Ep 19: The Susan Kang Origin Story
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Welcome to Left On Red, where gay, millennial and Gen X mom do socialism.
0:00:39 - Speaker 2
We've got left wing views on the news you can use.
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And today's news is news about our millennial, or Gen X mom, almost millennial. We really want to give her that debate?
0:00:53 - Speaker 2
It's a debate, yeah.
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Our Gen X mom, susan Kang. So we've interviewed a few people on this show before and got to thinking you know, i don't know how much our viewers actually know about us, so we're really excited to tell you all about us. And today you get to hear the origin story of Susan Kang. So, susan, tell us a little bit about your background. Start from childhood. God damn it. What got you? What brought you into the movement, into socialism, into DSA?
0:01:26 - Speaker 2
Okay, so my family is from South Korea and they immigrated over here in the 1970s And so when they left Korea, korea was a dictatorship and it was in the middle of what now would be called like the economic miracle, in which South Korea went from like being as poor as a poor country in Sub-Saharan Africa in 1960 to like the 12th largest economy in the world. So that's a pretty big jump. And my parents left in the middle of that because they were like this sucks Right, like we don't want to be here. My father was at one point protesting the military dictatorship and you know, but then his father died So he ended up coming to the US. My mother ended up coming to the US because they wanted like, something better, something with more opportunities. But in the end of the day, right, they were always identified as immigrants and they identified as people from, like, a country that was very much affected by US imperialism. So, growing up, my parents my mom and dad my dad mostly they talked about my dad. They talked about politics and history with us, just because they really wanted us to know our identity. And, of course, i grew up in the most white, republican parts of whatever area they were living.
I moved around a lot. I was born in California, then I lived in Wisconsin and then back in California and then New York and New Jersey and then Illinois And anyway, at one point I became an adult And in this process my father shared a lot of his thoughts with me. Like I remember when the Iraq war, the original Iraq war, happened in 1990. I was like curious and I was a little weirdo. My parents never let me listen to the radio or watch any secular TV because they're also fundamentalist Christians. I basically read the Hasbury Park Press, like from cover to cover, and so I was like really curious about the news and the world. Now talk about some. And I would say things to my dad like well, i was like well, they say that you know stuff is happening with the Kurds, and my father was like war is always bad, okay, and I like watch coverage of anti-war protesters, which were like not that many in the night, like in 1989, 1990.
I was very curious about politics. I asked my father what are we? And he said we're Democrats, okay, and I was like okay, but there was no explanation, just kind of like angry exclamations. And I was like why are we Democrats. He said, well, we came here with Jimmy Carter in power and he's like nicer to immigrants. And I said, okay, i was like that seemed like a good enough reason as any, and throughout it all, even with the fundamental Christianity and like more economic prosperity, my parents have remained Democrats, which just goes to show you how important political socialization is. So, anyway, i was very curious about the election of George Herbert Walker Bush in like 1988 when I was like in third grade, yeah, so I was very curious about politics.
So I was basically I want to claim to be like normal looking, but I've always been a little weirdo And also my parents didn't let me participate in popular culture. So this is as normal as I could be, which was to read the Asperger Park Press and pay attention to IWIT news and like ask questions about the president. But like I was curious about politics, i continued being curious about politics. I moved, my parents moved me to a suburb of Chicago that was full of Republicans but is now represented by Democrats in like 1995, when I was 15, in the middle of high school, and I was just like, wow, everybody here is really conservative and this stinks. But I met one other girl. She became my best friend who was the other Democrat, and I volunteered at the DNC in 1996, the Democratic National Convention in Chicago.
0:05:07 - Speaker 1
Is that the one where they were dancing the macaray now?
0:05:08 - Speaker 2
Yes, so it was like the reelection of President Clinton and like I remember, like I wrote to like Hillary Clinton and like, or Chelsea, chelsea and I are the same age, okay and like I got like some form letters back and a picture of socks and like a picture of like Bill and Hillary and I like I thought Hillary Clinton was so cool, like she was like so it's just like a cool lady. She does have a great fashion sense.
0:05:32 - Speaker 1
She was hot in the 90s. please, i'm not gonna take that away from her.
0:05:35 - Speaker 2
All right, she was like super, she was like just a girl boss, and you know, my mother was a working mom all the time who didn't really want to be like, known for being a house, like a homemaker and that, and like Hillary Clinton was like I'm not here to bake cookies and I was like me neither, but but I also like baking cookies, anyway. So when I went to college, i went to the Air Force Academy first, which is a little aside and we don't have to talk about that too much, but that's why. That's why I'm into muscle minute, you know.
0:06:04 - Speaker 1
Meathead minute. Meathead minute. sorry, yeah, it sounds like you didn't spend enough time at Air Force Academy.
0:06:09 - Speaker 2
Anyway, i dropped out because it wasn't great space for me, but I went to the University of Illinois and so I feel like going to a big like landmark land grant like institution, like University of Illinois is mostly like full of frat fraternities and sororities. That's like the mainstream culture, or like being really into college sports, and I don't. I've never watched a football game like. Oh, i did at Air Force Academy. What am I talking about anyway? but I don't like football, i don't like any of that stuff. So I like hung out with the weird kids who are into politics and they're. It's such a big school that there's still plenty of those weirdos. We also had like a racist mascot, the chief, oh god.
Yeah and so like. When my students during in the night, 2020s tell me that John Jay College is racist, i'm like you know, i believe your experiences and that you feel racism here. Let me tell you a little bit about what it was like for me. And they're like faces like just dropped. They're like what a white guy in like a, like a Navajo headdress, like I was like, yeah, but that's like our official mascot, right. So we as part of young people who organize against the mascot and people would tell me that you know, you're hurting my school pride and I was like I don't have any school pride, so whatever.
So I was a little weirdo in college too, and we love weirdos in college but what really radicalized me and got me to start thinking about things in terms of class was that I always knew I wanted to go to grad school because there's just no way something like me like participates in capitalism in that way, like I just like, ah, i'm a good, i'm a person who likes to read and think, so I'm going to keep doing this as long as I can And then, when I can't do anymore, i'll figure out something else to do.
So I was like interesting going to grad school, getting a PhD, and didn't really have any thoughts beyond that. But I started hanging out with the grad students who I met because they were trying to organize a union at the University of Illinois. So this is the late 90s, early 2000s or sort of like peak early grad student unionization And I didn't really understand why they wanted to organize, because I was like, well, you guys are not staying grad students forever, it's like a temporary job. So I really had like stupid libs ideas about unionization back then. And, like you know, you do learn a lot in college, but a lot of the stuff you learn outside the classroom.
0:08:18 - Speaker 1
And by the way you say stupid libs ideas. I just want to say I still think you're like ahead of the curve. I certainly had much, much more negative views on unions and unionization at the same age.
0:08:29 - Speaker 2
Okay, well, so you're.
0:08:31 - Speaker 1
You're to be a grad school student and considering unionization is far and ahead where I think most working class people are. But I like it.
0:08:40 - Speaker 2
I'd like the stupid convention which is like people who work dangerous jobs should have unions, right, but if you're if you're a research assistant or teaching assistant, then you've got like a nice job. Why do people probably still feel that way? Yeah, but I think that that's less of the case today. People see vulnerability in all kinds of work And which is why our Gen Z overlords will they'll show us away Anyway. And that's when I sort of started thinking about class and exploitation and like why people deserve a voice at work, even if they do have like something that's nice. Like you have to apply to become a PhD student, right, and like usually hundreds of people will apply for like 12 spots. So it is a privilege to become a graduate student, but just because you had to work hard to get there doesn't mean that you can't demand more.
And that was something I really learned as an undergraduate student And I participated in like a building takeover And yeah, because the Illinois State law did not allow collective bargaining for, like you know, graduate students. And basically they were saying we demand that you organize with, negotiate with us anyway, and it worked. And I was like I was like all ready to go, like just like hunker down and get smelly in this administration building. Anyway, i've talked too long about my early youth, but when I went to the University of Minnesota, we actually tried to organize a union too, And we failed miserably. But that was also an important thing for me And I was like I really like unions and studying, so I'm going to combine them by studying international law and like workplace rights. That's what I did, my dissertation on.
0:10:08 - Speaker 1
But that, that union that you tried to organize, it actually what's the latest on it?
0:10:14 - Speaker 2
It just it just won by like 90%. So we like got our butts kicked, like so basically, 1999, 2005, 2012. So they had gone with AFT, the United Electrical Workers, which is independent ranking file union, which is what we picked, and then the UAW and the AFT. The UAW came in with like mutual resources, like they paid their organizers like a lot of money, but then they went, this time with UE, again the small independent union, and they killed it And like we couldn't get anybody from engineering to join, it was just so humiliating Like the engineers would just be like you're not even like a real, you don't even a real PhD student, like they were just really snobby to us And I was like I am doing research on international law.
Like it was like the meme with like the big dog and small dog.
0:10:59 - Speaker 1
And just a big call out to UE. By the way, they're the union that does the EWOC, the Emergency Worker Organizing Committee, with us and DSA. So shout out to UE.
0:11:09 - Speaker 2
The good thing about being a grad organizer and losing is that you have to get used to like defeat. You have to get used to feeling like what's the point? I don't want to reduce again because it hurts so badly that you know this defeat sucks And I wish I could say that I gained great perspective, but I don't. Every time we lose it still sucks, like I cry as much as I did back when I was like in my 20s as I do now, like it doesn't, it hasn't changed, but like you know it's got to keep doing it.
0:11:41 - Speaker 1
You got to keep doing it.
0:11:42 - Speaker 2
I mean.
0:11:42 - Speaker 1
I think there's a lot of people on the left, unfortunately, that have a perspective of you have to keep losing and or that if you're losing you're in the right. I think it's a complicated topic. We should address it on a different episode. But just around, whether or not victory or loss is an integral part of analysis, an integral part of being a leftist in the United States. You are right, you have to get used to losing a lot, partially because we're really so far away from the type of society that we want to live in.
Every single union law in the United States is tilted in favor of employers. Every single tenant law is tilted in favor of landlords. We could go on and on. So you have to get used to being in relatively negative conditions. But Also, you don't want to get too used to it, because there are some folks that just get so cynical. They're unwilling to consider what if we do win? They're unwilling to consider halfway measures at times. They're unwilling to consider if we do win and we have power, what do we do with that? You?
0:12:44 - Speaker 2
don't want to fall in love with losing. I definitely am not in love with losing, ok, but like also, the other thing that affected me with the union loss is that like I lost friends that I was like really chummy with, and like I lost a lot of respect for people too. And like people who had been going to grad school with, and like going to a PhD program is not, like, you know, working in the salt mines, but like it is an arduous and often alienating process that's made doable by the relationships you make with people. And like there are people who I was just like, oh, this person got my back and they just voted against union. I was like they don't got my back, but hey, guess what? A lot of those people have changed their minds. So it's like you can't just give up. like a person who's a five in 2005 can become or sorry a one right. They can become a one right In 2023, like a lot of those people were still in the Facebook group today.
0:13:31 - Speaker 1
For those of you listening, she's not saying five of looks out of 10. We use a scale on organizing from one to five. Where one is someone who's like absolutely with you, 1000 percent, They're another organizer. Two is someone who's fairly supportive, probably going to vote Yes, three is undecided and in four or five are varying levels of opposed There is one person who really still hates me from those days, and I don't.
0:13:57 - Speaker 2
they block me on Facebook. That's OK. You can't be. My mom says you can't be best friends with everybody.
0:14:03 - Speaker 1
Yeah, this person has remained a five right.
0:14:05 - Speaker 2
Especially if you have like strong opinions. And then so I came to New York and I started working at John Jay College And I got, i got I joined the union. But I didn't get involved because my first few years in New York I was trying to publish Like I don't know if you've heard this term publish or perish And I was just like I had no friends. I just moved to New York And I was like I'm just going to publish a lot, but I was just really terrified of not getting tenure. So I worked all the time, so I spent like my youthful years. I was like hot, like in my late 20s and 30s, like in like a windowless office, just like turning out articles with the hope that I would get tenure. And then I did, i ended up getting tenure and then I ended up having kids And you know I was just like I went to occupy in 2000. I was like 2011. No, 2011. Yes, the years run from together by mine now.
0:14:57 - Speaker 1
I know I was going to say occupy 2002, 2011. Who knows, Yeah 2011.
0:15:02 - Speaker 2
And like a lot of people who we now organize with today were there And I didn't meet them. I met some people who were like oh, g DSA. When DSA was more like kind of like a reading group And like I wasn't really enjoying it because I already have a reading group It was called Being an Academic, yeah, but they were all really nice and we would hang out sometimes Occasionally. But like Occupy was full of people with really interesting ideas that we agreed with. But, like fundamentally, there were people who were kind of allergic to hierarchies and organization And you know they were very interested in horizontalism, which I think is really great in certain kinds of work, like mutual aid. Work Works really well that way.
But if you're trying to do political work, we're trying to gain power. I don't know how effective that is. I think it's also really good in terms of like certain kinds of like protest mobilization. But I knew that that's not what I. That's not like wasn't going to be like a political home for me. And, interestingly, the people in Occupy reminded me of the people who are doing anti-racist chief organizing. They were also very interested in like non-hierarchical. They're basically anarchists before I sort of had any friend to organize that way And I love to organize with them and they were so cool. I was not cool Like you see pictures of me, i have, no, i had like one piercing up here.
0:16:22 - Speaker 1
You were. you were youthful, hot, not cool, stuck in an office publishing. Yeah, yeah, yeah So young, young anyway too.
0:16:32 - Speaker 2
But anyway, I guess, like a lot of people, that changed in 2016.
0:16:37 - Speaker 1
You were no longer young, hot and in an office, right, no my office now had a window and then like, oh no. Bernie.
0:16:44 - Speaker 2
Sanders was around, i was like, oh, this guy's cool. At first I was like, is this a joke? I didn't know, but it turned out increasingly to not be a joke and my students were really into it And I was like, huh, because the thing about being a Gen X I think identifying as Gen X is that I was left wing, gish and progressive at a time when that was actually really lonely, like there were just not a lot of people my age who did that. I had a friend in grad school who had been at the anti-WTO protests in 1999 in Seattle, but like he and I were like weirdos there too, Like just, we were just strange and like like I wasn't.
I wasn't like cool enough to run with like the anarchist kids, but I was like weird enough to not be normal And like most people aren't political in our generation Like we're, they're just like. I think that we came of age with like the cold war was ending and like people were reading Thomas Friedman and they were like, wow, the Lexus and the olive tree. And you know, my political science department invited him and I was like so mad. But I was the only one who was mad, except for like some global South grad students. Like I knew that this was crap, right, but like everyone was like you know you're wrong, susan, right, globalization is a rising tide that lifts all boats.
0:17:51 - Speaker 1
And it's something that keeps coming up. We have to do like a whole separate episode about like sex of the left But you keep talking about some people were mad, some people were weirdos, some people were anarchists. I feel like Before Bernie and it's so meaningful that your story changes with Bernie. Before Bernie, most of the people on the left in the United States were people that read a lot and Because they read a lot, they had lots of different ideas about the way politics should work or how life should look. So some of them were anarchists and some of them were Leninists, but some of them were Marxist Leninists And some of them were Maoists. And if you're a normal person listening to this, you're like what in the world is all of that? I still sort of don't know. If you're not a normal person listening to this, you've probably heard me say words that are like those aren't different things.
But yeah, it was very much a movement for people that read a lot, people that read too much and thought way too much about The detailed distinctions between different leftist ideologies.
0:18:54 - Speaker 2
Oh, so I should back up a little bit. In 2014, when I moved to Jackson Heights, i met people from the ISA, iso sorry, international Socialist organization, which is a really small, no longer in existence Trotskyist organization that has, like, a lot of strength in certain like college campuses.
0:19:10 - Speaker 1
So people right now are like what does it mean to be a Trotskyist organization?
0:19:13 - Speaker 2
and I still sort of yeah, i'm not gonna go there, but we can maybe have a guest to talk about that at some point, because I don't really know either. I mean, he seems cool, you know. But anyway, they tried to recruit me and I was just like this is not for me either, but I'm, i want to hang with you, like I want to organize with you, i'll come to some of your meetings, but I'm not gonna join the org, which they seem to be okay with as well, and some of those people are still like my friends today, and a lot of those people also joined DSA. But yeah, so, bernie, was like a moment when I was like I can be political, i can be a mom, i can figure out a way to be part of this movement and I can't just sit on the sidelines anymore, like not that I'm so Talented or special, but rather like I knew that, like I bring a little energy To the movement and other people bring a little bit of energy to the movement, that's like a powerful movement. But if I just sit on the sidelines, that that's not gonna work.
And I remember I did like Bernie turnout when I was like really pregnant with, with my second son, and then I also got arrested When, when, when I was also pregnant with my son, that was also, like recently in the nation, the picture of me for fighting against austerity cuts that Governor Cuomo was trying to put and basically, like Governors like to do this where they say, hey, new York City, you pay for this.
So he was trying to say, hey, new York City, you pay for half a billion dollars of CUNY funding. So I got arrested, like on a cold day in April, because Cuomo was up to shenanigans And the police were like you, you want to get arrested, but you're pregnant. And I'm like, yes, i am aware, i'm aware that I'm pregnant. So my older son likes to be like I've been to jail, but anyway, yeah. So I was like I did like New York State primary election turnout for Bernie when, with my big old pregnant belly And you know it's you only get to have that for like a few months. If you ever are a person who's pregnant, you should definitely milk it for all the advantages you can get right.
0:21:03 - Speaker 1
So if you're listening, you should get pregnant right. Engage in political activity right right people will.
0:21:07 - Speaker 2
They don't treat you like your Threat and then also, if you have a really small baby, you know, definitely take it with you places, because they only want to be treated like luggage for a very short period of time. So, but I used to take. So you know, trump was elected when my son was like Six months old and I was like let's go. So I like brought him, i just treated him like a piece of luggage, i just like went places with him and so after Trump was elected This is, i gotta tell a long story very quickly my state senator here in Queens Joined something called the independent Democratic Conference, which, or the IDC, which was in New York, was sort of the interesting way that Republicans kept power in the New York State Senate, basically preventing there from being a Democratic trifecta, which meant that Democrats can't just pass laws.
They had to negotiate with Republicans. And then Governor Cuomo he liked it that way. That way he could kind of like control, like the valve in which any kind of progressive legislation came forward. But that meant that in 2016, we didn't have Roe v Wade in law, we didn't have like anti-trans discrimination. We didn't have like there were all these things like any kind of climate change protections we didn't have, like tenant protections. We didn't have a lot of things and like half of them, these things have slipped my mind because it's been a while.
But in 2016, i started getting together with my neighbors, matt about my state senator, and then I became part of a movement like the NOAA IDC movement. That was very big and involved a lot of people who were mobilized after Trump's election because people were like what are we going to do about you know red states? But then a lot of people were like no, no, we have Trump Democrats here in New York And the WFP was really involved. A lot of these like newly emergent indivisibles and progressive organizations that were like post you know Trump's election. They really mobilized And you know this was part of the movement that helped bring a lot of attention to people like Julia Salazar, who wasn't running against an IDC member but was like IDC adjacent And, like I, picked up a lot of skills.
That time I met a lot of people, a lot of normal people who were way more normal than me, who were just like Donald Trump can't continue to do what he does. I met a lot of people in my neighborhood who were part of like just a local Democratic machine And I'm too weird for them to. I met a lot of people who I joined DSA in 2017, january And so I did both of these things together And these fights were like the DSA didn't get involved in the anti IDC fights officially, but a lot of our members were deeply involved.
0:23:37 - Speaker 1
And you guys? you guys killed him, You guys killed their state. No, i didn't kill him, so the state senator unfortunately died shortly after losing his primary Right.
0:23:50 - Speaker 2
It was a what's it called like an infection Sepsis. He had sepsis, okay.
0:23:58 - Speaker 1
His, the victor of the primary election, attempted to go to his funeral and was yelled out of it by his wife, who claimed that she killed him.
0:24:09 - Speaker 2
I didn't want anybody to die. Okay, I'm anti dying, All right. So that that man I wanted just not to be in power. He had a son who was like eight years old, So like I didn't want him to be dead, So I just want him to be like, oh, I regret all my life choices. That's fine. You know so much better.
0:24:26 - Speaker 1
But what is really standing out to me about your story is the significance of Bernie, aoc and Donald Trump And I feel like those three events were significant to a lot of people in that time period. That Bernie Sanders running in 2016 was kind of like the first inkling of the resurgence of a left movement in the United States. And then AOC winning in sorry. And then Donald Trump winning in 2016 was another reminder to folks that the Democrats, the liberal, like dominant power hegemony is not working. And then the victory of AOC in 2018, another like resurgence of the left. this like establishment to a lot of people there's another way. You don't just have to be Donald Trump Republican or Hillary Clinton Democrat. There's another way to be. There's a better world to fight for.
So it's really great to hear that those three events were like so pivotal even you described all of his history before, but none of those things got you to join a social organization until Donald Trump.
0:25:35 - Speaker 2
But there was no socialist organization. Well, full respect to the wonderful comrades at ISO, There was no socialist organization. I wanted to join, right. Like, only with those factors was there a movement for a multi-tendency, big tent socialist organization that was interested in building political power, not just a reading group. And, like I'm all about poly-ed, If you want to do poly-ed, you should do it. But like I already spent all my time reading like dense texts, right, And so I don't want to do that, I want to talk to regular people about BPR or about tax rich, even though, like I'm lazy, to you know, and like I have two kids I'm tired, Like I don't want to do that sometimes, but like Having two kids is part of the reason why I feel like I have to do it.
Like you know, what kind of world do we leave for these kids? And like, as an older person in DSA, I use my mom status as my like advantage. So, you know, if I'm canvassing and I see the person's about my age, any person who looks like they could be a parent, if I, you know, you see like toys outside their door, I just immediately tell them I'm a mom And here's why I'm spending my Saturday, away from my family, to talk to you, a voter, And that's very powerful And I did that. It was very effective for me trying to get votes for AOC in 2018 because I knew a lot of moms in the neighborhood and I would tell people. You know I'm a mom and I'm here talking to you because I see what's going on at the border And Alexander Ocasio-Cortez is the only candidate running in this race who wants to. You know, end ICE right.
0:27:11 - Speaker 1
So like And I think that's what Alexander Ocasio-Cortez and Danny's episode about the power of being a parent, which you know the more I listen to, just sounds like the power of humanizing someone.
0:27:20 - Speaker 2
But also like recognizing that if you can see people for where they are in their lives and like connect to where their struggles are, then like that's so much more effective than anything else. So, like a person who's relatively well off, like you know, they, even if they're relatively well off and they don't care about, like public services, they're going to care about, like climate change, because they've got children and their children have to survive in the world that we brought them into. So, like you know, or they feel sympathy when they see children, you know, in the cages. So this is like why socialism is, like to me, more popular than any other kind of ideology And that's why, like I feel righteous and also probably my religious background. I feel righteous when it comes to our political leaders because I feel like they are in the wrong and that people want these things And it's the correct thing to do. And that's why, like, we have to take these risks.
Partly I'm a unionized worker, so I know that political activity won't get me, not likely to get me fired. So, like I'm in a lot of privileged positions. But you know, what I really find very interesting and I'm frankly a little bit jealous of, is that the Gen Z's. They were growing up and learning about the world while Bernie was running for president, right, so this is so normal for them, whereas for me I was always very weird. So, like I welcome the world that the young people are building. We're caring about the environment, caring about working people, caring about like socialism is normal And like it's something that everybody does, as opposed to like just being weird little weird. Susan, who's parents didn't let her watch any, like you know, like non PBS TV. You know talking about nonsense as usual, right, and like you know it was very lonely for a very long time to try to like care about left wing things in graduate school. You know, like just as a parent, but now it's, it's less lonely. That that's just. That's the line I'm stealing from Bernie.
0:29:15 - Speaker 1
Yeah, we love to steal lines and other things from Bernie And I love to hear how DSA was like the normie socialist organization that welcomed you because you weren't weird enough for the other ones, but you were just weird enough for the Democratic Socialist of America. And now you don't have to be weird at all, although we welcome you in any shape form that you come in. but you can be a normal Gen Z person who is just really good about everything, or you can be a little weirdo as a millennial or Gen X or Gen Z, and even though DSA is sort of seen as a millennial org, it's Gen Gen X.
0:29:53 - Speaker 2
You know, whatever, however old you are, we've got people like we have. 70 year olds were deeply involved right. People from all walks of life can contribute in different ways And you don't have to feel like you're too old. You definitely never too young for DSA Like it's. There's a place for everyone here.
0:30:09 - Speaker 1
Absolutely. Unfortunately, millennial org used to be young org, but I'm about to be 30 next year, so crying.
But yeah, i feel like I couldn't think of a better way to tell all of our listeners if you're not already a DSA member, you should be one If you didn't hear any part of yourself in Susan's story and maybe you are a little bit more of a weirdo and we'll have you on the show to talk about that experience. But I feel like this is the organization for everyone. It's the organization for people from all walks of life. It's the organization for people who have lots of different beliefs. It is a big tent. If you have lots of different beliefs, even as a socialist, you are still welcome here And I hope you all listening. Consider joining Online Googling join DSA. Checking out the link in our description. It is probably the best thing that I had ever done in my life And it sounds like it was one of the best things that Susan did.
0:31:07 - Speaker 2
And I'm now in. I'm now at home with all the other weirdos. All right, solidarity forever.
0:31:15 - Speaker 3
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