The episodes and the numbers of the sentences are the same as in the reference work.
N: (reading): Conclusion: "yes, it is possible". Arguments you can use to defend the conclusion:
P: No, no arguments now You say it is possible
N: Yes
L: And so do we
P: You also say that it is possible
L: Yes
P: And now, how do you explain that this can happen, if it is possible?
S: Arguments
N: Come on, tell him the arguments.
P: Ah, are you with the arguments? Come on
S: Because the plane can go at the same speed as the Earth, and then the sunset can last a certain time
E: Why?
B: Do I read it now?
P: Let's see, now you.
S: Because the plane goes at the same speed as the Earth.
And: Yes.
S: And then the sunset can last for a certain time
B: If you move one hour for each meridian, it is possible. They will always see the Sun from the same point.
N: Quiet…quiet…(laughters)
E: Yes, of course, because what they say...
I: It is the same as what you say
E: Then the plane would be flying in the same place all the time.
N: No
I: In the same place with respect to the Sun.
A: It is flying but not moving.
N: It is flying in the opposite direction to Earth. The Earth moves there (right) ? and the plane moves here (left) ?
E: Oh, okay, okay, okay
L: That is, the plane over here, and the Earth
G: But at the same speed
S: The Earth moves like this, and the Sun goes there (or it goes away)
A: At the same speed.
E: Yes, and that would be another of the ones we put up, of the ones we thought about.
L: The engines are on because it has to fight this force of…
E: But, then …
L: Of attraction
I: I think they are both wrong.
P: Let's see, why?
I: Because the Earth... it is what we are seeing now, that the Earth goes one way and the plane goes the other.
S: Who is more right is Betty, but the fact is that she is confused, because the plane is not stopped, it keeps turning.
E: But, then, there... it would be moving with the rotation of the Earth too, right?
N: Betty can't be right because if that happens, if the Earth moves and they stand still, then the Sun...
E: But the plane...
N: They won't see the sunset always the same
L: Yes, always
N: And how? All the way? Is it standing all the way?
E: But they, being inside the atmosphere, are always with the rotation of the Earth
B: Sure
L: But of course, the Sun is standing still here
B: Sure, the plane is…
P: Sure, what? Let's see if each one speaks in parts, first L speaks, then E and then B, and you keep on thinking, in case anyone wants to have an opinion...
L: That if the Sun is here, and the plane is also standing still, they are always going to see that vision
N: All the way?
L: And the one that moves is the... the Earth.
S: Yes, but the plane is inside the atmosphere, by attraction it moves just like the Earth.
B: The plane moves with the Earth, if it is standing still.
L: But no, that's why the engines are on, to fight that attraction.
E: But, then, it is no longer the case that the plane moves according to the…
S: But then the plane is also moving
E: That is, the plane also rotates with the Earth, right? Being inside the atmosphere, the atmosphere also moves.
P: U, what do you think?
U: I think it moves
E: But, because of that, then the plane would be like this... no, the plane continues like this... but also...
P: Wait, wait, wait
S: But, eh
P: Let's see, U wanted to comment
U: Me? No, I said that the plane moves... let's see, the plane can't be still. Because the Sun, even if the Earth moves, the Sun is still, and the plane can't be still.
P: So who is right, John or Betty?
U: What John says, that the plane moves
N: A mixture of the two
U: Although…
N: The plane moves and the Earth moves
E: I... what I have... is that... the plane...
S: The plane has to move. Because if the Earth also makes this movement here, and the plane...
N: It wants to go to the other side
S: It wants to go to the other side, what does it do?
N: Continue down?
S: Because if it doesn't move, it has to follow the Earth, and it will always remain in the same place. It has to move.
E: But the plane, being inside the atmosphere, doesn't it make the movement of rotation with the Earth?
B: Yes.
E: It's what we said before, if you stay on top of a country, flying all the time in the same place, when you turn you don't change, you're always on top of that country, right?
B, N: of course
E: So, it can't be that the plane is still and...
N: It would have to be outside the atmosphere, but the planes…
G: But the satellites are…
N: They don't fly
G: They don't move because they are attracted too.
N: They don't move. They don't fly out of the atmosphere.
E: In other words, the plane would have to be in motion.
B: Sure
E: In addition to going to what it is following, ... it goes to ...
P: And who is right, then?
S: Neither of both
B: That would be with respect to the Earth, but not to the Sun.
L: Sure, it doesn't move with respect to the Sun
E: Sure
L: So, regarding space, what Betty says: it is still, in space.
I: One is right a little bit and the other a little bit too.
E: No, the plane is supposed to have a higher speed than...
P ( to I ): A little bit of reason? I've never heard that, you share like pies, one thing is good, and another is not good. Let's see, they are saying here that it depends, if it is placed...
L: From where you look, of course
P: From the point of view, and what is the most logical point of view to…
N: The plane moves and the Earth moves. And they move with the same speed. Otherwise, he would not be able to see the Sun.
B: Sure, that's why you have to…
E: Sure, that would be…
B: You have to move 1 hour for each meridian. To go at the same speed as the Earth.
G: In this way it would be...
B: So it would always be in the same position
P: Let's see, let's do one thing: I'll read what each one said, and give me your opinion on who is right and who is wrong, okay? Simply because there are three things. John says: "Look Betty, the plane flies so fast that it manages to keep the Sun from setting behind the sea"
N: It can be
E: I think he is right.
GE: Yes
S: It's that the Sun doesn't move, the only thing that moves is the Earth.
G: Yes, he is right
N: The Earth moves and the plane moves.
G: Yes, because ... if you saw it, for example, from here, it would always take that same movement, and it wouldn't see the…
B: If it moved more slowly, the Earth would block the Sun.
S: If the Earth moved faster or the plane moved faster, it would be different, it would no longer see the sunset.
P: So what about John? What do we say to John? Is he right?
S: He is wrong
P: He is wrong, why?
E: No, I think he's right
S: I think not
P: You think that John is right. And you think that he is not.
S: I...
P: Why? Let's see... You defend John, and you ….(Reading the sentence again) What is wrong with John's sentence?
N: I think that this can be correct.
G: Yes, I think so
E: Me, too
S: It can be
P: Can it be?
U: Because if the plane goes slower it will go backwards, and the Earth covers the Sun.
E: It's that, if the Earth is moving, and the plane the same as it, if it goes fast, it would be the same as if there were no movement of the Earth for the plane.
B: It is moving forward but it would always be the same...
P: So you say that John is right, isn't it
Episode 29
P: And you too, that he is right? Yes, is John right? In this case I say: "that means that the Sun is moving", right?
N, E G: No
P: But John says: "letting the Sun not to set behind the sea"
L: Of course, it's not the Sun
N: It is the Earth that is put in front
I: What is setting is the sea
L: The idea is wrong
B: In his view, the Sun sets.
P: So he is not right?
L: No, he isn't
P: But before, you said…
E: Totally, no
P: Let's see...
I: As I said: One is a little bit right and the other a little bit right, too.
P: A little bit right? And what is the reason?... We, in our life, see things...in a...
E: He is wrong about the Sun moving.
L: John is not right, because when he says that the Sun moves, he is not right.
E: Sure
L: Well, when you say that…
B: It is us who are right.
I: But he is also right because he says that the plane moves very fast.
E: Of course, but he is not right in saying…
I: Aah
P: In other words, he is not right because...
I: John is right because he says the plane moves, and the other girl is right because she says the Earth moves.
Episode 30
P: Let's see what Betty says: “No, the Sun does not move. In reality, what happens is that the Earth is rotating below us, who are standing still in space.":
I: The fault with that one is that she says the plane is stopped.
E: I think she is right in that the Earth is rotating.
P: Wait, wait and see, first here and then there, otherwise we don't understand each other.
I: The flaw with that one is that she says the plane is stationary and it's not stationary. And the flaw that the other has is when he says...
P: Wait, wait, we're with Betty. You say that the plane is not stopped, right?.
I: Sure, it's not stationary.
P: And anything else around here? What do you say around here?
L: Regarding the space, yes it is stationary.
E: I don't think she's right, because...
B: Regarding the space.
L: Of course.
B: In the atmosphere, it is moving. Regarding the Earth. But with respect to space it is still.
E: It is not only doing the rotational motion with the Earth, otherwise it would not be still.
B: It's doing the opposite.
P: So is she right or wrong, Betty?
E: No. P: No, why?
B: She should have said that they are stationary with respect to space.
E: Because the Earth... the plane, if it had no speed, it would be doing the same rotation as... as the Earth.
B: Sure
N: They have to go at the same speed
E: It wouldn't be... it would be...
B: It would be stationary, but at the same time moving.
E: Sure.
Episode 31
P: Come on, tell me where Betty fails. I am Betty, I repeat: "The Sun does not move". Does she fail here?
S, U: No
P: "Actually, what's happening is that the Earth is rotating below us." Does she fail here?
E: There, of course.
B: No
S: There, neither
N: There is nothing wrong with that.
B: The Earth is rotating.
N: She doesn't fail, as long as the plane is moving. If the plane stays still, it does fail, because the plane would leave with the Earth.
P: In what Betty is saying, so far: “The Earth is rotating under…”
E: Ah, well, of course, of course, what he says.
B: Yes, yes, yes
A: But where does it move? The Earth moves.
B: The Earth must be rotating, because they are also rotating, and therefore…
N: Look, you have the plane here, and the Sun over here... Well, here... the Sun is here... and then you move this… and the Sun is... and the plane is stopped, you do that…
B: Sure, it wouldn't be rotating, but it would be in motion
P: No, but the Earth is….wait, wait…is that pen stationary? Move it, move it like you did before. Is that pen stationary, like that? is it standing
N: No, it's stopped, but it goes with the Earth.
P: But is it stationary?
B: Sure, it's stationary with respect to the Earth.
S: It is stationary with respect to space, but it moves with rotational motion.
N: It moves with the Earth.
L: But it is stationary... in terms of space it is not stationary.
I: It is respect to the Earth.
L: With respect to the Earth, it is stationary.
B: Regarding the Earth, of course.
P: I don't care...they tell me...let's see...do what you did before
N… (moving the globe while keeping the pen sticked to it)
P: Is that pen stationary? Do you see that pen stationary?
I: Regarding the Earth, yes.
P: But you see it standing?
I: No
E: It's that...
I: Oh, of course, the thing is that we are seeing it as if we were in space.
E: In space
P: But I say what Betty says, let's see...
L: Of course. Betty is…
P: She says: “No, the Sun does not move. In reality, what is happening is that the Earth is rotating below us” How would this be, what Betty is saying?
N … (moving the globe while keeping the pen at rest)
L: That
P: Betty is saying that
L: That. As we are in space, the plane is still.
P: That we are standing in space. What is wrong with Betty?
E: Oh, yes it could be!
B: But they are in the atmosphere, not in space.
N: No, because ... the plane has to move. … the plane looks like it's stopped, but...move...it's...No, well (he sits down).
G: But you don't look at anything, but if that happens, you would look at a changing Sun.
N: Sure, that's what I wanted to say. yes...yes...
P: Would you see the Sun change?
N: Sure
G: Of course, because you would look the day or the night coming, or how...
P: Let's see, how is that, let's see...
L: No, the Sun, yes this is the Sun, and to... (to M): Move the Earth there You always look at the Sun in the same…
N: Then I would look at the Sun during the whole trip.
E: Sure
L: Of course
N: And then…
L: Except when you land.
B: Well, there, the pen is in motion.
P: Is the pen moving? (moving the globe while keeping the pen near to it but at rest)
B: Regarding the Earth, yes.
P: Is the ball moving now?
E: I wouldn't have to be, if...
U: Regarding the Earth…
P: And with respect to the Sun?
L: No
U: Quiet
: And John replies, "How do you say that we're standing still, if the plane's engines are running?"
S: Because it has to do the opposite force to the rotation.
L: Because it has to…
B: It is fighting against the force of rotation
P: Is he right, then, John?
L: No
G: No, because...I think that...the plane moves. That is clear. The plane cannot be stationary
P: Why is it clear?
A: The plane goes with the Earth:
L: It depends on the movement. It depends where you look at it.
N: Sure. Man, if the…
P: Does it depend on where you look at it? From where...from where...
E: If you are on Earth, you do not appreciate the rotational motion, then the plane will be moving.
N: Of course, and if you are in space...
P: What about the Sun?
L: The Sun..
E: Also
L: Also
P: What if you are in the Sun?
L: The Earth moves
E: The Earth moves
N: So the plane is stopped.
E: And the plane is still.
S: It can't without moving.
U: But the plane…
P: And which of the points of view will be more correct?
L, E: That of the Sun
N: The Earth, because you live on Earth.
G: The Sun
A: The Sun
L: The Sun, because you are at a point that is still.
E: So Betty would be right?
L: Yes
N: But...well...yes
E: That this happens
G: If it was fixed……….
N: I think not
P: You think not? Well, this...now look, this...here
B: Ist is like these conveyer belts. The escalators. If you walk at the same speed down, and if they go up,
L: You are still.
B: You are in motion, but you are always in the same position, yes...
V: Of course, of course, of course.
B: If you go at the same speed as the belt, you keep the same motion, but you are also moving
N: You go down
A: You go down faster than…
L: It depends on where you look at it...
P: Regarding where you look at it... Well, then to finish, I'm going to give you a file where... Do you have any more questions?
S: No
P: Where you are going to record the speeds. Now, let's move on from the discussion... Notice that the Theory of Relativity deals with these things... eh? Relativity…Relative……..wherever you look at it.