David Chelimsky about 7 hours later:

• • Very happy to see that you’re enjoying using RSpec.

  • There are some things that I’ve started to approach differently. I posted on this next door and would love to get your feedback.

Anthony Bailey about 9 hours later:

• • Thanks for the article,

  • (I assume RSpec plans to support some kind of should_css_selectequivalent to the elegant assert_select sometime soon. It’s already distressing to go back to the noisier tag style assertions.)

  • Will you be discussing the testing of direct manipulation (e.g. mouse-driven inputs, highly graphical output) user interfaces at all? I have found those to be the ones where automated testing is the most difficult, although not impossible with the right kind of intermediate representations in place.

Uncle Bob about 15 hours later:

• • Anthony,

  • Yes, I plan on discussing the testing of thick client GUIs, and GUIs with lots of JavaScript.

David Chelimsky about 15 hours later:

• • Anthony – yes, RSpec on Rails already unofficially supports assert_select for tags (not yet for rjs). If you are using the 0.7.5 plugin, take a look at spec/expecations/should_have_spec.rb to see what you can do. We used should_have because should_select doesn’t talk about the behaviour of the system under test. It sounds more like the behaviour of rspec, which “should_select” or “should_find” an element. What we’re saying is that the response should have some material in it, so “should_have” makes sense to me.

  • At this point there are several things holding me back from making it officially supported. For one, the syntax is likely to change subtly. We also need to support rjs. And the error messages are completely useless. Right now we’re just wrapping assert_select, and its error messages just say “expected 1 element(s), found 0”. That is not all that helpful to me.

  • Once these are resolved, we’ll make it official. In the mean time you are free to use what’s there – just be aware that there will be some API changes and you’ll have to change your specs for a future release.

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• • GUI testing is a solved problem

• Uhh, do you just mean HTML Forms Web App GUI testing is a solved problem or is your series going to include

  • 1. rich internet apps using Flash

    2. desktop apps

    3. mobile apps?

• • I’m really hoping for a good answer on desktop apps because, surprisingly, there’s still a lot of work happening developing them, both for retail and inhouse. We could really use a good solution for wxPython-based GUIs!

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• • It is informative, and it is the most effective way I can find as well. Actually I am just finding a solution to develop a better java testing tool to help my team to test faster, easier and in better efficiency. The best idea seems to use annotations and xml configurations to decorate test cases. A typical framework of this kind is TestNG. It seems the advantages of this kind of testing framework is:

  • 1> Stronger control in the workflow of test cases running. You can either use specific annotation syntax to put them into groups, or identify some executing sequences. 2> More flexible. Testing classes don’t have to extend some base classes as JUnit, or have some rules to restrict method defining. 3> Accelerate procedure of developing test cases in some specific situations.

  • Aha, this is not bad comparing with JUnit. But if it comes to rails, annotation kind of things would not be that competent. Because using syntax way to test, it must be much more flexible & powerful.

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  • I am a newbie to Ruby. I am interested in testing the url’s placed in a web-page to find the ‘Page not Found’ error in specific and other link issues like passing the required params in generic using Ruby.

  • Could you pl guide me on the aforementioned. Maybe through some pdf and examples.

  • Regards, Prudhvi

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