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Mon 11/03/08

Oppenheimer .. disagreed with Teller .. said that if you make an atomic bomb and you don't how to protect yourself from it , then you've let loose pandora's box.

you're letting lose forces that you may not be equal to .. in terms of responsibilities

huxley .. opposed to oppresive names..

see that in characters:

Bernard Marks

Lenina Crown

.. Lenin .. .. and that was not his real name .. named after the Lenina .. czar had killed so much that it ran red for three days

are they named as praise names or teasing names

benito - think: musilini

houver - "kleenix" brand of vacuum cleaner

polly trotsky .. playing with these images of totalitarian figures

is a critque of religion: isn't a critique of a deep spiritual religion .. but rather of an unthinking performance thing

he himself was an agnostic .. but knew that organized religion was not somehing he wanted to participate in.

.. .. worried about the ritualized portions of religion.

takes cildren's nursery rhymes ..

solidarity services .. let's all get together and agree on the same things .. SS

at times critiques of other rligions

sense a tremendous loss of individual and societal values .. nuclear family has been replaced by....

.. people don't get married here .. there isn't a ral family then .. people are made in test tubes .. no father and mothers to speak of

becomes a chrime to be vivaparous .. made by actual human sex

electric shock strip in the middle of the room:

- flowers and books in the middle of the room .. and as they get close to them it shocks them .. don't want them to be attracted to the country side or to nature .. and books - don't want them reading books

.. far enough down (gamma delta) that they can't do it

but books allow you to ask questions, educate yourself,

when you read a good book .. start to get ideas your OWN opinions

also curiocity

implicitly revolutionary .. especially if it was about history .. quesion the facts .. take another look at it.

forms individuality vs the society that they're trying to create.

stability, community (no individuality), identity

.. fermentation .. introduce change .. sick!

.. always taking soma to feel happy -- maintains community, identity, stability

..good book get to experience what it's like to be something else .. plato didn't like it either

.. moment when you're really with the book .. rest of the world disappears .. private .. amazingly energized .. if the author really fine .. whole self it answer .

instead .. supposed to joy ride in your comero

- making society into mindless consumers

.. he had just had an extended visit to the us!

people use each other .. there are not lasting relationships .. frowned on as much as nature, beauty

headonism .. intersting word ..

utopia .. moderation .. enjoying things but not excess .. doing with out completely .. asceticism .. or rampant headonism

.. but a little bit of headonism is really OK .. even for MOre .. eating and driinking .. having a good dump makes your day better ..

we're more than spiritual beings .. physical beings

balanced headonism is OK but this mindless headonism is self-distrcutive

.. haluciogens .. realized the dangers of doing them ..

can see these oteer aspects in the modern world as being like drugs

.. hipnosis .. conditioning .. critical of all of these.

see handout Dystopia

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utopia .. nowhere

dystopia .. nightmarish extremes .. so the nowhere idea again!

fahrenheit 451 -

handmaids tale

the giver ..

the development of the characters as far as we've come.

bernard marks .. alpha .. what does that mean?

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conditioning .. start out with the test tubes that go down th line and if they're exposed to certain things .. they will turn out a superior person .. and if they're deprived .. add alcohol .. then they get a less - intenigent person

all engineered

and then shock theorapy to turn toddlers in different ways

outside playing: bumble puppy ..

games all designed to use as much consumer items as possible

once you're in your social class, how do they make people comfortable:

- sleep teaching .. "gee it's nice to be a delta"

while they sleep .. that person then gets comforatble with that position

.. brainwashing

compare with advertizing .. and hearing the same jingles.

bernard marx - writes the software for the tapes .. comes up with subtle messages for hipnopedic messages.

totalitarian . but kinda attractive.

good distopia .. some well meaning people reaaly trying to create an ideal society

1.everyone is happy with their social status and job

2. lots of entertainment during leasure hours

3. sex w/o strings, guilt

4. youthfullness until you die and no fear of death .. comments on botox .. desparate to maintain eternal youth

no poverty, no war, no unrest,

safe drug to get you though stressfull times

religion-like groups

can imagine .. somebody trying to design a society like that .. think it will be ideal

"happy" vs happy .. what is happiness .. some kind of dalectical arrangement between the individual and life .. not just meeting these creature comforts.

end of chapter 5? - hellicopter trip -

lenina and bernard go on a date .. fly across the ennglish channel

- and they actually want to see woman mudwrestlers ..

bernard lets the hellictor hover over the waves of the north sea .. pay attention to that scene

.. confrontation between the two of them

think about what's being said ..

bernard - alpha (probably alpha +) .. but he's actually kind of an individual

.. he thinks that there's something wrong with him .. rumors that they made a mistake .. because he smaller than he's supposed to be. looks like a gamma in size.

bothered by those rumros .. thinks they might be true .. so wheenever he feels these fellings of individuality, he thinks maybe they're right.

chapter 4 - elevator -

allegory of the cave .. elevator operator is chained to the wall

philosopher kings and queens step out into the light .. he goes back down into the dark stupor

very moral message .. but the humor cuts both ways

laugh and choke on own laughter

brave new world - from the temptest.

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Fri 11/07/08

D. H. Lawrence .. wrote pretty sexually explicit stuff

thing that's interesting about hit .. actually very good friends with huxley .. huxley was with him when he died

lwarence .. went out to new mexico in 20's .. .. taos, nm became kind of a haven for artists and writers ..

... apparently dH lawrence got some land ner taos nd hung out hher

became very impressed by native american civilization .. thougoht of it as sort of an antidote toward the problems of modern civilization.

intersting because .. brve new world gives a portrayal of nm in this book and we don't get the felling that huxley shared quite the positive feelings that dh lawrence did

later in his life, huxley did experiment with durgs .. his view of durgs in BNw are negative .. becaase he was against using htme as a way to escape reality .. but he used them to enhance reality

.. experimented in 50 's the doors of perception

.. the group the doors took their name from that

another famous conneciin .. huxley's grandfather was thomas huxley .. probably darwin's greatest defender.

.. a. huxley was pretty much almost blind for his life .. was actually blind for a year annd a half in his youth

.. but always big thick glasses

take a look at first page of novel.

a squat grey building of only 34 stories ..

in london , the highest thing is probably the grat cathedral .. if you lok at the skyline, there's not toomany tall building

so when he says "only 23 " .. that's kinda ironey right ttere .. really unheard of .. so thinngs have really changed a lot

next paragraph -

nortt, cold, pallid, goose-flesh, wintryness, white, plale corpse colored, dead , ghost

.. death and stark, unlifelike images .. and then the page cluminates .. with "and this is the fertilizing room"

quite intentional irony

people manufactured and trained

ectogenesis .. like test tube babies

and then he borrows from behaviorist psychology .. pavlov

... experiments .. first historically significant example of psychological conditioning

.. food, bell, salivate

.. and of course that's what they do with the babies .. shocks when they try to touch the flowers and the books .. rwally browwoing this new idea of behaviorial pyschology

.. counterpoint to "loooking backword" .. positive view of science and technology

hypnopedia .. sleep conditioning .. interesting the discussion about that .. at first hter was the feeling that you could use this to each people .. several decades ago .. thought tht you could take a tape recorder and listen to the lectures while you're sleeping.

.. in this book .. thought it would work .. tried to teach hiim geography .. and he could repeat word for word what he heard but didn't udnerstand what he was saying

so a better use was for moral training .. that's kind of a satirical look at moral training

so they tach their brand of morality through hipnopedia.

gustov amon .. one of the 10 controllers of the world ..

doesn't seem to be a real rhyme or reason to how he assigned the names

mustofa comes from the father of modern turkey

mont comes from a british polititican alfred mont.

so those areeth two real life peopple and doesn't seem to be a lot of conenction.

lenina crown lenin.. fannie .. derived foom fanny caplan .. who tried unsuccessfully to assasinate lennin.

so doesn't seem to really be a reason why particular aames were chosen for particular people

.. a lot of them pass by the modern reader .. not in the news anymore

but in the course of the first time we see mustofamon ..

he sits down and gives a lecture to the students.

.. history is bunk.

model T -- 1908 .. model A -- 1903

calendar in this society established on the model T in 1908

ransom ols .. oldsmoble .. sorta had an idea for an assembly line in 1901 .. but ford perfected it

model T was really the first consumer automobile

became a very big symbol of consumerism .. o used as year 1 in this new society

even though mustofamon says tht history is bunk, there are some people who hagve access to history -- he does -- and he imparts some of it to these students.

perhaps these studnets are upperclass .. otherwise, why would they be given the history

becuase history is threatening to stability -- deals with alternative societies , culture .. you mihht think about an alternative culture that may be better than theeone your'e living in .

.. so history really isn't worthless .. it's dangerous.

chronology -

af 184 - comes later in the book

but up to 184 - all of this comes from the lecture .. page 52

the introduction of OUr Ford's first T model ..

so AF 1 is 1908 (after ford)

page 46 - ectogenesis .. supposedly test tube babies were known at the time .. but no one did it becaase it was christianity

refers to something happening .. page 47 / 48 - world holocaust .. world wide war .. which does not involve nuclear weapons .. . huxley said that was a big mistake .. never realized how big the atom would be .

nin year war .. af 141

.. the noise of 40,000 airplanes ...

allusions to anthrax bombing of england and france .

later on , russian technique of contaminating water supliest

further down the list .. conscription of consumption

after 9 yers war .. great economic collapse .. this was 1932 in reall life .. so he was borrowing on that idea.

first step was to try to create a culture of consumption ..

idea was .. can we control society without violence ..

and on page 49 -- givernments .. sitting not hitting .. conscription of consumption -- what is consumptin do .. how does that help?

.. drives the society and makes it easier to drive

getting at .. if you can get people to be so obsessed with concumption ... they won't be thinking about other things -- other things that won't make them dissatisfied.

.. so if you're happy consuming, you won't think about is this a just society/

can make a kind of modern connection to US society -- extreme need by political officials to actually create a vibrant economy .. not just an economy where people's needs a satisfied and can address other issues

but almost a necessity to reate an economy that produces a lot of toys .

not quite as sinister .. but if you can keep the toys flowing, you can keep people happy .. and if you keep people running you can stay in office.

there's a backlash to consumerism ..

- concientious objection and back to nautre movement .. simple lifers .. green movement .. away foom concumption .. so we're almost having history repeating itself.

but of course they were a trheat to society .. and so eventually they have to be delt with .. massacre of the simple lifers in goldrs green .. a section of london.

.. that's page 50 -

then they realized that they really had to abandone force and gain stability in some other way .

realized that the only way to do that .. was ectogenesis , behavoir modification, and hipnopedia ..

so they found a clevorer way to really gain stability .. beginning of the anti-history movement

so all the books that were published before 150 ("world state beginning) .. were supposednly destroyed .. they still hang around in the offices of the world controllers.

soo they tried to obliterate history .. that mean closig the museums too.

soma. almost all societies have some kind of substance that people take to kind of dull human experience ..

. alcohol .. in other socieitie might be something else

but most of the drugs that are taken have side effects that aren't reaaly good

.. so find somethng safe so taat people can take a chemical when they feel bad to sorta space out.

page 53 - used to take cocaine .. but they wanted something safer

produced drug called soma

.. not only permissible but actually dispensed by the government .. soma handed out

given their ration of soma to space out on.

training people - as the kids get into their preteen tyears, they encourage erotic play -- the fourth element of the conditioning of people .. when they have the tour of the conditiooning center, the kids are out frollicking in the bushes .

general value .. everyone belongs to everyone else -- no marriage , no individual, no family .. mother and father are now dirty wordss.. no such thing as a mother and father now

.. a lot of discuragement o having a kind of exclusive relationship with someone

.. lenina has been exclusively dating henry foster for four month .. that's a problem.

interesting kinds of phrases.

you reaaly must be more infantile in your leasure time.

helmhost watson:

alpha+ .. writer .. in our society he would be a writer of some sort..

he writes the hipnopedic phrases for the contorl ..

but he's very handsome, good looking, tall .. and friend of bernard marx .. he's alpha + as well but he has some strange characteristics ..

bernard is also a little more human .. not as 2d

.. not necessarily admirable .. got an inferiority complex .. sensative about the fact that he's small.

also feels bad about .. thinking as an individual

he's felling normal human emotions but he's been so conditioned that he thinks there's something wrong.

watson has an entourage of woman following him around .. ut he also kind recognizedds his own individualiyyhat to make of it .. feeling strange .. page 69 - "did you ever feel"

feeling the common urge that a writer would have in an ordinary society and he doesn't know what to make of it .. but here's no such thinga s writing of that sort

so in some sense, he and bernard havesomething in common .. both outsiders.

one thing about marx that's kinda disappointing is the way he treats lower level people

.. acts overly superior and treats them kinda shabbily .. but almost like he's trying to make up for the fact of his feelings of inadiquacy

.. getting at a psychological way that people with an inferiority complex might deal with it - by overkill

.. can learn a lot about a person about the way they treat waiters and waitressess

.. a person who's confident in himself, treats waiters and waitresses well .. person with a problem .. treats them like crap

lenina and foster in helecoptor -

78-86 - discussion of the solidarity service

.. from pov of satire, what is huxley getting at?

what happens there:

consumerist church ...

they have rituals .. there's acutally a eucharist .. talking / singing in unison .. so it does kinda resemble a church service

seems like huxley has a negative feeling of formal religion

from pov of theme of this book .. if you eliminate the religious element, you still need something like religion to get people to be stable and make them go on with their lives

the satirical pprt: takes the idea of religious service and weds it with oregy .. everyone has sex at the end of the service.

religion as a sexuaaly stimulating in some fassion

88-94 .. first date betwen lenina and marx.

helecoptor hovering motionless in air .. wants to lok at nature

and lenina is completely put off by that .. product of her society.

.. why does he want to do this instead of some of those mindless games.

he wants to do unusual things like take a walk in the park

marx gets warned by the director of the hatchury that he's not acting infantile enough .. going to be sent to iceland

95-9 - warning

103 -- finds out that he's going to be sent to iceland.

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reservation:

durty, poor, squalid.. old people .. see people who are using mascal .. alcohol drink .. using it the same way they use it in the world state.

view of this society is pretty negative .. a little different of dh lawrences's view of this society..

doesn't see indian culture as an alternative

so then this book only provides two differentttttttttt models .. the new state , which doesn't work . and theeprevious society which is impoverished and so on.

rave new world revisited -- what he would have done differently .. main regret was that he ohnly had two alternatives for a society for john .. new society and native american culture.

who is john?

.. linda -- john's mother .. connected to the director from the world state

so DHC's kid

before bernard went over to the reservation

when world controller sees that he's going to nm, remensises going to nm

what about these two people in this society - both of them are very isolated but for different reasons.

linda is a product of the world - wtate culture .. so she comes to this indian culture and she behaves the normal way for her society -- which is to sleep with any guy that comes around.

john is an outsider primarily becuase of his looks -- reverse racism .. he's blond and blue eyes.

obviously not part of the idian culture.

.. ostricized in the society ..

intellectual develoopment:

initially taught to read by mother but all she has is training handbook

but then someone else in the tribe give shim the complete works of shakespeare

.. idea of what real life off the reservation would be like ..

bueffre then .. he's got a mixture of indian ritual and christianity ..

talks about how he wants to ponder what it feels like to be cricified

.. and indian colutre, and shakesperare, and stories he hears from this mother

mother tells where she came from .. tells of beautiful society

john thinks that he's heard all these stories .. he's an outcase in this society .. he can enjoy this great society .. really excited to go

why does bernard want to bring him back to london

.. john is the son of the director .. the director has carried out his threat going to send to iceland

so he decides lie he has to figure out how to defend himself ..

so bring this guy back .. john .. to have something on the diretor and hopefully save his job.

.. do you have anything to say in your defense.

.. brings in linda and john.

so director resigns in shame from his position.

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Mon 11/10/08

bernard marx bringing john and linda back from england to the new world

in this period of time, the golden hour for bernard marx .. become a famous perons .. brought back john to civilization .. living the life he never lived before .. more like watson in some ways .. more attracted to woman , people are ignoring the fact that he's a little short

lenina is also doing weel .. in imporant circles

arch bishop of caturbery finds here interesting and so does the ford chief justice.

things go sour in chp12 .. bernard setting up big meeting .. going to put john on display .. really important get to gether

but john won't come out off his room .. tired of being put on display

.. downfall of bernard marx .. lost control of his ward

helmost , john and bernard .. seem to get along pretty well.

helmost and john .. both have an independant spirit

love of words .. john .. shakespere .. but when helmhost hears these he says "hey that sounds really cool"

gives a little poetry .. students don't seem to udnerstaad it

helmhosts reaction to romeo and juliet .. thinks it ridiculous .. doesn't have the clutureal basis

.. totally foreign to him .. grown up in a society where everybody belongs to everyone else

can't understand the plot although can understnad the beauty of the language

.. so independant but still victim of circomstances

common feeling that lenina has had sex whith john .. we know that that's not the case

.. movie .. black man and white woman .. thinks of othello

.. huxley imagining wwat a movie might be like in the future ..

lenina things they'll have sex afterward , then don't

goes to johns apartmennnt .. wants to know why they cant move the relationship forward

declares his love for her .. but wants a permanent relationship

but she just hears that he loves her so she starts taking off her clothes

.. calls her a strumpet .. shakespearean word for whore .. tells her to leave

that's whee john gets the phone call that his mom is dying .. goes to visit her ..

when she came into the scene , they allow her to go on a soma holiday .. soma od .. and she ages very quickly .. on dealth bed

.. group of people there - desensitizing the children to death

.. but here they're confronted with john .. ruining the whole conditioning lesson

he's so upset that as he's going out of the hospital , he sees a group of meneal workers getting soma .. throws it out the window .. says you don't need soma .. you can live a real human life w/o it

really created a scene at the apartement .. they call helmhost

helmhost gets right in with john .. marx is afraid to get involvedd

when the police come .. swat team . but nice soothing voices and anesthetic to shower on people

they calm the whole thing down .. take the ring leaders to the authorities .. they take bernard too

all three of them end up at the world controller's office.

dicussion between the world controller and the three other characters, bernard, helmost and john . and then one on ooooooooooone between john and the world controller

chapter 16 and 17

chapter 16 - are certain things really useful to life or can they ben eliminated ..

discusson of art and science.

art. mostopha mond says about art: .

john asks why do you have these stupid movies when you could be presenting othello

mond's reply: they're too old -- don't fit in anymore ..

why would othello go over like a lead balloon?

.. mond seems to be saying our objective twas to achieve stability through a kind of mindless happiness .. these kinds of interpersonal conflicts .. they don't have these problems anymore .. you wouldn't have them anymore

.. but in looking backword, they still have literature ..

so bellamy says that you still would have great art and literature

looking backword: .. well people are aware of the problems of the past.

brave new world - conditioned to live in the moment .. abolished history .. all books prior to af 150 were banned in the new world.

so not only in the new orld were the people supposedly happy, but htey're not aware of the concept of happiness

.. so in that sense maybe they don't disagree.

drugs and suspention of reality

.. severely modifying rather than natural

looking backword -- the fact that people were alturistic was not some kind of aritficial change .. but that was the real true human nature .. the new society just allows those emotions to come to the forefront.

art would either fall flat or conjur up uncontrollable emotion

science -- roll of science.

on one leve, this semes to be a very scientific society -- controlling the human being from conception to all the way trhough life .. scientific principles are used throughout creating the society

you might say that this is the ultimate scientific society

but very controlled sicence .. not allowed to find alternatives , experiment

the idea of pure / experimental sicence has been eliminated

they're dealing with applied society

but at some point, science got far enough advanced that they could control the society .. make it stable once they had the scientific ability to achieve a particular end, they any further science might be disruptive .. so an effort to stagnate science at a certain spot.

once they got the science they want, there really isn't a lot of advancement.

.. idea of having so many low - level jobs is kinda strange .. we think of modern science as automation

so you would think that if science were really for the betterment of human beings, you should think you would want to eliminate unfun jobs .. make them automated

but they make a huge lower class .. because they have so many jobs to do

.. so even though this is a scientifically engineeried society, science has been curtailed

mond was a physicist there at one time .. and he had to amke a decision .. if he wanted to continue, he would have been sent to an island

.. decides to join with the state and became one of the most successful

but sorta whistful abouu hiving given up so much ..

then at end of chapter 16 - watson leaves the scene

ch17 .. conversation between mond and John .. function of religion .. role of religion

we can kinda guess huxley's side .. he's on johns side .. but there's some interesting , troubling points that mont makes .. about what it really means to be human

even though huxley may disagree , we can't dismiss his positions that easily

argument - religion is for people who have fear of death / old age .. troubles in life ..

the society has basically taken away or eliminated the kinds of things that tend to make people drawn to religion .. questions about ultimate reality etc

according to mont .. all the things that would normally draw people to religion, this society has been able to overcome .. therefore , religion is irrelevant .. not wrong .. mustopha mond believes in God .. but the question of his existance is no longer necessary .. to bring him up might be destabilizing

other thing .. the general thesis .. we've created a society that has eliminated all the things that are normally troubling about human existance

.. john saysshe wants pain .. but don't we go through life try9ing to eliminate sorrow and suffering?

.. t isn't the creation of ideal societies the elimination of such things?

so we have a society that does that .. but now we see something wrong with it.

"one of the things about pain in life is that it helps you enjoy the good things"

.. if that were true, you might want to create an ideal society with just enough pain?

suffering for betterment

suffering because of free will

.. suffering for grwoth and advancement

.. not just the end result .. the process of getting there

difficult to have a discussion .. everyone's programmed to say the same things

the intellectual discussion that does take place si really between just a vew characters .. all of whom are outside of teh society to some extent.

page 223. how can you consider yourself an ideal society when you crated so many low level people

mustopha mond says "we tried that --

this is when the rest of the historical timeline comes

.. none of them wanted to clean toilets

.. but why didn't they use more technology

why not condition in remedial work? we still do that today

.. but if you're intelligent enough you won't be satisfied doing that

.. so portrayal isn't very realistic .. but dramatic effect .. of going to war.

another experiment on 223 .. ireland

.. reduced hours of work .. there was nothing significant enough to occupy them outise of their work .. they oon't have families to take care of or relationship.

so they only have entertainment and soma.

huxley could have made it a litte scarier .. say yes, what we try to do in an idea society is what we did in this one ..

so what is it that we really value in human existance .. if it's all just pleasure and pain, then this society should work .. but if there's something wrong with this society, what is the problem .. what do we find repungant about that?

ending:

interesting and ambiguous

marx and helmhost sent of to islands

helmhost wants a challenge .. seed to the falkman islands .. really exist .. off the cost of argentina

thinkning about this island as being british .. logical place to send people

john wants to go to an island but he has to remain because he's still of scientific interest

so he kinda escapes to the rural area of england .. lodges himself in an air-lighthouse

.. punnishes himself in remembrance of his mother

a lot of guilt ..

thing with lenina .. hast been able to be the kind of person in this society .. has guilt for the feelings that he has for lenina

so he has a self-hate .. and comes from an india culture who does that

so he punnishes himself

fotographer gets pictures of him doing self multilation

reporters come .. and he kicks them out

when they find out about this self-flagulation .. a group of ordinary citizens come to watch him do his thing

as they're waiting for him to do his thing, he refuses .. but then lenina shows up and all the feelings of self-loathing are projected on to her

.. he's using the whip on her and himself .. and theegoup of people -- they start getting intoiio pretend to whip each other ..

normal procedure is that they end the service and have sex

and that's what they do here ..

oh my god my god:

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stupefied by soma .. what do you make of it?

killed lenina? perhaps

thorsen: only way he could have had soma is that somehow he got absorbed into the orgy .. for the first time, felt like he belonged.

.. so he could be just as mortified for having oone that as he would have been killing lenina

.. that disgust was so great that it explains the end where he kills himself.

.. and 'cuz he has no other choice .. either live in indian society or live in "Ideal society"

deliberately vague what happened, but the hints are there

.. seems like going along with the process.

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Wed 11/12/08

brook farm

nathanial hawthorne .. didn't like to work out in the fields, so he left

brook farm , unlike some of the communities we see was highly respected .. esp for their school system

not all children in the schoool where cldren of members .. anyone could send their children there

no changes to family living.

but a lot of the people were young single

didn't all have to buy shares .. just as an investment.

.. even with investment .. wasn't able to hold together very long

harvord .. great deaa of respect for the place

harmoney / new harmoney .. both existed in same area .. new replaced old

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new harmony

milll .. changed the oonditions of the milll as a social experienment .. did well thee .. so eventually convinced that he should try the land in america

.. factory was so humanine .. most didn't care too much about quality of life

really a dreamer.

so idealistic .. cyould invote just abou anybody to the community

.. like an open invite .. appeared to a lot of pepoe like a place you can go to for a free ride .. didn't want to work

so they had prrllems getting people to do the work .. becaase very open on who they allowed to come to this thing

.. so mjuch troubleegetting a long .. started to form another new hamoney -- breakoff.

owen ..socialism

caa still visit new harmoney.

basic work not getting done. .. like alpha experiment??

woen was in all kinds of stuff .. so he was hardly ever there .. but he was the charismatic leader.

too much faith in the idea thatthe organization would run itself

only connectionbetween rapp and own were businness .. they made two different societies.

faith based vs reason based.

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Mon 11/17/08

more's utopia in a far away location

.. isolated .. so that youant really get there

.. bishop want to go there

locate a utopia in a far away place where it can exist without interference .. without pollution

.. one reason why america survived was that it was far enough away from europe

separating western from easter thiinking

opposed to western technology -- mostly weant weapons .. but could have meant email as well :-D

wanted to cast a spell with this story

nicely blended narrative and ideas

blue print for an ideal society

mystique of sangri la

. buhdism .. dahi lama

.. chinese came in in 1950 and annexed it to china

magical mystery tour -- citar ..

part of the whole 60's hippie movement .. explore world culture .. ask different quesiins .. experience the world in a wonderful sense that budhism would exihibit

sangri la exhudes a special mystery .. tranquility in the midst of the modern world.

sangri la

- camp david was actually named shangri la before eisenhower.

.. so the name has continued to have this mistique associated with it

and this is what hilton has given us .. and other books.

bigraphical context

shangri la .. probably made up by hilton .. but he might have heard the similar tibetan word for ideal place.

born in 1900 .. grew up in cancashire .. north of lundon .. a place that allowed him to really experience his own background in the sense of the british social system which would bbecome repugnant to him.

.. goodbye, Mr. chips .. about a school teacher (his father wasa school teacher)

quite prolific .. already publishing articules in the manchaster guardian

quite a liberal publication .. wa a venue that young artistss to seek and would be more likely to get a good hearing. .. allow a young writer a chance

had gone to a public schoool in england ("private" for us) ..

formed by that school experience ..

played a formative role in his being critical of british colonialism and western imperialism over all

when world war i broke out .. he was 14 and he bacame a pacifist .. a strong pacifist

graduated from christ' college, cambridge .. Ma in english and history

.. lectured at cambridge

in 1931 .. really his first novel .. "and now goodbye" .. it was a comercial success .. and that allowed him to leave england .. moves to america ..

one the hwatornden prize, in 1934 .. for lost horizen .. british for pultzer prise

.. but really not a novel that people paid much attention .. until they read goodbye mr chips and then re-read lost horizon

very prolific writer .. could juust crank out publishable manuscript

wrote about 12-15 page of *pollished* prose a day

consumed books .. could sit here and read one novel after another

novelist screnwriter journalist eassyingsst short story writer .. biographer ..

also known as being rachonteur .. french "to recount" .. he's just a person who's good at telling stories

loved to tell a good story

lived in hollywood 1940-154 .. last years his life

continued to write novels but was quite famous for his screen play "mrs. miniver"

dies already in 1954 of cancer having left us some wonderful reads ..

they're not meant to be first rate literature but literature that is fun to read but fullof ideas at the same time

what are hthe formative influences that influenced him so deeply as to write this book

1. when he was 14 , wwi .. 1914-1918 .. that's the first very historical context.

trench warfare -

chemical warfare, mustard gas

if a unit moved out of the trench .. machine gun .. you could literally eliminate an entire group of soldiers at once .. such as an entire college class

first airal warefare

tanks and barbed wire

artilery

there is where the term shell-shocked came from

----> post tramatic stress disorder

important to keep in mind .. allusions to conway's experience world war i

legends of the fall

scene where on eof the bortherssgo off to the war .. horrific

real nightmare situation

all quiet in the western front.

.. written from the german point of view

german name for the novel: Investem nehistnhewst .. nothing new in the west .. lie, the nsname old game

he is a major paicifist who very much influenced hilton . .. 110

belongs to the collection in sangri la .

and some of the books that we've read for class.

2. great depression

.. tramatic - unemployment rate was 25%

the people who were employed had their pay cut in half . so they werent unemployed but they stil had to scrape by

.. savings went down to 1/3 of what they were

3. rize of facismo Franco, musilini, and hitler (really schickelgruber)

these are the primary formative influence sthat really resonation strongly in the novel ..

conway survives the trench war .. a very different man

great depression .. clused through another character

rise of facism .. threat that there will be another war after world war 1 ..

.. atomic bomb .. the whole world could be destoried.

.. apocolypse

how can we survive this impending doumb .. what seems to be on the horizon .. given the tendancies fo the very consermerist society in which he lived

genera of scientific warning novel

lost world fantasy..

perilous voyage to a secondary world.

very distructiveness of arial warfar .. holds out the promise that aircraft could do good things.

similar to mores utopia .. he takes us around

the main character conway .. having ome kind of experience here .. leaving and hoping to return to this place.

buhdist thing contrasted with the wester .. ust in the favor of the easter .. but the wester holds some promise .. not all technologies are distructive

.. good plumbing comes from the west.

not trying to say one over the other but their meant to be foils ..

.. two different opposite ideals ..

conway .. 37

malisan is 24

ms brinklo in her 50's

barnard

keep in mind how different these individuals are ..

you really want to see them as representatives of different ways of looking at life

himileas .. highest .. mt everist . 2929ft ..

.. who first got to the top .. sir edmond hilary

sherpa guide

1953 .. to have made it to the top of the world ..

mountain .. rarified atmosphere

60 - 61 .. all morning the climb proceeded.

this already foreshadows how they will recieve shangri la .. how they physically and then psychologically

.. almst like champaign ..

thinking person of action .. gold in plato's repulic ..

conway .. whole body moved in a single rhythm

mind-body fusion -- highest level.

youngest should bbe able to handle it .. but struggling.

miss brinklow is not going to complain

but conway's on another level .. you can see in him something else.

performing ballet .. feel that you're overcoming .. physical laws .. but really just using music and timing reaaly well.

what happens to a human being like conway who survives wwi

.. appreciate life .. why did i survive?

desensatized

detached

. doesn't really care about the world anymore

distant ..

portrayal of conway ambiguous

pts .. numbness .. to the world

but here protrayed more positively .. as the first step of budhism ..

abandon desire to controll things.

mallensen .. always wants to get control

conway .. sits back an relaxing .. actually frestrates mallenson at times .. lack of energy in meeting the challenges that are there.

.. will / ego has to be let go

get in the flow of thte thing

groovy to do for the beetles . meant vibes .. feeling ..

can't do that uneless you let go of yourself

the more you travel , the llss you judge

post tramatic stress .. just takes you away

contrsasting these horrible experiences with this little oasis of tranquility .. taaes on a special magic.

conway -- person so devistated by the way .. is open to this one window of experience .. others try to impose their will

.. miss brinklow can't let it in .. she's got her own agenda .. missionary

source of the story .. here's the story .. maybe it's trie myabe it's not

prologue ..

aviator stops by . and the sbbject comes up about th e missing plain

marrator .. woodford greenneurologist

ruthaford talking to narrator

takes green aside and discusses the experience that he had where he found conway in a mission hospital in china .. and managed to get him to come with im to the us

rutherford : he's a writer ..

soupposedly . conway , who disappeared has reappeared in china .. conway has amnesia and then supposedly on this trip in the ocean liner recovers his memory and then starts talking to ruthaford and then ruthaford writes it in a novel and then hands it to green to read.

a little bit like riply's believe it or not .. not all true

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exam like unit exam -- friday december 12th

don't have to use all 3 categories for each essay

two different ones from each category

shangri-la .. hard to find a source that deals wihh the book -- all resorts .. has become somewhat synonomeous with utopia .. but mores specifically getway place

.. original name of camp david ..in 1940's by fdr

became camp david in the 50's .. after his grandson

message and warning

in many ways, on eof the these of the book is believeing things when theyr'e not necessarily credible

in many ways th eauthor plays with the reader by being purposly ambiguous .. challenges the reader to decide whether you'll belive it or not

.. the framing of the book, the prologue and epilogue .. is designed to give you a feeling of real life people

one of these people has this manuscript that he gives to one of the other people

supposed author is not really hilton but the manuscript.

.. very last page -- not hilton but woodford green .. neurologist who recieved the manuscript from rutherford

keep in min that on the surface what we're reading is based on the memory of the person who had amnesia

secondly, have these discussions supposedly on an oceal liner between conway and rutherford and then after these conversations are done rutherford says .. well i remembered them the best they could

buut rutherford is a novelist .. and they write fiction

so weven a third level of ambiguity .. so that's the framing of this thing

maybe this is true

page 20. real quote from tertullian

hey Ryan! I can't spell!!!

and that's the end of it .

translates: it is certain because it is impossible

rutherford is telling woodford green that there's a good reason to believe it because it's so incredible.

main part of the story after proluge

review about conway .. quite interesting .. significant in the development of the plot

something about conway is iddferent and to the peopole in the llamasery the thing that's different about him is a positive .. he gets the high audience with the llama

.. ultimate reason that sangri-la exists

at the beginning , a wesern perspective on conway

.. very clever and memorable

but something sad too .. alwass been that about people who are promising .. something happens and all the prmosing things predicted never come true .. that's sorta the protrayl we get of conway here

he should have been prime minister of england given his promise that he had at oxford .. all the talents he had

and yet .. how does he end up .. kinda a nobody fro the western point of view

.. not really a success

wyland speaking

he's a secredtary at the embassy on page 6

"he was in the cons"

that's a real putdown .. kinda like jv compared to abassadors .. really represent the political power .

counsolor .. their job is to llok after economic interests of peoole in a foreign country

.. so this is really a put down

he never made it as a success the way he's predicted to

a lot of it is explained by wwi .. from the western point of view he could be suffering from shell shock ..

may be a lsst cause from a western point of view .. walking causalty

other interesting thing about him .. his whole demeanor , manor

page 13 ..

the reason he's not successful is not because he's incompetent .. highly competent when he has to be

very good at organing things when there was a revolution .. to evacuate british citizens ..

lack of ambition .. like he's perfectly satisfied with his position

no desire to move up the ladder of success

to our mentality .. that's viewed as kina a character flaw .. supposed to be ambitious

.. be all that we can be

and yet what hilton is trying to say .. mayb e should questin our belifes about a ife well lived.

.. its one f the things that's seen as highly positive in shangri-la

page 156 - sounds like the lama is complementing him on his passionless

to a psychologist might be seen as disassociation from reality from wwi.. and infact we aave an allusion to that

i'm this way because of what i went through

but this seen as a virtue to the high llama .. one of the characteristics that enabled conway to get an audience with the high lama

but it goes even further later on .. conway's role in shangri--la is more than what we've seen so far

perrault .. supposedly the founder of the lamasary

.. charles .. a guy who wrote fair tales

.. not unintentional

remember at the end fo the secon dto last chapter .. 154 .. 148 end of chapter 7

conway: you are still alive fr. perreault ..

but look at what happens in chapter 8 ..

expect either "you're crazy" or "yes my son"

.. but there's a silence for awhile .. no response from the high lama .. and eever in any sense says anything to respond to that queston

and when he continues to talk about fr. perroault in 3rd person .. if he wasy just trying to keep his id secret, why does he still talk in the 3rd person.

very ambiguous .. here it is .. believe it or not

actual main story begins after the proluge and we have this airplane that's highjacked

roberta brinklow

henry barnard .. american businessman .. really a fugitive because he got involved in a nebulous chrime .. got caught in the crash of '29 . when this book came out we were probably at the very trough of the depression

was a world wide depression and the way barnard talks about it later on , is that he was caught in the middle of something out of his control as well .. everyone went down .. almost anybody who was involved in something like that was doomed to failure

must have done something or he'd no have the authorities after him, but on the other hand it is ture that a lot of people were doomed to failure

Hugh Conway .. main character

Charles Mallisen .. assistant

lack of ambition .. page 21.

he had bbeen ten years in the Consular..

no taste for plumbs

different kind of a person from the standard achivever from the western point of view

plane is highjacked .. able to fly in high alititueds so can make trip to himilaiahs

eventually crash lands

somehow the pilate has a heart attach or something

next morning .. travel party

at first they think it's just a chance occurance but they were actually sent out to find these survivors

brought to shangri-la

orientation to shangri-la

.. kinda a mixture of the old and the new

. heating and bathroom fixtures .. but also oriental art and architecture that's very eastern .

combinaton of east and west / old and new

one of the key words is moderation

ledge .. what's going on in the valleyu -- tropical .. really nice climate ..

can grow all kinds of good things there

also a town down there .. ruled by the lamasary

plato's republic .. group of people .. philosopher kings .. by the time that conway shows up .. not really catholic .. was an abandoned lamasary when perault arrives .. wants to create a catholic monistary

but the monks are mostly eastern so they hhve a different colutrue and religion

so rather him influencing thee , they're infludencing hijj .. so by the tim we com upon it its a mixture of religions

so about the only thing in common .. and we don't meet very aany of them .. just chang and __

essentially what they do is they philosphize

brinkwell asks of chang: page 95./96

they devote themselves to ...

contemplating the forms, maybe . not tied to any one particular religion .. feeling that here's a variety of iifferent creeds but wisdom through contemplation.

remeber allegory of cave .. king goes out of the cave and then has to come down to rule the people .. so down below could be going into the cave

how do they rule?

hands off .. very few crimes becaus very few things are crimes

there isn't too much crime because we still are on good manners .. the worst penalty that a person can get would be bannished and its rare

government in some sense is done moderately .. allowed to live and let live (die? .. ha ha beatles!)

comon interests of human kind with moderation .. not a morally ideal society but not making a big deal of molding them

not a deomcracy .. autocracy

wouldl't understand democracy anyway

at least one tour where they actually take them down to the valley

pretty positively received .. ms brinklow is glad to see that the natives wear clothes

only other charcter that we see woman named lotsen

turns out to be an important character

when conway first meeters her she goes intot the big room and plays the harpsichord

says: nothing .. just plays for awhile and goes

so we dont' know anything about her other than that she plays the harpsichord

two lamas talking that conway sees: talking about:

pilate was one of them .. buring them right now ..

so this is the first time that he realizes that it wasn't a coincidence that there were peopooe there for the downed aircraft

and plane had actually been highjacekd for the express purpose of bringing it to the lamasary

Conway keeps that under his hat .. but we know now that he has more knowledge

ages in the lamasary 13-30

estimate of chang's age: anywhere between 49 and 149.

evidently its not clear how old these people are .. starting to get an idea that there might be something unusual going on especially with ages.

things that may contribute to longevity

.. practicing yoga, controlling breath .. slowing everything down .. plant that they use that might have some physical effect on the body

and the climate .. air is so clean and clear

all of these things are somewhat scientifically plausible

and infact there's always been sorta a feelings that there's something going on in tibet that they ahve secrets that we're not aware of.

the beatles went to india because of the idea that there has always been this mistique

inteview that conway has with the lama:

unusual .. chang is actually quite estatic that hte high lama wants to talk to conway .. in the past it's very rare anyway and usually people have to be there for years

he's only been there 2 weeks and a lot of it is what chang has reported .. change has beeen impressed with conway

misterious room

.. wants to let him in on the history .. and then we get some dates

was budhist, then it went into disrepair

.. then father perrault came

he's not eastern .. he's western .. originally from luxemburg

how did he get there?

story of sangri-la .. 135-150, perhaps

Jesuit missionary .. went out with three other people . llokig for christian communities that they thought might still exist

lloking for remnaints of historic christianity

started out in 1719

1734 arrives in shangri-la. .. 53 at the time

would have been born around 1680

when he gets there decides to make this lamasary into a catholic monistary

and he does .. brings in a lot of people but mostly locals in a different colture .. so a 20way street of influence ..

becomes a hodgepodge of religious ideas

next date: 1789 .. peroault supposedly died .. at 109 year old

1789 .. french revolution ..

dying and has a vision .. that rejuvinates him and all of a sudden he recovers.

and now has a mission in life ..

continues on this mission

and as he ages, eventuallly all of the monks that he had atracted to the place die off

by 1794 , he's the only one left in shangri-la

becomes kinda a legend to the town and the valley .. rumors about him levitationg and so on.

becomes almost super human.

he's there for nine years or so by himself

and then something happens in 1803

that's when henshall shows up

interested in gold .. he was in the nepoleonic wars (1800-1815)

this is really the vision that fr. peroualt had in 1789 .. can consider this the birth of the nepoleonic wars

in 1789, perault actually had a vision of the nepoleanic wars .. forseeing the future .. but didn't have it quite rigth .. thought that they were going to be the apocolypse

.. it was a cateclismic war but not the war to end all wars

but the fact that he though that civilazation would be destroyed that lead to his mission

. can be a repository for all of the achievements of human culture .. not just western culture .. culture of the world

.. as much as they can collect and keep there .. in an isolated place

maybe just by some chance, it'll miss changri-la .. and they'll be left to restart the human project

hensall arrives - discoveres gold there .. puts shangri-la on sound financial footing

no longer need to worry about enough wealth

be bcomes so influenced by fr. perrot that he decides to stay there

then people start to come

but once people get there .. they have to stay there.

when they get people to come , they make them stay there . that's how henshall get's killed .. tells a new group about a rule that you can't leave and they shoot him 1857 .. probably in his early 20s .. so maybe 77 to 80 when he died in 1857

conway sees picture of him .. looks like he's still 20

so that is sorta the chronology

towards the end .. ets the idea that the guy talking to him is actually fr. perroault .. who would be 250 year old!! straining our credibility here .. only so much for the things they do that extend life

when you get past that chapter, very ambiguous .. never confirms or denies it

collecting people from wandering

but they can't get new peopple since wwi 1912 .. to about 1932

so callew becomes a pilate .. highjack a plane

this incident where they high-jack the plane is the first time they actually go out ot the civilized world and take people in

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context for novel

what is the author telling us?

cautionary tale

islamic terrorists sory .. implied that that's not the true story

period of time just before the republic took hold

great deal of destablilization .. epitsode where some people gunned down the entireddgovenrment

in some ways, an episode remanisant of 9/11

what was left of the government .. suspended the constitution and ruled tings militarility in the iinterest of safety

created a police state

people with guns trying to maintain safety

actual safety measures are similar to what we did in this country iafter 9/11

what about philosophical basis?

.. evangelical christian .. theocracy

can be interpreted as a warning against the religious right

givernment here at least on the surface rules by the bible

must be an offshoot of some protestant group

rule essentially by a literal interpretation of the bible

take basic phrases out oo the bible and incorporate them into their governing

ceremony .. where handmaid lies down on commanders wiffe and the wife has sex with handmaid

comes literally from story of leah and rachel

on eof the quotations that prceeds the novel is a quotation directly from the bible .. rachel could not have her own child so she lets her maid have the child.

from Gen 30:1-3

before table of contents

child conceived with the handmaid in the knees of the wife

birthing .. two stools sotaat the wife can kind of strattle ..

so wifes baby .. so an example of a literal interprestattion of the bible that this regeme seems to be operating under

warns against a too radical religions position

what would happen if a group with radical positions (religion) would set up

but it's a satire .. so not meant to be totally realiistic .. meant to be a "follow the logical conclusions"

all of the practices that take place in this book have been down by some one somewhere some time

.. atwood actually states that in interviews

other innerpretations make this a much more layered novel than just a dystopia

also a warning here about feminism .. has to do with a rift that took place in the movement

has to do with pornography .. allusiins to porn in the book

by the time the new society has come into place, porno has taken greater presence than today

illusions to the take back the night demonstrations .. that still take place

basic idea .. women have been victimized .. a way of essentially .. for women to gain some kind of control over that situation .. stop being victims ..

clothes line project .. people wil admit the injustices and chrimes that have been purpetrated against them

scene similar to that: testifying

admission of the victimization that had taken place, but hhen this society turns its back on her and says that it's her fault

but the testifying is like the clothes line project

still exists today

what happened was this: for the most part the femenistt movement has been in favor over civil liberties

but rift over porno

on the one hand, believed in free speech .. and even though they were apalled by some of the porno out there, one part of the moevement thought no matter how bad, we have to pu up with it because its part of freedom of expression

but the other group thought that this was as direct threat .. was a position that porno leads to increase in crimes against women

.. now we're not so sure about that

certainly porno ,, even if it didn't lead to more crimes .. they belifved that it lead to a feeling in society that women are objects .. dehumanization

the femenists that become convicned that porno had to be eliminated found that the religious right was an unusual ally

.. so some say that this is a warrning to femenists .. don't want to align yourself with the religious right

.. anti femenist streak to religious right

so interpreted as a warning

one of the reasons that they are tolerant of the new society is because it gets rid of all the porno, etc

that is the price that these people had to pay

another way to read this is simply as a psychological novel .. very tunnel vision .. blinders on the habits of the handmaids .. have very little knowledge of what is going on in the society

at times it can be annoying in a way .. gee i'd like to know more .. but all youget is thiis vieww of the handmaid who knows very little

.. and she's stuck in a very terrible situation .. so this is a novel about coping

also a way of viewing this as a satire about male-female relationships

society in terms of male and female -

who has political power? men on the simplist level .. they're the only ones making decisions, only one with names

but the wives have power too .. they can decide where the handmaids go ..

aunts .. really the ones who shape the female side of society ..

they have power too ..

so evidencde is kinda ambiguous right now

but ultimatley we find that the power really rests with males

the queson becomes .. was the religious aspects believed in by the power structure or where they used to achieve a certain political power ..

so then it becomes a warning about male --female relationships .

another thing important .. story telling itself .. what is truth>

a few times "this is a reconstruction"

"this is a big lie"

real question as to how much does it affect the reaa world and how much is it only a close approx

at the moment we don't know what is the nature of this story .. how can she be tellin this story if she can't write anything down?

a lot of it told from memory .. and of course the memories from before Gilliad are obviously remembrances

so how much if it is accurate?

tenses .. talking about mother .. hoping still alive

dream is present tense

.. fells like its actually happening

interesting use of past tense .. Luke or mother .. almost always in the past tense .. except for the dreams but they're different

page 71. ard to categorize it completely

present tense .. like it's really happening right then and there

feeling you'd get if you're watching a movie

.. when you're watching the movie all things are possible .. like real life

feeling that the ending hasn't happened yet

..aadds a lot to the drama and not knowing what'll happen

in the past tense .. feeling that theeending cant' be changed .. already happened.

title - "tale" makes it sound fictional

canturbery tales

.. group of people on a religous pilgrimage

.. people teeling their life story .. tales that are told .. reflect their social status or life

well the handmaid's tale .. she's telling the story about her life

can see possible connects to the caturbery tales

Luke 1:38 - "handmaid of the lord"

.. but distorted .. the lord is not the lord, but the commander

Martha - also biblical .. martha and mary

epigraph - #2 - from johnathan swift

"but as to myself"

.. rich people should eat the poor people's babies as a delicacy

except for maybe 1/6 of the baby population

difference here .. modest proposal was for overpopulation ..

this society faces the opposite problem

this society came up with a modest proposal that they took seriously but it makes about as much sense as the overpouplation solution

.. sorta like be careful of the solutation you come up with.

last epigraph:

"in the desert this is no sign that says "thou shalt not eat stones"

.. go back to it later.

when does this take place .. where .. not really told at the beginning

hint .. we know it takes place in a college town .. we have mora and offred going to college

and we also know that' its' near boston

at one point offren trieds to contact her mother who live accres the river in boston.

.. byt then end, hints are really string that this is actually cambridge MA

red brick wall

harvard yard ..

Massachusetts ave

wall around harvard yard

havard square right underneath "welcome to harvard"

.. so the wall in the novel is the wall around harvard yard

a lot of action takes place at the library .. that's harvard library

wall's not that high .. a little poetic liscense

headquarters of the gilliad of republic are harvard .. but they've taken almost aal the education out

very few peoplle are allowed to read

very anti-intellectual regeme but thee headquarters are right on harvard campus

MA was foounded by puritans .. so interesting that this new theocracy is based here.

word in first paragraph

palimpsest - when you used to do writing on parchment, if you wanted to reuse , you had to kinda erase what was there

but it never eally erased completely

so you can see underneath it, the vestiges of the theocracy that was teere before

Time .. hard to tell when this took place

clues:

description of the 1st take back the night deomostration

find out about that at the red center.

.. illustrates how bad that was ..

offred sees her mother and remarks how young she looks .. perhaps just out of college

suppose her mother was 23 in 1978 ..

she would hve been born about 1955

mother tells you when she had offred: she was 37

then offred was born in about 1992

offred says how old she is presently .says she's 33

so takes place in 2025

but atwood was probably not doing the arithmetic

but had the idea that this would be in a not too distant time

how have things deteriorated?

declining birth rate . because of environment degredation .. either through atomic .. chemcial, polluton, etc

fertility rate down so low that population was declining

so you either accept or try some measure to solve the problem

.. this society decided on creating handmaids

.. important resource .. become the property of the people with the political power

.. a couple of cules to the male domination .early on.

Serena Joy

page 16

what the wife is doing .. even though you're here to get impragnated by my husband, keep it clear that he's my husband

it's one of the things we fought for.

society that was designed by males but the women complained .. insist that we maintain our status as wives.

other place is in the ideology that permiates the society

.. has to do with fertility

scene in the doctor's office.

page 61 - most of those old guys are steril ..

even the philosophical underpinnings of society are intended to blame women .. nd say that the men are not to blame wwhen in reality the serility probably goes accross both genders

based on tammy faye bakker

with him bakker

ptl club

kinda comical in a sense .. not intentially so

tammy faye .. used to sing on it ..

always cry about something .. and the maskera would run down her cheeks

page 45 - tears that they could produce at will

jim bakker eventually got arrested for stealing money .

also patterned after phyllis schlafly

- opponent of the equal rights ammendment

.. thought htat a woman's place was in the home

started out as religious singer and then got in