The discussion can be found after the following, which gives an outline of the discussions etc in the posts of this article:
Post 1: (posted on Sep 18 2011) includes a brief discussion on who are Krishna, Radhe, Lakshmi, Narayan and Vishnu in the Golden Age; about enjoying the stage of Krishna, Lakshmi, Narayan and Vishnu in the Confluence Aged subtle regions.
Post 2: (posted on Dec 10, 2011) includes a discussion on the Confluence Aged subtle regions as the womb or Cosmic Egg; primordial; virgin birth; Vishnu sleeping in the Ocean.
Post 3: (Posted on Dec 20, 2011) Links provided
Post 4: (posted on 10-8-2013): provided links
Post 1: posted on Sep 18 2011
(includes a brief discussion on who are Krishna, Radhe, Lakshmi, Narayan and Vishnu in the Golden Age; about enjoying the stage of Krishna, Lakshmi, Narayan and Vishnu in the Confluence Aged subtle regions)
Krishna represents the deity souls of the Golden Age. Each deity soul who takes a birth in the Golden Age is a Krishna (no matter what kind of corporeal body they use, in the Golden Age). If the deity soul has taken birth through a female body, then the deity is Radhe in the corporeal world. So, the deity soul will be using both roles of Krishna (as the Golden Aged deity soul) and Radhe (as the female deity in the Golden Age).
The unmarried men in the Golden Age are seen as Krishna. They do not use the role of Radhe. When Radhe and Krishna marry, they become Lakshmi and Narayan.
Lakshmi (women) and Narayan (men) are the married divine human beings who live in Satyug (the Golden Age). Vishnu represents Lakshmi and Narayan in the combined form. When Lakshmi and Narayan marry, their spiritual energies combine and their kingdom would have a greater spiritual strength because of their combined spiritual strength. Thus, greater happiness is enjoyed in the kingdom of Vishnu.
In the Confluence Age, through spiritual effort-making, we can enjoy the stage of being Krishna, Lakshmi, Narayan or Vishnu. These deity roles are used or enjoyed while our consciousness is in the Confluence Aged subtle region called Vishnupuri.
More on Krishna, Lakshmi, Narayan, Vishnu and Vishnupuri can be found at:
1. Part 9 - Snake Deities & the Naga Clan : The Snake People, Vishnu and Sheshanaga
2. Part 15 - Aliens, UFOs and Parallel Universes - The various subtle dimensions in Brahman (Vishnupuri, Shanker-1)
3. Part 16 - Aliens, UFOs and Parallel Universes - The various subtle dimensions in Brahman (Vishnupuri, Shanker-2)
4. Part 18 - Aliens, UFOs and Parallel Universes - Lakshmi & other Subtle Deity Roles
5. Part 37 - Aliens, UFOs and Parallel Universes - Ganga, Lakshmi, Brain Hemispheres
Post 2: Posted on Dec 10, 2011
The deities (who live in the divine world) are created through the Confluence Aged subtle regions. During the Confluence Age, when the deity souls keep making effort to become spiritually powerful, it is as if the deity (who will take his next birth in divine world) is growing. During the Confluence Age, as the deity souls keep making effort, the deity souls are transforming into the divine deity souls (who will take births in the Golden and Silver Ages). This transformation is taking place in the Confluence Aged subtle region. Thus, it is as if Krishna and Vishnu are growing in the Confluence Aged subtle regions.The Confluence Aged subtle region is like the womb or egg for Krishna, Vishnu etc. The Cosmic Egg or womb has also been represented as an Ocean in the myth Samudra Manthan (Churning the Ocean of Milk).
More on how the deities (who will take their next birth in the Golden and Silver Ages) develop spiritually (grow) in the Confluence Aged subtle regions (as a womb), can be found in my second post at :
Samudra Manthan (Churning the Ocean of Milk)
A list, of the posts in this article, can be found at:
Site-Map for Samudra Manthan (Churning the Ocean of Milk)
The abovementioned second post also has a discussion about the significance of the milk in the Ocean of Milk and of how this milk will help the deity to grow, so that the deity soul can take its next birth in Golden and Silver Ages.
If the deity soul has not made enough effort to go into the soul-conscious stage, during the Confluence Age, the deity soul will not take his birth as Krishna in the Golden Age. He will only take his birth as Rama in the Silver Age. However, God gives all deity souls an opportunity to become Krishna of the Golden Age. So, it is as if Krishna is growing (getting created) for all the deity souls (whether they will be taking their first birth in the Golden Age or in the Silver Age).
God also enables all deity souls, in the Confluence Age, to enjoy the divine stages of being Krishna, Lakshmi, Narayan and Vishnu. So, God has created the subtle deity bodies (of all these deities) for all deity souls so that they can use it when they come into the Confluence Age. These angelic deity bodies were created when God came and began the Confluence Age (in 1936). The usage of these subtle deity bodies is different from the creation of the 'deity' who will take his next birth in the Golden and Silver Ages.
Krishna, growing in the Confluence Aged subtle region, represents the deity soul acquiring the 'ability to take births in the Golden Age' as Krishna. Since the Copper Aged Reptilians, who created the myths, were aiming for the time when Krishna will grow in the womb of the Confluence Aged subtle region again, they associated the role of Krishna to the Confluence Age (where his creation takes place). The Copper Aged Reptilians saw the soul within Brahma Baba as Krishna. Since God used Brahma Baba as an instrument to give the sakar murlis, the Copper Aged Reptilians made Krishna sound like God when He spoke the Gita. The Gita actually represents the Confluence Aged messages from God, called sakar murlis.
Krishna being in the womb of Devaki before taking birth represents:
1. the subtle/spiritual Krishna growing (getting created) in the Confluence Aged subtle region (as a womb),
2. Krishna (the divine deity soul), having entered a foetus, growing (as a baby/foetus) in the womb of those who have walked into the divine world so as to bring in the Golden Aged children,
3. the primordial ( God and everything else, in the Confluence Age or Confluence Aged subtle region, that will eventually give rise to the new creation).
The birth of Krishna was portrayed as a pure virgin birth, through the chaste Devaki, because it involves the primordial. The creation of deities in the Confluence Aged subtle region does not involve any sex. They are pure creations. In this post, I have discussed this pure creation that takes place in the Confluence Aged subtle region. More on this can also be found at:
Samudra Manthan (Churning the Ocean of Milk).
The birth of Krishna can be viewed from 2 points in time, which are:
1. when God began the Confluence Age so that the deity souls can begin the transformation process.
2. when the Golden Aged deity, Krishna, was born in the Golden Age of the new cycle.
God created the Confluence Aged subtle region through extending His Helping Hand for world transformation. Anyone who grabs hold of His Hand will begin the transformation process. Thus, it can be said that the deity Krishna was born when God extended His Helping Hand for world transformation. But Brahma Baba had to grab His Helping Hand so that the deity Krishna can grow as a foetus, so that Krishna can take his next birth in the Golden Age. This deity Krishna was growing while God was using the Krishna soul (that was within Brahma Baba). I will discuss the words of the scriptures, about the pure birth of Krishna through the chaste Devaki, in a later post.
Even the children of the Golden Age are conceived without any sex involved. They are conceived through the power of yoga. Those who walk into the divine world will conceive the divine children through the power of yoga with God. In the Golden Age, the children are conceived through the power of yoga of Lakshmi (mother) and Narayan (father).
In the Confluence Age, the spiritual development/growth of the deity souls represents the growth of the deity Krishna (in the Confluence Aged subtle region). The deity souls are involved with transformation while the deity Krishna is growing. Thus, in the myths, Krishna was portrayed as battling with demons. These demons represent the vices which are transformed so that the deity Krishna can grow (get created) and take his next birth in the Golden Age. The touch of God's vibrations transform the vices, in the deity soul, into divine energies and so they are not vices anymore.
When Krishna is conceived, at the beginning of the Golden Age, traces of all vices on earth will be completely removed from the face of the earth. It has to get removed because the divine world has come into existence in the corporeal form. So, it was portrayed in the myth, like as if Krishna is wiping the last traces of the vices off from the corporeal world. God was portrayed as "Krishna wiping out the vices from the face of the earth". Krishna, the Golden Aged deity cannot wipe out the vices. Krishna (as the deity growing in the Confluence Age) established his Golden Aged kingdom, while he was growing in the Confluence Aged subtle region. So, God makes sure that he gets his kingdom in the Golden Age. Thus, God was portrayed as wiping out all traces of the vices (as Krishna) on Krishna's behalf. This is why the role of Krishna ends in the Mahabharatha. The role of Krishna, as God, ends when Krishna (of the Golden Age) marries to become Narayan. God brings back all souls to the Soul World when the Golden Age begins (in the corporeal form). However, God still gives a Helping Hand to those in the old world (areas on earth which have not transformed into the divine world yet) until Krishna marries Radhe. Since Krishna becomes Narayan, the Golden Aged role of Krishna will also end with that.
In Hindu myths, Vishnu is portrayed as sleeping in the Ocean before creation takes place. This sleeping Vishnu represents what happens in the Confluence Aged subtle region. It represents the Confluence Aged deity souls 'acquiring the ability to go into the combined form as Vishnu, during their births in the Golden Age'.
In the Copper Age, the King of Bharath, was also seen as Vishnu. Since he has lost his divine state, he was seen as a sleeping Vishnu. At the End of the Cycle, he will play the role of Brahma (as Brahma Baba). At the End of the Cycle, God begins the Confluence Age and God brings about the birth of Brahma. Thus, the soul of Brahma Baba (who was portrayed as the sleeping Vishnu, from the beginning of the Copper Age) began to play the role of Brahma. The ancient Copper Aged Reptilians, who created the myths, knew that he would be playing the role of Brahma in the Confluence Aged. So, they portrayed Brahma as emerging from the navel of the sleeping Vishnu.
The Copper Aged Kings, who were meant to play the role of the mapmaker at the End of the Cycle, were also seen as the sleeping Vishnu who will begin to play a role at the End of the Cycle (after the role of Brahma gets created and used in the Confluence Age). This was one of the reasons why, in the myth, Vishnu was portrayed as going back to sleep (after having woken up to see that Brahma has already been born). The role of the mapmakers is only later, at the End of the Confluence Age. The role of the mapmakers can only be played after the BK sakar murlis are heard. Even after the BK sakar murlis are heard, they do not immediately play their role. The strength of the soul has to increase, and so Vishnu is portrayed as sleeping again, until the strength of the soul is high enough and until it is time for the mapmakers to play their role. Though the mapmakers emerged in 1996, they only began to play their role from the beginning of 2010.
Vishnu waking up just to see that Brahma was already born also represents how I, in my past birth (just before the present corporeal birth), had remained as a ghost in Mount Abu (waiting for Brahma Baba). I waited until I saw Brahma Baba and the other BKs there (when they came to Mount Abu to establish the Brahma Kumaris there). I (as a ghost) was watching what they were doing until the dhristi/vibrations/presense of a BK sister, there, had made me take the present corporeal birth. So, the Vishnu (mapmaker) in me just saw and then went back to sleep again until I came into the Brahma Kumaris to receive my spiritual birth. My spiritual birth and the emerging of the Copper Aged mapmakers represent Vishnu awakening the second time. It is through my spiritual birth that I will be able to participate in what Brahma Baba had begun. My participation in the service, begun by Brahma Baba, represents Vishnu participating in Brahma's new creation.
More on Vishnu sleeping and waking up, and my previous ghost-birth can be found in the third post at: My Past Births
Vishnu going back to sleep, after the birth of Brahma was noted, also represents how the deity Krishna grows (gets created) in the Confluence Aged subtle region through the effort-making of Brahma Baba. He will later take his next birth as Krishna at the beginning of the Golden Age. His birth marks the beginning of the new Cycle.
In the myth, it is after Brahma has begun creating the new world that Vishnu stops sleeping. Vishnu wakes up and goes to take his birth in the new world. This also represents the 'deity', that was created in the Confluence Age, taking it's birth in the new world, after having woken up (completely created). Thus, Vishnu going back to sleep also represents the 'deities' (of all deity souls) being created in the Confluence Aged subtle region so that they can take their next birth in the divine world.
Vishnu going back to sleep also represents how BKs, who were with Brahma Baba, had left their corporeal bodies to take another corporeal body so as to continue playing their role thereafter. Some of them just saw Brahma Baba being used and, then, they slept (left the Brahma Kumaris or left their corporeal bodies). Later, they were born again (spiritually) so as to continue participating in Brahma's work or to walk into the divine world. Or they took their next birth in the new creation (in the divine world).
In later posts and articles, I will be discussing the myths about Vishnu sleeping in the Ocean, the Cosmic Egg etc, in greater detail. More on Krishna, in the Copper Age can be found at:
Post 3: Posted on Dec 20, 2011
More on the primordial can be found at :
Subtle Regions, Subtle Bodies & the Primordial
Post 4: (Posted on 8-10-2013)
For more on Krishna, read:
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