Lay features as the cover story of issue #397 March 2019 of Grazia China.
As an extreme idealist who is extremely wide awake, Yixing chats about how he is being his real self, answers some Q&As, and reveals his wish for 2019.
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Translation: eternallyixing (Reposted with permission)
On this day of the interview, Zhang Yixing sits on and leans toward one side of the sofa, he has on a simple white tee, black pants and sneakers, he’s in a relaxed state. He has a calm appearance yet it doesn’t conceal his inner waves - he hopes to get on the Grammy’s stage one day, but he sees himself “still being very far away from the Grammy’s”. This is an idealist who’s wide awake, he says: “In a life where there’s a limit, climb to the highest point you can climb to and that will suffice.”
Before meeting Zhang Yixing, booming and banging that comes from the waiting room are already heard first, the rumour (that he) “makes music anytime and anywhere” isn’t false. When it’s time for the interview, his hair and make-up are done and he quietly sits on the sofa, the “individualism” or “Zhang PD” modes on stage are nowhere to be found on him at once, he seems gentle, focused, rather humorous once he gets into the conversation. Today is the Lantern festival, but to him, there are no holidays at all - (he) went home for spring festival, in the end, “I was sick 3 out of 4 days, couldn’t even get up, didn’t go for my family’s meal gathering at all. I only properly ate a meal on the 4th day when I was leaving, I finished everything, my mom cooked it, I was touched that my tears flowed down.” And the original plan was to immediately fly to the USA to participate in a song camp. After his break, Zhang Yixing went to what he regards as “dream stage”, the Grammy Awards, within the 6-7 days after the Grammy awards ceremony, most of his time is spent in the red house (Millenium Dance Complex) where he learns how to dance, “I felt like, wow, this is how the teachers overseas dance. There are still a lot of gaps between me and them, I can still be better, I hope I can continuously refresh my own ideas, see more of the world outside.”
Using his fingers to count, Zhang Yixing rested for a total of 8 days in 2018, he described how he brought his speakers, laptop and keyboard and “made a home at the four seas”. The staff said he practically didn’t have a life, “but he didn’t feel like it wasn’t normal”. Zhang Yixing feels “singing the songs you like, dancing the moves you like, is a great joy in life”. Regarding recognition from others, he has a type of obsession, this makes him constantly strongly feel time isn’t enough and constantly feel unsatisfied with himself. There is a ship travelling in the sky inside the MV of his new song <NAMANANA>, it symbolises as time flies, he stares at that ship and reveals a worried expression.
In the variety show <Idol producer> last year, Zhang Yixing told the participants that he used to practice from day till night in order to get a chance to debut, even his every meal only was 5 minutes. “Even if I want to slack today, I definitely will make up for it by 2 times tomorrow”. The waist injury caused by practising almost caused him not to make it for the debut stage, various injuries accompany him even till today. The system before debut was extremely cruel, the Zhang Yixing whose looks were ranked ‘C grade’ (there was a total of 4 grades, ABCD) told the people around him after that the people ranked after him during the evaluation were very few. “In his world, he hopes to use capabilities to speak for himself. He isn’t sharp, isn’t bright, but he has his own determination and also believes this method.” a staff expresses.
Huang Lei warned him earlier, “Don’t throw away precious things and be left with only hard work.” “Working hard is something I must do.” Zhang Yixing hugs his arm, his facial expression is serious. “The market updates very fast, newcomers emerge one after another, you want recognition, you don’t want to be eliminated, actually it’s very hard, but if you want to keep a place for yourself and you’re able to accept the heavy hits the era gives you, you have to work hard, if not, you’ll fall behind.”
The results of “hard work” are apparent. The producer role he took up last October for his 3rd album <NAMANANA> broke many local music platforms’ record in the fastest speed, on an international scale, it topped 16 countries’ and regions’ iTunes chart within 1 hour of its release, it was also 1st on Billboard’s World Albums for 2 continuous weeks and it was 21st on Billboard 200, this is the best result for a Chinese singer. (Is this result what you expected?) “It’s a kind of affirmation, but it doesn’t mean I really got recognition from the USA market, I still need to continue practising, interact more with outstanding musicians as well as understand their culture and hope they know there is a Zhang Yixing, Lay Zhang in Asia that is tired and dirty, haha. I hope they’ll be able to hear the music of a Chinese.”
[Lèi (累) = tired and Lay sound the same]
[Zhāng (张) = Yixing’s surname and Zàng (脏) = dirty, sound the same]
<NAMANANA> did not dispel his self-doubt, “I don’t know how to connect with the market”. He advanced into the USA last November and “debuted” in the USA as a rookie, on one hand, “I want to break out of my comfort zone,” on another hand, “I feel I’ve gotten some recognition locally but I don’t know how to measure the results of my every work, and how to be considered an outstanding musician, I can only venture out to overseas and accept the entire world’s inspection.” He proposed an M-Pop (Mix Mandarin Pop) concept, “Language is key. If I can merge Chinese lyrics and other different languages to realise global music, it will be an extremely good trend.” He is also planning to hold an M-Pop music festival. In his conversation with economist Xue Zhao Feng last year-end, the other party said M-Pop is unable to please everyone. “You can’t go against the market, you have to find the Balance in the middle.” He found a demo on his phone. “I’ve recently written some huge golden songs (general term for trendy songs that are widely sung), do you want to hear them?” the music is soothing R&B, “I won’t choose to songs that are especially hyped or avant-garde. I feel they must correspond with the mass’ general hearing feel.” Zhang Yixing says he can’t reject the labels ‘traffic star’ (idols with very huge popularity and a lot of fans) or ‘idol singer’. “Those are what people know you as, but it doesn’t mean that just because you’re an idol singer you definitely do not have capabilities.”
In <The Island> last year, the Ma Xiao Xing that Zhang Yixing acted as had many breakthroughs from appearance to acting skills, Gao Xiao Song (current Chairman of Alibaba Entertainment Strategic Committee, co-founder of Alibaba Music Group) said “I couldn’t recognise him (that it was Yixing acting as Xiao Xing), his ‘rice bowl’ (career) is basically stable. Acting as Zhu Qizhen in the new drama <Empress of the Ming>, he requested for a moustache for himself, “I told the director since I’ve already gone to the Mongolia Prairie, I have to have a breakthrough in my image, my look this time is topsy-turvy style, it’s so ugly that I don’t want to see it. Anyway, when I watch the drama clips, I realised I don’t know this person, don’t tell me he is Zhang Yixing, haha.”
The staff thinks this is a “dose of strong medicine”. On <Roast>, his past words and actions, his so-called “public image”, even his hard work, his music all became things to roast him for, he wasn’t bad in responding to them, but his condition off stage was slightly “drifting”. “It’s like that, when that part you don’t want to hear is said to your face, you really can’t keep on smiling throughout. It is indeed awkward, Dan-ge (Li Dan) said, QQ music does not only have nice music but it also has Zhang Yixing’s music, this … (laughs) they said my expression fell or my mood was sour, actually, I was constantly thinking of how to respond. For example, any teacher who roasts me is a fact, or maybe that’s the way he interprets it?” After recording, he gets on the car and comforts the staff, “Don’t worry, I’m not angry, it’s fine.” Upon mentioning the main members of the show, “The area I want to learn from them is how to not really care about what others say. As long as you haven’t done anything wrong.
After celebrating Chinese New Year, Zhang Yixing suddenly had a feeling of his “vessels opening up”, his mentality became much more relaxed. “Some time ago I kept on thinking, what’s up with everyone? But recently I’ve slowly understood it, maybe they’ve found a channel for them to vent and that channel happens to be me.” Did these voices bring about any disturbances? “How is it possible…….” He sits up straight on the sofa, laughs with a slight hint of self-deprecation, “How is it possible that there aren’t any disturbances? I slowly understood that our job is like that, it’s a social currency that everyone talks about.” “Seeing the comments online, I started to find them funny. I feel like, ay, everyone interprets things in different ways. Sometimes I find what they say quite reasonable.” He said he was once “young and frivolous”, but he doesn’t regret what he said before, “those were the emotions I felt then, the thoughts I had then, it’s that kind of emotion that drives me to continue to be in this job. Very sincere.” “The stumbles I’ve had throughout this journey, including the different voices, everything coming together becomes who I am today, I’m unable to judge what is right or wrong in those experiences, but the lack of any element at all won’t do.”
“Working hard means you’ll have a chance, if you’re not even willing to work hard, then you won’t even have a chance in future. You choose whether you want that chance or not. I can go home and retire now, but that’s not my intention, my goal is still far, I aspire to climb to the peak of the mountain and at the same time I’m prepared to drop to rock bottom. But an extremely good thing about life is that it gives you a limitless amount of chances to ‘revive’. After you fall, brush off the dust, adjust your mentality and continue climbing, this is very good.” Outside of making music, Zhang Yixing is subscribed to the column of an economist, he makes use of every bit of time to read and he practises English hard as he hopes to upgrade himself in every aspect. “The important thing is to find life’s high point (positivity), I think I’ve basically found my high point.” He reveals a beautiful smile.
Q: When do you get the most inspiration in a day?
Yixing: It depends on the situation, depends on luck.
Q: Your condition when you’re writing songs?
Yixing: I’ll be hugging my laptop alone…… confused, I don’t know how it’ll turn out.
Q: What preparations did you do for your USA debut?
Yixing: I learned English, memorised words. But there wasn’t an environment (to practise speaking), I still can’t achieve perfect grammar during interviews. I also found out more and understood the local environment, culture, their likes etc. Of course, I didn’t want to follow the trend too much, that way I would lose my own characteristics, so why did I release <NAMANANA>? Because it should be counted as world music, M-Pop, Mix a bit more, it has a lot of special features of different places.
Q: Which style of music do you like better?
Yixing: The emotion that every style of music is able to give is different. NAMANANA is very suitable to listen to in the morning when the sun has just risen, at 9 am on the way to work. It’s a very positive and happy song. (MV is also very cool) Isn’t it? It’s worth every penny of it.
Q: Zhang PD and Little sheep, which is closer to the real you?
Yixing: Everyone seems to have a little misunderstanding about little sheep, sheep are very fierce (laughs). Actually, they’re both not quite like me. I also don’t like to criticise others. But when you sit in that place you have to say something. Participating in <Youth With You>, I hope every participant will know what he wants. It’s like everyone thinks it’s too easy to be an idol singer, maybe it’s because I had a harder time being it, that’s why I’m using my own standards to request from them.
Q: Your stage is pretty stable.
Yixing: Actually it’s not, actually I’m flustered inside (laughs), I feel like I’m not that capable? It’s like when I went on <Rave Now> back then, my thinking was very simple, it’s just making music right? Immediately, 3 sets, laptop, speakers and other equipment. I also wanted to show my producing and arranging abilities, in the end, there were so many masters who were more amazing than I am.
Q: You have so much work and you’re so tired, do you want to give yourself more personal space?
Yixing: Ay, no need, I won’t be able to stop (working) even during my personal time. You see the last time I just packed and went on a whim, I went to the USA and still endeed up making music.
Q: Actually the commonality of creating also needs to draw some nutrients and inspiration from life.
Yixing: Yes yes yes, keeping up with the times. So there may be more of this kind of “going on a whim”, to go and understand what music is like in other places.
Q: Let’s talk about acting, you’ve worked with many great actors, what have you gained?
Yixing: I want to especially thank Hong Lei ge’s and Bo ge’s for training my acting skills. Especially in <The Island>, (my acting skills) were tweaked by Bo ge little by little. This movie also made me really understand what “Creation of a film” is. I hope I can be the male lead in Bo ge’s 2nd self-directed work. We’ve already made an agreement on this.
Q: Did he agree?
Yixing: Hahahaha, he probably won’t decide so rashly.
Q: Did you NG a lot when filming <The Island>?
Yixing: Bao Qiang ge and I crack up easily, then Bo ge will start to be anxious, we have to film during the day. The whole set will be very angry, I will also be very angry, but we just can’t bear down (the laughter) haha. That day. Bao Qiang ge was especially serious when acting, but he suddenly laughed, then Bo ge also laughed, he saw that I laughed and said “you little brat”.
Q: Hard work is a trait that is always apparent on you.
Yixing: It’s what I must do, people live a lifetime, lying down for one day is also living, working hard at work every day is also living. I’ve read in one book that society doesn’t demand everyone to have a persona or label, we do something only because we want to prove our own existence. I’ve also read this sentence: “Every philosopher is a failure, I don’t know if I’m a failure or not but I do yearn a little to be a philosopher.”
Q: Are you satisfied with who you are today?
Yixing: I don’t know, I can’t see the results.
Q: Right now?
Yixing: I’m happy right now. I’m very grateful for everything I have, I’ve learned to enjoy life when I’m under great stress.
Q: What do you do when you’re feeling down?
Yixing: Good question (laughs) Actually I won’t be especially downcast, I just don’t look (at the comments). (Will you look for your friends to confide in?) No, I digest it myself.
Q: Are the buddies who you currently hang out with inside or outside (the entertainment industry)?
Yixing: I’m still with the brothers from Changsha who I met during my time as a student, they have sons, are married or are collecting my gift money. They either have opened their own companies or are teachers, there are areas they’re good in. We learn from one another and we even still sleep together like we did when we were little.
Q: Are you being urged to get married at home/by your family?
Yixing: Maybe they think I have everything but actually, I don’t, haha.
Q: Do you have any skincare or work out habits?
Yixing: I’m always working out and controlling what I eat. I’m always taking care of my skin but even after doing so I still get pimples.
Q: It was mentioned that you don’t like your own face in a previous interview, how about now?
Yixing: This is a process, I love it now, I’m madly in love (with it).
Q: As a Libra, are you narcissistic in private?
Yixing: I have a deep love for all good things (What are you satisfied with for your physical appearance?) Everything is so-so, (my) functional muscles are especially impressive.
Q: What’s your wish for 2019?
Yixing: World peace. (For yourself?) Open up the music market in USA. I hope I can continue displaying my individualism on stage, the person I am off stage, the me who has been shaped by all these years of experience, be polite when I should be polite, be humble when I should be humble, be sensible when I should be sensible…… and do my concert well.