Democracy and Islam:
After the Prophet SA's death, the direct connection of Wahi is not available and Divine law has to be interpreted by the people. Islam guides us to run the affairs through majority
Summary of main agreements/disagreements:
- We agreed that the process to elect/select ruler is not directly mentioned in Quran and Sunnah of Prophet SA.
- XYZ considers method of selection of khulfa-e-rishideen as Ijma-e-Sahaba, and considers following one of those methods is a binding.
- I disagreed. I don't consider absence of a dissenting voice written in books of Ahadith as conclusive evidence of acceptance i.e Ijma-e-Sahaba. Moreover, I consider that such voices existed in form of Hazrat Fatima RA and Hazrat Ali RA not takng Bai't of Hazrat Abu Bakr RA till she died, they did not even tell Abu Bakr RA about her death and burried her at night (Mentioned in hadith in Bukhari). It is also mentioned in following part of hadith by Umar RA which shows that some people were against appointment of Abu Bakr RA
"اور سن لو بلاشبہ جس وقت حضور اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کی وفات ہوی تو ابوبکر رضی اللہ عنہ ہم سب سے بہتر تھے البتہ انصار نے ہماری مخالفت کی تھی اور وہ سب لوگ سقیفہ بن ساعدہ میں جمع ہو گئے تھے۔ اسی طرح علی اور زبیر رضی اللہ عنہما اور ان کے ساتھیوں نے بھی ہماری مخالفت کی تھی اور باقی مہاجرین ابوبکر رضی اللہ عنہ کے پاس جمع ہو گئے تھے۔"
In my view, this shows that it can not be termed as consensus. XYZ thinks that Hazart Ali RA only had issue with "not making him part of process" and as he finally took bai't so Ijma was established. I disagreed to this. We briefly discussed that Shia books also give some information against establishment of such Ijma as well. XYZ said that appointment of Usman RA was discussed in more detail in history. Again my view was that lack of dissenting voice does not establish consensus. My opinion is close to what is said by Ahmed Ibn-e-Hanbal "Whoever claims consensus is a liar.” - Ibn al-Qayyim. I'lam al-Muwaqqi'in. The argument of Imam Ibn Hanbal is that one may claim there is no known case of disagreement or dissent, but a positive claim of ijma (consensus) is simply not tenable without appropriate evidence.
- We agreed that election part of process is somewhat similar between Democracy and Khilafat.
- I understood from XYZ that one main difference will be that Parliament (Majlis-e-Ummah) will have advisory role to Khalifa who will make laws in light of Quran and Sunnah.
- We agreed that a Parliament can pass an un-Islamic law in current Democracy (We somewhat dis-agreed that it can be challenged in court or not based on "Objective Resolution").
- I disagreed with XYZ on whether the process he is mentioning stops a Khalifa to pass an un-Islamic law (which Khalifah considers Islamic either sincerely or due to personal interests). I consider the checks on such act are less stringent in the system he mentioned than in democracy -- where the law making is distributed over a larger set i.e. Parliament. Rest of the checks on Khalifa as mentioned by XYZ were more or less similar to democracy i.e. Qazi-ul-Mazalim (Court), Majlis-e-Ummah (Parliament) and People.
- XYZ disagreed with my view and he thinks that Khalifa will use only Quran and Sunnah for law making. My take was that Quran and Sunnah are always interpreted by people and interpretations differ greatly. At most there can be a check for an un-islamic law to be challenge-able in court which we already have in form of "Objective resolution".
With these were agreements and disagreements the discussion ended.