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What would have been HP's best scientific calculator that can easily be carried around in ones shirt pocket? I'm kind of liking what I see in the 42s. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #2 Posted by Eric Smith on 21 Jan 2011, 11:49 p.m.,

in response to message #1 by Jim Yohe

The 48/49/50 series (and the 38/39/40 series) are too big for a shirt pocket, so the contenders are arguably the 41C series, 15C, 32S/32SII/33s/35s, the 42S, and the 28C/28S.If you need a way to save and load programs, the 41C series is your only choice, though it verges on being too big for a shirt pocket. The 42S is compatible with the 41C series, and better in some ways, but does not have any means of external input other then the keyboard.The 28C/28S are the only compact RPL scientifics. They also lack external input, but have more powerful symbolic capabilities than any of the other listed models. They may be too wide for some shirt pockets.For compact size, the 15C, 42S, and 32S/32SII/33s/35s are the best choices. I personally prefer the 15C, as it mostly avoids menus and such. You do have to remember the codes for matrix operations and conditionals, or look at the reference printed on the back of the calculator. However, the 15C also has the least available memory. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #3 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 22 Jan 2011, 2:57 p.m.,

in response to message #2 by Eric Smith

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My HP-15c is my all-time favorite. I used it steadily for 25 years as my carry-around calc, leaving other bigger calcs like my HP-48SX sitting stationary on my desk. A modern version with a faster processor and more storage memory would be awesome, but I think that's a pipe dream and is hard to justify given iPhone apps. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #4 Posted by bill platt on 22 Jan 2011, 5:38 p.m.,

in response to message #2 by Eric Smith

I never thought about it that way but wow! To think that the last machine HP made, which is pocket sized and I/O, dates to 78 and out of production in 90. Crazy!I think the sharps were way better from a pocketable I/O standpoint. I wish I had realized that they existed, back in the 80s. Then I might never have been so HP though... Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #5 Posted by Daniel Oliva on 22 Jan 2011, 12:44 a.m.,

in response to message #1 by Jim Yohe

Buy a large pocket shirt, put a 50g inside. I know many distingish between graphic and scientific, but in the end graphic calculators are also scientific. Hence the best HP scientific is the 50g in a large pocket shirt. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #6 Posted by bill platt on 22 Jan 2011, 5:39 p.m.,

in response to message #5 by Daniel Oliva

That's like carrying a boat anchor around. That's a much stronger statement than a pocket protector for sure;-) Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #7 Posted by db (martinez, ca.) on 22 Jan 2011, 12:45 a.m.,

in response to message #1 by Jim Yohe

i agree with eric, and would add that if you're going to use several programs , and/or use them infrequently; get a 41 or 42. those have the ability to prompt and label output. otherwise, the 15 is the smallest, the 33 is usually the cheapest and the 35s is the best combination of easy to get into and cheap.

on the other hand; eric has made some pretty good RPN calcs. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #8 Posted by Eric Smith on 22 Jan 2011, 2:59 a.m.,

in response to message #7 by db (martinez, ca.)

Quote:Do you know something we don't?Yes I do!I was commenting on db's statement that I have "made some pretty good RPN calcs" (in partnership with Richard Ottosen). Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #11 Posted by Jim Yohe on 22 Jan 2011, 12:57 p.m.,

in response to message #8 by Eric Smith

Give us a hint ... if you can. ;-) All that statement does is make us curious. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #12 Posted by db (martinez, ca.) on 22 Jan 2011, 2:03 p.m.,

in response to message #8 by Eric Smith

I share your feelings for the 42S. In addition to the points the previous posters made: If you want to get the 42's function set plus data & program I/O plus real speed, load Free42 on your PDA or iPhone. It may even be worthwhile getting a cheap PDA for this. The only drawback is the lack of real keys.BTW, carrying a 50g in your shirt pocket may turn you asymmetric d;-)And FYI: Pauli & me are working on a 30b repurposing project to convert that speedy banker's gadget into a real scientific. Thomas C. joined us for porting the code on the 30b.Edited: 22 Jan 2011, 2:07 a.m. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #14 Posted by Jim Yohe on 22 Jan 2011, 1:10 p.m.,

in response to message #13 by Walter B

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with ever since we saw a great mockup of what you showed the keyboard "should" look like earlier in "Thanks to our numerous supporters ...". Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #15 Posted by Geir Isene on 22 Jan 2011, 5:04 a.m.,

in response to message #1 by Jim Yohe

HP-41CXBecause of what is already mentioned. And because of new developments like the Clonix/NoV modules and the MLDL and the PIL-Box. And because more is coming. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #16 Posted by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) on 22 Jan 2011, 6:31 a.m.,

in response to message #1 by Jim Yohe

Quote:HP-41CLI'm not familiar with that -- is it an actual product? I tried googling it but that didn't turn up anything useful. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #19 Posted by Walter B on 24 Jan 2011, 1:16 a.m.,

in response to message #18 by Thomas Okken

I assume the family will continue then with 41CC, 41CD, 41CM d8-) Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #20 Posted by Monte Dalrymple on 24 Jan 2011, 1:33 p.m.,

in response to message #18 by Thomas Okken

Quote:Strictly speaking it isn't the "HP"-41CLIt's just the L that's not from HP... ;-)

Greetings,

Massimo Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #22 Posted by Thomas Okken on 24 Jan 2011, 9:39 p.m.,

in response to message #20 by Monte Dalrymple

So, it's vaporware, then? Not to belittle anything as cool as a project to resurrect the HP-41, but since we were talking about "the best scientific HP calculator", I figured we'd at least be talking about calculators that, well, exist. :-) Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #23 Posted by Monte Dalrymple on 24 Jan 2011, 10:01 p.m.,

in response to message #22 by Thomas Okken

Well, _one_ exists. It's on the desk in front of me. Then there's the testbed one in the other room. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #24 Posted by Thomas Okken on 24 Jan 2011, 10:51 p.m.,

in response to message #23 by Monte Dalrymple

So, it's like the Mercedes-Benz C111 then. It's cool, one or two of them exist, but you can't buy one. Still sounds like a prototype, i.e. something that has no place in a discussion of "best X product". In a discussion of "coolest X prototype", sure.Mind you, I don't mean to complain. Just wanted to make sure what's what. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #25 Posted by Mike Morrow on 24 Jan 2011, 11:03 p.m.,

in response to message #23 by Monte Dalrymple

I want my vintage calculators to be 100 percent vintage and with the original guts inside the box. What's the point otherwie?The only thing unique about the several HP-41 units I've owned since 1980 (including the perfect condition HP-41CX a few feet away from me now) is that they all had the best keyboard "feel" of any calculator that I've ever used. But the display is, compared to anything available for the past quarter century, very terribly limited.I wouldn't change a thing on the originals. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #26 Posted by db (martinez, ca.) on 25 Jan 2011, 1:22 a.m.,

in response to message #25 by Mike Morrow

Marcus, thank you for pointing these out.As far as named configurations, that is way beyond my programming skills, sorry. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #29 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 24 Jan 2011, 10:14 p.m.,

in response to message #22 by Thomas Okken

A working prototype was presented here last year: -sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv019.cgi?read=168952 Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #30 Posted by John Robinson on 25 Jan 2011, 1:10 a.m.,

in response to message #20 by Monte Dalrymple

Hey Monte,I had heard of the CL before, and this does interest me. Any idea of when they might be ready to sell ?, and the sell price ??ThanksJohn Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #31 Posted by Monte Dalrymple on 25 Jan 2011, 1:37 p.m.,

in response to message #30 by John Robinson

Beta units end of February. $225-$250. Re: HP's best scientific calculator?

Message #32 Posted by John B. Smitherman on 22 Jan 2011, 10:24 a.m.,

in response to message #1 by Jim Yohe

The 50g is the most comprehensive and complex scientific/graphing calculator on the market. With it comes a very steep learning curve and so because of this I'm not sure it's the best.Of the current HP scientific offerings the 33s/35s have a fairly complete set of function for most users. Both are easier to learn to use than the 50g.Using an old analogy of the longbow and crossbow - both have their uses and skills required for mastery but when used properly both are very effective.Regards,John Re: HP's best scientific calculator?