Timber tramway, near Belgrave, Victoria
Photographer: Phyllis Bromby 1888-1978,
Date: 1911
State Library of Victoria photo : http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/110122
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"A 3ft. 0in. gauge timber tramway, powered by horses, was formerly operated into Belgrave from the Dandenong State Forest Reserve north of the railway. Leaving the station yard on the 'down' side of the line, the tramway climbed to road level, crossed the road over-bridge beyond the station to the 'up' side of the railway, thence descended in an are to cross Monbulk Creek and pass under the railway trestle bridge spanning the creek.
A short distance northwards, the tram line junctioned to form two routes extending to timber mills in the valleys of Monbulk Creek and Hardy's Creek, each mill being a little more than two miles from Belgrave. It is believed that the tramway was in operation for some 15 years until the late 1920's."
Notes from Frank Stamford and Robert Smith on the location of the Tramway
Frank Stamford : Hello Jenny. Thank you very much for publishing that web page, there is some very interesting material there. One thing which concerns me is the story that the tramway came over the road bridge and into Belgrave station yard. There does not seem to be any reliable evidence dating from the time the tramway operated to support that. It does not show up in any photographs. I think the tramway terminated at the trestle bridge, and the timber was transferred there to the road and taken into the station by road. Permission would have been needed from various authorities to take the tramway along the road and over the bridge, but despite searches such evidence has not been found. The maps on your web page are extremely interesting, and I think they may show the tramway pretty much to its full extent.
Robert Smith : There was 3 foot tramway that was established around 1910 that ran in an easterly direction from just beyond the Down end of the trestle bridge. There is a photograph of it taken from the bridge but I can't recall where I came across it.
Bullocky Bill Martin and his team of 8 bullocks hauling a log to a Belgrave saw mill.
This photograph, from an original posted at Old Ferntree Gully Shire. , is undated, but it's likely to have been taken about 1915-1920.
Photo courtesy of : Lost Dandenongs ( facebook page )
Photo is part of a collection donated to the Southern Sherbrooke Historical Society.
*Emerald bullocky Jim Legge's team parked on the Selby side of the creek
(on Patrick Gannon's land) at the bottom of Stoney Road, then the only road,
circa just pre-1910,
The Legge brothers were 2nd generation teamsters and ran two 8 to 10-beast bullock teams, using one to snig logs to the bush mills, the other carting sawn timber to the trains.The brothers mainly worked their teams at Cockatoo, Gembrook and Beenak
*A log on the tramway en-route to Mahony's mill about 1910.
D.W. McKenzie is in charge.
Tramways went upstream from the mill into the forest following the two creek branches to their sources and another from mill to train station yard. Logs were pulled up hills when necessary by steam winches but generally horses provided the motive power and things were usually organised so the mill lay downhill.
There is a bullock team facing up the hill in the background.
J.T. Mahony had mills firstly at the top of Sandells Road, then on Station St, then Cook's Corner at Kallista where he winched timber uphill and carted water for his Ruston-Proctor steam winch from Beagley's bridge and then consigned sawn timber down Jackson's Hill Road to the train at The Tanks/Landslide site before setting up upstream from the railway bridge.
He had a 3-foot gauge tramway from the mill passing under the bridge and up the Clematis Creek to Belgrave, curving in an arc to the old Belgrave narrow-gauge station, via the road bridge over the railway, the main street and then down to the railway yard. The mill was burnt out in large fires in 1914, rebuilt and the mill and tramway operated for 15 years until 1927.
George Holden and others had sawlogged the upper Hardy's Gully and the Monbulk Creek headwaters from Kallista already. There had been sawmills in the Monbulk Forest since the 1880's and paling spitters since the 1860's. The remaining timber by this time was considered of very poor quality by earlier standards. The timber-getting was at it's height between 1910 and 1916 when most of the trees were harvested.
1920 Map
Tourist map of Dandenong Ranges, Wandin and Gembrook districts [cartographic material] / photo-lithographed at the Department of Lands and Survey, Melbourne by W.J. Butson, 17.9.20.
Victoria. Department of Crown Lands and Survey.
Melbourne : The Dept. 1920
1926 Map
Tourist map of Dandenong Ranges, Fern Tree Gully and Gembrook district [cartographic material] / photo-lithographed at the Department of Lands and Survey, Melbourne, by W.J. Butson
Victoria. Department of Crown Lands and Survey.
[Melbourne : H.J. Green, Govt. Printer [for the] Minister for Lands 1926
1928 Map
Tourist map of Dandenong Ranges, Fern Tree Gully and Gembrook district [cartographic material] / drawn in the Crown Lands Department, August 1928.
Victoria. Department of Crown Lands and Survey.
[Melbourne : The Dept. 1928
1933 Map
Tourist map of Dandenong Ranges, Fern Tree Gully and Gembrook district [cartographic material] / compiled by the Tourists Resorts' Committee, Victoria ; compiled at the Crown Lands Department, Melbourne, April, 1933 ; photo-lithographed at the Department of Lands and Survey, Melbourne, 6.4.33.
Victoria. Tourists' Resorts Committee.
Melbourne : H.G. Green, Govt. Printer 1933
http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/190182
This is the last map that the Timber Tramway is shown on
Bullock team bringing timber down to the mill [picture].
Phyllis Bromby 1888-1978, photographer.
1911
Near Belgrave, Victoria [bullock team] [picture].
Phyllis Bromby 1888-1978, photographer.
1911
Mahoney's timber mill at Belgrave, Victoria, showing a bullock team hauling a log on a solid-wheel timber jinker. The mill was at the top of Sandells Road and was begun in 1907. C.1915.
Mahoney's timber mill at Belgrave
AT THE SAW-MILL, - WAITING FOR THEIR LOAD.
Timber railway tracks, possibly in the Dandenong Ranges, Victoria]
Frank Ernest Allen photographer.
[1909]
Group portrait on timber train line, Olinda Creek Valley, Victoria]
J. P Beveridge photographer.
1905
Timber workers with load of sawn wood on horse drawn cart
Lindsay G Cumming 1894-1979, photographer.
[ca. 1910-ca. 1930]
Timber tramway, showing horse-drawn vehicles carting timberRobert O'Brien photographer.[ca. 1900-ca. 1910] http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/42176
The Blackwoods Monbulk Creek, Belgrave
G. G. M., photographer.
[ca. 1914-ca. 1916]
A TRACK THROUGH THE FOREST, BELGRAVE, VICTORIA.
Rose Stereograph Co
[c1920-1954]
FERN GULLY AT BELGRAVE, VICTORIA.
Rose Stereograph Co
[c1920-1954]
MONBULK RIVER VALLEY, BELGRAVE.
Rose Stereograph Co
[c1920-1954]
http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/65970
Belgrave Railway Station
1911
Photographs / J.G. Roberts.
J. G Roberts (John Garibaldi), 1860-1933.
Picture no. 52 Album Page 47
Section close up of Belgrave Railway Station
1911
Photographs / J.G. Roberts.
J. G Roberts (John Garibaldi), 1860-1933.
Picture no. 52 Album Page 47
Steam train, possibly Puffing Billy [picture]
G. G. M., photographer.
[ca. 1914-ca. 1916]
THE RAILWAY STATION, BELGRAVE, VICTORIA
Date: [c1920-1954]
Postcard - Rose Stereograph Co
Series note: Rose series; P. 1837
Belgrave Railway Station with oxen in foreground
Postcard - Belgrave
ca. 1907
Photo by Charlie Hammond taken at Belgrave after the derailment 28th Jan 1906
photo courtesy of The Lost Dandenongs ( Facebook )
Near Belgrave, Victoria - bullock team on road
Phyllis Bromby 1888-1978, photographer.
1911
Puffing Bill crossing trestle bridge, Belgrave
Carl Reinhold Hartmann 1889-1972 photographer.
[ca. 1920-ca. 1960] 1920
http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/105612
[note the picture was reversed and has been flipped to show how the bridge is in reality ]
TRAIN CROSSING THE HORSESHOE BRIDGE, BELGRAVE, VIC. [picture]
Rose Stereograph Co
State Library of Victoria Photo Image H32492/439
http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/65612
The bridge is 85 metres long, 12 metres high at its highest point and comprises 14 spans of 6 metres, curved to a radius of 20 metres. The bridge has a tight 3 chain curvature. It was constructed in 1899, from local, native bush timbers.
6 MAGNIFICENT VIEWS OF BELGRAVE
Postcard booklet
Date: [ca. 1935]
MONBULK ROAD, BELGRAVE
[Melbourne] : Valentine Publishing Co. Pty. Ltd.
[ca. 1930]
http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/374672
Dandenong Advertiser and Cranbourne, Berwick and Oakleigh Advocate
Thu 15 Jul 1915
Spectator and Methodist Chronicle
Fri 31 Dec 1915
Dandenong Advertiser and Cranbourne, Berwick and Oakleigh Advocate (Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Thursday 31 January 1918 p 2 Article
DANDENONG WATER SUPPLY. Inspection Report.
South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Thursday 14 March 1918 p 3 Article
... a very long report on the Water catchment pollution mentioning sawmills and bullock teams with in the catchment area
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article66193683
A Silent Movie - Made 1920
from the the National Film and Sound Archive
http://aso.gov.au/titles/documentaries/bush-bungalow/
Produced at a time when the timber industry was considered romantic, Bush Bungalow shows the power of nature and man’s ability to conquer it. Which gives us a glimpse into what the working and living conditions would have been like at the Sawmill and on the Timber Tramway
Timber carted to the mill
Logs treated at the mill
Mill township
Timber Tramways on the Gembrook Line by Mark Plummer & John Thompson
Narrow Gauge No.146 Sept 1997 Page 12 - 14
Belgrave 1900-1958 http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~narrow.gauge/belg1.htm
Old Puff Pictures
http://esoteric-inkworks.tripod.com/friendsofthetrestlebridge/id4.html
State Library of Victoria - Photos
Lost Emerald Facebook page
National Film and Sound Archive
http://aso.gov.au/titles/documentaries/bush-bungalow/
Trove Newspapers
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