we use XP on these machines because the sound hardware we run is professional sound cards that are run by PCI cards installed that run cables to breakout boxes to external devices, we use hardware by Echo Audio, Aardvark Sound, and M-Audio Sound.

Whenever we try to install the ECHO or ARDVARK into ANY of thesem achines the driver installs and as soon as it is accessed (a sound is played from it) we see the following thing happen to the machine, this happens on EVERY machine (makes sense since they are all identical)

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the STRANGE thing is we have ANOTHER pc that we did not purchase from that company, it is an older dell as well, and when we install the echo, or aardvark on this machine it functions perfectly, for reference and comparison i have provided the specs from that machine as well, THERE IS SOMETHING that makes it work on this machine and not the other 3, the question i hope to answer is what that is , i welcome any conversation as our station is OFF AIR until we solve this mystery

so that's all for now, maybe its a bios thing i don't know and if that's it that would be awesome if we can somehow put an older bios on i don't know, I DO know that these cards are not defective and work fine, so anyone at all out there that can see the issue please kindly comment here

Vendors were told as early as 1994 to start making universal Cards but most ignored this. The pci spec eventually changed so that 3.3v only was supported in spec 2.3 Dell started making cards like that as early as the Optiplex GX110's 9629U NVIDIA VANTA PCI Card.

Heres the trouble (and i have attached the card pics of the ACTUAL cards in question) the M-AUDIO DOES work on the optiplex, and they appear to be the same PCI structure, is it possible its something else?

OH BTW this may or may not be relevant but i noticed this morning that the Dimension has its internal NIC card disabled and has a PCI NIC installed in it, the optiplexes are all using their internal NIC, then again this may or may not matter???

If the vendors do not provide PCI 2.2 or PCI 2.3 cards as replacements for the cards you have then you will not be able to get it working. All of the Issues you are having are with NON DELL hardware. The NO MORE 5V cards change was official as early as 1995.

I know you dont know WHYthe m audio works i was hoping if i disabled the onboard LAN AND SOUND i would fix the issue, i saw the aardvark install, and reboot fine, and i even saw the aardvark sound manager come up, but as soon as i launched adobe, bam the NMI POS error comes up

I didn't design any of those cards so I cannot answer why something does or does not work. I did see audio 2496 cards from 2003 that are the universal design so they would work in pci 2.3 systems. Your Maudio Delta Series card says 1999.

The REQUIREMENT FOR UNIVERSAL cards more than 10 years ago is not a Dell issue it has to do with Chipsets that have CPU's that run at less than 5V. This is why ISA bus cards are also no longer supported along with 5V PCMCIA cards being replaced with 3.3V cardbus cards. The DIMENSION 1100/B110 and I Believe the OPTIPLEX GX110 and GX170 are all DDR systems with 5V PCI capability.

If the M audio card is Audiophile 24/96 Rev. B PCI 2.2 from 2003 with 2 keyways then the answer is obvious. Your attribution that this is Dell's issue is incorrect. Getting 3 of these cards would address the PCI 2.3 issue.Your Maudio Delta Series card says 1999 and is 5v keyed.

I tried to play a 88.2 the other day in JRiver and had the same prob. I was using Boot Camp on a Mini. I believe JRiver itself will support any resolution, but if your sound card in windows doesn't have the right drivers (like mine--88.2 plays fine in OS X.) you are not going to hear a thing!

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This doesn't tell much about your actual problem I'm afraid, which will merely be in the realm of HD Audio wanting to play in 24 bits instead of the more common 32 (never mind your DAC will support 24 bits -> it's about what is transported).

The subject is more complicated, because in the end this will be about "Exclusive Mode" playback, while HD Audio *also* just doesn't allow these sample rates. So, "not al all" to begin with, and next "again not at all" because Windows won't resample to these rates in "Shared Mode" playback.

I didn't think resampling is the issue, since I have it turned off in J river, and with WASAPI it should just send the bitrate of the file. I get an error message saying this bitrate isn't supported, and it offers to turn on the resampling to play the file.

Presumably the driver is not exposing the supported bitrates? Maybe because it expects it would be running the files thru the built it DACs? Doesn't make sense, since the whole point of the spdif interface is to bypass the built-in DAC for a "better" outboard DAC.

I tried all the possible J River audio options, but since, when I want to output thru the spdif I have to select the Realtek HD audio driver, seems I can't actually output a (theoretically) supported resolution. Seems to me this isn't a Windows issue, unless I fail to understand something (certainly possible too.)

Yes, I have the manual. Like I said, that refers to the driver's (software) capabilities, not the hardware. P 89 is in the software section. And yes, I tried, as noted earlier, their latest driver, then the driver from Realtek directly, which is two months newer. Neither supports 88.2 out SPDIF, even thought the chip is capable of it.

As far as the initial problem, I've heard an initial response from gigabyte, but I think the tech who took first crack didn't understand something ... had highlighted a Samsung audio device (I think a TV connected by HDMI) and showed how it would accept all the bitrates. In the same list displayed, they showed the Realtek "devices" but didn't think to check the supported bitrates for that.

Gigabyte me a link to a file which I presume will expose the missing bitrates for the Realtek chip spdif output... I say presume because when I try to unpack the rar file, it appears a password is needed for some of the files.

Just for trials, you could download XXHighEnd, choose the maximum rate your device seems to have, and set the output to 24 bits for "DAC needs" (not the default 32). If it then doesn't work, it never will.

Seems strange to me that a DAC can support such a bitrate and that a driver can be made to show that support for USB, but a driver for a motherboard chip to output via SPDIF, that should be able to support it, can't do so. Is there an issue with SPDIF that is different than USB? I read somewhere (I think one of the DAC hardware sites) noting that althought their DAC supports USB up to 192/24, the spdif interface is inconsistent above 96/24, and might work but not guaranteed.

In my case, although the target can support spdif in all supported rates, the source, an spdif output on the motherboard, running the ALC892 chip which is supposed to support the same rates, won't, at least under windows 7.

There are also quite many hardwares that lack support for 88.2/176.4 rates. And quite many that do support those. With a separate PCI(e) card it is possible to access those if the integrated one doesn't work with those rates for any reason.

What you see in Windows (Vista/W7) is only the rate where the OS can resample to. It tells nothing about what the hardware can do, and on that matter the OS can do it all just too, if only Exclusive Mode is used. So, Windows will never show 88.2 and 176.4, because it can't resample to that (which would be about Shared Mode).

Of course, if the hardware doesn't allow the rates you are looking for, there it stops. Also in Exclusive Mode. But remember HD Audio is a strange "sound device" amongst them all, and it merely depends on the OS's resampler than being good within itself. Additionally its control is so strange, that this may be the good reason that a random player can't acces those rates (while is actually just may work, and which can't be seen about any data in the system afaik).

In your earlier reply, above, you'd mentioned setting sample rate in XXHighEnd to 96, which I took to mean that it would resample 88.2 to 96, which I thought wasn't a good idea? If I tell it that the spdif out can support 88.2 etc, will it send the file out spdif at that rate?

Chris: I see that someone has a similar problem to mine. I am running within my multi-channel home theater set-up a Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit computer using a 2nd generation SandyBridge CPU (Core i3 3.1Gh) with integrated Intel (2100) graphics and sound card. This PC is connected via HDMI to a Marantz AV7005 pre/pro, Krell 5-channel amp, and Wilson Audio fronts and Wilson center and surround speakers. The Realtek controller running the integrated sound card, when HDMI is being used, recognizes the Marantz pre/pro and then utilizes a Microsoft driver which permits all 7 resampling rates to be bit-streamed via the jRiver MC16 software without any DSP being utilized. That is, MC16, with Output Mode unchecked, can send audio files to the pre/pro in 32, 44, 48, 88, 96, 176, and 192khz resampling rates. I have double-checked this by getting a Reference Recording HFx sampler with 176.4 khz files and also some 88.2 files. jRiver runs these through the HDMI connection to the pre/pro without saying that it needs to use DSP.

2) Use a PCI-based sound card whose driver permits all the important resampling rates and which has, preferably, an AES output (SPDIF coax RCA is a second choice). I am not interested in any card that has only a USB digital audio output.

Hi Audioseduction - Very good question. Most of the more expensive professional cards handle all the critical sample rates. The consumer cards are all over the board and even change with new software updates. The ASUS Xonar STX and ESi Juli@ are pretty well known to play the above sample rates at a reasonable cost. 152ee80cbc

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