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Islam does not seem to me to be a particularly difficult subject, but is often made into one.
Hassan Haz - This is a very offensive comment - which I find to be part of a quite badly thought through narrative:
Hassan Haz - This is a very offensive comment - which I find to be part of a quite badly thought through narrative:
"So all you on here , stop ranting about halal / kosher and non halal /kosher meat. Just say that you are only a bunch of islamaphobe racists that enjoy eating halal / kosher meat but hate the Muslims and Islam because you have nothing else better to do or say."
"So all you on here , stop ranting about halal / kosher and non halal /kosher meat. Just say that you are only a bunch of islamaphobe racists that enjoy eating halal / kosher meat but hate the Muslims and Islam because you have nothing else better to do or say."
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This - Hassan Haz - is a very offensive comment - which I find to be part of a quite badly thought through narrative:
The native population of Britain are/have always been very welcoming to millions of Muslims - from all parts of the world - the majority of whom live and work among us in happy partnership - and are given respect and equal treatment.
It is you who is ranting.
Like most rants what you are saying - even taking the short extract above (from your full, lengthy, rant below) - is - self evidently - nonsense.
Islam is not a race - it is both a religion and an ideology.
People from the (five) DIFFERENT RACES are of the Muslim faith. Just as people from different RACES are of the Christian faith.
And so if we did "hate Muslims" as you claim - that would not be a racist view (whereas hating all Black people is).
'Race' refers to a person's physical characteristics, such as bone structure and skin, hair, or eye colour.
It is Ethnicity that refers to cultural factors, including nationality, regional culture, ancestry, and language.
We can each have more than one ethnicities but we are each said to have one race, even if it's "mixed race".
Muslims come from all races and most if not all ethnicities.
We British are generally open to Muslims per se - and Christians per se - and Buddhists, Hindus and all - BUT, find SOME Muslims bring very dirty habits and undesirable practices with them into our country - whereby any sane group of people would either want to reject entry - or stop those practices.
An unacceptably high percentage of Pakistani Muslim men involve themselves in grooming young (non-Muslim) girls into alcohol drugs and gang rape. Or put another way grooming gang convictions involve a very high percentage of Pakistani Muslim men.
Hardly any Muslims of other ethnicities behave that way.
We British will not tolerate those dirty activities in our country. That is not anti-Muslim - nor anti-Pakistani - nor anti-men. It is anti-'men who groom girls for gang rape' - be they from any ethnicity.
A larger than acceptable percentage of Christian Priests and Nuns have been shown to be sadistic and paedophilic. We British will not tolerate those dirty activities in our country and our view of them is no softer or different to our view of grooming gangs.
Animal Slaughter
Ever since it has been possible to painlessly stun animals before slaughtering them - thereby removing the from conscious pain or suffering as they are being killed - Britain has done so.
We do not deride our forefathers - all the way back to the Jews of Roman times including Jesus - because they could not - and so did not, have the capacity to painlessly stun animals.
But it is now our widespread practice - that is supported - in fact demanded and expected - by the vast majority of British people - and we have been deceived by our politicians and the food industry - who have allowed the alternative non-stunning practice to become commonplace.
If other countries want to ignore stunning that is a matter for them.
Or even if small religious groups in this country are able to make their own arrangements that can satisfy the authorities - then so long as it is supervised under British law - that is part of the compromise of diversity.
If it has to be, because it is reasonable, then it should be CONFINED to Halal and Kosher butchers - where it is plain what is being purchased. Halal or Kosher meat should not be able to be purchased by accident.
Any product made from non-stunned meat should be MARKED as such on menus and labels and wrappers.
A supply chain of non-stunned meat can not be allowed - or allowed to become - the norm here.
I (nor many millions like me) do not want to eat meat from animals that have died in more fear and stress and pain and bewilderment that is absolutely necessary.
It must be stopped.
And I must not be fed Hala/Kosha without being warned, and with the option not to eat it.
If un-stunned meat everywhere you go, is what you, Hassan Haz, want out of life - go and live somewhere else where that is accepted as the norm.
Islamaphobe racists
AS for your "you are only a bunch of Islamaphobe racist" statement - you are allowing your mouth to run off, and defeat your brain.
There is no such thing in the English language as an Islamaphobe.
It is two words Islam and Phobia, stuck together into a slang phrase.
A Phobia is a type of anxiety disorder, defined by a persistent and excessive fear of an object (spiders) or situation (heights).
What I am describing above - as regards Christian Pedophiles - Pakistani Rape Gangs - and the overuse - or widening use - of the non-stunned slaughter of animals - is not a Phobia.
It is an attitude - of intense dislike - or even hatred - held by many people - about certain types of behaviour.
It is not irrational.
It is not a fear of Muslims.
It is not confined to all, or even most Muslims - though in SOME groups of Muslims there are a number of Muslim based behaviours I - and all British people - want to see the end of in Britain.
These include Female Genital Mutilation (FGM), forced marriages, the suppression of women's equality, Sharia courts or any form of claimed authority over British citizens, and - the slaughter of animals for food that are not FIRST stunned so as not to be aware of what is taking place.
These practices are NOT acceptable to the wider population in Britain - and should not be allowed anywhere in Britain.
In the main they are unlawful/illegal.
That view IS recognised, accepted, and shared, by millions of perfectly decent Muslims living here in peace and happiness.
Hassan Haz - full rant:
Hassan Haz - full rant:
Why do you all hate "halal " or "kosher" slaughter on here? Everyone of you has eaten halal/kosher meat on here everytime you have gone out for an Indian or takeaway or kebab after drinks, and you all enjoyed eating it. All halal / kosher meat is the draining of blood by cutting the jugular vein of an animal so the animal does not feel any pain and it does not go into shock and release toxins into its muscles due to the pain and shock by all other methods. Any other method of slaughter is cruel and painful to the animal , but ignorant uneducated Islam hating folk out there would tell you otherwise. Halal meat tastes sweeter and nicer than non halal meat as its clean meat overall and everyone that has eaten the two will testify to it. So all you on here , stop ranting about halal / kosher and non halal /kosher meat. Just say that you are only a bunch of islamaphobe racists that enjoy eating halal / kosher meat but hate the Muslims and Islam because you have nothing else better to do or say
Many years ago I read a research paper in one of the british medical Journals on halal meat and the slaughter of animals the halal way and the scientific research they conducted concluded with the scientific findings that slitting of the jugular vein of the animal ensures that the animal does not endure any pain which by any other method causes pain and toxins to be released into the animals blood stream and also leading to the toxifying of its meat. The bmj researchers carried out intensive research and concluded that halal meat was cleaner , less toxifying and and the animal had a painless merciful death. They also concluded that people that eat halal meat all their lives did not get brown skin pigmentation on their body skin as halal meat is not toxic compared to non halal meat which when eaten releases toxins into the person eating haram meat and thereby acquiring brown toxic pigments on their skin. Also the researchers found that halal kosher meat tasted sweeter better and cleaner than non halal meat. The researchers were not muslim and if any of you have access to the bmj journals archives then you can come across everything i have just mentioned. This scientific research findings carried out in a bmj journal strengthens my belief that halal / kosher meat is more beneficial to consume than non halal meat and the slaughter method is more merciful and peaceful than any other method out there. If you get a suicidal person that has a choice to use a razor to cut their veins and peacefully bleed away ,or an axe to the neck , or stun gun , or shock treatment or a shot to the head , i can guarantee that it would be a razor to the veins as its the least painful and most merciful method, unless you like pain or giving pain like most on this group then you will choose any of the latter. Also, Jesus was a jewish rabbi and all prophets ate halal/kosher meat. There is no word called Christianity in the bible, so christianity is actually a sect of judaism. So jews and Muslims are forbidden to eat pork and they are all circumcised, so jesus too did not eat pork and was circumcised and only ate halal kosher meat. So unless all you on this group are atheist, and hate all abrahamic religions, then you need to be more tolerant towards other peoples beliefs and faiths as its each individuals /their freedom to eat halal/kosher or non halal meat and not for you or anyone else to dictate especially when you possess no knowledge and are ignorant to the truth
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