The color RED is used continually in connection with Esau, Edom and it seems to not just be descriptive but symbolic.
Continually Esau is described as RED -RUDY and Hairy. Medically what could have caused this?
Ironically the connection came to me while looking at the MYSTERY cults and the THIASUS creatures that were added to the Greek Pantheon>
Key Aspects of the Thiasus (Dionysian Retinue)
Primarily human female devotees known as maenads, who replaced earlier immortal nymphs.
Characters: Included satyrs, Pan, the tutor Silenus, and sometimes Ariadne as Dionysus's consort.
Depiction: Often shown in Greek art and on vases with the thyrsos (staff), dancing, and playing instruments, depicted in theater.
Cholelithiasis/Choledocholithiasis: Medical terms for gallstones or bile duct stones.
Ichthyosis: A family of genetic skin disorders.
Ichthyosis derives its name from the ancient Greek word ikhthys, meaning "fish," referencing the dry, scaly skin resembling fish scales. While formal medical descriptions emerged later, records of this skin condition date back more than 2,000 years, highlighting a long history of human experience with this genetic or acquired keratosis disorder
I (Iota) - Iēsous (Jesus)
CH (Chi) - Christos (Christ)
TH (Theta) - Theou (God)
Y (Upsilon) - Yios (Son)
S (Sigma) - Sōtēr (Savior)
The term "Ichthys" (or Ichthus) refers to the Greek word for "fish," a symbol used by early Christians to represent Jesus Christ. It is an acronym for "Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior" (Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, Θεοῦ Υἱός, Σωτήρ). Early Christians used the fish symbol as a secret, safe, and easily drawn sign of their faith to avoid persecution in the Roman Empire.
Interpretation of Skin Disorders: those born with ichthyosis would have been considered "lepers" or outcasts in biblical times, highlighting a historical misunderstanding of genetic skin conditions versus infectious diseases and causes based on science.
People with ichthyosis have sometimes experienced stigma, with some interpretations erroneously suggesting such conditions were caused by a lack of baptism or parental sin, perspectives that are not supported by medical science.
Congenital Ichthyosiform Erythroderma
Medical literature (e.g., JAMA Dermatology) has suggested that Esau's description is consistent with congenital hypertrichosis, a rare condition characterized by excessive hair growth from birth.
Ichthyosis/Congenital Conditions: Some interpretations of the text "red... like an hairy garment" have linked his appearance to severe congenital skin conditions, such as ichthyosis (a family of genetic skin disorders characterized by dry, scaly, or thickened skin) or related conditions that present at birth.
"Red" Appearance: While some forms of ichthyosis present with skin redness (erythroderma), other conditions like congenital polycythemia or simply the birth coating (vernix caseosa) could explain the "red" description.
Nature of the Condition: The biblical account indicates this was a lifelong condition ("hairy"), but one that did not prevent him from being active as a hunter
Consanguineous marriage is a union between individuals who are closely related by blood, typically defined as second cousins or closer.
Derived from Latin for "same blood," this practice often involves partners sharing a common ancestor, frequently first or second cousins. It is legally regulated, culturally preferred in some regions to strengthen family ties, and carries higher risks of recessive genetic disorders in offspring .
Were WOMEN blamed for this? or viewed as being cursed if a baby was born with a disease that was the result of interbreeding to develop genetically.
When these genetic mutations occured were the GODDESSES seen to be cursing parents? And as people continued to marry inter familiar did this spur the shift from Goddesses with power to being strictly fertility and "honored" wife?
Can one FRATERNAL TWIN get a genetic disease while the other does not? YES One fraternal (dizygotic) twin can have Harlequin ichthyosis while the other does not. Because fraternal twins develop from two separate eggs fertilized by two separate sperm, they have different genetic makeups. Each twin has an independent 25% chance of inheriting the disease.
Harlequin ichthyosis is an autosomal recessive condition, meaning both parents must be carriers and pass the specific gene mutation to the child. Research, such as a case study published on PubMed Central, notes instances where one fraternal twin is born with this, while the other is healthy.
If both parents are carriers, they have a 1-in-4 chance of having a child with the condition in each pregnancy, regardless of whether it is a single birth or twins.
If Esau was a Harlequin Ichthyosis baby it was the fault of the parents being too closely related. Rachel alone was not to blame as the culture would have responded to blame the mother. It was the CULTURAL PRACTICE that cause it. The irony is the bible and Jews told themselves it was because Esau married "pagan women" but his actions made for a stonger gene pool and less likely for babies to be born with this terrible genetic disease. It would have been physically painful and isolating- with a mother that seemed to have no problem with exiling him.
IS that why Esau is continually noted as being a hunter? To avoice the judgements of people- the one their God CHOSE. Did their god make these babies suffer for a reason? Did any of them think that having sex with your sister or cousin was a bad idea morally, let alone biologically.
IF he had this, i would be the great sin of the Jewish people for what was done to Esau -to be blamed for the sins of a group of people as a scapgoat for eternity. And Christians should be asking WHY Jesus would have allowed this, not ever noting how this judgement created an eternal hate, and it has influences in moden day Zionist Israel supremacy over its neighbors.
"Trickster" Archetype of the HARLEQUIN Parallels in Old Testament figures who act outside typical moral constraints to fulfill a destiny or bring about divine disruption, such as Jacob and his mother, who deceive his brother Esau and his father to gain a blessing (Genesis 27)- BECAUSE of how he looked at birth.
Greek mythology ichthyocentaurs were a pair of centaurine sea-gods with the upper body of a male human, the lower front of a horse, and the tail of a fish. The twins stand out for their lobster-claw horns. They were half-brothers of the wise centaur Chiron and the sons of Poseidon and Amphitrite. They were connected to the astronomical constellation Pisces.
A first- or second-century mosaic, depicting the birth of Aphrodite, is inscribed with the names of Bythos ("Sea-Depths" or "Depth of Profundity") and Aphros ("Sea-Foam"), who are lifting the goddess' cockle-shell out of the sea.
Aphros was perhaps regarded as her foster-father, given their similarity in names.
The Twin ichthyocentaurs sea gods appear together in several works of art- a pair of matching sculptures (at the Louvre and Vatican Museum) depicts them carrying Seilen companions of the god Dionysus, after his group was driven into the sea by King Lycungus of Thrace.
Bythos (Greek for "sea depths" or "profundity") is a Greco-Roman mythological figure, specifically an ichthyocentaur (marine centaur) representing the deep ocean. Often paired with Aphros (sea foam), he is depicted with a human torso, horse legs, and a fish tail, frequently appearing in art to assist with the birth of Aphrodite.
Along with his brother Aphros, Bythos was considered a sea-god or sea-centaur, sometimes associated with the guardians of Aphrodite at her birth.
portrayed in art as powerful figures, sometimes with lobster-claw horns, often appearing in mosaics and sculptures from the 1st/2nd century CE, including scenes where they lift Aphrodite's shell.
symbolizes the profound, deep sea. The name is also used in Gnostic traditions to refer to a deep, divine emanation.
twin sea-gods were placed in the sky as the constellation Pisces.
(Flemish cartographer Abraham Ortelius, first published in 1570. Reprinted with permission by British Library and the University of Chicago Press.)
The Nereid Thetis is borne across the sea in the arms of the Ichthyocentaur (fish-centaur) Bythos. She is accompanied by her mother Doris and sister Galatea. Bythos (Sea-Dephs) is depicted as a red-skinned sea-god with crab-claw horns and the lower body of a fish-tailed horse. The Nereids wear billowing cloaks and are crowned with shining aureoles. The figures are labelled on the mosaic in Greek.
Thetis is a prominent Greek sea-goddess, one of the 50 Nereids (daughters of Nereus and Doris), known as the mother of the hero Achilles and a key figure in mythological tales. As a shapeshifting sea nymph, she was forced to marry the mortal Peleus, and their wedding was the setting for the Apple of Goddess Discord, which initiated the Trojan War.
Thetis mother of the great Achilles.
Achilles Heel as his weakness.
-Esau was born with Jacob grasping Esau's heel representing his lifelong nemesis.
Thetis sea nymph (Nereid) often regarded as a leader among her sisters, holding power over the sea. Mother of Achilles whom she famously tried to make immortal by dipping him in the River Styx. A prophecy stated that Thetis would bear a son greater than his father. Fearing this, Zeus and Poseidon, who both loved her, forced her to marry a mortal, Peleus, so her son would not be immortal and capable of overthrowing them.
Like her father Nereus, Thetis could change shapes at will, a tactic she used to avoid marrying Peleus. She is known for her kindness, rescuing gods such as Zeus, Dionysus, and Hephaestus from crises. She often appeared in the Iliad to support her son, Achilles, intervening with Zeus and securing special armor for him.
The Wedding of Peleus and Thetis was a significant event, famously missed by Eris (goddess of discord), leading to the golden apple incident.
Rescuer of Hephaestus: When Hephaestus was cast from Olympus, Thetis took care of him and protected him on the isle of Lemnos.
Relationship with Peleus: Some accounts say she abandoned Peleus after he stopped her from making their children immortal by fire.
Appearance in Art: She was frequently depicted in ancient Greek art, particularly in scenes of her wrestling with Peleus to avoid marriage, or presenting armor to Achilles
From the fourth century BCE on, it was common to represent Nereids as scantily clothed or even completely nude. In rare cases, they were also given fish tails—similar to modern mermaids.
Proteus, a sea god, has prophesied that Thetis, a nymph, will bear a son greater than his father. Zeus had intended to seduce Thetis himself, but fearing Proteus' prediction, he sends instead his grandson Peleus to ravish her. Old Testament REBEKAH
Nereids were said to possess the gift of prophecy, a power they shared with their father Nereus. They were mostly represented as helpful and kind goddesses, but they could sometimes be vengeful.
Unlike some other nymphs, such as the Dryads and Hamadryads—who had an extraordinarily long lifespan, but were not immortal—the Nereids appear to have been immune to death.
There are striking thematic similarities between Rebekah (mother of Esau and Jacob in Genesis) and Thetis (the sea-nymph mother of Achilles in Greek mythology), particularly in their roles as fiercely protective, scheming mothers who influence their sons' destinies.
Favoritism and Deception: Both mothers intensely favor one son over the other and use deception to secure their favorite son's success. Rebekah tricks her husband Isaac to ensure Jacob receives the blessing over Esau. Similarly, Thetis actively protects Achilles, using divine intervention to give him an advantage over other heroes.
Divine Intervention/Fulfillment of Prophecy: Rebekah acts on a prophecy she received from God that the younger son (Jacob) would serve the elder (Esau). Thetis acts to shape Achilles' fate, knowing a prophecy that he will have a short but glorious life.
Active Protection of a Favored Son: When Esau threatens to kill Jacob, Rebekah immediately orchestrates a plan to send Jacob away to her brother Laban for safety. Thetis attempts to hide Achilles from the Trojan War by disguising him as a woman among the daughters of King Lycomedes.
Both Mothers "Lose" Their Sons: Rebekah sends Jacob away to save his life, and according to tradition, she never sees him again, dying before his return. Thetis loses Achilles to death in the Trojan War, ultimately witnessing his demise despite her efforts.
Strong-Willed and Commanding: Both are portrayed as strong-willed, controlling characters who take matters into their own hands rather than waiting for events to unfold natural
There are several connections between the Greek sea goddess Thetis and the color red, primarily through her mythological abilities, her associations with fire, and her portrayal in art. While primarily a sea-nymph (Nereid) associated with water and silver, her narrative includes strong fiery and intense element.
Shapeshifting into Fire: When Peleus attempted to marry Thetis, she shapeshifted into various forms to escape him, including turning into flames (fire), water, a lion, and a serpent.
The Ritual of Fire: In myths regarding her attempt to make her son Achilles immortal, Thetis is often described as placing the baby in a fire at night to burn away his mortality.
Symbolism in Art (Red-Figure Pottery): Thetis is frequently depicted in ancient Greek red-figure pelike (pottery). In a particular Roman description, a cloak she gifts her son Achilles is described as "sea-purple with red glints".
Association with Red Nectar: Thetis is involved in nourishing the fallen Patroclus, having "instilled ambrosia and blood-red nectar" to keep his body from decaying.
The Fiery Copper Butterfly: The Fiery Copper butterfly (Lycaena thetis), named after the goddess, changes from a gray-white to a flaming orange-red, symbolizing the combination of her silvery/marine aspect and her fiery natur
Thetis, a sea-nymph, and Peleus, a mortal king, were married in Greek mythology to prevent a prophecy that Thetis would bear a son stronger than his father. Peleus secured her as his wife by holding onto her while she transformed into various forms, eventually leading to the birth of their son, the hero Achilles. Their wedding was famous for the exclusion of Eris, the goddess of discord, whose subsequent interference caused the Trojan War.
The Prophecy: Both Zeus and Poseidon were rivals for Thetis, but a prophecy from Themis or Proteus warned that she would bear a son stronger than his father, prompting the gods to force her to marry a mortal.
The centaur Chiron advised Peleus to attack Thetis as she slept, holding her in a tight grip through all her shape-shifting attempts to escape. Peleus found her sleeping in one of her favorite sea caves, and grabbed her. Thetis turned herself into flame, water, a raging lioness, and a serpent, but was unable to break free.
The Wedding: The wedding was held on Mount Pelion, attended by many gods, and is famously depicted in art. However, Eris (goddess of discord) was not invited. She arrived to throw the "Apple of Discord," which led to the Judgment of Paris and the Trojan War.
The Marriage & Son: Thetis was reluctant to marry a mortal and, according to some myths, she had a difficult relationship with Peleus. She bore six sons who died as infants before having Achilles.
Role of Thetis: She famously dipped Achilles in the River Styx to make him invulnerable (except for his hee
Ovid: The story is detailed in Ovid's Metamorphoses.
Homer: The marriage was already known to the audience of Homer in the late 8th century BC.
Greek Art: The scene of Peleus seizing Thetis is a popular subject in ancient pottery
Thetis thrashes and flails, her lion and serpent forms biting at her captor in a desperate attempt to break his grip. This scene captures the subversion of the divine, as a powerful goddess is physically overcome by mortal manhood. The depth of her fall is underscored by her earlier mythic status; in the Iliad and other traditions, she was a cosmic savior who rescued gods as powerful as Zeus, Hephaestus, and Dionysos.
There are some thematic and structural similarities between the stories of the Nereides (Greek sea nymphs) and certain narratives in the Old Testament
Sea-Based Divine Creatures: The Nereides are the 50 daughters of Nereus, the "Old Man of the Sea". Similarly, the Old Testament sometimes refers to or alludes to divine or chaotic beings associated with the sea (e.g., Leviathan, Rahab, or the "waters" in Genesis 1) that are ultimately subject to the power of Yahweh.
Assistance to Humans: Nereides are described as benevolent protectors of sailors and fishermen, helping those in distress. This mirrors the role of divine intermediaries in biblical stories, such as angels providing protection, though in the Bible this aid is directly under God's command rather than from independent spirits.
Prophecy and Wisdom: Nereus, the father of the Nereides, is known for his wisdom, truth-telling, and prophetic abilities. Similar figures of wisdom or prophets, such as Enoch or Daniel, appear in the Bible, and many stories involve divine revealing of secrets.
Helpful Sea Creatures: In myths, Nereides were often seen riding dolphins or being aided by sea monsters. This can be compared, in a very general thematic sense, to God using a fish to save Jonah or in the broader context of ancient myths about creatures of the deep
Purple Dead Nettle (Lamium purpureum) is a spring-blooming, edible member of the mint family historically used as an anti-inflammatory, astringent, and diuretic agent. Known for treating allergies, wounds, and skin infections, it is packed with iron and vitamins A and C. It was traditionally used as a tea, tincture, or poultice to reduce swelling.
Wound Healing: Applied as a poultice (crushed fresh leaves) to help stop bleeding and heal minor cuts, bruises,
WOULD THIS HAVE HELPED ESAU if he had a genetic skin disorder?
Astringent/Menstrual Health: White Dead Nettle (Lamium album), a close relative, was historically used to treat excessive menstruation and gynecological inflammation.
WAS THIS NATURAL REMEDY FOR WOMEN subverted as evil or witchcraft not to be trusted?
Purple dead-nettle (Lamium purpureum) is a resilient, early-spring herb often associated with themes of fertility, cheerfulness, and wild nature. Its association with Dionysus, the Greek god of wine, madness, and vegetation, links it to themes of untamed life, herbal magic, and the rustic, wild edges of civilization.
Dionysus, also known as Bacchus, is a god of vegetation and ecstasy, representing the "life-spirit of all green vegetation," including ivy and pines, which aligns with the wild, creeping nature of dead-nettle.
Folklore & Magic: While often associated with protecting against evil, white dead-nettle has also been referred to as "devil’s apron" or "naughty man's plaything," linking it to untamed, sometimes chaotic magic
