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In "Warts and all" I try to find all the myths and legends that are on the internet about the Alvis Stalwart.
The Alvis Stalwart has attracted all sorts of myths, false stories, and half true stories, often told by people who have absolutely no personal experience or real knowledge of the Stalwart.
On this page I hope to list all the myths, and provide the correct answer. Details on the Stalwart development page, and Stalwarts in other countries should provide evidence for most of these answers.
If you know of any myths then please do drop me an email. My email is at the bottom of every page.
1) The Stalwart came into service with the British Army in 1966.
No. The Stalwart came into service with the British Army in 1963. The Mark two came into service in 1966.
2) The Alvis Stalwart was relaced by the Puma helicopter.
No. Units were issued with the Bedford TM RNX 6x6 when the Stalwart were withdrawn. The TM RNX was able to carry 14 tonnes, but did not have the off road capability of the Stalwart. Regular Stalwart loads, such as Pack fuel (Jerry cans) was often carried by DROPS vehicles with improved medium mobility later on.
The Puma helicopter can only carry 2 tonnes. The British Army had over 1000 Stalwarts. Quite as to how 3000 Puma are going to be on hand 24 hours a day is beyond me.
So to give you some info
• The Mark 2 FV622 Stalwart cost £20,000 in 1966. Most of the FV622 being ordered in 1965
• How much does a Puma helicopter cost when new in 1968?
• The last Stalwart was made and delivered in 1971.
• Stalwarts did not sit at river banks, waiting to ferry goods or troops across water.
• Stalwarts were primarily used for carrying fuel and ammunition to the forward units.
• Most forward units are moving across country, rather than following tarmac roads.
• Artillery units are usually located away from roads, in off road conditions.
• The battlefront on a Russian invasion would probably be a no fly zones for helicopter trips.
• There is no evidence of any troop seats every being trialled by FVRDE for the Stalwart.
• The Stalwart was envisaged and designed as an off road truck of High Mobility.
• The Stalwart was not designed as an amphibious vehicle that could also drive on land.
• The Stalwarts were stopped from swimming in 1982 or 83, I can’t remember when I cut my splashboard off.
• Numerous other vehicles were also stopped from swimming, due to the speed of bridge building. That includes the CVRT (Scorpion, etc), and the 430 series (432 is still in service today, called Bulldog).
• The Stalwarts started to be withdrawn in 1991, almost a decade after they were stopped from swimming.
• The stalwarts were sold off at the same time as numerous other vehicles of the 50s and 60s, like the BV202, etc, in 1993.
• Most B vehicles are kept for around 20 years maximum
3) The Berliet Auroch was made in France, and sold in competition with the Alvis Stalwart.
No. Alvis entered into an agreement with Berliet in 1964. Two Stalwarts were marked up as Berliet Auroch for publicity shots. British Leyland took over Alvis in 1965 and killed off the agreement as a matter of priority. Berliet never made any Stalwart Auroch.
4) The Mark 2 replaced the Mark 1 in British service.
No. Many of the Mark 1 remained in service alongside the Mark 2 until disposal in 1993.
5) The Stalwart was designed as an amphibious troop carrier.
No. The Stalwart was designed as a 5 ton off road cargo carrier. The amphibious part appears to come in during the trials of PV1, to see if it could ford. The amphibious part is a secondary feature, not the primary. The Stalwart's British role was to carry supplies across the European plains to the front line, using rivers when bridges had been destroyed. No evidence appears to exist of troop seating designs by the British.
6) A solder in Germany stole a Stalwart and swam across the channel.
Yes, that happened. Press coverage from 24th November 1965
And covered by other newspapers
7) A solder stole a Stalwart and tried to get across the channel, but was shot up by civilian police.
Almost. In 1988 a Stalwart was stolen, and ended up in Belgium. Press coverage from 4th May 1988 show this.
8) Shell petroleum company had 8x8 stalwarts, and the diesel engine slid out the back on runners.
No. This was just Army rumour control at it's best. Shell have no evidence of owning any Stalwarts. There is no evidence of any 8x8 Stalwart. But FVRDE did look into an 8x8 Salamander airfield Fire crash tender.
9) Military customers wanted diesel engines, but Alvis found it too costly to make new fabrication jigs.
No. Evidence of the differences in the PVs, and the difference in all the Mark 2 Stalwarts sold to other countries shows that Alvis would happily change anything to satisfy the customer.
MEXE report shows the petrol engine was kept over the K60, due to the weight increase of the diesel unit.
10) That the 6 wheel drive was selectable.
No. The Stalwart was designed as an off road High mobility vehicle, hence the permanent 6x6. Specific instructions were given to User units that the Stalwart was not to be used for Garrison duties.
Civilian users have modified ex military Stalwarts by fitting Air lockers to the forward and rear drive shafts, to give 6x2 when on tarmac.
11) That the Stalwart was disposed of because they were unreliable and kept breaking down.
No. Like anything, if you don't look after it then it will break. A properly maintained and serviced Stalwart will travel 50 miles without issue. Personally, whilst in service I've travelled 130 Km without issue.
12) That Stalwart was stopped from swimming, and then disposed of because they kept sinking.
No. The introduction of the Medium Girder Bridge , which could be assembled far more quickly then the Bailey bridge meant that Amphibious need wasn't so important. In the 1960's everything was designed to float, or trialled in attempts to make it float. As military bridge design progressed, the need changed from Fully Amphibious to Fording for beach landings and shallow rivers.
13) That the Stalwart has 24 shock absorbers, 4 on each wheel.
No. The Stalwart was 12 shock absorbers, and 12 hydraulic bump stops that limit the travel of the wishbone links. They have 2 of each at each wheel station.
14) You are supposed to mount the kerb every so many miles on tarmac, to bounce a wheel up and unwind the diffs!!!
No. The diff is between the left and right sides of the transmission drive. It is a limited non slip diff, and is fully able to go around corners.
The issue is the transmission windup between the rear wheel bevel box, and the centre wheel bevel box - and between the centre wheel bevel box and the front wheel bevel box. If the vehicle is mounted on the centre wheels, so that the front and rear are off the ground, then the windup instantly vanishes.
Ensuring that the front tyres have a slightly larger circumference than the centre and rear tyres significantly reduces the windup on tarmac.
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