APCCIRN-035
APCCIRN-035
APCCIRN Meeting Minutes 1993.9.8
1993.8.20-21
San Francisco
FORMAL ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN FOLLOWING THE MEETING
APNIC Pilot Project takes place between September 1993 and June 1994. The
project is coordinated by Nakayama.
John Houlker coordinates commercial and general service providers in
Asia-Pacific.
* Agenda Item 1 Welcome/Approval of Agenda
APCCIRN Chair, Kilnam Chon opened the meeting at 13:30 with introduction of
participants and a review of the agenda. See Appendix for the participant
list.
* Agenda Item 5 Commercial/General Service Operations
Commercial and general service providers in USA gave overview presentations as
follows;
CIX by Bill Washburn
ANS by Guy Almes
Sprint by Farooq Hussain
Global Enterprise Service(JvNCnet) by Sergio Heker
Presentation materials are provided by CIX, ANS, and Sprint. We could not see
presentations from other relevant US service providers such as Cerfnet and
Alternet.
The following commercial and general service providers in Asia-Pacific gave
brief presentation as they are expected to give full presentation at the next
APCCIRN meeting in Taipei;
IIJ, Japan
ATT Jens, Japan
Dacom, Korea
Supernet, Hong Kong
Technet, Singapore
Cooperation and collaboration among the commercial and general service providers
in Asia and Pacific were discussed next. It was agreed that we need clearing
house for them, and the following collaboration needs to be discussed;
Within Asia and Pacific
Commercial/General Service Providers and R&E Service Providers
Between Asia-Pacific and Other Continents
The next meeting provides the forum to have presentations from the providers in
Asia and Pacific, and further issues shall be discussed. J. Houlker
volunteered to coordinate on this matter.
Kilnam Chon summarized the impact on the AP region of the earlier presentations
regarding the US transition. Things will be uncertain for awhile. There are
two real problems for the region: transit traffic and AUP. Further discussion
indicated that it is unclear what will be the impacts of the changes on NSFnet.
NASA is currently examining its policies on international links and the use of
"fat pipes" which can be multiplexed and shared with other agencies. A question
was raised as to whether the Japanese Real World Computing (RWC) link across the
U.S. could be used for international transit traffic. It was noted that there
are both technical and policy issues to be considered and that at this time RWC
has not made any decisions on this.
* Agenda Item 7f Project Report
Curtis Hardyck gave a brief report on the Pacific Neighborhood Consortium and
its activities. The next meeting will be in Hong Kong in January 1994.
* Agenda Item 2 Minutes Honolulu Meeting
The previous minutes were reviewed. These are available on-line through the
APCCIRN server.
* Agenda Item 3 Past Meeting Report
a) Kilnam Chon reviewed the activities of the CCIRN. Up to seven delegates from
each of the three regions can participate in the bi-annual meetings. There are
generally opportunities for additional participation from the region and
interested parties should contact the APCCIRN chair. Minutes are on-line
through the APCCIRN server.
b) Geoff Huston reviewed the activities of the IEPG. It has been largely
focusing on issues relating to scaling of the Internet. This includes the GIX,
routing registries and issues surrounding quality of service. Minutes are
on-line through the APCCIRN server.
c) Haruhisa Ishida reviewed the activities of the ISOC Board of Trustees (BOT).
More membership, especially corporate membership, from the region is needed.
The high individual membership fees were noted as a barrier to membership in the
region. There was interest in national or regional chapters in the AP area, but
the BOT has not yet established formal structures and procedures for chapters.
APCCIRN supports the BOT in moving forward with this.
Jun Murai reviewed the IAB and IETF and their activities including liaison to
international standards bodies such as ISO and ITU, work in IP scaling and
address space problems, security, copyright, CIDR and IP-Next Generation. Much
more participation from the region is urged, including electronically via the
mailing lists. IETF will meet in the AP region once every other year.
* Agenda Item 4 APCCIRN Document Update
Kilnam Chon reminded members that many documents and databases are available
through the APCCIRN servers. All members should provide up-to-date information
about all links, projects and contacts in their countries so that the databases
remain current and accurate.
* Agenda Item 6 Work Items
General discussion of work items took place in preparation for the next day's
working session. Key items were identified to be: APNIC, Developing Countries
and Internationalization/Localization. Others items were considered to be
background, monitoring and liaison activities at this time. More participants
from all countries are needed for all work items and signups were solicited.
Internationalization/Localization
All countries using non-English characters are especially urged to get involved
in this project. Jun Murai briefly presented their work on a multi-lingual
version of Emacs, MULE, which presents interfaces to most major applications.
An RFC has been submitted on their method of coding. He urged APCCIRN members
to experiment with this working software which already handles most languages in
the region using existing international standards. Discussion brought out the
variety of language coding standards. At the next APCCIRN meeting a long
session will be dedicated to making progress on this work item, with
presentations on each language followed by a general panel discussion.
Conference
All countries with national networking conferences are urged to send this
information to the APCCIRN secretariat. There was some consideration of how to
best expand this activity to serve developing countries, perhaps through a new
regional networking conference. Meeting participants reviewed various national
networking and other conferences. These include: Australia's AARNET meeting;
Korea's joint networking meeting, KRNET, which tries to serve both academics and
practitioners; Singapore's networking tutorial and workshop; Thailand is
thinking of a national networking seminar; and the Joint Workshop on Computing
and Communication (JWCC), an annual regional conference which started in 1986.
All meetings are experiencing exceptional growth and demand. Discussion took
place as to the best timing for APCCIRN meetings and related seminars which
might support developing countries, including the possibility of various
appropriate meetings with which to colocate. There was also some discussion of
establishing a new regional Internet-related meeting.
Developing Countries
More work is needed to bring developing countries on-line to the network. Other
international organizations are working in Latin America and Africa. The Middle
East is largely ignored. A project in the AP region is needed to help also. It
was also noted that only 12 of the 126 invitees to the INET '93 developing
countries workshop were from the AP region, and that this should be increased.
Australia has been active in supporting networking in developing countries in
the region. Something like the Africa project, RINAF, with support from the UN
and some developed countries, might be desirable. Discussion of possible
funding sources took place and will continue in the future.
The University of Sydney is willing to accept UUCP connections from any
developing country at no charge (other than the cost of the call to Sydney) and
provide access to the Internet. Sites with Unix machines can get improved
software to operate over dialup links for these connections. Also PEACESAT can
now provide the Pacific Basin with dialup access to the Internet via 9600bps
point-to-point satellite connections to the University of Hawaii.
APNIC
Jun Murai reviewed the development of the NIC movement from a single network
information center in the U.S. to regional/national NICs, primarily to handle
allocation of IP addresses. The international authority now lies with IANA,
under the auspices of ISOC. The vision now is for an global NIC with regional
authority delegated to regional NICs, such as InterNIC in the Americas and RIPE
NCC in Europe. More information on past APCCIRN discussions is in the past
minutes on the server. A decision on how to move forward is required at the
next APCCIRN meeting.
Status reports from the KRNIC and JPNIC national NIC projects were presented.
Then, Jun Murai proposed changes in the pilot project on AP Network Information
Center (APNIC), which was approved at the last meeting . The project period is
changed to September 1993 - June 1994. The most important function would
be handling block allocation of addresses in the region. This might help if and
when CIDR technology is deployed, in order to help routing in Asia and the
Pacific. It was recommended that members from each country participate in the
APNIC Pilot Project. If approved by the APCCIRN, this pilot project would help
determine how to meet the needs in the region over the long-term. During the
pilot phase, prime focus would be on the Internet Registry and Routing Registry
functions. Limited attention would be given to informational functions until
after a decision on a long-term approach for the region. JPNIC has agreed to
provide resources for the pilot project.
Some of the issues to be studied during the pilot include: how to allocate
address space, how to work with international networks, how to identify and work
with country contacts, etc. During discussion it was decided that APCCIRN would
serve as a de facto Board during the pilot, that the pilot should run through
June 1994 in order to provide time for a transition from the pilot to an
operational APNIC. A group will be formed to develop proposals for funding the
APNIC over the long term after the pilot.
* Agenda Item 7 Meetings/Project Report
The next APCCIRN meeting will address commercial operation, the APNIC,
Internationalization/Localization, and link/transit traffic issues. Possible
meetings around which APCCIRN could be colocated are: JWCC in Taiwan in
December, an AIT networking meeting in Bangkok in January, PNC in Hong Kong in
January, or the CCIRN meeting which will be in Asia in January. Several members
proposed that meeting just before JWCC in Taipei on December 10-11 would be
desirable. The next meeting after that will be colocated around INET '94 in
Prague, tentatively June 17-18.
Other future networking meetings were discussed. The following is the current
schedule;
1993.11.1-5 IETF Houston
12.10-11 APCCIRN Taiwan
12.12-14 JWCC Taiwan
1994. 1.17-18 PNC Hong Kong
3. IEPG/IETF Seattle
6.13-17 INET Prague, Czech
6.17-18 APCCIRN Prague, Czech
6.20-21 CCIRN (Europe)
7. IETF Toronto
In addition, Interop will be held as follows;
1993.10.25-29 Paris
1994. 5.2-6 Las Vegas
6.6-10 Berlin
7.25-29 Tokyo
9. Atlanta
10.24-28 Paris
APPENDIX: APCCIRN Meeting Participants 1993.9.1
Robin Erskine Australia Australian National University
Geoff Huston Australia AARNET
Bob Kummerfeld Australia University of Sydney
Yinglin Ma China Chinese Academy of Sciences
Hualin Qian China Chinese Academy of Sciences
Yuhany Zhang China Chinese Academy of Sciences
Che-Hoo Cheng Hong Kong The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Bob Coggershall Hong Kong Supernet
Kin-Ming Fung Hong Kong The Chinese University of Hong Kong
R. Santoso Indonesia BPP Teknologi
Akiko Aizawa Japan NACSIS
Shoichiro Asano Japan NACSIS
David Conrad Japan IIJ
H. Fukubeppu Japan CAREN
Shigeki Goto Japan
Masaki Hirabaru Japan Kyushu University
Haruhisa Ishida Japan University of Tokyo
T. Kumazawa Japan CAREN
Jun Matsukata Japan ISAS
Toshifumi Matsumoto Japan AT&T Jens/Spin Project
Takayasu Matsuzaki Japan IBM Japan
Mizuho Mori Japan BITNETJP/JOIN
Masaya Nakayama Japan University of Tokyo / JPNIC
Devendra Narayan Japan CAREN
Okwhan Byun Korea KREONet / SERI
Kilnam Chon Korea Academic Network Council
Sunyoung Han Korea Konkuk University
John Houlker New Zealand NZREIN
S. Rizvi Pakistan
MunHow Chew Singapore National Science and Technology
Milton Choo Singapore National University of Singapore
Mun-Hou Choo Singapore NSTB
Abhaya Induruwa Sri Lanka University of Moratuwa
Chien-Liu Chen Taiwan Institute for Information Industry
Wen-Sung Chen Taiwan Ministry of Education
Albert Liou Taiwan Institute for Information Industry
Li-Ming Tseng Taiwan National Centeral University
Tanongkiete Auponno Thailand Chiangmai University
M. Chiwaganont Thailand
Prachak Poomvises Thailand Chulalongkorn University
Kamales Santivejkul Thailand Chulalongkorn University
Guy Almes USA ANS
Robert Collet USA Sprint
Curtis Hardyck USA Pacific Neighborhood Consortium
Sergio Heker USA Global Enterprise Services Inc.
David Lassner USA University of Hawaii / PACCOM
Rozanne Streeter USA NASA
Bill Washburn USA CIX
Ken Adler USA/HK Penril Datability Inc.
Farooq Hussain USA/UK Sprint