Lloyd and Williams family tree

John Williams (1746-1828) and his wife, Jane (1753-1849), were one set of Dylan’s great-great-great-grandparents. They farmed Graig, a few fields away from Fernhill, and their grave has been found in Capel Newydd, Llanybri.

There is a marriage for a John Williams of Llansteffan parish and a Jennet Rowland of Llangain in the Llangain parish register of 1778, and this could be them. Jane is the name that John uses in his Will of 1828 http://hdl.handle.net/10107/639305, but she is named Jennet at the 1841 census, where she is staying with her daughter, Mary Lloyd, at Glogue farm, Llangain. She is Jennet on her 1849 death certificate and described as the widow of John Williams, deceased. She died at Glogue.

In his Will, John mentions his grandson, James Jenkins, who is also at Glogue in 1841; he was Mary’s son, by a Walter Jenkins, born in 1815, before her marriage to John Lloyd in 1817. Mary was born c1795, according to census returns. Sarah, her sister, was born 1781.

John and Jennet’s son, John Williams, was born in 1784, and married Hannah Williams nee George in 1814. All four of John and Jennet's children, Thomas, Mary, Sarah and John, are mentioned in John Williams' Will of 1828. We have not yet found John Williams Pen-y-coed's birth record.

The following family tree also shows how William Phillips, grandfather of Vera Killick, was related to the Williamses, Dylan's ancestors. There is more on this below.

Yellow = First cousins Grey = First cousins Green = Second cousins Blue heart = love child

  • Hannah George had first married William Williams of Llangynog and had Daniel (later of Waunffort) and Mary. For more on them, see Dylan's peninsula family tree (in full blossom) on this site or Thomas (2003) p288.

  • Thomas Lloyd married Margaret Jones in 1864; she was an aunt to Jim Jones Fernhill. She was a daughter of Penyclun and sister to Richard Jones of Pentrewyman, Jim’s father. She and Thomas Lloyd had two daughters, Mary and Margaretta, who lived at Llwynddu, Llangain, until the 1930s. There is more on the Jones of Penyclun in the main paper on this site. Mary and Margaretta were first cousins to Jane Lloyd (who married William Phillips – see below), as well as to Jim Jones; they were also were second cousins to Hannah Williams of Waunfwlchan farm, Annie Fernhill’s (and Florence’s) mother.

  • Anna Lloyd and John Lewis were followed at Graig by their children, who were still there in 1911.

  • William Lloyd married Margaret Daniel in 1842. It’s thought, but not confirmed, that Margaret’s father was John James of Trehuddion, Llansteffan, described as a “Gentleman”, of 4, Arbour Sq. Commercial Rd East, London, in his Will of 1855 http://hdl.handle.net/10107/413319. His wife, Harriette, was left all his possessions, valued at £3,000 (£237,000 today). After Harriette died intestate, James’ natural born son, David James, a wine merchant of Mildenhall, Suffolk, received the estate in 1878. Some of the James family are shown at Trehuddion on the 1861 census.

  • Sarah and William Thomas/Harries’ children included Anne, who married her first cousin, Evan Williams of Waunfwlchan, and they farmed Tirbach and then Llwyngwyn.

  • Margaret Lloyd married John Evans, the son of Ffynnonseiri farm.

  • In 1863, Jane Lloyd of Glogue farm married William Phillips, a son of Cwmllyfri farm, Llanybri, who was the grandfather of Vera Phillips/Killick. Jane' s father, William Lloyd, was a first cousin to Thomas Williams of Waunfwlchan, Dylan's maternal great-grandfather. Jane's mother, Margaret Daniel, was also a first cousin to the Williamses. Jane was related as well to Jim Jones Fernhill's family through the marriage of her uncle, Thomas, to Margaret Jones, who was Jim's aunt. William and Jane farmed Tirbach until her early death. William’s brother, Thomas Phillips, married Theodocia Thomas/Harries, the sister of Anne Williams (nee Thomas/Harries) of Waunfwlchan farm, Dylan’s great-grandmother; Thomas and Theodocia farmed Plas Isaf, Llanybri. For more on the Phillips family and their connections with the Williamses of Waunfwlchan and Pen-y-coed, see https://sites.google.com/site/dylanthomasandtheedgeoflove/

  • John Lloyd b.1851 married Mary Bowen; they first farmed 122 acres, Drenoeth (?), Trelech, before emigrating to America in 1888. They had two sons, John, who died in 1901, and William. Aged 46, John Snr is a farm labourer on the US 1900 census, and his sons are book-keepers. John and Mary returned c1910 to Llansteffan. He died in 1930 and she in 1936. They are buried in a imposing tomb in Capel Newydd, Llanybri, amongst the other Lloyd and Williams graves. Glogue farm had left the Lloyd family by 1891.

  • George and Hannah Williams’ first three children included Annie, born 1862. Then George fathered a daughter, Anne b. 1866, by his wife’s younger sister, Amy. The scandal sent George and Hannah and family to Swansea. Anne later had Gladys b.1885, father unknown, then married John Gwyn of Plas Cwrthir in 1891, and had a son, Thomas. After John’s death in 1893, Anne married her cousin, Robert Williams, and had William and Doris. Anne lived at Plas Uchaf, Llanybri (with John and Gladys) and then at Rose Cottage, Llansteffan, with Robert and her children. She spent her last year or so in Forest House, Brigstocke Tce., Ferryside, where she died in 1922. Her mother, Amy, had married the Ferryside pilot, David Jones, in 1882

  • Jane Daniel, whose father was Theophilus Daniel of Wernoleu farm, married John Harries, son of Evan and Anne Harries of Plas Isaf, Llanybri, and went to Herefordshire. See the following segment of the Daniel family tree:

Blue heart = lovechild. Grey <>= first cousin Yellow = first cousins Green = first cousins ........//......... = half-siblings.

The Will of David Daniel provides further information on family members: http://hdl.handle.net/10107/821263

David Richards married Anne Davies on 13 November 1855. She was the daughter of David and Theodocia Davies of Llwyngwyn and Maesgwyn. Anne’s mother, Theodocia, was a sister to Anne Harries of Plas Isaf, Llanybri, who was the mother of Anne Williams of Waunfwlchan. David Richards inherited Wernoleu from his uncle Theophilus Daniel in 1855 – see the Will at http://hdl.handle.net/10107/469602 After David retired from Wernolau, he lived at 3 Church Street, Llanstephan and died in 1908. His half-nephew Theophilus Lloyd was farming Wernolau in 1901.