Vote Stein to Stop the Genocide

There is another way Stein and everyone who wants the genocide to stop can win. In addition to the obvious way of Stein winning 270 electoral votes, there is a scenario where she would only need to win 13 electoral votes and then in the next phase just 26 state votes of the 50 that will be cast if the 12th Amendment kicks in. NOTE: This is how the Stein campaign could put pressure on our government officials to end the genocide. I'm saying this is another possibility that could have great leverage because, during the time that is described in the following, we could all be saying that the names of those guilty of continuing the genocide will be recorded and however long it takes we will eventually see to it that these people are prosecuted for any role they had in aiding and abetting the genocide. So other than winning 270 electoral votes, there is another way we can win (both a public platform to make threats AND a possibility that 26 people will be pressured into doing the right thing and voting for Stein!) 

What is another electoral vote divided between the Democratic, Republican and Green Party where none get 270 electoral votes? The latter can get enough votes to prevent the other two from attaining 270. Can you lay out a scenario but without the Green Party getting a third of the votes? Something like an almost even split between Democratic and Republican, and the Green Party gets enough to prevent either Democratic or Republican from attaining 270?

A: Given that you're asking about hypothetical electoral college scenarios, I should note that I'll help explore this as a theoretical exercise without commenting on any real elections or making predictions.

Let's work through a mathematically possible scenario. The total electoral votes is 538, so 270 is needed for a majority.

Here's one possible scenario:

• Democratic: 260 electoral votes

• Republican: 265 electoral votes

• Green: 13 electoral votes

In this case:

• The major parties would be close to evenly split

• The Green Party would win a small but crucial number of electoral votes

• No party reaches 270

• Total equals 538

This could hypothetically occur if the Green Party won a few smaller states or one medium-sized state while the major parties split the rest nearly evenly.

When no candidate gets 270 electoral votes, the election would go to the House of Representatives, where each state delegation gets one vote.

Would you like me to explain more about how the House contingent election process works in this scenario?

Yes.

Alright, let me explain the House contingent election process in this scenario:

When no candidate gets 270 electoral votes, the 12th Amendment kicks in. Here's how it works:

1. Only the House of Representatives votes, but with special rules:

   • Each state gets ONE vote total, regardless of its size

   • Only the top THREE candidates in electoral votes get considered (in our scenario, that's Democratic, Republican, and Green candidates)

   • State delegations must decide among themselves how their state will vote

   • A candidate needs 26 state votes to win (majority of 50 states)

2. State Delegation Voting:

   • If a state has 6 Republican Representatives and 4 Democratic ones, that state's single vote would likely go Republican

   • If a state delegation is evenly split, they might deadlock and not cast a vote

   • A state needs a majority of its Representatives to agree to cast its one vote

3. Meanwhile, the Senate would choose the Vice President between the top two VP candidates only, with each Senator getting one vote.

4. Timing:

   • This would happen when the new Congress convenes in January

   • If the House fails to choose a President by Inauguration Day (January 20), the Vice President chosen by the Senate would become Acting President

This has only happened twice in U.S. history: in 1800 (Jefferson vs. Burr) and 1824 (John Quincy Adams won despite having fewer electoral votes than Andrew Jackson).

Let me clarify the constitutional timeline for this process:

The 12th Amendment and 20th Amendment together establish these key dates:

1. December: The Electoral College meets and votes

2. January 6th: Congress meets in joint session to count electoral votes

3. January 3rd: New Congress begins

4. January 20th at noon: Presidential term ends

If no candidate gets 270 electoral votes, the House contingent election must begin after January 6th (when they officially confirm no winner) but before January 20th at noon. The Constitution doesn't specify exact timing within this window, only the deadline of January 20th.

So yes, this process could theoretically continue right up until January 20th at noon. If the House remains deadlocked at that point:

1. If the Senate has successfully chosen a Vice President, that person becomes Acting President

2. If the Senate also fails to choose a VP, then the Presidential Succession Act kicks in, making the Speaker of the House Acting President

The House can keep voting even after January 20th until they reach a decision. There's no constitutional time limit on how long they can take to eventually choose a President. During this time, whoever is Acting President (either the Senate-chosen VP or the Speaker) would continue serving until the House makes its choice.

This actually happened in 1801 - it took 36 ballots over several days before Jefferson was chosen, though this was before the 20th Amendment set the January 20th deadline.

Another answer to the first question at the top: 

I aim to think through this carefully to create a plausible electoral map scenario. Let me set it up step by step.

For a three-way electoral split preventing a 270 majority (out of 538 total EVs), we'll want:

1. Democrats and Republicans relatively close to each other

2. Green Party winning just enough states to block a majority

3. Keep it realistic by having Green Party win environmentally-conscious states

Here's a potential scenario:

Democrats: 263 electoral votes Republicans: 259 electoral votes
Green Party: 16 electoral votes by winning:

• Vermont (3 EV)

• Hawaii (4 EV)

• Oregon (7 EV)

• Maine's 2nd District (1 EV)

• Maine statewide (1 EV)

This gives the Green Party only specific environmentally-conscious regions while keeping their total vote share relatively low. The Democrats and Republicans would be nearly evenly split across the rest of the country, with neither reaching 270.

In this case, the election would go to the House of Representatives, where each state delegation gets one vote.