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Welcome to left on red where a Gen X mom and gay millennial do socialism. We have left wing views on the news you could use. My name is Scott. And I'm Susan. And we're here today with Denny, are you a millennial or a Gen X? Hotly contested. No. You've been a millennial. Is that I'm a millennial. I'm, like, culturally. Are you born in, like, you're born in Nineteen eighty five. Eighty five is like when you're definitely a millennial. There you go. Definitely a millennial.
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And actually a person was saying on Twitter, that's four ninety eight eighty, like me. That there's some kind of a major shift that happens in which if you've worn ninety eighty, you've got crap politics. You've worn eighty five. Your politics are like a thousand times better. And we don't know what it is, but I think it's because I went to college when all that earth is flat. Crap was, you know, Lexus in the olive tree.
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Thomas Friedman came to my colleague to give a keynote. Alright? People in my ears swallowed a little bit of an era. It was a different era. And when when you all were in college Only five years, but -- Right. -- it makes sense. It was a huge difference. You were called as a as the your freshman college as My first year of college was the year that Obama got elected.
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What? In two thousand eight. Oh, You're that much younger than me? Oh, yeah. No. Are you really that much younger than me? Well, eighty five. Well, I finished college in two thousand and two, though. Oh, wait. No. I graduated the college. Sorry. I graduated the college as the year above. Yes. Was crash crashing. And so you could see that capitalism wasn't all that cracked up to numbers. Whereas, I graduated, like, high school in this sort of like The rosy. Right. Like, oh, the cold works over and Catalyst Yeah.
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Susan has one. We love French accents. So we do. Susan is Usually, I'm surprisingly passionate about generations and the categories for millennial and genetics. That was very funny introduction for Tom Brad. Danny Desiree. Desiree's better. Yeah. So Danny Valdez, please introduce yourself out I love the millennial Gen X divide here, which Susan has a lot to say about. I'm really I'm a little surprised. I'm not surprised at all. Thank you. I'm here to be unsurprising. Yeah. Danny, please. My name is Danny about this.
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I moved to New York in two thousand nine from Miami, Florida. I'm Cuban American, which everyone tells me they can hear my accent, but I'm still in denial about. I can hear you. There you go. See. And apparently, I'm a millennial. So -- Okay. -- I'm really happy to be here.
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In person, I'm a big fan of the show, I have to say. So it's cool to be here. Perfect. So if you're a big fan of the show, you can be on the show. So you send us an email. I'm a big fan of this. A fan to on the show pipeline. You also have to join DSA first, though. If you're a sufficiently large fan and you joined DSA and you send us an email telling us that such a big fan of your shoes.
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Susan's membership. Here's my perfect membership. I may do. We will fly you out. That's the left on red screen. To ride my bike here.
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Theodus is not gonna be doing any ventral acquisitive anytime soon despite the fact that we are where Sesame Street got, you know, got started. Yes. That it's a different voice. But I I do many different voices. Thank you.
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But so, Danny, you told us a little bit about yourself. We would love to hear as we do with every guest, what brought you to socialism and the Democratic socialist of America. So you're from Miami, move to New York, Actually, quite a while ago. Yeah. What? After college. Right? Yeah. And I'm curious about your political development when you first started thinking about politics how you got to socialism and how you got to the Democratic socialist of America, the DSA.
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Well, you know, I'm Cuban American from Miami, and we all know what the politics of that particular cohort of people are. So I grew up in, you know, a fairly politically conservative environment. And it's just sort of all encompassing and all around you. And to be honest, I didn't think very much about it at all for a good chunk of my young Do you think about politics at all? Yeah. Not really. It was just sort of secondary to me until and again, classic Millennial nine eleven.
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I was in high school and it was the first time that the world felt like it had stakes beyond my little, like, suburban Miami existence. And it really connected me to trying to figure out what it just happened and why and sort of initially understanding that the things we were, like, being told about, you know, their haters for our freedom. Oh, since we're just didn't make sense to me at all really. But I wouldn't say I became a socialist really until later than than than that, like, in college when I started getting involved in activism groups and going to actions, And that was really I had I had a, you know, a cadre of really good friends in in college who you know, we're on the left. Let's just put it like that. I don't know if they're socialists or communists or whatnot, but it drew me into it tapped into that curiosity that I think was sort of sparked by this big, like, political or shaking event that was nine eleven and the war in Iraq afterward and, like, all of these big political shakeups. That kicked off, you know.
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What kind of organizing were you doing in college? I did a lot of so in Miami, there's a place called the Miami Worker Center, which is, you know, sort of like a place that was started by by unions and a staff by unions and it's like a resource center for people in like low wage jobs to find out about unionizing or find out about how their rights, whatever they were or are. And I started going there a lot because my friends were one of my friends worked there. And I just ended up going there a lot. So we did a lot of stuff at the time.
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I remember doing a lot of things around Burger King. And, specifically, the people who were growing tomatoes for Burger King were asking for like a penny more per pound of tomatoes that they would pick. And Burger King was obviously not cooperating with them. So, like, we did and Burger King funny Burger King headquarters is in man. He No idea. For some weird reason. They're, like, in this big corporate park, like, in Miami. That's that's camp. It is, kinda.
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So, you know, it was a good opportunity for for I I I would say I kinda cut my teeth like organizing around different little actions and like, I remember one where we brought a bunch of, like, baskets full of tomatoes and we left them at their, like, front door there in the in the in the Burger King. Stuff like that, it was it was at a time where I feel like activism was a lot about, like, performance. It was it was also during, like, the the Yes Men era, you know, where like, every everything was what was the those things that they do in malls where, like, everybody dashes together. Yes. It was, like, the flash mob era of activism. Where it was very much about, like, trying to get Yeah. Trying to make a big spectacle of things. And that's what we did a lot. Right. And politics was about art too. Right? Yes. It was also form of expression. A hundred percent. And that's what that's where I got my start, like doing things like that. And really, I did stuff like that.
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When I moved to New York, I joined this performance activist group. Yeah. I was about to say saying it's very performance based. No. Yeah. I know that I got to know that immediately when I moved to New York within three months. In two thousand and nine, I joined this group called Reverend Billy and the Church of Stop Shopping, which they're pretty well known, but No. Yeah. Well, no. I didn't know who they were. Okay. No. No. No. They're big and occupy. Yeah. Who were they? Yeah.
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This sounds like a gen x movement. Wow. Well, the guy I mean, reverend Billy himself is a boomer. He's in he's in his seventies. But cross generation Yes. It it really is. It's a cross generational. No. He he's in amazing shape. Yeah. He can still go out there. Can you not be in good shape for forever? I mean, like, I didn't know he was seventeen years old. He's seventeen years old. He looks young. And Dan, he said he's a boomer, and you're like, well, he's in good shape. Okay. We we got this. You're being set up to fail here. No. I'm sorry. That was good. We should we should not cut that part. Susan saying can we cut this is the great ending of the real. That was really effective. We should impact these.
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So, anyway, Raven building the Stop Shop inquiry is It is a performance activism. Like, as he considered Truth. Right? They call him we we are a truth. Yeah. And it started with him, Reverend Billy, who is this kinda like a Billy Joel. And, I mean, not Billy Joel. What's a Billy Graham? Billy? Yes. I mean, Graham, Quite literally. He has the Braun Pampers. Right. Papa door. It like The white suit. Yeah. Very And it actually started he would go to Times Square.
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And he would have Mickey Mouse on a crucifix. And he would talk about at the at the time, this was a big deal. This was in in the early nineties. Who's, like, a left knee and their sweatshop labor and all all the things. And, like, these you know, this the sort of moral contradiction of this company that was all about kids and kids' joy was using, you know, sweatshop labor overseas to create these toys and these things that we would buy for our kids. So I actually have a a thought about this because I did read the Wikipedia page for Urban Billie in the Stop Shopping Quire. Someone did their research. And I'll prepare.
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One of the things that struck me about that and then about sort of the brief summary that you're giving us right now is It struck me a lot as focused on consumerism. It struck me a lot as anti capitalist, not necessarily as socialist. And I was thinking about, like, the differences between those two things. And I don't know if you wanna expand on that. But, yeah, curious based on that, the difference between anti capitalism and socialism. And you're telling us the steps of how you got into the stop shopping choir, but how did then you get into the Democratic socialist of America. Well, I mean precisely because after being in this group for ten plus years, I mean, I met my partner there and we have a kid So it's like, I I will say you're a good singer.
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This is a group of people who are family to me and and literally. It's a group of yeah. Quite literally. It's like seventy, eighty people who I met within three months of moving to New York, not knowing a soul, and they became my de facto family here in New York like they were at my wedding, it was, you know, they're integrated into my life in a really, like, unique and special way. And I think that's what's unique about that group per in particular, like Billy and his wife's savagery have really fostered, like, a tight knit community of people that will go and sing and really, like, ridiculous and sometimes perilous situations and get arrested and, you know, make press and do things like that.
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But the performance aspect of it after a while, I felt like exactly the way you framed it, I think, is exactly how I started to think about it. It's like, okay. I broadly agree about the sort of individual psychological effects of consumerism. And really, he'll we'll talk a lot about, like, the societal effects of consumerism too. But what do we do instead? Right? Or, like, what are we moving towards? What's the next step? What is after that? Like, what is just opposition is fun and sex and you can write songs of, like, really catchy songs about it and you can do a lot with that. Right?
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But what attracted me to DSA you know, of course. Again, like many other people, during the twenty sixteen, like Bernie, like, bump is what we call it in DSA, like a bunch of people joined DSA around that time because there was a articulated argument put forth on the national stage of a vision of the country where Yeah. In a way, like you could say, we focus less on consumerism and more on each other. Right? But also, like, there are real policies that we can work toward and fight for that can manifest these things in real life. And, you know, I don't wanna I don't wanna say, like, it's not important to critique or to do art even or to have performance. I think protests where there's no art are just awful to be at. Right? It's their their The the two things can work in in concert with each other.
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But what attracted me to DSA was, like, I wanted to get my hands into the weeds, and I wanted to do that kind of work that led a little bit beyond, you know, the the performance aspect of of of what they do. And again, not till I can validate it. It's very precious to me. It's really important to me, but I wanted to do From my own, like, political development, I wanted to do something different. Yeah. Alright. Well okay. Dani and I are both parents in the org. Indeed. And so I thought you've done lots of organizing. So I'd like to talk you I'd like you to talk about the organizing you've done in DSA in general, but then I'd also like you talk about how you've brought and sort of centered your identity and your roles apparent within the org? Yeah.
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When I First during DSA, my my son, Victor, was a newborn baby. And it's been a while. It's been a while. He's seven now. And one of the first things I noticed about DSA was that it was hard to to attend everything. It was hard to to be there for things. It was hard to go to convention. It was hard to do a lot of the things that are sort of part and parcel of being a part of DSA as a parent. And I I just think that's that's because, like, since DSA was sort of revitalized, like, it was revitalized by young people in their twenties who didn't have kids. Let's call them millennial. And Yeah. Yeah. And I think what an interesting thing that's happening now is a lot of the people who joined in that cohort like, in the twenty sixteen era. They were not getting Yeah. They're in their early mid twenties at that point, and now they're at a point where they're in the early thirties. They're getting married, they're having kids, they're moving to a different phase of their life. And I think the the organization has you know, I wouldn't say they've struggled, but, you know, we just haven't been able to meet that that need there.
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This is something we talked about a couple of times on this show, particularly about, like, race and gender -- Yeah. -- where there's, I think, the difference between the organization being ex accepting of a person versus welcoming the person. So it's not like anyone would have not allowed you to have your child with you at any of these events. Yeah. It's sure you could have brought him, but it's more like did the organization take extra steps to make me feel like I should bring my son, to make me feel like it would be welcomed for me to bring my son -- Mhmm. -- and that if my son came, he would not be, like, bored out of his mind bothering the hell out of me. But he'd actually have some Or I would feel like he's a distraction or, you know, I I feel like I would spend most of my energy at a meeting managing my child and, like, his impact on the meeting overall than, like, myself partaking in it. So so it's not like they're gonna position was ever, like No. I still It was never hard. Like, they never did the extra things necessary to I would say that they could, like, a good positive no brainer experience.
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So what are you doing now to help change that? So what I did and what I'm doing, along with Susan, is we we're getting the parents and DSA together, basically, we're organizing parents. We have our own caucus. We have our own mini caucus. It's called comrades with kids. And the idea is to both do internal organizing inside of DSA to sort of bring some reform to and make recommendations and and and do that kind of thing to how DSA runs its meetings, runs its events. Like, how do we get childcare at at stuff? How do we have events for kids? How do we just become a more child and family friendly organization overall?
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And then also, like, as a group of parents, organizing externally also for things like universal child care and, like, again, going back to, like, policies that we can help push as, you know, the concerned parent, which has a lot of cache in in this culture, I feel like. I think it's also useful because people who don't like DSA lights they like to characterize us as a bunch of out of touch privileged you know, trust fund having privileged, like, or privileged hipster, whatever millennials. Who don't know what the real world world is like, but in fact, we're far more diverse than that. We have a lot of parents. We actually even have parents in the MPC now. Yeah. Multiple parents. Right? And so, actually, it's changing, and the concerns that we have as parents are the concerns that other parents have for their children, like it's not, and our our experiences to fight for things for the other families in New York and beyond are things that make us more appealing as socialist and not just as like a bunch of Bernie Bros who only talk about like Medicare for All, which I also think will help parents. But also -- Sure. -- yeah. So there's so many things that we can do at both the local and the national level that I think will have broad appeal. And when we're trying to build up this multi racial, multi ethnic, you know -- Multifamily. Right. Multigenerational. -- jury's. I mean, and and to be College to be more, like, you know, politically blunt about it, like, it's a huge center of power. In the city, in the state, in the country, parents are the vast majority of the working class go to work and be our part of the working class because they're they are caregivers for a child. Or their caregivers for another person in in some capacity.
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And you also mentioned about how being a concerned parent is like a politically potent force. I think there's like a few things about that. One, it's kind of like you were saying Susan, being a parent is like validate it's like being a validator of when someone imagines the average American or a sympathetic American, they will often think of a quote unquote middle class family. Mhmm. Being a member of a family seems to conform to traditional values or conservative values being concerned about and taking care of your kids is seen as a worthwhile, virtuous thing to worry about and care about. It's also relatable. No matter what end of the political spectrum you're on, if you have kids you care about.
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And also the the the the right wing of this country, like, has latched on to the family as a political tool. I mean, we see we see that in school districts all over the country. We see that in all this anti trans stuff. That's that's going on. A lot of that is fueled by I think a lot of it is astroturfed. Like, I don't know how organically real it is, but it's it's there and it has, like, political saliance and power. Because the family and family values has receded that a little bit -- Mhmm. -- in the name of, like, trying to accommodate I think we can have a vision of a family that is accommodating and and welcoming and and can find family in a lot of different situations and validate those. Without seeding the idea that, like, families are important. And, like, kind of, like, an essential structure to a human society that have been around for a really long time. Yeah. I mean, there's probably a lot of left literature in theory that is Probably not so friendly to the concept of family, but for sure. I will say you're absolutely right.
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Conservative play on a lot of fear Yeah. Probably the people that you care most about in the world, probably are your family members, especially if you have children, they're your children. And so to weaponize that care and love and then turn it into like fear and hate of the other, this person is trying to take your kids away. This person is trying to hurt your kids or giving them ideas that are dangerous. Yeah. You know, all of these things. That's an extremely powerful force. And you're right. They play on this idea of what our family values, their traditional values.
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But if you look at actual history, the family, traditionally, actually used to be much larger. The nuclear family is a relatively different concept. Some might call it relatively new People used to live in multi generational households. The family used to extend to lots of different people with lots of different roles. Not everyone has to have kids. You know, the gay uncle is not a recent invention. Right? Actually, there's a lot of, like, documented history of, like, a funny uncle, a funny aunt that also lived in the household with you and helped you take care of your children. So, yeah, there's a lot of, I think, non traditional but actually traditional family for us to look at lunch. Non traditional within the last hundred years. You know what I mean? Like, that's as far back as we're willing to let a tradition go. But as you're saying, like, humans have had multimodal families for a long time. And we talk about it openly.
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The the thing about being a parent that is so interesting to me is, like, the kind of, like, schizophrenic approach we have because, like, just as an example, I I say this all the time. We teach kids socialism. We teach them to share. We teach them to value others before you value yourself. Like, all of these things are as socialist we aspire to have as societal values. We spend the first, like, ten years of a kid's life And there's like an entire empire of media and music and all kinds of stuff that try to reinsteal these values in kids like I will grew up watching Barney. And there's lots of kids shows now that that tried to teach kids like these values of sharing and compassion and all of these things.
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My elementary school was run by a dictatorship of the proletariat. There you go. Well, and then, like, we turn kids loose into a world that is, like, cutthroat and all based on competition and profit. And it it it's such an interesting dichotomy to me. It's like this this, like, admission that that's the world we actually want we want a world where, like, people are compassionate and care about one another and share. It's like the the number one word parents use is share. What is the number one thing that socialist want? We want a a shared economy. We want a a a society where things are more equally shared between people. And I just think it's really interesting that we spend a lot of time teaching that to kids and then don't have a society that reflects that.
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Alright. So this is so this is super interesting and I a hundred percent agree. Our kids don't share with each other, but they get along well with each other. Right. So I guess the question that we have for you as we sort of scale up. Right? Is that how do we take these challenges and, like, build power as parents, as people who care for others in the city nationally and beyond. Like, what do you think our sort of our next steps are?
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As for DSA. I mean, I truly believe that DSA should adopt a priority campaign centering around education and childcare. And that's a thing I would like, congrats with kids to really be at the forefront of I think Did you explain what a priority campaign -- Yeah. -- this context was realized. I used I used a word that maybe not everybody knows. A priority campaign is something that is voted on by DSA members at our convention. And it sort of says, like, this is a thing that the chapter or the organization is gonna dedicate money and time and energy and resources towards. So for example, the tax rich campaign, which I'm working on, Scott's working on. So everybody's working on because it's a priority campaign.
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So what I would like to do is to say, like, you know, there are universal healthcare sorry, universal healthcare pushes both on the state near state level and on the city level as well that just need a lot of organizing work to really get them to a place where they can be viable. And I think a universal child child care bill will instantly changed the lives of so many parents who, like, the number one thing you talk to a parent about is child care. Like, the number one thing we covets to each other about, it's it's it's a constant thing in your mind. Take caring for your kids, especially in a world where we have to work, you know, we have to do all these other things to provide for our families. Our kids have to go somewhere during that time, you know.
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As someone on the verge of about to pass, to build public renewables act, which we've worked probably over four or five years now. I'll let you in on a little secret. It'll be a really long time. Oh, I know before we win. Hell yeah. Universal childcare. You know that. This would be like a four or five year. Our children won't need child. K? Yeah. Our my child's already aged child. Right. Right. Right.
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But the reason I bring that up is that it seems like you're supportive of a priority campaign in order to support parents. One, because those reforms are simply necessary to support parents. But two, that you seem to think that pursuing that work will encourage more parents to want to join When they see DSA on the front lines of this work around education and childcare, they will understand it more as an org interested in their needs and concerns. How when someone who's a parent joins DSA, how are we welcoming them? How do we make changes to make sure that not only do they join because they're so excited about what we're doing and they wanna work on this stuff, but then also they find a welcoming inclusive space for them that make sure their kids are welcome and having a good time, makes all of those things that we talked about earlier, you know, eliminates the barriers for a parent to participate fully in DSA.
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I think, like, one thing we did that was super, like, a small detail, but I think, like, goes a long way is, like, having a coloring station at a town hall meeting. Like, it can be it doesn't have to be giant adjustments to the things that we're doing. And to even the or the type of organizing that we're doing, but it's like just thinking about it a little bit, just saying, okay, if somebody comes to this town hall with their kid, you know, at least, like, we have, like, somebody in DSA made these awesome coloring pages and there's gonna be somebody sitting at a table where the kids can go in, like, color for an hour while their parents are at this meeting. We have had childcare, like, providing efforts in New York City DSA in the past, like, I think the pandemic City count city the city conventions, we've been Yeah. Yeah. We we have childcare there too. But, you know, I think it's Little things like that. And I maybe, like, thinking about what times you're having the meetings, when you're going to to meetings.
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And I honestly think a big part of it that I have found even in the the like, these first few months of organizing compromise with kids is just talking to other parents and, like, being in community with other parents has been so great. Like, in that comrades, like, kids We chat is is like a form of mutual aid. It was especially during the six seasons. Yeah. It's like should we take our kid to school or to the doctor, but it's like a great source of It's it's current event. Like, it's been such, like, a nice place to rely on that isn't, like, you know, a Facebook group -- Right. -- or baby center dot com which you know, very It's just other people with, like, similar values as you like, again, what you were what you were alluding to before, like, making a family out of the values that we all share together as socialist, it's good that we can rely on those values to also, like, help us raise our kids in in in different ways.
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And I love that my kids know my kid knows Susan kids and, like, they get together and they play Nintendo and they do all kinds of, like, fun things. It's great. Susan's kids get together with me and also playing it. The designated subway surfers. It's also funny that sounds like in the Democratic Associates of America, our form of a family is a group chat. Oh god. Yeah. That is unfortunately. It's a means of I betrayed that, didn't I? It's a means of staying in touch with people. I mean, it's it's not I also am a part of many parent group chats in many different context. So, you know, this is with it with your kids, school, parents, stuff like that. So Facebook groups -- Mhmm. -- and we also hope just one say really quickly before we wrap up.
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Is that I think having universal childcare and creating these programs through organizing will help a lot of people who wanna have kids but feel like kids are a luxury these days. Mhmm. Like, maybe they can have kids. Yeah. I know that a lot of people feel that. Right. I know that after you three k passed, I told my student I was like, you know that you could have just paying for day care for your kids for like two and a half years if you time it right and they looked at me like insane. Yeah. You can have kids in New York. Well, that's something that we don't always message although I think the housing folks messaged it really well.
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Maybe us as TSA people could do a better job is, having kids isn't just the child care cause. When I think about having kids, Probably the number one thing I think about is, like, as a gay man, the expense it would take to adopt a child or, you know, all of those things way too expensive and very involved, probably not gonna happen. But if I were interested in going through that gauntlet, Then I would have to say, okay, I'd probably have to live in a different apartment where I'd have a bedroom for the children and I couldn't afford that. So housing actually comes up as a much sooner cost than childcare in my mind, then I imagine the childcare cost and I'm like, oh, dear god. So it's funny The average family score a third of their income on on child care in New York state. A third of Then you spent half of your income one. Right. Right. It's just a couple of dollars to So it's important that as we build towards being a more inclusive organization to parents, and we build towards work and campaigns that speak to the needs of parents.
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We also highlight the work we're currently doing for example, pursuing good cause in New York state -- Mhmm. -- is also helping parents because protecting you from an eviction and preventing your rent from skyrocketing every year is another way to make sure you can have kids you can be safe with your family. You're not worried about where you're gonna live every single year and that your cost will be relatively stable. Yeah. Being a parent puts you at the front line of every class warfare issue out there because the stakes are not just about you anymore. It's about your kids and your family and making sure that they're also okay. So That's a good line. That's what we would love to and I would love to end this episode on. Being a parent puts you on the front line of every class warfare issue out there. Absolutely. It makes me think of how often we talked about earlier.
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Parrothood is weaponized for the right and how Republicans are keeping parents somehow focused on drag queen reading hours -- Sure. -- fans, athletes, all of this stuff that literally doesn't hurt kids only liberates people and keeping these parents distracted from the things that truly actually matter -- Mhmm. -- that do in fact hurt them and their children, which is the cost of housing, which is the cost of child care, which is the cost of healthcare, the quality of the education system, like, all of these things are Teacher pay. Teacher pay. All of that. It it intercepts all of it. Pisses you off. It sure does. I'm that happy note. We're gonna be more hopeful. Hello. Right? Yeah. We're gonna build for the better world than our children deserve. So on that happy note. How are we building for that better world? We're joining together. We're no longer being unorganized members of the working class or unorganized parents, we're organizing together.
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