I have seen the instructions for the phone application but I cant find anything on the PC client at all. I have contacted Lorex directly to see if they can supply something. Still waiting for a reply.

Cloud services seemingly provide a much better access option for these devices. Instead of allowing inbound access into your own network from the Internet, you could simply enable what is typically a proprietary cloud service for your flavor of device. That configuration would allow the DVR or CCTV camera to communicate to the cloud service on the Internet. Any remote access or monitoring would occur by accessing the cloud service. There would be no inbound access through your firewall and even a vulnerable device would not be exposed to the Internet at large.


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Cloud services can certainly provide security benefits such as not having to expose your CCTV DVR to the internet to view cameras remotely. But there's a yin to that yang. If an attacker finds a flaw in the cloud, there is no need to scan the internet for DVRs because there's now one place of access to all of them. For those of you who are already done reading, here's a synopsis of the rest:


Last year I noticed the company FLIR, most noteworthy for the "Forward-Looking InfraRed" cameras they sell to law enforcement/military, had acquired Lorex Technologies, a consumer CCTV company. Lorex by FLIR was offering cloud-enabled DVRs that supported 1080p resolution using my existing coax. "Nice," I thought, "Now I can check my cams from anywhere without publicly exposing them on the internet." I bought a system, booted up the DVR, and found it was Dahua. "Oh well. FLIR Cloud! No inbound ports!" I naively told myself.


Connecting to the system is easy but made complicated by the sheer number of client applications. You have the FLIR Cloud CMS available in Windows or MacOS. There are also Android and iOS versions of FLIR Cloud. Then there's the FLIR Secure mobile apps that seems to access the video in a different way. The DVRs have web interfaces that require special browser plugins as well. After a little research, the problems I discovered resided in the FLIR Cloud itself and the way Windows and MacOS Cloud Client software connected to users' DVRs.


But wait. After the DNS resolution, the first UDP packet appeared to authenticate with whatever service the DNS resolved to. What is Ozvision? Who is Ronny Weiser? Apparently Ozvision is a cloud-based video service partnered with Dahua.

At this point I began the disclosure process. I wish I could report that in 2017, that this is always a routine and smooth process, and that the affected vendor is willing to quickly implement a fix. I have one of these things at home so I take zero pleasure in dropping this before they've fixed the insecure FLIR Cloud access. It wasn't easy even finding a disclosure contact at FLIR/Lorex. I disclosed this on 5/9/2017 and then agreed not to publish it more than 90 days from the disclosure date at FLIR's request. They purport to have resolved item #1 but apparently had no intention of fixing their insecure cloud access by that date. So here we are, over 150 days later.

If you don't want anyone with your device ID being able to bang against your DVR's various Dahua DVR interfaces, consider shutting it down. I've tried disabling UPNP on my network and I can still tunnel to my DVR with just a device ID. I'm not sure exactly how their cloud works and they weren't exactly candid when dealing with me. Somehow they build STUNNELS on demand. I imagine someone with more time may take this farther.

I just installed one of the lorex 8 channel (6 camera) 1080P NVR systems (Lorex LNR382). Everything seemed to go ok, but video playback using the iphone app, or the nethd pc client software is really slow and choppy.

I found that if you use the "Device ID" instead of the "IP/DDNS" for your connection settings, you are directing the NVR to use Lorex's Stratus cloud servers. I believe that this method limits your data rate to that of your Internet connection. In my case I have DSL. So looking at my network meter widget, the data rate going through their cloud was only 2.5 to 3 Mb/s. Once I switched the connection setting for the NVR to its IP address, the data rate jumped to around 40 Mb/s since it was going directly through my router to my computer. 2351a5e196

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