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"...the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was... and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born."
"The word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
Council of the "gods"
Council of the "gods"
Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”
Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
"And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell; And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them"
"And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever."
Gods took counsel among themselves, Abr. 4:26
"...angels which kept not their first estate"
Why? For what Purpose?
Why? For what Purpose?
This is NOT a creation designed for suffering. satan & his demons added pain/suffering AFTER the Fall, when Adam/Eve had become subject to him/them.
25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.
26 And the Messiah cometh in the fulness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall. And because that they are redeemed from the fall they have become free forever, knowing good from evil; to act for themselves and not to be acted upon, save it be by the punishment of the law at the great and last day, according to the commandments which God hath given.
27 Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.
Scriptures that support a "pre-existance"
Scriptures that support a "pre-existance"
...who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind (ability to sin before birth)
...who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind (ability to sin before birth)
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world..
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world..
Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, Rev. 12:7
[Enoch] beheld the spirits that God had created, Moses 6:36
God of the spirits of all flesh, Num. 16:22 (27:16)
Ye are the children of the Lord your God, Deut. 14:1
all the sons of God shouted for joy, Job 38:7
Ye are gods … children of the most High, Ps. 82:6
Ye are the sons of the living God, Hosea 1:10.
Have we not all one father, Mal. 2:10
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, Matt. 5:48
Our Father which art in heaven, Matt. 6:9
we are the offspring of God, Acts 17:29
we are the children of God, Rom. 8:16
One God and Father of all, Eph. 4:6
in subjection unto the Father of spirits, Heb. 12:9
before they were born … received their first lessons, D&C 138:56
I made the world, and men before they were in the flesh, Moses 6:51
Scriptures that say Prophets KNEW this...
Scriptures that say Prophets KNEW this...
Thus I, Abraham, talked with the Lord, face to face, as one man talketh with another;
Moses called upon God, saying: Tell me, I pray thee, why these things are so, and by what thou madest them? And behold, the glory of the Lord was upon Moses, so that Moses stood in the presence of God, and talked with him face to face. And the Lord God said unto Moses: For mine own purpose have I made these things. Here is wisdom and it remaineth in me. And by the word of my power, have I created them, which is mine Only Begotten Son, who is full of grace and truth.
And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten. And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many. But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you. For behold, there are many worlds... behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.
"And it came to pass that Moses spake unto the Lord, saying: Be merciful unto thy servant, O God, and tell me concerning this earth, and the inhabitants thereof... it came to pass that Moses looked, and beheld the world upon which he was created; and Moses beheld the world and the ends thereof, and all the children of men which are, and which were created... he beheld also the inhabitants thereof, and there was not a soul which he beheld not; and he discerned them by the Spirit of God..."
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