Maud Dyer

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wife of Philip Picton

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Descendants of Adam (Adda) DYER - about 1000 AD to about 1280 AD

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1-Adam (Adda) DYER

2-Philip DYER

3-Adam DYER

4-Philip DYER of Newport

5-Walter DYER

6-Wilcock DYER of Boulston

7-Margaret (Joan) DYER of Boulston

5-William DYER of Newport

sp: dau. of Higgon

6-Maud DYER

sp: Philip de PICTON

7-Thomas PICTON

6-Margaret DYER

sp: William MARTIN

7-William MARTIN

6-Philip DYER

sp: Jane PERROT

7-William DYER

2-Elenor DYER

sp: Robet HILL

The sister of Maud Dyer is Margaret Dyer who was married to William Martin of the below Martin family

Descendants of Sir William MARTYN DE TOURS - 1020 AD to about 1280 AD

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1-Sir William MARTYN DE TOURS (1020-abt 1094)

2-Sir Robert FITZMARTIN

3-Sir William FITZMARTIN

4-Sir William FITZMARTIN

sp: Angharad

5-David MARTIN Bishop of Menevia(St David’s) (-9 Mar 1328)

6-William MARTIN

sp: Margaret daughter of Robert Marlos (-)

7-William MARTIN

sp: Margaret DYER

8-William MARTIN

5-Sir William (FITZ)MARTIN (1257-1324)

6-Sir William (FITZ)MARTIN (-1326)

sp: Margaret daughter of John Hastings (-)

7-Joan MARTIN

sp: Henry LACY Earl of Lincoln

sp: NICHOLAS Lord Audley

7-Eleanor MARTIN

sp: Philip COLUMBERS

5-Sir Nicholas (FITZ)MARTIN (1210-1282)

6-Nicholas (FITZ)MARTIN (1281-)

Following by Brian Picton Swann

Flow Charts by Owen Picton

I knew the numbers under the names of the women in the Picton pedigree in the Golden Grove MSS corresponded to the page numbers in this volume. So I was keen to find out who these other families were. So I started with the Dyer family, because Philip Picton married Maud Dyer - and it gave page 141 as the cross-reference. So this is the family pedigree on p. 141 of Protheroe MSS V.

Walter Dyer-------------------------------------------------William Dyer = dau. of Higgon

_____1________----------_______________________________1 ________________________

..........l...............................1...............................................1..........................................l

..........1................................l..............................................1..........................................1

Wilcock Dyer. Margaret Dyer = William Martin... Maud Dyer = Philip Picton... Philip Dyer = Jane Perrot

of Haverford...........................................(79).................................l.......................................1

...........l...........................................................................................1.......................................1

...........l...........................................................................................1.......................................1

Margaret Dyer = Henry Wogan of Boulston...... William Picton = Agnes Horton.... William Dyer = Julie,

dau. Of---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- of Cardigan-- Hamond

Le Grice

(116)

Walter Dyer and William Dyer share a common father in Philip Dyer of Newport. Philip Dyer was the son of Adam Dyer, the son of another Philip Dyer, the son of another Adam Dyer. This Adam Dyer also had a daughter, Elenor, who married Robert Hill (108).

I managed about an hour in the College of Arms looking at their Welsh pedigrees. I turned up the Picton pedigree written down by David Edwardes in about 1685 and looked from there to the pedigree of the Maud Dyer, who had married Philip Picton at the head of the tree. (Maud Dyer was the daughter of William Dyer)

To my surprise, she (Maud Dyer) had a sister, Margaret Dyer, who had married William Martin – and the page reference (79) took me to the pedigree of the Martin Family – who were the first Lords of Cemais [FitzMartin]. This goes right back to the first Normans coming into this part of Pembrokeshire, which is usually attributed to King Henry I and about 1108. The Lords of Cemais – and the College of Arms would not let me photograph the documents. The Martin pedigree was not very easy to read, and they could only spare me the hour on this occasion.

College of Arms letter about Martin family- to Brian Picton Swann

I have just heard from the College of Arms that I got my Martin connection slightly wrong. I was rushing against the clock on this one and could not immediately find the name of Margaret Dyer on the Martin pedigree - essentially Margaret Dyer married a William Martin who was the grandson of Bishop David Martin of St. Davids [1293-1328]. David Martin was a younger brother of Nicholas Martin [FitzMartin], Lord of Cemais, who died in 1282. (Margaret Dyer was married to William Martin the grandson of Bishop David Martin and not the William Martin, Lord of Cemais, descendant from Nicholas Martin who is referenced below).

For Nicholas Martin (who died in 1282), his son, Nicholas Martin, pre-deceased him in 1281, and William Martin succeeded to the Lordship of Cemais. William Martin took part in the Welsh, Scottish and Gascon campaigns of Edward I and was summoned to Parliament in 1295. Under Edward II (1307-1327) he was one of the Lords Ordainers in 1310, but was subsequently a partisan of the King against the Earl of Leicester. He served as Justice for West Wales in 1315 and died by October 1324. His son, William Martin, by Eleanor, daughter of Reynold FitzPeter survived him by less than two years, dying before April 1326. He had no children by his wife, Margaret, daughter of John Hastings, so his estates were divided between his two sisters – Eleanor, wife of John Columbers and Joan, wife of Nicholas, Lord Audley.

Inquisitions post mortem survive for the deaths of William Martin in 1324 and William Martin in 1326.

The brother of Agnes Horton was Sir William Horton of Tregwynt, whose son and heir was Jenkin Horton, who married into the Wyrriot family.

Agnes Blackman who married Thomas Picton was the daughter of John Blackman. John Blackman had sisters Alice Blackman, who married into the Dowstowe family and Rose Blackman, who married into the Arnold family.

But the family interconnections thrown up by these pedigrees through these female lines are just amazing. Philip Picton was, in fact, brother-in-law to a William (Martin who was part of this powerful Martin family). This raises all sorts of new possibilities as to where he might have come from, especially if sister Margaret Dyer had married first.

We now have connections through these female lies into all sorts of new families – Dyer, Martin, Perrot, Le Grace, Arnold, Dowstowe, Blackman, Wogan, etc.

So here we are going back to the very beginnings of Norman colonisation into Pembrokeshire. Counting back from Maud Dyer we have 5 generations of Dyers – at about 28 years per generation that gets you back about 140 years and into at least the mid-1100s, possibly earlier.

The followings chart is projected by Owen Picton based on the information above for descendants for Adam (Adda) Dyer.

Listing called Celtic Royal Genealogy showing descendants of Adam (Adda) Dyer is similar This is part of the Celtic Royal Genealogy file done by Welsh academics on the Royal Tribes of Wales.

(Descendants from Adam (Adda) Dyer)

The followings chart is projected by Owen Picton based on the information above for descendants for William Martyn de Tours. Notice that Margaret Dyer and her husband William Martin appear on both charts.

Listing called Celtic Royal Genealogy showing descendants of William Martyn de Tours is similar This is part of the Celtic Royal Genealogy file done by Welsh academics on the Royal Tribes of Wales.

(Descendants from William Martyn de Tours)

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