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I Don’t Believe In A PreTribulation Rapture! Part One
by Jeffrey L Girling
I’m writing this article to give my opinion concerning the rapture. I don’t believe in a pretribulation rapture as many Christians do, because I see too many scriptures in the Bible which contradict the pretribulation rapture theory.
One of the first things I will do here is speak about the resurrection, because Paul said in 1Thessalonians 4:16 that the dead in Christ shall rise first, and after that in vese 17 he stated that those Christians still alive will be caught up into the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, which is what many Christians refer to as the rapture.
So the first point I will be making is that the resurrection will take place before the rapture. I will also be giving scripture that places the resurrection at the end of the tribulation period, because if the resurrection takes place at the end of the tribulation period, then so does the rapture, because the dead in Christ will rise first before the rapture according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
The Pretribulation Rapture theory is contrary to what Jesus said in John 6:39,40, where Jesus said he would raise up all who the Father gives to him on the last day, which means he will raise up the Church on the last day. (Not seven years before the last day.) Remember that 1 Thessalonians 4:16 says the dead in Christ will rise first, or they will be resurrected first right before the rapture, but Jesus said he wouldn't resurrect them until the last day. (See John 6:39,40 below.)
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Now I will start with Revelation 20:4-6. I have underlined in blue color the key words I want the reader to notice. Notice in verse 4 those who have been beheaded, and who didn’t worship the beast, nor take his mark in their foreheads or in their hands, which would apply to Christians who went through the tribulation, because it’s during the tribulation when the beast will cause many to receive his mark.
Notice also that they shall reign with Christ a thousand years. Notice also in verse 5 and 6 that this is the first resurrection, which Christians who went through the tribulation, and didn’t worship the beast, or receive his mark are included in this first resurrection, which will take place before the rapture according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
This first resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 follows the tribulation, because it includes Christians who had to go through the tribulation. The rapture can’t take place until the first resurrection has occurred, and Rev. 20:6 puts the first resurrection at the end of the tribulation, and the resurrection includes Christians, who will go through the tribulation, and Paul said the dead in Christ will rise first before the Christians still alive wil meet the Lord in the air, so the rapture can't take place until the First Resurrection in Rev, 20:6 takes place at the end of the tribulation. (Again: 1 Thessalonians 4:16)
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and
I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the
first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
The next scripture I’ll give comes from the book of Daniel. If you notice Daniel 11:36 below and read it up through chapter 12:3, then you might notice that 11:36 starts speaking about a king who appears to be the endtime antichrist. Notice this wicked king, who I perceive as the antichrist comes to his end in Daniel 11:45, then Chapter 12 continues the story, and the resurrection happens in 12:2.
My Point: This resurrection takes place after the antichrist is destroyed, so it appears from this scripture that the rapture takes place toward the end of the Great tribulation, because the resurrection takes place after the antichrist is destroyed, and the resurrection is suppose to happen before the rapture according to 1 Thessalonians 4:16, when Paul said the dead in Christ shall rise first, and then in verse 17, Paul says those still alive will be caught up to the Lord.
Summary: Antichrist destroyed in Daniel 11:45, then the resurrection Daniel 12:2, and then the rapture has to follow the resurrection, which means the rapture has to happen after the antichrist is destroyed. Rememember that the division between Chapter 11 and 12 was put in by the Church later, so we should continue into chapter 12 after chapter 11 as if the division wasn’t there, looking at chapters 11 and 12 as the same chapter. Infact! Chapter 12 starts out saying “At that time” Well what time is it referring to? It’s referring to the time the antichrist is destroyed right before it at the end of Chapter 11. (Again! I have underlined and colored blue the scripture I want the reader to notice. I will insert into parenthesis helping words to bring out the point. Please notice that the resurrection follows the destruction of the antichrist, so the resurrection comes after the tribulation period, and the rapture can’t happen until after the resurrection according to 1 Thessalonians 4:16
Daniel 11:36
And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished(antichrist): for that that is determined shall be done.
37 *Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 *But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 *Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
40 *And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 *He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
42 *He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
43 *But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44 *But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
45 *And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. (Destruction of the antichrist preceeding the resurrection in 12:2 below)
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 *And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life(resurrection), and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 *And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever
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I personally believe in the prewrath theory of the rapture, which means the rapture could take place right before Jesus Christ pours out His indignation unto a rebellious and ungodly world.
We can read in Revelation 19:11 and forward when Jesus sits on a white horse and goes out to make war, or pours out God’s wrath unto the nations, which I refer to as His indignation, but we clearly see the bride is already with the bridegroom in the beginning of Revelation chapter 19, so that indicates the Church has already been raptured before He pours out His indignation. That’s why I believe the Church will be raptured right before He pours out His wrath or indignation.
Having said all that I will make my next point, which will be just a small one, but I believe it says it all.
See Isaiah 26:20,21 below, where the Lord says Come my people into my chambers. (Rapture) But when does he say that? Right before the Lord is about to pour out His indignation or wrath upon the inhabitants of the earth.
So if you reread my other comments above and fit it with this scripture, then you will see that the Lord pours out his wrath upon earth in Daniel 12:1, right after the antichrist is destroyed in Daniel 11:45.
So I believe the indigation of the Lord will be His own doing, and not wrath He's using Satan to carry out through the tribulation, which pretrib preachers will preach.
I believe the Lord's indignation or wrath is poured out on earth after the antichrist is destroyed, as Daniel 11:45 and Daniel 12:1 indicate. I believe the Lord raptures His people right before He pours out His wrath on earth, like Isaiah 26:20,21 indicate.(Again! Notice the underlined and blue portions)
Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers,(rapture) and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
I will now make my next point why I believe in a prewrath rapture, and not a pretrib rapture.
Look at 1Thessalonians 4:15 -18 below, where we get the rapture theory from. But then go on to read 1Thessalonians 5:1,2, because Paul is still talking about the same subject which continues into chapter 5, just like Daniel 11 continued into Daniel 12 above.
Notice in I Thessalonians 5:2 that the "
Day of the Lord" is the same event as the "Thief in the night." Most Prophecy experts I know will speak about the "Rapture" and "Thief in the night" as the same event. So Paul is indicating the rapture, thief in the night, and the day of the Lord are all the same event if you read from 1Thessalonians 4:15 through 5:2. Remember that the chapter breaks weren't in the original text, because chapter breaks were put in by the Church later.
Then notice in 2 Thessalonians 2:1(His second letter to the Thessalonians) That Paul is speaking about the rapture again, when he says "by our gathering together unto him."
Then still on the same rapture topic, he says in 2Thessalonians 2:3 that the day of the Lord can't come until the son of perdition is revealed, which means the antichrist has to be revealed first, before the day of the Lord comes, and the day of the Lord is the same event as the rapture according to Paul in 1Thessalonians 4:15 through 5:2. See scriptures from both 1Thessalonians and 2 Thessalonians below. But also notice in 2Thessalonians 2:2, that Paul refers to his first letter to the Thessalonians concerning the rapture.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 *For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 *Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 *Wherefore comfort one another with these words. (Now Continue Into Chapter 5. Paul Isn’t Finished yet!)
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 *For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. (Both the day of the Lord and thief in the night are the same event with the rapture, which he is still referring to from chapter 4.)
NOW LOOK AT THE SCRIPTURE BELOW FROM HIS SECOND LETTER TO THE THESSALONIANS.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (Rature)
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us (His first letter to the Thessalonians above), as that the day of Christ is at hand(Day Of The Lord).
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. (The antichrist will come and be revealed before the Day Of The Lord, which is the same event as the rapture and thief of in the night according to Paul in I Thessalonians 5:2 we studied from above.) Which means the antichrist will be here before the rapture.
Now here's another reason why I believe in the prewrath rapture theory.
See 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 below. Paul is referring to the rapture, when he starts talking about being changed in a twinkling of an eye in verses 51,52. You might also notice it will happen at the last trump.
But notice in verses 54,55, where Paul talks about "Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
He's quoting fron Isaiah 25:8, but notice in Isaiah 25:7-9, that the words "He will swallow up death in victory" are in the context of when the cast over the Lord's people will be destroyed in Isaiah 25:7 (Israel!), and also all nations, which means the earth is filled with the knowledge of the Lord then.
The thing is: Isaiah chapters 25 and 26 are about a song that will be sung, when the Lord comes for His people, and then chapter 26 finishes with the Lord saying come into my chambers, while I pour out my indignation(wrath) on the inhabitants of the earth in Isaiah 26:20,21 which we read above.
Bottom Line: If the Church was raptured before a 7 year tribulation at end times, then there would still be death to Christians and Jews saved during the tribulation, so the song Paul quotes from Isaiah about death being swallowed up couldn't be sung yet during the tribulation.(It will be sung after the rapture)
Which means that the changing in the "twinkling of an eye" comes when death to all Christians and Israel is swallowed up in victory, when there won't be any death or tribulation for Jews and Christians after the rapture.
That's one of the holes in the pretribulation theory. Isaiah 25 is referring to the nation of Israel as well as Christians. Pretrib theory teaches that the 7 year end time tribulation will be a time of Jacob's trouble. (Israel's trouble) But Paul quotes from Isaiah 25:8, which also pertains to Israel, and says death is swallowed up in victory, so there isn't anymore death to Israel or Christians in Isaiah 25:8, which Paul quotes from in the same context as the "changing in a twinkling of an eye", which is the same event as the rapture. (See Scriptures below!)
1 Corinthians 15:51
*Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.(Rapture)
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
(The song the Jews will be singing along with Christians after the tribulation when death will be no more when Jesus Christ raptures the Church. Jews won’t be raptured until after the Tribulation) .
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding.
in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord
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Now Read The Scripture Below, which Paul quotes from in Isaiah referring to a
time when we will be changed in a twinkling of an eye. (Rapture): But also remember it was in Isaiah 26:20,21 where the Lord says come into my chambers, while I pour out my indignation.
Isaiah Chapters 25 and 26 are both part of the same time when Israel will be singing because of her deliverance, and so will the Church be singing with Israel, because Isaiah 25 is all part of Isaiah 26:20,21
.(The Rapture)
Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation (All this part of Isaiah 26:20,21 below. Rapture)………………………………..
Isaiah 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
I Don’t Believe In A PreTribulation Rapture! Part Two
I Don’t Believe In A PreTribulation Rapture! Part Two
by Jeffrey L Girling
by Jeffrey L Girling
I could continue to give more reasons why I believe in the PreWrath theory of the rapture, but it would require a book, and I only intended to write a chapter here. But I would like to write a little bit about some of the scriptures pretribers give in support of their pretribulation theories, because I can count on my hands most of the scriptures given to support pretribulation rapture, and I don’t believe some of those scriptures mean what pretribers think they do.
I could continue to give more reasons why I believe in the PreWrath theory of the rapture, but it would require a book, and I only intended to write a chapter here. But I would like to write a little bit about some of the scriptures pretribers give in support of their pretribulation theories, because I can count on my hands most of the scriptures given to support pretribulation rapture, and I don’t believe some of those scriptures mean what pretribers think they do.
But first let’s address what we most likely will agree about. We might agree that the tribulation needs to be properly defined. Pretrib teaches a 7 year tribulation. (Perhaps 31/2 peaceful and 31/2 not peaceful.)
But first let’s address what we most likely will agree about. We might agree that the tribulation needs to be properly defined. Pretrib teaches a 7 year tribulation. (Perhaps 31/2 peaceful and 31/2 not peaceful.)
The Bible speaks about a Great tribulation, and even Jesus Spoke about it in Matthew 24:21. The first century Church believed in a 31/2 year Great tribulation, and so do I. I suppose pretribers would call the second half of a 7 year tribulation the Great tribulation.
The Bible speaks about a Great tribulation, and even Jesus Spoke about it in Matthew 24:21. The first century Church believed in a 31/2 year Great tribulation, and so do I. I suppose pretribers would call the second half of a 7 year tribulation the Great tribulation.
The thing is: I believe there will be a Great tribulation, and I believe the Church could go through it. I also like to compare Matthew chapter 24 to Revelation.
The thing is: I believe there will be a Great tribulation, and I believe the Church could go through it. I also like to compare Matthew chapter 24 to Revelation.
In Matthew 24: 29-31 Jesus implies that he will send forth his angels to gather his elect following the tribulation in Matt. 24:31. (Rapture) Yet we see Revelation chapter 19 which places the bride with the bridegroom at the wedding feast, before he gets on His white horse to punish the nations, so it would appear there, that the Church will be raptured before His indignation is poured out. (So I believe in the prewrath theory.)
In Matthew 24: 29-31 Jesus implies that he will send forth his angels to gather his elect following the tribulation in Matt. 24:31. (Rapture) Yet we see Revelation chapter 19 which places the bride with the bridegroom at the wedding feast, before he gets on His white horse to punish the nations, so it would appear there, that the Church will be raptured before His indignation is poured out. (So I believe in the prewrath theory.)
Now let’s look at those pretribulation scriptures. They use I Thessalonians chapter 4, and 1 Corintians 15:51,52 which surely apply to the rapture, but both would also indicate the resurrection before the rapture, and I have given scripture above, that places the resurrection at the end of the tribulation period.
Now let’s look at those pretribulation scriptures. They use I Thessalonians chapter 4, and 1 Corintians 15:51,52 which surely apply to the rapture, but both would also indicate the resurrection before the rapture, and I have given scripture above, that places the resurrection at the end of the tribulation period.
One verse commonly used by pretribers to support pretribulation rapture is Revelation 4:1, where Jesus Christ says "Come up hither" Some believe that means Jesus speaking to the church to come up in a rapture, and they believe that, because they can’t see the Church in Revelation beyond Chapter 4.
One verse commonly used by pretribers to support pretribulation rapture is Revelation 4:1, where Jesus Christ says "Come up hither" Some believe that means Jesus speaking to the church to come up in a rapture, and they believe that, because they can’t see the Church in Revelation beyond Chapter 4.
Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
My response to that is: (????) I mean that interpretation of that verse makes absolutely no sense to me at all. First Jesus Christ wasn’t speaking to the Church in Revelation 4:1. He was speaking to John to come up hither, and I already have given you scripture pointing out the Church in Revelation 20:4-6 at the beginning of this article. (Remember that first resurrection, which included Christians who went through the tribulation period, who didn’t take the mark of the beast.)
My response to that is: (????) I mean that interpretation of that verse makes absolutely no sense to me at all. First Jesus Christ wasn’t speaking to the Church in Revelation 4:1. He was speaking to John to come up hither, and I already have given you scripture pointing out the Church in Revelation 20:4-6 at the beginning of this article. (Remember that first resurrection, which included Christians who went through the tribulation period, who didn’t take the mark of the beast.)
But what about Revelation Chapter 7 that speaks about a Great multitude that no man can number of every nation, kindred, people, and tongues, where it speaks about those who have came out of great tribulation. And have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb. Christians who had to be in the tribulation to come out of it. (The Church during the tribulation period.)
But what about Revelation Chapter 7 that speaks about a Great multitude that no man can number of every nation, kindred, people, and tongues, where it speaks about those who have came out of great tribulation. And have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb. Christians who had to be in the tribulation to come out of it. (The Church during the tribulation period.)
Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 and I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
14 and I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The next verse they use is: Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
The next verse they use is: Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
You will notice in Revelation 3:10 above, that it says "I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation". The hour of temptation is referred as meaning the Great Tribulation which will occur at end times. Pretribers quote this verse as meaning that Jesus Christ will keep them out of the Great Tribulation through a pretribulation rapture.
You will notice in Revelation 3:10 above, that it says "I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation". The hour of temptation is referred as meaning the Great Tribulation which will occur at end times. Pretribers quote this verse as meaning that Jesus Christ will keep them out of the Great Tribulation through a pretribulation rapture.
The key words are "keep & from". What did the Lord mean when He said "keep thee from the hour of temptation"?
The key words are "keep & from". What did the Lord mean when He said "keep thee from the hour of temptation"?
Keep from the strongs greek dictionary means:
Keep from the strongs greek dictionary means:
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05083:
5083 τηρεω tereo tay-reh'-o
5083 τηρεω tereo tay-reh'-o
from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to <2334>); ; v
from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to <2334>); ; v
AV-keep 57, reserve 8, observe 4, watch 2, preserve 2, keeper 1, hold fast 1; 75
AV-keep 57, reserve 8, observe 4, watch 2, preserve 2, keeper 1, hold fast 1; 75
1) to attend to carefully, take care of
1) to attend to carefully, take care of
1a) to guard
1a) to guard
1b) metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
1b) metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
1c) to observe
1c) to observe
1d) to reserve: to undergo something
1d) to reserve: to undergo something
Now we can see from the greek meaning keep, that it means to guard or keep in the state one is in, which means the Lord will guard the spirituality of the Christian, and perhaps preserve the spiritual state of that Christian. (Jesus is the Author and finisher of our faith.) I will comment more below. But first the Greek meaning of the word "from"
Now we can see from the greek meaning keep, that it means to guard or keep in the state one is in, which means the Lord will guard the spirituality of the Christian, and perhaps preserve the spiritual state of that Christian. (Jesus is the Author and finisher of our faith.) I will comment more below. But first the Greek meaning of the word "from"
01537:
01537:
1537 εκ ek ek or εξ ex ex
1537 εκ ek ek or εξ ex ex
a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; ; prep
a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; ; prep
AV-of 366, from 181, out of 162, by 55, on 34, with 25, misc 98; 921
AV-of 366, from 181, out of 162, by 55, on 34, with 25, misc 98; 921
1) out of, from, by, away from
1) out of, from, by, away from
from—Greek, "(so as to deliver thee) out of," not to exempt from temptation.
from—Greek, "(so as to deliver thee) out of," not to exempt from temptation.
So the word "from" doesn't necessarily mean to be exempt from the hour of temptation, but to be delivered through it. The Lord kept and delivered the Israelites in the wilderness, but they still went through the wilderness. 1 Corintians 10:13 will shed some light on the true meaning of "keep you from"
So the word "from" doesn't necessarily mean to be exempt from the hour of temptation, but to be delivered through it. The Lord kept and delivered the Israelites in the wilderness, but they still went through the wilderness. 1 Corintians 10:13 will shed some light on the true meaning of "keep you from"
See 1 Corinthians below, where Paul writes that the Lord will make a way for us to escape temptation. You will see that we still have to bear temptations, so to escape from dosn't mean to be exempt from, but the strength of the Lord to bear it.
See 1 Corinthians below, where Paul writes that the Lord will make a way for us to escape temptation. You will see that we still have to bear temptations, so to escape from dosn't mean to be exempt from, but the strength of the Lord to bear it.
1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
The bottom line to Rev. 3:10, is it has nothing to do with a rapture from or out of the tribulation, but rather the Lord will guard His people through the tribulation.
The bottom line to Rev. 3:10, is it has nothing to do with a rapture from or out of the tribulation, but rather the Lord will guard His people through the tribulation.
The next scripture I will challenge that pretribers give to support pretribulation rapture is 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Let me first give you the scripture, and then I will comment on it afterwards. But I will also give the scripture leading up to it, so the proper context can be displayed. I will color blue and underline the verse in question..
The next scripture I will challenge that pretribers give to support pretribulation rapture is 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Let me first give you the scripture, and then I will comment on it afterwards. But I will also give the scripture leading up to it, so the proper context can be displayed. I will color blue and underline the verse in question..
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
My comments: There are some pretribers who will quote 2 Thessalonians 2:3 to support pretribulation rapture. They say the words "falling away " means to be snatched away, then applying the falling away to the rapture of the church. They want us to believe that it means a rapture must take place first.
My comments: There are some pretribers who will quote 2 Thessalonians 2:3 to support pretribulation rapture. They say the words "falling away " means to be snatched away, then applying the falling away to the rapture of the church. They want us to believe that it means a rapture must take place first.
But when we consider that only a few pretribers will actually interpret those words that way, and I believe it's a desperate attempt on their part to prove their theory of pretribulation rapture, when their pretribulation theory doesn't have much to stand on in the first place.
But when we consider that only a few pretribers will actually interpret those words that way, and I believe it's a desperate attempt on their part to prove their theory of pretribulation rapture, when their pretribulation theory doesn't have much to stand on in the first place.
When we consider the greek meaning of "falling away", then we very qucikly learn, that the true meaning has nothing to do with any rapture or snatching away. The true meaning is "apostasia" Which means apostasy, or forsaking ones faith. It means to fall away from Christianity.
When we consider the greek meaning of "falling away", then we very qucikly learn, that the true meaning has nothing to do with any rapture or snatching away. The true meaning is "apostasia" Which means apostasy, or forsaking ones faith. It means to fall away from Christianity.
So once again pretribers add their own words and meanings to scripture, in effort to make scripures say things, which the scriptures don't say in the first place. Again! I believe they do this as a desperate attempt to prove a theory that scripture doesn't actually teach. Now see the true greek meaning below of the words "falling away" Which is taken from the Strongs Greek Dictionary.
So once again pretribers add their own words and meanings to scripture, in effort to make scripures say things, which the scriptures don't say in the first place. Again! I believe they do this as a desperate attempt to prove a theory that scripture doesn't actually teach. Now see the true greek meaning below of the words "falling away" Which is taken from the Strongs Greek Dictionary.
I'm not through with 2 Thessalonians yet, because I actually believe this verse is contadictary to the pretribulation rapture theory, and I will comment further below the Strongs Greek definition.
I'm not through with 2 Thessalonians yet, because I actually believe this verse is contadictary to the pretribulation rapture theory, and I will comment further below the Strongs Greek definition.
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646 αποστασια apostasia ap-os-tas-ee'-ah
646 αποστασια apostasia ap-os-tas-ee'-ah
feminine of the same as <647>; ; n f
feminine of the same as <647>; ; n f
AV-to forsake + <575> 1, falling away 1; 2
AV-to forsake + <575> 1, falling away 1; 2
1) a falling away, defection, apostasy
1) a falling away, defection, apostasy
I also gave 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 above, so we would have the context of verse three. In verse one Paul refers to our gathering unto the Lord, which he is referring to the rapture itself, and then in verse two Paul tells them not to be shaken or troubled by his previous letter to them. (1 Thessalonians.) So he's giving further informaton here about the rapture or his comments about it from 1 Thessalonians.
I also gave 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 above, so we would have the context of verse three. In verse one Paul refers to our gathering unto the Lord, which he is referring to the rapture itself, and then in verse two Paul tells them not to be shaken or troubled by his previous letter to them. (1 Thessalonians.) So he's giving further informaton here about the rapture or his comments about it from 1 Thessalonians.
He tells them not to concern themselves of the Day of Christ, or the Day of Thre Lord in verse two, but then he goes on to say that there will be a great falling away from the faith. (Not Rapture) He also says in verse three, that the son of perdition must first be revealed. Which means the great falling away and the son of perdition must be revealed before the Day of he Lord.
He tells them not to concern themselves of the Day of Christ, or the Day of Thre Lord in verse two, but then he goes on to say that there will be a great falling away from the faith. (Not Rapture) He also says in verse three, that the son of perdition must first be revealed. Which means the great falling away and the son of perdition must be revealed before the Day of he Lord.
If we go back to 1 Thessalonians 4:15, and then read about the rapture continuing through chapter 5. We will learn that in 1 Thessalonians chapter 5, that Paul is still on the same rapture topic, and he connects it with the Thief in the night and the day of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 5:2.
If we go back to 1 Thessalonians 4:15, and then read about the rapture continuing through chapter 5. We will learn that in 1 Thessalonians chapter 5, that Paul is still on the same rapture topic, and he connects it with the Thief in the night and the day of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 5:2.
Which means that the rapture, thief in the night, and the day of the Lord all happen at the same time. But Paul said in 2 Thessaonians that the son of perdition must be revealed before the day of the Lord happens, Which means the antichrist or son of perdition will be here on the seen before the day of the Lord, which Paul connects with the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 5:2
Which means that the rapture, thief in the night, and the day of the Lord all happen at the same time. But Paul said in 2 Thessaonians that the son of perdition must be revealed before the day of the Lord happens, Which means the antichrist or son of perdition will be here on the seen before the day of the Lord, which Paul connects with the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 5:2
This all leads me to the next scripture Pretribulation rapture defenders will give to support their theory (2 Thessalonians 2:7) This verse is only 4 verses beyond verse three above, and again the pretribers quote verse seven to support their pretribulation rapture theory, by saying there's a restrainer in verse seven, who retrains the son of perditon, but the restrainer will be removed, and then the son of perdition reveals himelf.
This all leads me to the next scripture Pretribulation rapture defenders will give to support their theory (2 Thessalonians 2:7) This verse is only 4 verses beyond verse three above, and again the pretribers quote verse seven to support their pretribulation rapture theory, by saying there's a restrainer in verse seven, who retrains the son of perditon, but the restrainer will be removed, and then the son of perdition reveals himelf.
They say the restrainer is the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is in all Christians. (Which is true) But they imply that the Holy Spirit will be removed from earth through the rapture of the Church, therefore the son of perdition won't be restrained anymore, and this gives him freedom to expose and reveal himelf.
They say the restrainer is the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is in all Christians. (Which is true) But they imply that the Holy Spirit will be removed from earth through the rapture of the Church, therefore the son of perdition won't be restrained anymore, and this gives him freedom to expose and reveal himelf.
Quite honestly: The whole idea would actually make sense to me, unless I consider the great multitude which no man can number, that comes out of the Great Tribulation in Revelation Chapter 7. Which means there are a lot of Christians being saved during the Great tribulation. (But it is the Holy Spirit Who leads men to repentence, therefore it's impossible for the Holy Spirit to remove Himself, or nobody would be saved during the tribulation)
Quite honestly: The whole idea would actually make sense to me, unless I consider the great multitude which no man can number, that comes out of the Great Tribulation in Revelation Chapter 7. Which means there are a lot of Christians being saved during the Great tribulation. (But it is the Holy Spirit Who leads men to repentence, therefore it's impossible for the Holy Spirit to remove Himself, or nobody would be saved during the tribulation)
Which means the Holy Spirit is still around during the tribulation. But some pretribers will say that He only partially removes Himself. (Such desperation on their part.) They can't have it both ways. The restrainer is removed, or he restrainer isn't. But the tribulation Christians will need the Holy Spirit to be saved, and also the Jews who will preach during the tribulation. (No Holy Spirit, then no Christian activity anywhere! Nobody preaches! Nobody gets saved.) That's the hole in their Holy Spirit Restrainer theory.
Which means the Holy Spirit is still around during the tribulation. But some pretribers will say that He only partially removes Himself. (Such desperation on their part.) They can't have it both ways. The restrainer is removed, or he restrainer isn't. But the tribulation Christians will need the Holy Spirit to be saved, and also the Jews who will preach during the tribulation. (No Holy Spirit, then no Christian activity anywhere! Nobody preaches! Nobody gets saved.) That's the hole in their Holy Spirit Restrainer theory.
Also: 2 Thessalonians 2:7 doesn’t actually say restrainer, so the theory is actually partially speculation. (Weak at best.) Yet it would be quite plausible, if 2 Thessalonians 2:7 was more clear about a restrainer. But it should also be pointed out, that it’s also speculation, that this restrainer, if there is one, is actually the Holy Spirit, which is also just another speculation on their part. (No real evidence to prove it.) But it does say He who letteth indicating God, and then again says He, which could really indicate the Holy Spirit.
Also: 2 Thessalonians 2:7 doesn’t actually say restrainer, so the theory is actually partially speculation. (Weak at best.) Yet it would be quite plausible, if 2 Thessalonians 2:7 was more clear about a restrainer. But it should also be pointed out, that it’s also speculation, that this restrainer, if there is one, is actually the Holy Spirit, which is also just another speculation on their part. (No real evidence to prove it.) But it does say He who letteth indicating God, and then again says He, which could really indicate the Holy Spirit.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he(Restrainer or Holy Spirit) be taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he(Restrainer or Holy Spirit) be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming
Again! I believe the Holy Spirit will be here during the tribulation to guard and keep His people the Church through the Great tribulation, because I believe the Church is going through it, whether most Christians believe it or like not!
Again! I believe the Holy Spirit will be here during the tribulation to guard and keep His people the Church through the Great tribulation, because I believe the Church is going through it, whether most Christians believe it or like not!
I wanted to deal with the pretribulation rapture theory , because there are many Christians who believe what they have been taught by faith. Which means they have faith in their Pastors or elders who teach them.
I wanted to deal with the pretribulation rapture theory , because there are many Christians who believe what they have been taught by faith. Which means they have faith in their Pastors or elders who teach them.
But I put my faith in the God and His Word, and any doctrine has to be shown to me through the Word Of God before I will accept it. I was first rooted in with Charismastics, and attended Pentecostal and Assembly Of God Churches, who will always preach a pretribulation doctrine.
But I put my faith in the God and His Word, and any doctrine has to be shown to me through the Word Of God before I will accept it. I was first rooted in with Charismastics, and attended Pentecostal and Assembly Of God Churches, who will always preach a pretribulation doctrine.
But through the years I continually asked Pastors for teaching on the pretribulation rapture, but most ignored the subject, and I always wondered why. So it left me on my own to seek out the scriptures for a pretribulation rapture myself. So I started reading book after book on the subject. I soon would learn that there was only a handful of scriptures the pretribulation rapture doctrine was based on, and most of those scriptures didn't give any indication of the timing of the rapture.
But through the years I continually asked Pastors for teaching on the pretribulation rapture, but most ignored the subject, and I always wondered why. So it left me on my own to seek out the scriptures for a pretribulation rapture myself. So I started reading book after book on the subject. I soon would learn that there was only a handful of scriptures the pretribulation rapture doctrine was based on, and most of those scriptures didn't give any indication of the timing of the rapture.
The few scriptures left to support it were actually scriptures, which the pretribulation defenders were actually adding their own words and beliefs to them, to make these scriptures say what they want us to believe, yet false doctrine, which these scriptures really never said in the first place, when we consider the exact content of these scriptures without the added words and beliefs of pretrib defenders.
The few scriptures left to support it were actually scriptures, which the pretribulation defenders were actually adding their own words and beliefs to them, to make these scriptures say what they want us to believe, yet false doctrine, which these scriptures really never said in the first place, when we consider the exact content of these scriptures without the added words and beliefs of pretrib defenders.
I believe it's a very important issue, because Christians who trust and believe these pretribulation rapture defenders won't be prepared for the tribulation they will go through, because they think they will be raptured. So they will fall prey to the antichrist, which I believe could cause the great falling away that Paul talks about in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
I believe it's a very important issue, because Christians who trust and believe these pretribulation rapture defenders won't be prepared for the tribulation they will go through, because they think they will be raptured. So they will fall prey to the antichrist, which I believe could cause the great falling away that Paul talks about in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
It appears to me that the devil has found a little white lie to deceive the Church with, that has potential to cause a great falling away in tribulation times. The white lie is: The pretribulation rapture theory.
It appears to me that the devil has found a little white lie to deceive the Church with, that has potential to cause a great falling away in tribulation times. The white lie is: The pretribulation rapture theory.
But what about Luke 21:36 which is a very common verse given to support pretribulation. I’ll give the verse first to refresh the reader's mind, if the reader should be a pretriber.
But what about Luke 21:36 which is a very common verse given to support pretribulation. I’ll give the verse first to refresh the reader's mind, if the reader should be a pretriber.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. (King James version)
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. (King James version)
Now some pretribers will believe that Luke 21:36 above indictes a pretribulation rapture, because Jesus says pray that you might be worthy to escape, and they perceive that as meaning escape the tribulation. (But I don’t believe that.)
Now some pretribers will believe that Luke 21:36 above indictes a pretribulation rapture, because Jesus says pray that you might be worthy to escape, and they perceive that as meaning escape the tribulation. (But I don’t believe that.)
Here’s why I don’t believe that scripture means escaping the tribulation: Consider the phrase "worthy to escape" . The word worthy can also be translated "stength" and the word escape can be translated "flee" Some Bible translations actually use te word strength instead of the word worthy' So let me give you that verse again with those changes in it.
Here’s why I don’t believe that scripture means escaping the tribulation: Consider the phrase "worthy to escape" . The word worthy can also be translated "stength" and the word escape can be translated "flee" Some Bible translations actually use te word strength instead of the word worthy' So let me give you that verse again with those changes in it.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may have strength to flee all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may have strength to flee all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Now you can see that the verse takes on a whole new meaning. Why would anyone need strength if they were being raptured? It should also be pointed out that Jesus was speaking specifically to the Jews, who will go through the tribulation, which is referred to by many prophecy experts as the time of Jacobs trouble.
Now you can see that the verse takes on a whole new meaning. Why would anyone need strength if they were being raptured? It should also be pointed out that Jesus was speaking specifically to the Jews, who will go through the tribulation, which is referred to by many prophecy experts as the time of Jacobs trouble.
It should also be pointed out that Zechariah 14:5 says the Jews will flee to the mountains, where Jesus will meet them with the Saints, so it would make sense for Jesus to say pray you have strength to flee, because that’s exactly what the Zechariah 14:5 says the Jews are going to do, when the antichrist sits in the temple according to Revelation chapter 11, and he starts persecuting the Jews, as he sits in their temple blaspheming God. The Jews will flee to the mountains to escape persecution.
It should also be pointed out that Zechariah 14:5 says the Jews will flee to the mountains, where Jesus will meet them with the Saints, so it would make sense for Jesus to say pray you have strength to flee, because that’s exactly what the Zechariah 14:5 says the Jews are going to do, when the antichrist sits in the temple according to Revelation chapter 11, and he starts persecuting the Jews, as he sits in their temple blaspheming God. The Jews will flee to the mountains to escape persecution.
So if Luke 21:36 has any connection with the rapture at all, then it applies to the rapture of the Jews at the end of the tribulation period. But there's also another possiblity, whereas some interpretations see it as spiritual strength or spiritual worthiness to stand before the Son Of Man. (Jesus Christ) I really believe it refers to the Jews physically fleeing to the mountains, but they wouild still have to be worthy to stand before Jesus Christ without spot or wrinkle. Either way I believe Jesus was speaking to the Jews in Luke 21:36, and not the Church as a whole. (See Zechariah 14:1-5 below.)
So if Luke 21:36 has any connection with the rapture at all, then it applies to the rapture of the Jews at the end of the tribulation period. But there's also another possiblity, whereas some interpretations see it as spiritual strength or spiritual worthiness to stand before the Son Of Man. (Jesus Christ) I really believe it refers to the Jews physically fleeing to the mountains, but they wouild still have to be worthy to stand before Jesus Christ without spot or wrinkle. Either way I believe Jesus was speaking to the Jews in Luke 21:36, and not the Church as a whole. (See Zechariah 14:1-5 below.)
Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
The next scripture pretribers give is Matthew 24:40, where Jesus said one will be taken and one will be left. (Which is sequeled in Luke 17:34) I associate it more with the thief in the night, because Jesus went on to say watch, because you know not what hour your Lord comes in Matthew 24:42.. So I associate it with the thief in the night, which I pointed out earlier is the same event as the rapture and Day of the Lord, which comes after the antichrist or son of perdition is revealed according to Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
The next scripture pretribers give is Matthew 24:40, where Jesus said one will be taken and one will be left. (Which is sequeled in Luke 17:34) I associate it more with the thief in the night, because Jesus went on to say watch, because you know not what hour your Lord comes in Matthew 24:42.. So I associate it with the thief in the night, which I pointed out earlier is the same event as the rapture and Day of the Lord, which comes after the antichrist or son of perdition is revealed according to Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Jesus said that only a few would find the way to eternal life in Matthew 7:14, so one taken and one left doesn’t mathematically fit the whole world . Because if only a few will find the way to eternal life, then only a few should be taken in a rapture, and many left behind. (One taken and one left is equal to 50%) That’s way more than just a few finding the way to eternal life.
Jesus said that only a few would find the way to eternal life in Matthew 7:14, so one taken and one left doesn’t mathematically fit the whole world . Because if only a few will find the way to eternal life, then only a few should be taken in a rapture, and many left behind. (One taken and one left is equal to 50%) That’s way more than just a few finding the way to eternal life.
My personal thoughts or opinion on it would be, that it could be applied to the church and not the whole world, because then it would make better mathematical sense to me that 50% of the church might make it, and 50% of those in the church left behind. It would also fit in with what Jesus said about the ten virgins, where five were taken and five rejected for letting their lamps run out of oil, which I interpret as meaning carnal Christians walking in the flesh and not walking in the Spirit of God.
My personal thoughts or opinion on it would be, that it could be applied to the church and not the whole world, because then it would make better mathematical sense to me that 50% of the church might make it, and 50% of those in the church left behind. It would also fit in with what Jesus said about the ten virgins, where five were taken and five rejected for letting their lamps run out of oil, which I interpret as meaning carnal Christians walking in the flesh and not walking in the Spirit of God.
Another possiblity is it might apply to Jews themselves, where one Jew is taken but the other left behind, but I won’t be dogmatic about either of these with that verse, because I'm not really sure, so those were just two guesses of mine and just speculation on my part, but either way this scripture doesn't really prove any pretribulation rapture.
Another possiblity is it might apply to Jews themselves, where one Jew is taken but the other left behind, but I won’t be dogmatic about either of these with that verse, because I'm not really sure, so those were just two guesses of mine and just speculation on my part, but either way this scripture doesn't really prove any pretribulation rapture.
I could go on and on stating why I believe in the prewrath theory of rapture, and why I don’t believe in a pretribulaton rapture of the Church. But it would require a book, and I only wanted to write a chapter here.
I could go on and on stating why I believe in the prewrath theory of rapture, and why I don’t believe in a pretribulaton rapture of the Church. But it would require a book, and I only wanted to write a chapter here.
But the prewrath theory I believe in would suggest a rapture right before the Lord pours out His wrath or indignation. I’m quite aware that some pretribers would say that the Lord uses the devil to pour out his wrath during the tribulation., so the whole tribulation period can be defined as the Lord’s wrath.
But the prewrath theory I believe in would suggest a rapture right before the Lord pours out His wrath or indignation. I’m quite aware that some pretribers would say that the Lord uses the devil to pour out his wrath during the tribulation., so the whole tribulation period can be defined as the Lord’s wrath.
They use 1 Thessalonians 5:9 to support that view, which says we are not appointed unto wrath., but that verse could also mean when the Lord personally pours out His wrath or indignation at the end of the tribulation, so it really doesn’t prove anything regarding pretribulation rapture.
They use 1 Thessalonians 5:9 to support that view, which says we are not appointed unto wrath., but that verse could also mean when the Lord personally pours out His wrath or indignation at the end of the tribulation, so it really doesn’t prove anything regarding pretribulation rapture.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
One would have to actually believe the the Lord’s wrath included the wrath the devil himself unleashes unto the world during the tribulation to apply 1 Thessalonians 5:9 to a pretribulation rapture, but I find that hard to swallow. But pretribers will say that God used King Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel to pour out his wrath on Israel, which is actually true. God even called King Nebuchadnezzar His servant.
One would have to actually believe the the Lord’s wrath included the wrath the devil himself unleashes unto the world during the tribulation to apply 1 Thessalonians 5:9 to a pretribulation rapture, but I find that hard to swallow. But pretribers will say that God used King Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel to pour out his wrath on Israel, which is actually true. God even called King Nebuchadnezzar His servant.
So they imply that God could use the devil the same way He used King Nebuchadnezzar to pour out His wrath, therefore trying to justify God’s wrath applying to the whole tribution period, or at least the last 31/2 years of it, which are referred to as the Great Tribulation..
So they imply that God could use the devil the same way He used King Nebuchadnezzar to pour out His wrath, therefore trying to justify God’s wrath applying to the whole tribution period, or at least the last 31/2 years of it, which are referred to as the Great Tribulation..
I don't believe the evil the devil unleashes unto the world especially Christians has anything to do with the Lord's wrath. The Lord will pour out His own personal wrath toward the end of the tribulation, which will most likely destroy the antichrist or son of perdition. I believe the Church will be raptured right before the Lord pours out His indignation or wrath toward the end of the tribulation just like the Lord said it would in Isaiah 26:20,21.
I don't believe the evil the devil unleashes unto the world especially Christians has anything to do with the Lord's wrath. The Lord will pour out His own personal wrath toward the end of the tribulation, which will most likely destroy the antichrist or son of perdition. I believe the Church will be raptured right before the Lord pours out His indignation or wrath toward the end of the tribulation just like the Lord said it would in Isaiah 26:20,21.
I felt it was my duty as a Christian to write this article, because I honestly believe the pretribulation rapture theory is a false teaching in the Church, and lacks much Biblical foundation to stand on.
I felt it was my duty as a Christian to write this article, because I honestly believe the pretribulation rapture theory is a false teaching in the Church, and lacks much Biblical foundation to stand on.
I also believe this false teaching can actually lead to the great falling away of the Church spoken about in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, which is the same verse speaking about the son of perdition. I believe Christians expecting to be raptured from the tribulation won’t be prepared to deal with the tribulation, therefore causing a great falling away, as these Christians surrender to the antichrist. (son of perdition.)
I also believe this false teaching can actually lead to the great falling away of the Church spoken about in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, which is the same verse speaking about the son of perdition. I believe Christians expecting to be raptured from the tribulation won’t be prepared to deal with the tribulation, therefore causing a great falling away, as these Christians surrender to the antichrist. (son of perdition.)
I realize more can be said from both sides of this rapture debate, but I have stated a few reasons why I don’t believe in pretribulation rapture, and I believe I have truthfully given scripture which supports my position on the matter, and I hope a good foundation for those to start with, who want to pursue the matter further.
I realize more can be said from both sides of this rapture debate, but I have stated a few reasons why I don’t believe in pretribulation rapture, and I believe I have truthfully given scripture which supports my position on the matter, and I hope a good foundation for those to start with, who want to pursue the matter further.
One last idea I might suggest is the last trump spoken about in 1 Corinthians 15:52. That too is controversal relating to the rapture. There are opposing interpretations of what Paul meant about the last trump. Some relate it to the last trump spoken about in Revelation, placing the rapture at the last trump or end of tribulaton. But some pretribers have their own slant on that, stating that the Old Testament referred to a trump which was blown right before a marriage feast in the Old Testament, indicating a trump sounding right before the marriage feast between the Bride and Bridegroom in Revelation Chapter 19.
One last idea I might suggest is the last trump spoken about in 1 Corinthians 15:52. That too is controversal relating to the rapture. There are opposing interpretations of what Paul meant about the last trump. Some relate it to the last trump spoken about in Revelation, placing the rapture at the last trump or end of tribulaton. But some pretribers have their own slant on that, stating that the Old Testament referred to a trump which was blown right before a marriage feast in the Old Testament, indicating a trump sounding right before the marriage feast between the Bride and Bridegroom in Revelation Chapter 19.
I believe it could be both of those, because I believe the marriage feast takes place toward the end of the tribulation right before the Lord pours out His personal wrath and indignation.
I believe it could be both of those, because I believe the marriage feast takes place toward the end of the tribulation right before the Lord pours out His personal wrath and indignation.
Bottom Line to this article: Pretribers have failed to present Biblical scriptures to support the pretribulation rapture theory to my satisfaction, and I have eagerly pressed them to do so since 1969, yet I can count on my hands all of the scriptures they have given me, and I have given most of them in this article, which haven't proven any pretribulation rapture.
Bottom Line to this article: Pretribers have failed to present Biblical scriptures to support the pretribulation rapture theory to my satisfaction, and I have eagerly pressed them to do so since 1969, yet I can count on my hands all of the scriptures they have given me, and I have given most of them in this article, which haven't proven any pretribulation rapture.
Yet a book can be written with many Bible scriptures which contadict pretribulation rapture, and the Bible itself is the final word on the subject..
Yet a book can be written with many Bible scriptures which contadict pretribulation rapture, and the Bible itself is the final word on the subject..
Here's a link to a Pre-Wrath Rapture website, that can give a more deeper insight into the Pre-Wrath Rapture Theory.
Here's a link to a Pre-Wrath Rapture website, that can give a more deeper insight into the Pre-Wrath Rapture Theory.
I also recommend a book titled "The Pre-Wrath Rapture Of The Church" by Marv Rosenthal, which is about the pre-wrath rapture theory. This doesn’t mean I will agree with everything Marv Rosenthal writes in his book, but I believe it has more merit than the pretribulation theory ever has had in my opinion.
I also recommend a book titled "The Pre-Wrath Rapture Of The Church" by Marv Rosenthal, which is about the pre-wrath rapture theory. This doesn’t mean I will agree with everything Marv Rosenthal writes in his book, but I believe it has more merit than the pretribulation theory ever has had in my opinion.
Another book titled "The Sign" by Robert Van Kampen is another good book. I suggest starting with The Pre-Wrath Rapture first, because it’s not as large as The Sign by Robert Van Kampen. Marv Rosenthal can start you with the Pre-Wrath Rapture theory, and then Robert Van Kampen can take you deeper into it, if you want to pursue it further after reading Marv Rosenthal’s book.
Another book titled "The Sign" by Robert Van Kampen is another good book. I suggest starting with The Pre-Wrath Rapture first, because it’s not as large as The Sign by Robert Van Kampen. Marv Rosenthal can start you with the Pre-Wrath Rapture theory, and then Robert Van Kampen can take you deeper into it, if you want to pursue it further after reading Marv Rosenthal’s book.
God Bless You For Reading This Article! Sincerely! Jeffrey L. Girling
God Bless You For Reading This Article! Sincerely! Jeffrey L. Girling
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