false I do not know yet) to the public in the future, but before that, I want to write an affidavit for SpaceHeroes.org, in which almost every our communication taken place on YouTube will be a single exhibit.

About triangles spacecrafts on the far side of the Moon, and about the reasons for he decided to speak out, Rutledge said to me (see Fig.8):

<<[...] about the spacecraft, one triangle was accessible) in a triangle craft, we found two bodies, one in bad condition, a meteor cut the body at the neck level, we tok the littl skull on board.

The other body was strange, NDNA, not dead not alive, but crusted with impacts, stalagmites of blood coming out of hemmoragias zones. One body was on apollo 20, fixed on a hammock, and we passed hours watching the hands, the strange hair, not the kind you see a scifi movie. The hair was in good condition, we can say alive, alexei tested it.

The ship was not explored on the 4 kilometers, but no place detected for weapons.>>

May 23, 2007, 07:42 AM, from retiredafb's message to my YouTube Account.

<<[...] -no military craft, exploring one, Crew of 300, two female pilot on trangles. [...] I choosed to to it know because all apollo program had to be definitely locked with th outgoing of 'the marvel of it all' presented april 20, presenting the 12 astronauts alive who stayed on the moon. It was a trahison for me , for alexei, and for the 3 dead astronauts of amollo 19. My girlfriend Stephanie ELlis, first american woman in sace, fisrt afro maerican woman was killed during this mission, i have no place to pray for her, her remains are still in orbit around earth.>>

May 23, 2007, 07:48 AM, from retiredafb's message to my YouTube account

NEW CONSIDERATIONS ON THE DIMENSIONS OF THE CIGAR-SHAPED OBJECT ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE MOON

As Carl Sagan used to say (see his television program "Cosmos"), science is a self-correcting process. Of course journalism is not science, but I guess the principles are valid and apply the same way. Let us begin from a mistake I made while I was discussing on the controversial Apollo 19/20 case.

At the end of October 2007 I was spokesman at a conference organized in Lucca, a city close to Florence (Italy). The evening topic was the dark side of the Moon and the presumed Apollo 20 mission, officially never occurred. Another spokesman of that evening was completely not in agreement with me. In spite of the deep throat by the name of William Rutledge ("retiredafb" on YouTube) has pointed out a huge cigar-shaped object on the far side of the Moon, he declared the Apollo 20 mission completely a fake. According to him, even that object is a result of a natural phenomenon that took place on the lunar surface in the distant past.

The strange thing is that he made some calculations to estimate the object dimensions, and he obtained some results which indicate the object is longer than what we thought (see the Salvatore Valentin Carta's assessment: length of 3.370 km and width of 0.510 km). Because the Italian spokesman referenced Izsak crater as the crater immediately close to the cigar-shaped object, using it as ruler, I believed his result was wrong.

As the matter of fact that crater is not the Izsak crater; it is what W. Rutledge has indicated as "Izsak D" - it looks like a double impact crater, which appears as a figure eight-shaped crater. But as a coincidence its dimensions are almost like Izsak crater dimensions, which are known by the scientific community. So that evening in Lucca city I was correct about the Izsak crater position, but I was incorrect about the lenght of the so-called "spaceship" resting on the backside of the Moon.

Whatever that strange object is (a strange natural formation or an alien spacecraft), its lenght is more than 4 km. We can safely say between 3 and 5 km. William Rutledge told us that is approximately 4 km long.

I can say this because after that conference in Lucca, I worked on the pictures by myself to measure the pixels of the objects. First of all, I downloaded a free software: ZoomMagic (Copyright PeakStars). With ZoomMagic you can measure objects dimensions in pixels and in centimeters.

We know that the Izsak crater is in the South-East lunar quadrant, on the backside of the Moon. Of course, for this reason, is not observable from the Earth. Its dimension are: 30x30Km / 18x18Mi; you can check on the Virtual Moon Atlas, a free software under the GNU General Public License (database © Ch. Legrand) very well done and useful. Otherwise, you can check by the astrogeology.usgs.govdatabase.

So we can use Izsak as ruler. I have chosen a JPEG image listed as AS15-M-1720, from the Apollo Image Atlas (LPI). it is a Hi Resolution Image (2.9 MB): (Width) 2400 x (Height) 2397 pixels.

Picture by ZoomMagic (Copyright PeakStars) on NASA picture

- measurement by L. Scantamburlo

Picture by ZoomMagic (Copyright PeakStars) on NASA picture

- measurement by L. Scantamburlo

Picture by ZoomMagic (Copyright PeakStars) on NASA picture

- measurement by L. Scantamburlo

We can think of the longitudinal axis of the cigar-shaped object as the hypotenuse of a right-angled triangle. I have measured the two catheti: 16 pixels and 67 pixels. To find the hypotenuse we can use the well-known Pythagoras theorem: I have got the value of 68.88 px.

With a simple ratio we can calculate the dimension in km of the huge object of the far side of the Moon:

430 (px): 30 (km) = 68.88 (px): X (km)

What I got is: x= 4.80 km. X in this case would be the object length, considering the approximation that the cigar-shaped object is parallel to the lunar soil, and that there is no perspective effect in the picture.

So we have a length of almost 5 km.

My feeling is that huge object is not a natural formation and if there is the tiny possibility it is artificial, it was and it is mandatory for mankind to investigate that lunar anomaly with a robotic or a manned mission on the far side of the Moon.

Fig.1

The MOL (Manned Orbiting Laboratory), known also as KH-10

- US Air Force illustration -

Fig.2

- Detail from the retiredafb's public account on YouTube; image taken from a YouTube Web page -

(C) YouTube

I have put a mark around the presumed place of birth: Grembergen, Belgium

Fig.3 (updated On Nov 2007)

Since the beginning of my communication with him by YouTube (even before the interview), "retireafb" showed me detailed knowledge of space flight terminology: see the "TLI" acronym.

- from my YouTube Account /General Messages

(May 23, 2007) - L. Scantamburlo

Fig.4

In this snapshot you can see the first message with the answers for the interview.

- from my YouTube Account /General Messages - L. Scantamburlo

Fig. 5-6

The retired's messages sent to me on May 28, 2007

- from my YouTube Account /General Messages - L. Scantamburlo

Fig.7

In this snapshot of my desktop, you can see some of the original retiredafb's anwers to me; here he talks about the DSKY and the AGC

- from my YouTube Account /General Messages - L. Scantamburlo (May 25, 2007)

Fig. 8

In this snapshot of my desktop, there is the Rutledge's message where he tells about the presumed triangle spacecraft on the far side of the Moon, in which they would have found two bodies

- from my YouTube Account/General Messages - L. Scantamburlo (May 23, 2007)

NASA illustration for TLI (Trans Lunar Injection)

List of verbs used in Program Luminary

from the Apollo 15 Delco LM Manual - LM DSKY

- Courtesy NASA

List of nouns used in Program Luminary

from the Apollo 15 Delco LM Manual - LM DSKY

- Courtesy NASA

The AS15-M-1720 NASA picture: you can see the Fermi walled plane, the Izsak crater on the left and the "Izsak D" crater on the upper right of the picture

- Courtesy NASA/LPI -

The cigar-shaped object close to "Izsak D" crater

The detail of the NASA picture listed as AS15-M-1720, but rotated of 90°

- Courtesy NASA/LPI -

The Izsak crater; Diameter 30 KM

it is a detail of the image AS15-M-1720 taken from an altitude of 114 km (Apollo 15 mission); Camera Tilt: VERT; Revolution: 44; Sun Elevation: 20°; Lens Focal Length: 3 inch

- Image and data courtesy NASA/LPI -

LUNAR COORDINATES OF THE PRESUMED ALIEN SPACESHIP

Source: the subtitles of the "ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20", video added by "retiredafb" on YouTube.

Alien Spaceship On The Moon Flyover Bef. Apollo 20

Far side of the Moon

• • Nose: 17.3 deg S, 117.62 deg E

  • Cockpit: 17.25 deg S, 117.62 deg E

  • Base: 17.20 deg S, 117.62 deg E

The lunar coordinates, if reliable, are inverted. The longitude is fairly coherent with the position of the huge object ("approximately 4 kilometers long", according to the comment on the YouTube footage added by "retiredafb" on May 4, 2007). The problem is with the latitude: not with the latitude data, but with their reference to the major parts of the presumed "alien spaceship".

Because we can see the base of the object is to the South of the nose, we should have, in my opinion, their reversal. It would be helpful to listen the presumed original radio communication.

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