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From: "Jesus-loves-you" <John15.13@Heaven>

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Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 12:51 PM

Subject: Re: New Drake-version (SETI)

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"Per Abrahamsen" skrev

Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 CET 4:23 PM

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> Jonas Møller Larsen <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

>

> > Det er jeg ikke helt enig i. Hvis modtageren ellers giver sig til at

> > prøve at opdele bitstrømmen i "bytes" af fast længde, tror jeg nu nok,

> > at n=8 vil skille sig ud, da de første netop n bytes da bliver meget

> > pæne. Desuden er 8 jo en nydelig, heltallig potens af 2.

>

> Sikkert, men det er stadig lettere for dig end for et, eftersom bytes

> af 8 bit er konventionen, og vores anonyme ven allerede har omtalt det

> som bytes.

Som tidligere skrevet:

Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 CET 2:41 PM

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>

> Tak for din *konstruktive* kritik, Per ... :-)

Den er jeg meget glad for og har fortsat hårdt brug for den ... :-)

Tillad mig her at anskueliggøre, hvad Jonas taler om:

(anvend venligst *minimum* 65 tegn pr. linje)

1-bits-systemet:

0________0______00________0_____0_0______00_____000______________

2-bits-systemet:

____0___0___________0___0_______________0___0____0__00___________

0_______0____0__00___0__00__________0____0__00______00____0_____0

3-bits-systemet:

_____0__0_0__0__0____________0____00__0___0_00__0__000___________

_____0_____0____0__________0_0_____0___________00____000_0____00_

0__0__________0_0_______0__0__0__0_0__________0_0_0___0___0______

4-bits-systemet:

________________________0_0___________0_0_____0___0___0________0_

______0_0_0_0_______0_0___0______00000_000_0___0_0_0_0_0_0______0

__0_0_____0_0_______0_0___0_______0_0___0____________0_0_0_______

0___0___0___0_____0___0___0__0__0___0___0__0_____0_0_____0_______

5-bits-systemet:

_0____0__0_______0_00_____0_0_____0_____0_00_0______0__0____0____

_________0_______0_______0_0___00______00_0__0_____0___0_________

___0__0_0_____0_0____0_____00___0_0__0______0________________0___

___0_0__0_______0____0_0_____0__00_____0_0__0______________0____0

0_________0_______0__0_______0000_____0_______0____0_0________0__

6-bits-systemet:

__0___0_______0__0____0__00______0__0_____________________0_000__

__0__0_______00__0_____0__000__00__0______________00__00__0____0_

_0___________0__00_________________00_____0___0______0_00________

____00__0________0_0_00_0_0_______0___0_______0__0___________00__

________0_______________0__0___0______0_____0______0___________0_

0______00___0__0_______000_0_0___00__00____00___________00__00___

7-bits-systemet:

____000_____0_0_____0_0_0_______0___00_0___0_00_0____0___0____0__

___0_______00______00__0__0____00____0_0_______0__________0_0____

____0______00___0__00_0_0_____000______________0____0_0__________

__0__________________0_______00_____0______0____0_00_0_____0_0___

_00_______0____0__0_0__0____0__0__________0_0_____0_0_____0_0____

_______0______00___0__00___0_0______________________0_0_00_00___0

0_____00_______0_______0____00__________________0____0__0_0__0_0_

8-bits-systemet:

_______________________________0__0______________________________

________________000000_000000_____0___0__00__000__0000___0___0___

__________________________000____________0___0____0_0____________

______________0______0__00__0____________________________________

____________00_____00__0_0_0__________0___0___00___0_0___0___0___

___0000___00_0___00_0___________0________________________________

_00__00___00_0___00_0____________0______0___0__0_0___0_000_00__00

0_0_0_0__0_0_0__0_0_0____________0___00__00_000__0000__0___0___0_

9-bits-systemet:

_00______0_00_0__0____0_______0_0_______00____0_00____0______0___

_0_0_____0_0___0_0__00_0_________0____________00__0______0_____0_

____0______0____0_____000___0______0_0__0__0_0_____________0_____

___000_____0_____0____0_00______________00_0________0_0____00____

_____0____________0______0___0____0_0_____0_0__0____00_________0_

_____0_________0___0____00__00_______0_______0_____0_________0___

______________0000_____________________0_0____00______________0__

_________0______0_00_0____________0__0_0__0__0__________0______0_

00______0000____0_0___0________0_____00_0____00__0_0____00____0__

10-bits-systemet:

0___0___00___________00____0_____0___0______00___________________

____0___0___00_0___0__0__0_0____0___0___0______________00__00____

_0________0__0____0___________0______0____0__0_______0_0_________

_00_______00__0_0__00________0___0__0___00___________0____000_0__

__________0___00_________00_________0___0_0_______0___0_____0____

___0______0__00__0__00____0___0__0___0___0_______00______0___000_

________________0___00___________0_0___0_______0___0_________0___

___00__00_____0_00____0___________00__00__0___00_______0___0_____

____0___0_______0_____0_________0____0___00_0___00_______0______0

0____0___0_____00__0___0_______0____0___0__00_______0___0___0____

11-bits-systemet:

__0_________0______00_____00________0_____0_00____00____0___0____

0__0__________00_0__0________00_____000_0____0__0____0_0___0_____

___0_____0____0___0_0___________0000_____0_0____0_0____00__00_0__

_________0_0_000___________0_______0_00_____0_0___00_____0___00__

_0__0_0__00_0_0___0___________0__________0_______0____0_______0_0

_0__0__0_0__0_____00___0_________00____________________________0_

__0_0__0______0____0_____0____0_____000_______________0_____00_0_

_____________0___0_______0____0__00___0________0_____0_0__0_____0

________0___00______0__0____00___0________________0_0_0__________

___0____0____000____0___0______00____0_00______________0_____0__0

0_______00_______00_____0_______0_0_____0_00___________0_________

12-bits-systemet:

________0___0___0_____________0_________0_________________0___0__

__0___0_0__0_0_0_0_______0_0___0_0_0___________000__0_00____0__0_

0_____0_0________0________00____00__0_____0_0_________0___0_0____

__0_____000_____________0_____0_0_0_0_______0_0__00____0____0_00_

_____________0_0_________0_____0___0___________0_____________0_0_

___0___0___0000_0_0__0______0_0___0___0_______0___0_____00______0

_0_0___0___0_0____0__________000___0_0_0_____00___0__0___0___0___

_0_____0_____00_0________0_0_0___0_____0___0___0_0_____0_0___0_0_

________0_________0__0_0____0_____0___0_________________0___0___0

__0_0______000___0_0___0_______0___0_____0_________00_____00_____

____0_______0______0__0____________0__0_0_0________0______0______

0___0_0_____0____0_0__0_____0_0___0_______0___0___0_0___0_______0

Når man "ses" på de forskellige bits-systemer, da mener jeg, at *et* af

bits-systemerne udskiller sig klart fra resten i kraft af, at nogle

"fornuftige" tal fremkommer (1,2,3,4,5,6,7 ...)

> > Desuden finder jeg det naturligt at kategorisere atomer efter deres

> > protontal. De oplagte alternativer er neutrontal og nukleontal. Men

> > kulstof-14 (6 protoner og 8 neutroner) har nu engang langt mere til

> > fælles med kulstof-12 (samme protontal) end med ilt-16 (samme

> > neutrontal) eller kvælstof-14 (samme nukleontal).

>

> Man kunne for eksempel nummerere dem efter antal frie bindinger, som

> søjlerne i det periodiske system. Eller noget helt andet vi slet ikke

> har tænkt på, fordi vores naturvidenskabelige verdensbillede ikke har

> samme udviklingshistorie som deres.

Dersom vi forsøger at definere atomerne efter deres antal af frie bindinger,

da vil vi hurtigt få alvorlige problemer. Fx. har O (ilt) og S (svovl) samme

antal, hvorfor denne definition er et dårligt valg.

> Men det er rigtig at *hvis* deres beskrivelse af naturlovene ligner

> vores nok til at vi overhovedet har noget at tale om, *så* vil de nok

> på et eller andet tidspunkt begynde at tænke på antal protoner i

> kernen.

Ja, vi må gå ud fra, at de har lært at tælle ... :-)

> Men det kræver (antageligvis) er meget større spring for ET, end for

> en person der er vandt til at nummerere atomer efter protoner, ...

Kemisk set er der logik i dette system, og de kemiske naturlove gør sig

gældende i så godt som næsten hele Universet.

> ... og inddele bits i potioner af 8.

Se ovenfor.

Som sagt:

Tak for din *konstruktive* kritik, Per ... :-)

Med venlig hilsen,

Mogens Kall, The servant of Michael

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