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Capitalism doesn't just alienate you from the means of production. It also and and your work. It also alienates you from an inherent belief in yourself as someone who is productive, independent of a of a monetary value. I think that that's such an important thing to keep in mind as an arts educator, but also just in general that like, this capitalism thing is telling us that we can't whether that thing be, like, living your most beautiful life in this way or this way or this way. But we can if we organize and we make it happen. Welcome to Left On Red, where a Gen X mom and gay millennial do socialism.
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We've got left wing views on news you can use. I'm Scott. I'm Susan. And I'm Noah. Amazing about our producer in the studio talking with us today. We're really excited to have Noah as a guest.
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Noah tell us a little bit about yourself. Well, my name is Noah. I'm I'm always here when y'all record, but usually people can't hear me unless I've done something wrong, and then you can hear my voice in the background. But, yeah, I'm I'm the I'm the ghost in the corner taking notes on everything that you say So No. It's the reason why we sound good, so thank you so much. And also the reason if you ever sound bad.
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So, you know, direct all hate mail to me. Yeah. At left on red n y c at gmail dot com. Please rate and subscribe for Noah's performance this in every episode. Right? You can do that separately if you want. I'd I'm I'd probably have a Yelp page somewhere that I don't know about.
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You'd feel free right in. Yeah. I made it. It's a hate page. If you ever wanna go join, like, a Facebook group to, like, hate on a person, give me a call. We'll make it together with so many freaking talents, millennial talents. Yes. Waiting on critical mass to start that page up. Most people most people don't care too much, I guess. Yeah.
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So we're really excited to have Noah here in part because as with all of our guests, he is a member of the Democratic socialist of America. And always has a very interesting little story in terms of how it came to socialism and the DSA. I find that Everybody I talked to seems to have a unique and interesting story. Very few people have like the same either general story or even beats. It's always like some stuff is in common and some stuff is always super different. So we'd love to hear yours. Not. And what's your come to socialism moment? Sure. Yeah. Well, I I think I've been a socialist for much longer than I've been a a paper member of DSA.
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I mean, I think anybody who, like, does a little bit of reading as a as a kid while also being poor, like, realizes like, wait, as a public school teacher and, you know, someone who was in school to become a teacher and that sort of thing. I looked around and saw that, you know, pretty much everybody I was associating with if they weren't aware that they were socialist, were were still probably socialist, you know, if they really took a moment to interrogate it, and I think you know, especially as income disparity grows starker and starker, the more we look around and and talk to each other the more we realize, like, yeah, we're all pretty much socialist whether whether or not we realize it. There is like a concept Maybe you know it, Susan. Maybe you know it. No. Of, like, I forget what it's called, but where capitalism makes it so that you don't see capitalism. Like, you don't think about it. Because it it was really interesting how you're talking about how everyone was a socialist. They just don't know it yet. And it's like, okay. It's not like people are walking around imagining that they're capitalists either. Right? Some people do though, not that they're capitalists. Sure. Incorrectly by the way. They don't they don't own the means of reduction, but they're like, I want to make some money. So they're like, you know, but I'm a capitalist. Facebook hate groups for them too. Right?
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My my friend, Jeff, at one point, another teacher, I hope he doesn't mind me shouting him out. But, yeah, at one point, he was talking to somebody who, I guess, is one of these, like, misguided Libertarians who which is I'm sorry. That's redundant. Anybody who's a libertarian is misguided. But he he was talking to this person and they were like, well, you have what? I'm a capitalist. And he was like, I'm sorry. Do you have capital? Like, what are you living on When out your factory, Yeah. Show me show me your your money that is making more money.
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So you've just reminded me of the term. It's called capitalist realism. Which I only found out because there was a tweet about it. And I was like, is that what that means? But it's this idea that people in capitalism don't see capitalism or just think that capitalism is the default. It's the end all be all. The way our society currently works is the way it's meant to work and the way it'll always work. And, you know, another shout out to mister Francis Fukuyama. I'm gonna read that a quote. You love Francis Fuki almost. I do. I do. I'm gonna read the book, the end of history in the last band. But so it it's all, like, all bound up in that.
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And I am curious now, so you're saying now that you and so many other people were socials, but you didn't know it yet. What was the moment where one, you kind of made like the actual connection like I am seeing the world I live in, I believe in a different world. And you took a concrete step to do something about it by joining DSA. Well, that's a This is a two step process. Process. So I'll go back a little bit further.
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So I was in high school. I was a junior in high school and taking an AP environmental studies or science I'm not sure which one it was, but aapes and aapes class, a p e s. And we learned about how Sorry. We didn't properly laugh at apes class. I think I took the Environmental Studies class. In college. Yeah. That's a standard thing. Yeah. I didn't take any APE classes. Sorry. Yeah.
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So we were we were in this class and I think, like, pretty early in the class we learned that in order for everybody in the world to eat the diet of an American, which is, like, typical, you know, on average a very meat heavy diet, meat being this, like, incredibly environmentally intensive product to create, you would need more than I think it was, like, two point five earths. It's probably, like, three or four earths at this point, consumption practices being what they are in this, like, logistic curve graph. But the when I realized that was the case, I was like, well, Okay. So it doesn't make any sense to eat me. Like rationally, that's a that's like a a silly thing to do.
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So I became a vegetarian my junior year high school as like this, like, very, you know, the audience can't see this, but I'm like a very tall large person. And so and, you know, I was in the south, I grew up in North Carolina. So that was a a radical step to take. And my parents were like, You're you're a what? Alright. And, you know, I I I shouldn't throw too much shade their way because, like, my my mother was a vegetarian before I was born and you know, my father ate a vegetarian diet for a while too. So they they were, you know, not at the outset sympathetic, but like, they had that sympathy in them somewhere. But anyway like that, you still have to come out as a vegetarian. Right. Still have to eat fresh stock. I don't sit down. Exactly. Yeah.
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So so starting to to realize that, like, steps needed to be taken in order to keep the world this livable place for people. And, you know, that's not exactly switch to socialism or like coming out as a socialist type situation, but it was like the beginning of of a series of events in my development as a person where I realize, like, oh, this is this is wrong. I need to do something about this. Oh, that too. That's also wrong. And also, like, why does my dad work as much as any of my peers' dads? But, like, we're still super poor. Like, why is that the case? Like, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, and then eventually I read some a summary of Marxist work and then eventually and actually love summer. Yeah. We love to summer we love other people's work because we're higher up, you know. Right. So Right. Right. I had I had one of my one of my subordinate send me a bulleted list of of of Mark's talking points. And so then yeah. So then over eventually, all the pieces kind of fell together to where it made sense. I'm actually a socialist. Don't remember when it happened, but it happened at something. Oh, we love to hear it.
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I love that your journey sort of started with or heavily involved vegetarianism and kind of like, this is a concept we should explain on an episode one day because it causes a lot of people a great deal agenda, but it's called de growth. And it's this idea that the earth cannot currently sustain current production and consumption levels, either for the environment or for the global economy. It's a very exploitative economy. It involves an incredible amount of very abusive production all over the world. We can't sustain it. We certainly can't grow it. And in fact, we need to shrink some of it. I have But it's it's easy to end up taking that to, like, an individual outcome, like, I will then consume less.
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And it's not that that choice is a bad thing. Like, you know, we think that individuals making choice of other consumption is not something that is we wanna condemn or discourage at all, but rather that that is just one thing you do with individual. And if it's not being done with others, it is just an individual sacrifice. Maybe it makes you feel good about yourself, and that's that's also important as well. But it's organizing with other people is a second step that you also want to jump to. And it's like, if it starts out as an individual consumption thing, and it leads to that realization. I think that that's great. Yeah.
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I I think for an embarrassingly long time, I was really focused on my individual choices and and didn't really you know, I I knew that there was a need for more people to be involved in this collective struggle to save our save our niche in the planet as people, you know, that because, I mean, We talk about environmental destruction and that sort of thing, but, like, the ecology is going to continue to exist long past humans. You know, like, the the planet will exist. It'll be different. But, like, if you sort of, like, take a step back and don't bring the the sort of, like, values judgment of someone situated within humanity and see it in the bigger picture. Like, the humans are, you know, sort of making the plan at a place where we can't live, but something will certainly continue to live here, it'll just be sort of, like, adapted in geologic time to a planet that we have drastically altered. Right.
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Cockroaches for sure. Yeah. They're gonna Viruses. Yeah. Cockroaches are watching the, you know, the news come out from the IPCC and they're like, hell yeah. Let's let's go.
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These these folks who don't want us in their apartment and keep putting out this like tasty poison that causes us to kill our entire hives, like, they're on their way out it the the day of the cockroach is quickly approaching. That's such a latest a twenty four horror movie. I feel good for the cockroaches now. I'm happy for them. No need to feel embarrassed for how long you felt individual choices were most important. I feel like anything that I have done before the age of twenty five, I'd like to forget. It doesn't matter. And so I feel like for anyone, it just doesn't count. Wipes lien that clip. Wipe to clean, that slate clean that clean.
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But we just wanna make sure that that sentiment doesn't turn people into Ted Kucinski's aka the unabomber. That might be a reference some people are too young for. But, you know, he started out with similar conclusions, but then took it to an outcome that we don't like. We want to still see humanity as valuable and, like, you know, recognize our inherent worth and our right to fight for the beautiful lives for everybody even though the people with power don't agree with us. Right. That that gets into the second part of the question. No. Which is, like, when did you start doing the collective organizing? When did you join the Democratic Associates of America? Yeah. So that was that was sort of at the end of my period of time when I was really just thinking about my own individual actions and this like ecopurritanical kind of like approach.
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Because it You're so mad because it's Right. I'd I'd to be clear, if you see some photos of him, he was handsome. So where where, you know, good for Ted to just be in your hair. I know. It's I might think you're the wrong person. I think I've seen some Ted Bundy. No. I think I saw an early photo of Ted Kucinski. And I was like, okay. Alright. Two other moms, the beauty of men. In a way that I can never see. So which makes me question my heterosexuality. Oh, at any rate. So I'm an Astoria resident. I a transplant. I've lived here since twenty eighteen. I've, like, been hanging around the story since, like, twenty sixteen.
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Just right before the pandemic started, there was this meeting at the at this place on Hoyt or Astoria Boulevard for the stop NRG thing. Uh-huh. And I saw I guess I saw a poster for it somewhere. And so I went to that meeting. I was aware of DSA because I had been, you know, a a bernie supporter in twenty sixteen and an AOC supporter in twenty one Twenty eighteen. Yeah. Yeah. So I I knew DSA, I hadn't gotten sort of involved with it yet. But DSA and interested parties organized this info session on stopping NRG in twenty twenty. I got my name on some lists, I guess, and folks I think you might have reached out, Stelianos. And, you know, around that time, everything was shutting down. So there were Zoom meetings. I started going to Zoom meetings for the Queen's EcoSosh group.
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And we, like, came up with an idea to put together a video to to try and, like, reach out and stop the NRG plant from being built. And so I was, like, working on stuff with other people. I was making music to to work on stuff, which is anytime I can be working on making something for people to listen to, whether it's a podcast or a, you know, making an original score for a video. That doesn't feel like work to me, so I can just like work, you know, work in quotation marks for forever, and I'm happy to do that, which is why I'm the the worst paid, you know, like, music and podcast. All the beautiful music associated with this podcast is known as original work, by the way. So go ahead and like and subscribe that stuff too. Or send in the hate mail, whatever. It's it's all good. I'm I'm happy to work on it. So so that that's sort of how I got started with that.
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And I kind of fell off the map a little bit when we went back to school because I was, you know, teaching public school at the time. And I haven't done as much work, but, you know, here I am back doing some DSA not officially DSA sanctioned work, but it's still trying to get a little practice in. God. D s h a, Jason. I love that you're I mean, I love so many things about that story.
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One, that that was something that I and many others had organized. I brought you in. We'd love to hear it. I am always agonizing over whether or not we are actually organizing new people into the movement, so it's so good to hear that the NRG campaign For those of you listening, we stopped one of the largest most powerful energy companies from building a new frac gas power plant right here in Astoria, thanks to the great organizing of the Democratic socialist of America and several of our friends and allies. I'm so glad that brought you in. I'm so glad that you responded to one of my many text messages. If you are in the climate orbit in Queens, you have a text for me somewhere saying, hey, it's Tylianos from the Democratic Association of America. I'd love for you to come to this event, and you probably have ignored me. And, you know, no heart feelings or anything. No heart feelings. His phone was ever phone numbers everywhere though. Yeah. But that's so good to hear.
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What I really like about this is that it's just a great example about how everyone can organize in their own way with their own drink. So very few people are, like, still be honest. Like, just a natural extrovert who doesn't mind sending his phone number to hundreds of people loves to speak in front of others. Right? That's his particular set of strengths and talents. Right? So Noah is like an amazing audio music person and he's using that to build the movement and help organize it. And it's not skills that a lot of people have but they're very valuable in these context, and we love them. And we're so happy that you're able to use your talents and that it, quote, doesn't feel like work. That's that's amazing. Yeah.
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As a lobbyist, this doesn't feel like work for me. Professor, I don't think it feels like work for Susan. Talking. Yeah. This is nothing. Yeah. And I I don't know if this comes through to the audience right now, especially because I'm gonna edit the hell out of this.
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But, like, the idea of sitting and talking about stuff for a while is one of the, like, least pleasant ideas. For me, I'm so much happier to sort of, like, be off in the background and and taking notes and in editing at a computer with nobody around. Like I did not think that's where you were gonna take it. I thought you were gonna be like, oh, I loved sit and talk. I would love to do that by the way. I mean, you're a teacher too. Right? So you do a lot talking for children, students. Yeah. Well, I mean, so there is sort of a persona that and I guess maybe I'm putting on that persona a little bit right now to where where it's possible to to talk and engage with people.
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And I but the thing is, I was so bad at the tabling and organize like, the the organizing stuff because I and maybe this is because of where I grew up. Like, being in the south, you, like, really don't want to I maybe that's not true. I don't know. I always felt like I was trying to take up as little space as possible and be as quiet and unobtrusive as possible. So these skills to, like, come up to someone on the street and be, like, I'm gonna take some of your time now is, like, Oh, no. Oh, no. Please don't make me. Oh, yeah.
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Here in New York, we found that people actually sometimes they're gonna tell you exactly what they think about you. But other times, they're gonna be they're actually really grateful because -- Right. -- as we've talked about in earlier episodes, there's a lot of alienation, a lot of lack of hope. And so having still Janos, myself, another DSA organizer, like, jump in your face on a Sunday afternoon. Sometimes that's what you need to feel like, maybe there is a little bit of hope. Right? People always thank us. They're like, thank you for doing this. Thanks for talking to me about this. I'm so glad. And I'm like, I had your idea. Say. Yeah. And they He's like a he's like a pull string toy where you pull the string inside. Join DSA. Yeah. It's at the end. There's a joined DSA always. Yeah. If that's what I leave as my legacy that I'm the string that says join DSA. That's I would be so happy Also, Noah, I feel like what you just said is maybe a result of being tall because literally when I was a child and I started growing up and I hit a growth spurt a lot earlier than other kids.
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I'm not tall. I'm five foot ten, but I I But you were tall at one point. Yeah. Meurship. You're tall as person in my circle for a long time when I was young, and I was very hairy, and I was very wide. And you know, as a young child, I was like, I stood I stood out. And I hated the idea of taking up space or being perceived. And I always tried to make myself smaller. And I've very grateful in many ways to DSA for like helping me change a lot of my perspective of like, yes, not only do I need to take up space, but it's a good thing.
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The people I'm talking to want to be organized literally everything you just said, Susan, people aren't like sitting around, getting hurt by you reaching out to them, trying to organize them. Right. They want you to talk to them. They want that human connection. They want to be organized. They want that political thing to happen in their lives. And they just don't have the time or wherewithal or maybe they just want to, but they forgot. To look something up. And so you are actually providing a service. You are doing something good for others when you organize that.
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And still, Johannes, is now hairier than ever. So he's got more hair now. And so, you know, DSA is not just DSA. It's not just about DSA size. Area of personal growth. Right? I was also hairy and big for my context. So, you know, I'm like I'm like the hairiest Korean girl in New Jersey. And then my father took a twenty three and me and found out that we're a little bit central Asian, so maybe that's where the hair comes from.
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I love this is the big and hairy podcast. I hope you're enjoying. Big hairy and greasy and queen. If if you thought that left on red had a lot of copycat podcasts, big and hairy is definitely like, we we could look it up, but I'm sure we would we would capture almost no market share. You know you know, I'll I'll put my hat in the ring. I'll I'll I'll make it a tad. Bigger hairy. Bigger hairy and greasy. So it's for literally from greasy.
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I know you really wanna talk about art and consumption, and I love consuming things. We're talking about that more on a later date. Yeah. That could be a multi episode of Art. But we're talking, you know, you're you're mentioning about eating meat. I was like, oh, wow. No. I don't know. I'm about no shit. Not a sea guy to you. I'm not making that healthy choice for the environment. There's no individual choices here. But yeah, let's let's hear about it.
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What's your take on art and consumption and say it in better fancier words than I am saying? Well, I I think the when when you sort of invited me to say a little bit about myself earlier, like, if if I were to say what I do, it would be a very long list of hats that I wear, none of which, like, really pay my bills. The thing that I do every day to pay my bills is a job that I feel like somewhat alienated from. Like, I I there are glimmers of of opportunities to do work that I feel is meaningful that I would that I would be doing in a, like, a post money society where everybody gets to, like, contribute to society in a a a way that feels meaningful. But for the most part, I'm pretty alienated from it.
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But the stuff that I do outside of work, like this podcast, like making music for for the DSA campaigns or making music for my own you know, enjoyment and for sharing with people and that sort of thing. It's all stuff that doesn't pay any money really, which is if that won't radicalize you, then I don't know what will because it's all stuff that feels good. Like, doing all this stuff that that and not just good in sort of like a short term like, candy kind of way. Like, this is the stuff that, like, really feeds a soul and it and it doesn't pay for most people who engage in it, you know, the the number of people who are able to make a living strictly in music. And and music that they feel connected to is like an incredibly small proportion compared to the number of people who get enjoyment out of music, making or consuming.
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So, you know, part of why I got interested in becoming a teacher in the first place was the realization that, like, this has been a very important thing for me throughout my life. And it's something that I got through a public education. So I wanna, like, pay back into that public education so that I can create an environment in which other people like me can get the access to the skills to have an enjoyable and meaningful experience with music. And with making stuff and and with being a a creator and not just a consumer because so much of of society is sort of like oriented at telling us to consume and don't bother creating. You know, there's there's that won't get you anywhere. Just just consume. Just take it all in and pay money to consume.
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I feel like there's sort of a corollary to that, which is that capitalism wants to tell you that your art is not worthwhile? Meaningless. Worthless. Exactly. Unless you are able to make a lot of money off of it and it's like very, very good. Right? So -- Right. -- the only people who get to make art and not be judged for the outcomes is, like, little kids. Right. Right. So little kids get to make art. And that's, like, I'm always trying to encourage my kids to draw and to dance and to make music. Because it is part of what makes life worth living, right, is enjoying, making art. And they can and, you know, but they're already starting to get old enough that they're judging themselves. By like, okay, but a really good rock or draw or a really good musician would do X, Y, and Z. And I'm like, it's not about other people. It's about you would join the process because we're talking about like sugar.
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We did talk about in the last episode how people's values went up around money, but that Shift in values actually makes people unhappy. Right. Right? Working towards making more money, like all the research shows doesn't necessarily lead to greater life satisfaction. Having the income can make you happier, be sure to worry about things like a roof over your head, but the relentless pursuit of, like, more and more money and more and more achievement doesn't make you happy the way that community art, like self expression and like a sense of your own authenticity and your own humanity does. Which I think gets lost, like, under capitalism, you're merely reduced to, like, a balance sheet, like, what kind of things can you produce? Like, what can you fetch in the marketplace? Yeah. This is a great perspective for me to hear from both of you because I admit I am very much of that latter perspective, not just like in the marketplace.
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But I feel like anything that I create must have some form of result. Even this podcast is not just like we're creating something we're having a good time and we're putting our ideas out there, but I'm thinking, okay, how many people are we listening? Are we turning people into DSA members through this podcast? I teach all your friends to listen so that I can give Gianliano's good reports on the listen. Yeah. Always be applying metro Yes. Yes. But I I'm always like seeking out results. And so it's refreshing and probably very true to imagine, okay, you can just create something because you want to. Like, it's so funny.
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I made a puzzle with my boyfriend a few months ago, and I really wanted to frame it in part because I thought the act of putting that puzzle together and making it would have been worthless unless I turned it into something I could then use later. So maybe I have some capitalism that unlearn in my brain. But I will say counter intuitively to what I am saying right now, one of the a friend told me one of the best pieces of advice I ever gave her. And I wanna give it to everybody listening right now is do not work for meaning. I told her don't get a job that you actually care about or that's meaningful to you. Don't try to find meaning in your career. Find a job that's stable, that's good income that's chill that you can do and that you don't hate and that you don't mind and then make sure it gives you time in the rest of your life to do the things that you truly care about. And Tell us about these chill well paid jobs. You know, hey. Like, where can I get? A chill job. You just you just destroyed the entire teaching profession because that's not a chill job. Yeah. No shade to people that do find meaning in their work. I think that's really great. But I've just found that if you're able to find a job that pays the bills, and that doesn't take everything out of you and that leaves time for you to do what you truly want to do, you will be able to do all the things that make you happy that fulfill you You won't have to tie a monetary metric to it. You won't have to tie some form of like harsh results to it. You won't have a boss or a manager telling you how to do it. You can truly be yourself. I don't think I That's a challenge though, still be honest, is that people will try to find these jobs and capitalism wants to extract more and more value from you as a worker.
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And like my job had one expectation when I started, and I actually do really like my job. And I love my colleagues. And now because of budget cuts, I'm actually to do a lot more. So, like, people who get to have work life boundaries, like, I'm jealous. But, like, most of us work all the time, even if our jobs don't pay that much, are supposed to be relatively chill jobs. Like, you know, we're always on our email. We're always producing this. We're always, like, chasing a paper trail. Right? So, like, if we could I guess, we had to fight for those jobs.
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Yes. I was just gonna say -- Yeah. -- this organized. Ex literally exactly. Like, I literally fight everyday at my workplace to be a little anti work person. Every day, I am asked to and expected to and get other things. And it's a it's a whole thing for me to be like, actually, no. I did a lot last week. Look at all of these things that I did. I get to tell you what I'm going to be doing. You know, I get in trouble from time to time.
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But it is it is an ongoing child and I will say, Susan, I think you and I have probably better work life balance than most people we know in some perspective. And that's because you have a fighting union and that's because you work really hard and fight really hard for it in the same here. And yeah, that's that's another great message then. If you're unable to find an ideal job that's relatively well paying and relatively not too harsh working. But you also have an obligation to you and your coworkers to do is fight for the conditions at your current job to be better. And I know that can be really scary, very difficult. And if you are thinking about unionizing, there is a great BSA resource. It's called EWOC, e WOC, like those little Star Wars guys. And we'll have a EWOC organizing number on. We will have an EWOC. On the show. That too. Both. And it's a great resource to help you start learning about how to organize.
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But yes, It is also incumbent upon all of us at our workplaces to fight to make them better places for us because you spend most of your time at work. I certainly still do despite the fact that my job is probably better than most. And it's our obligation with our coworkers with every single working person to make those places a better place. Agreed. It's time for us to make this workplace a better place and call it That is the end of our immune system coming up. Yeah. No.
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Is there anything you wanna say before we wrap up? Well, I think that this thread that we got into that I don't know. Maybe we'll explore again in the future this idea that, like, capitalism doesn't just alienate you from the means of production. It also and and your work. It also alienates you from an inherent belief in yourself as someone who is productive, independent of a of a monetary value. And that's I think that that's such an important thing to keep in mind as an arts educator, but also just in general that, like, this capitalism thing is telling us that we can't whether that that thing be like living your most beautiful life in this way or this way or this way. But we can if we organize and we make it happen. That was probably much longer than a a little thing that No. That was great. That was beautiful.
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Independent non monetary creative production is a radical act and it is anti capitalist. And we want to encourage you to do it with others in a collective. You know what that collective is called, the Democratic socialist of America. Go Google, join DSA, the link is somewhere in our bios and social media and our bios on whatever podcast app you're listening to this on. We really encourage you to check it out and join the organization. Before you do that, if you're interested in a much lighter form of independent non monetary creative production, you can produce a rating for this podcast, and you can produce a new subscription on which a app you're listening on. Yeah. Thanks so much for listening. This is Susan. This is Scott and Noah. Cool. Have a great day, everybody. Left on red is reported live at left on red studio's international and beautiful historic Astoria Queens, the most film neighborhood in all of New York City. It's hosted by Susan Kang and Scott Carolidis. It's produced with original music by me, no Oiticchi, and Giuliano MiRra manages our comms. Thanks for listening, solidarity forever.