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This site contains information from the Kansas City's Regional Head Referee about the 2024-25 FLL Challenge Robot Game - Submerged. It is intended as an aid for regional coaches, teams, and referees and will be updated throughout the season. Unless FIRST releases a rules update on a Friday, no updates will be made after 10 pm on the Thursday before any regional tournament.
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The last rules update from FIRST was released on 12/02/2024; it contains update 10. This clarifies the scoring condition for the 2nd part of mission 02 (the shark).
This year will be Michael Hartwig's last year as regional head referee. Andrew Phipps -- recently graduated from Kansas State -- has volunteered to take over and will be training with Michael this year. Andrew has extensive experience with FIRST; he's been a FLL & FRC team member & has volunteered as a FLL referee for several years.
NOTE: Due to the decentralized structure of FLL anything on this page may be different in another region, at Worlds, or in any after-season competition. Everything here holds for any official KC Region FLL tournament and at pre-season tournaments where the refs are provided by KCFIRST. The tournaments where the site applies are:
There will be no virtual scrimmages or qualifiers in the Kansas City region this year
Unofficial scrimmage - October 19th - CowTown ThrowDown at Lee's Summit High School
Unofficial scrimmage - October 26th - University Academy in Kansas City, MO
Q1 – November 9th - Olathe NW High School
Q2 - November 16th - Lawrence High School
Q3 - November 16th - North Kansas City High School
Q4 - December 7th - Hickman Mills Middle School
Q5 - December 14th - Knob Noster High School
Kansas City Regional Championships - January 18, 2025 - Kansas City Union Station
Note that the dates for qualifiers 2 & 3 are NOT typos; we are having two regional qualifiers on the same day.
Remember that any rules updates published by FIRST take precedence over the rules released on August 1st. All teams need to be checking regularly for updates on the Challenge, Updates, & Resources page on the FIRST web site, and coaches need to carefully monitor emails from FIRST or from KC FIRST. The latest rules update from FIRST was released on December 2nd, 2024.
Teams will work with the referee at their table to complete their scoresheet after each match. Referees will give teams the Benefit of the Doubt when the situation is unclear. If the team and their referee can't agree then the tournament Head Ref will make final decisions. We use this site to help teams understand how the Head Ref will make decisions at a tournament.
Michael and Andrew be updating the page throughout the season as we answer questions from coaches & teams, as rules updates are released, or when we get other information that we feel may be of use to teams. If you have a question that isn't answered here you may email us at kcFLLref@gmail.com. We'll try and answer all questions, but you'll be much more likely to get a satisfactory response if the question is about the rules as opposed to "will this solution legally score on mission XXXX?"
This site is not authoritative for any FLL region other than Kansas City. If you're from another region you should consult your regional partner or head referee instead of relying on the information here.
Michael Hartwig (KC Regional Head Ref since 2014) and Andrew Phipps (KC Regional Head Ref in training this year)
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