"He stated his identity: "We are three persons in one same person: THE FATHER, I, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT." (page 12) "We are three (3) persons in one (1) same person." It is thus that he said to me that he is God. (page 13) I have seen GOD, the GOD of the UNIVERSE!" Jeanine Sautron, Dreams and Visions #508, June 11, 2016.

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him" John 1:18.

Exodus 33:20

But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

Exodus 33:23

"Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen."

John 6:46

not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father.

2 Corinthians 4:4

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image (copy/likeness) of God.

Download full D&V #514 vision here.

"The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one" Ellen White, 8T, p. 269.

Jeanine Sautron states, (translated from French into English by Roy Lemke): "He stated his identity: "We are three persons in one same person: THE FATHER, I, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT." (12) "We are three (3) persons in one (1) same person." It is thus that he said to me that he is God. (13) I have seen GOD, the GOD of the UNIVERSE!" Jeanine Suatron, Dreams and Visions #508, June 11, 2016.

Here is what this means:

1. There is one God (i.e., one proper object of religious devotion).

2. The one God is a single divine being/person, the LORD (Jehovah, Yahweh).

3. The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is God.

4. The Son, Jesus Christ, is God.

5. The Holy Spirit is God.

6. The Father is not the Son.

7. The Father is not the Holy Spirit.

8. The Son is not the Holy Spirit.

Sister Jeanine Sautron must affirm and insist upon all of the above beliefs in order to logically confess this doctrine and if a single one of these beliefs is shown to be false, the entire doctrine disintegrates and is thereby proven to be totally false. Every single point must be valid for the overall doctrine to be valid. These points provide no room for doctrinal adjustments since no adjustments are possible to these points without destroying the overall doctrine itself:

Jeanine Sautron states: "He stated his identity: "We are three persons in one same person: THE FATHER, I, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT." (12) "We are three (3) persons in one (1) same person." It is thus that he said to me that he is God. (13) I have seen GOD, the GOD of the UNIVERSE!" Jeanine Suatron, Dreams and Visions #508, June 11, 2016.

Ellen White states: "The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one" Ellen White, 8T, p. 269.

"Martin Luther, and other reformers, arose in the strength of God, and with the Word and Spirit, made mighty strides in the Reformation. The greatest fault we can find in the Reformation is, the Reformers stopped reforming. Had they gone on, and onward, till they had left the last vestige of Papacy behind, such as natural immortality, sprinkling, the trinity, and Sunday-keeping, the church would now be free from her unscriptural errors." (James White, February 7, 1856, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 19, page 148, par. 26).

“The third angel's message was, and still is, a WARNING to the saints to "hold fast," and not go back, and "receive" the marks (of the beast=TRINITY, SUNDAY WORSHIP) which the virgin band got rid of, during the second angel's cry” A Word to the "Little Flock" JAMES WHITE, Topsham, Maine April 21, 1847.

As fundamental errors, we might class with this counterfeit sabbath other errors which Protestants have brought away from the Catholic church, such as sprinkling for baptism, the trinity, the consciousness of the dead and eternal life in misery. The mass who have held these fundamental errors, have doubtless done it ignorantly; but can it be supposed that the church of Christ will carry along with her these errors till the judgment scenes burst upon the world? We think not. “Here are they [in the period of a message given just before the Son of man takes his place upon the white cloud, Rev. 14:14] that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.” This class, who live just prior to the second advent, will not be keeping the traditions of men, neither will they be holding fundamental errors relative to the plan of salvation through Jesus Christ. And as the true light shines out upon these subjects, and is rejected by the mass, then condemnation will come upon them. When the true Sabbath is set before men, and the claims of the fourth commandment are urged upon them, and they reject this holy institution of the God of heaven, and choose in its place an institution of the beast, it can then be said, in the fullest sense, that such worship the beast. The warning message of the third angel is given in reference to that period, when the mark of the beast will be received, instead of the seal of the living God. Solemn dreadful, swiftly approaching hour! (James White, September 12, 1854, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 5, page 36, par. 8)

“Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ, and of sprinkling or pouring instead of being “buried with Christ in baptism,” “planted in the likeness of his death:” but we pass from these fablesto notice one that is held sacred by nearly all professed Christians, both Catholic and Protestant. It is, The change of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment from the seventh to the first day of the week.” (James White, December 11, 1855,Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 11, page 85, par. 16)

“The “mystery of iniquity” began to work in the church in Paul’s day. It finally crowded out the simplicity of the gospel, and corrupted the doctrine of Christ, and the church went into the wilderness. Martin Luther, and other reformers, arose in the strength of God, and with the Word and Spirit, made mighty strides in the Reformation. The greatest fault we can find in the Reformation is, the Reformers stopped reforming. Had they gone on, and onward, till they had left the last vestige of Papacy behind, such as natural immortality, sprinkling, the trinity, and Sunday- keeping, the church would now be free from herunscriptural errors.” (James White, February 7, 1856, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 19, page 148, par. 26)

“We have not as much sympathy with Unitarians that deny the divinity of Christ, as with Trinitarians who hold that the Son is the eternal Father, and talk so mistily about the three-one God. Give the Master all that divinity with which the Holy Scriptures clothe him. ..”(from : Review and Herald June 6, 1871 James and Ellen White’s – Western Tour.)

“We invite all to compare the testimonies of the Holy Spirit through Mrs. W., with the word of God. And in this we do not invite you to compare them with your creed. That is quite another thing. The trinitarian may compare them with his creed, and because they do not agree with it, condemn them. The observer of Sunday, or the man who holds eternal torment an important truth, and the minister that sprinkles infants, may each condemn the testimonies’ of Mrs. W. because they do not agree with their peculiar views. And a hundred more, each holding different views, may come to the same conclusion. But their genuineness can never be tested in this way.” { James White RH June 13, 1871}

“He(Jame White) received a commendation that few others have attained. God has permitted the precious light of truth to shine upon His word and illuminate the mind of my husband. He may reflect the rays of light from the presence of Jesus upon others by his preaching and writing.”{E. G. White, Testimonies for the Church Volume 3, p. 502}

“Many of the pioneers, who shared with us these trials and victories, remained true till the close of life, and have fallen asleep in Jesus. Among these is the faithful warrior who for thirty-six years stood by my side in the battle for truth. God used him as a teacher and leader to stand in the front ranks during the severe struggles of those early days of the message; but he has fallen at his post, and, with others who have died in the faith, he awaits the coming of the Lifegiver, who will call him from his gloomy prison-house to a glorious immortality.” {RH, November 20, 1883 par. 6}

THE THINGS SDA PIONEERS GOT RID OF - or reformed on - were SUNDAY worship and false god worship... read the two quotes above again... I need to write a whole paper on that topic alone... or at least a short article on it... you could help me with it. :)

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com> wrote:

Attached is Dreams and Visions Chapter 508 by Jeanine Sautron.

Roy Lemke

royallastgleam@aol.com

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Dreams and Visions #508 in PDF, download here.

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Excerpt from Dreams and Visions #508:

Dreams and Visions #508 in PDF, download here.

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From: Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 10:18 PM

Subject: Re: D&V 508

To: Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Dear Brother Lemke,

I have a question for you or need some clarification on the God Sister Sautron met in the Most Holy Place [Dreams and Visions #508 in PDF, download here.]. Was it God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit in one being?

Thank you for clarifying.

Cindy Haynes

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From: Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 6:48 PM

Subject: The 2,000 Year Old Priceless Gift

To: David Clayton <vidclay@gmail.com>, Imad Awde <imad@revelation1412.org>

Hi Brother David,

I finally found the evidence that Dreams and Visions group believe in the Trinity. This video states plainly that they believe in the Trinity! About 3 minutes or so into the video...

Here's the video link:

https://youtu.be/j6yN_5xaRUI

As of 6/17/16 @ 6:41 AM The #508 Jeanine Satron video message has been removed by youtube user (raysandbeam soflight) Roy Lemke:

Here's the previous message: 507 video clip...notice the new "logo":

An Occult Satanic Symbol:

6-pointed stars

Learn more here about how the 6 pointed star is a Satanic logo. Why would Roy Lemke pick an occult logo for Dreams and Visions messages?!!! = Why not the THREE ANGELS LOGO???

End time delusions abound today.

It was so shocking for me today. It is so terrible, to watch people being deceived. I pray God to keep us from the many delusions that will take the world captive.

None but those who have fortified the mind with the truths of the Bible will stand through the last great conflict.--The Great Controversy, pp. 593, 594 (1911).

Only those who have been diligent students of the Scriptures and who have received the love of the truth will be shielded from the powerful delusion that takes the world captive.--The Great Controversy, p. 625 (1911).

Our people need to understand the oracles of God; they need to have a systematic knowledge of the principles of revealed truth, which will fit them for what is coming upon the earth and prevent them from being carried about by every wind of doctrine.--Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 273 (1885).

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From: Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Date: Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:02 AM

Subject: Re: D&V 508

To: weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com

When John was there in that place in Revelation 4:4 and 4:8, he saw "the four living creatures" with six wings each, who said, "holy, holy, holy, Master Yahweh Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come!" Did John see God the father, or God the son? ["God the Son" not found in the Bible and insinuates that Jesus is the eternal God the Father] And in Revelation 4:11, he heard the 24 elders say, "Master, you are worthy to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and through your will they exist and were created," did John see Yahweh (the eternal creator father) or the son Yahweh (the eternal creator who "shall save his people from their sins")? See Matthew 1:21. Yahshua means, Yahweh, the eternal creator [Cindy's notes: infers Jesus is His own eternal Father, which means Jesus is immortal and could not die], shall save his people from their sins, according to Matthew 1:21.

Good question!

Roy Lemke

royallastgleam@aol.com

Holiness (sanctification) to Yahweh (the mind must belong to Yahweh), the eternal creator of all created beings ("holiness, without which no man shall see God.")!

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua!

"Fear God and give glory to him for the hour of his judgment has come. Worship Yahweh, the eternal creator, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and the springs of waters! God's churches have fallen into the idolatry (of Babylon) of worshiping men, and have received Babylon's Sunday image idolatry, its 666 mark, name, and number to buy and sell from the merchants of the earth and the banks of the earth. If any man does these things he will drink the wine of the undiluted wrath of God. Here is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God (including worshiping the eternal creator on the 7th day Sabbath memorial of creation, instead of Babylon's sun-god Sunday) and the faithful testimonies of Jesus....

(the "faith of Jesus" is "being born again... by the word of God," Jesus (the Eternal Creator--"God with us"--who "shall save his people from their sins") abiding within, who works his works of commandment-keeping righteousness, truth, grace, and love).

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From: Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Date: Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:52 PM

Subject: Re: Trinity?

To: onlyonecomforter@hotmail.com

Neither the Bible, spirit of prophecy, or Dreams and Visions has ever used the word "TRINITY."

When I look up the word "TRINITY" in the dictionary, I see that it means "THREE GODS."

Neither the Bible, spirit of prophecy, or Dreams and Visions has ever mentioned there being "THREE GODS."

What is mentioned in the Bible, spirit of prophecy, and Dreams and Visions is that there is ONE GOD, and his name is YAHWEH (or JEHOVAH) (meaning Eternal self-existing Creator of all other beings).

What is mentioned in the Bible, spirit of prophecy, and Dreams and Visions is:

Yahweh, the eternal creator, the father

Yahweh, the eternal creator, the son,

("whose name is called "the word of God")

(whose name, YAHshua, means Yahweh, the eternal creator, "shall save his people from their sins" Matt. 1:21)

("He who sees me has seen the father." John 14:9)

Yahweh, the eternal creator, the holy sanctifying spirit.

The spirit of prophecy of EG White and Jeanine Sautron, both, confirm that they are ONE. These two prophets both confirm that there is NO TRINITY (NO THREE GODS), but one God, who manifests himself in the three personages of the father, son, and holy spirit.

[role playing idea again. Joseph Bates said to his Father, "'If you can convince me that we are one in this sense, that you are my father, and I your son; and also that I am your father, and you my son, then I can believe in the Trinity'" The Autobiography of Elder Joseph Bates, 1868, pp. 204, 205.]

What serious objection is there to the doctrine of the trinity?

James White was editor of the Review and Herald in 1861. In November of that year, he published J. N. Loughborough’s answer to the question, "what serious objection is there to the doctrine of the trinity?"Loughborough replied: There are many objections which we might urge, but on account of our limited space we shall reduce them to the following: 1. It is contrary to common sense. 2. It is contrary to Scripture. 3. It’s origin is Pagan and fabulous (a fable or lie). Review and Herald, XVIII (November 5, 1861), 184

What the Trinity Doctrine blasphemes is the fact that Jesus shed His Holy Spirit OMNIPRESENCE forever, to become invested with humanity - that Christ is now both human and Divine forever and the Spirit we are to receive is BOTH human and Divine, the Spirit of Christ blended, human and divine. For a good explaination of this see The Promised Life artlce by Imad Awde from Revelation1412.org here

. This is one of the greatest condescension's of the Incarnation, and the Trinity Doctrine denies this great sacrifice on the part of our Lord, Jesus Christ. The trinity doctrine teaches that this other spirit which is separate from Christ's breath of His own Spirit, His own life, abides in men, rather than the 2,000 year old life of CHRIST'S OWN divine and human body (Hebrews 10:5 "a body thou has prepared for me...only one man is being saved out of this whole world - and our only hope is to get in this one man's body that risen quickened body that God snatched back to Heaven and is now in the Most Holy Place in the Heavenly Sanctury per John 14:20) blended with humanity LIFE abiding in men. This is an abomination. This is blasphemy. This is antichrist. James White, J.N. Andrews, and ALL the other SDA pioneers recognized this truth.

When we look at Genesis Chapter 1, we see present Yahweh the father, we see present "the word of God" by which the worlds were made (YAHshua, the son of YAHWEH--"whose name is called the word of God." Revelation 19:10), and we see the spirit of Yahweh moving upon the face of the deep, The word "spirit" comes from the Hebrew word "ruach" and as used in Genesis 1:2, it means WIND (that is sensible), BREATH OF LIFE (which was breathed into man, and man became a living being; "BREATH" that has mind, communication, LIFE and POWER), MIND (the mind of Christ that says, "This is the way; walk ye in it."), and SPIRIT.

[Cindy's note: Our self-denied, surrendered to Christ, human desire/choices blended with the Spirit of Christ to become in constant agreement with Christ, our Father...Remember Christ has a God and Father also...Christ get's everything from His God and Father, we get everything from Christ, the Second Adam, who is our God and Father. The Son is 'the everlasting Father,' (not the eternal Father) not of himself, nor of his Father, but of his children. His language is, 'I and the children which God hath given me.' Heb. 2:13.

We are to PRAY to the ETERNAL FATHER in the NAME of His Son. "In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name" John 16:23.

"NAME" definition: "a word or set of words by which a person, animal, place, or thing is known, addressed, or referred to".

The Son of God 'hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than' the angels. That name is the name (WORDS) of his Father.

More on WORDS here: https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/words

Christ came to GIVE us His Father's WORDS, or NAMES. "Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life" John 6:68.

Prov 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Jesus is the THOUGHT of God made audible.

Christ's words were the echo of His Father's words.

We are to be the ECHO of Christ's words!

The Son is 'the everlasting Father,' not of himself, nor of his Father, but of his children. His language is, 'I and the children which God hath given me.' Heb. 2:13.

"My father, who had been a deacon of long standing with them, labored to convince me that they were right in points of doctrine...I said to my father, 'If you can convince me that we are one in this sense, that you are my father, and I your son; and also that I am your father, and you my son, then I can believe in

the Trinity.'...In a few days I was immersed and joined the Christian church" The Autobiography of Elder Joseph Bates, 1868, pp. 204, 205.

Who is Christ?—He is the only begotten Son of the living God. He is to the Father as a word that expresses the thought,—as a thought made audible. Christ is the word of God. Christ said to Philip, “He that hath seen me, hath seen the Father.” His words were the echo of God's words. Christ was the likeness of God, the brightness of his glory, the express image of his person. If men would learn to escape the corruptions that are in the world through lust, they must learn what the statement of Christ means, when he says, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” YI June 28, 1894, par. 9

We are to be doers of Christ's words, and not hearers only. Having our names registered in the church books will not save us. We are to be saved as individual members of Christ's body. We are to be individual workers with Christ in the great plan of salvation, and partakers at last with him in his glory. We are not to follow the customs and traditions of men; for they are far from the ways of God. We are ever to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. YI June 28, 1894, par. 10

Mrs. E. G. White YI June 28, 1894

"the Word of God is His character in human language; Christ

was that Word lived in human form" The Seer of Patmos by Stephen N. Haskell.

"You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will remain--so that whatever you ask the Father in My name (), He will give you" John 15:16.

"It may be objected, If the Father and the Son are two distinct beings, do you not, in worshipping the Son and calling him God, break the first commandment of the decalogue? "No; it is the Father's will 'That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father.' We cannot break the commandment and dishonor God by obeying him. The Fathers says of the Son, 'Let all the angels of God worship him.' Should angels refuse to worship the Son, they would rebel against the Father. Children inherit the name of their Father. The Son of God 'hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than' the angels. That name is the name (WORDS) of his Father. The Father says to the Son, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever.' Heb.1. The Son is called 'The mighty God.' Isa. 9:6. And when he comes again to earth his waiting people will exclaim, 'This is our God.' Isa. 25:9. It is the will of the Father that we should thus honor the Son. In doing so we render supreme honor to the Father. If we dishonor the Son, we dishonor the Father; for he requires us to honor his son. "But though the Son is called God yet there is a 'God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ' 1Pet. 1:3. Though the Father says to the Son, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever,' yet, that throne is given him of his Father; and because he loved righteousness and hated iniquity, he further says, 'Therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee.' Heb. 1:9. 'God hath made that same Jesus both Lord and Christ.' Acts. 2:36. The Son is 'the everlasting Father,' not of himself, nor of his Father, but of his children. His language is, 'I and the children which God hath given me.' Heb. 2:13." Review and Herald, June 1, 1869.

The 100% Divine and 100% Human quickened Spirit (1 Cor 15:45) of Christ, the PROMISED GIFT that quickens our mortal bodies per Romans 8:11 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you" = for a good explanation of this - see Imad Awde's paper about the PROMISED LIFE/GIFT here: http://revelation1412.org/files/3914/5446/0595/The_Promised_Life.pdf

The Catholic god version:

"the Christian Godhead as one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

This is called "Christian" - if you believe in the Trinity, you are a "Christian", if not you are a heretic....like Acts 24:14 states Jesus and the apostles were heretics "But this I confess unto thee, that after the way (Jesus is The Way) which they call heresy (nontrinitarian or 1 God, 1 Son, chiefly that Jesus had a beginning or origin before His birth in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2 ), as the firstborn of Heaven was given in John 3:16 "For God so loved, that He GAVE" if God did not have a Son to GIVE that is calling God a liar that He did not have a son to GIVE to mankind), so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets".

We desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect (heretics who believe that Jesus was twice born, first of the Spirit, then of the flesh), we know that every where it is spoken against" Acts 28:22.

"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins (beginning) are from of old, from ancient times" Micah 5:2 NIV.

Origin definition:

the point or place where something begins, arises, or is derived

synonyms: beginning, start, commencement, origination, genesis, birth, dawning, dawn, emergence, creation, birthplace, cradle;

“Satan is now using every device in this sealing time, to keep the minds of God's people from the present, sealing truth; and to cause them to waver. I saw a covering that God was drawing over his people, to protect them in the time of trouble; and every soul that was decided on the truth, and was pure in heart, was to be covered with the covering of Almighty God. Satan knew this, and was at work in mighty power, to keep the minds of as many as he possibly could unsettled, and wavering on the truth.” --{Sons and Daughters of God, p. 342.2}

The God PIONEER ADVENTISTS worshiped:

1872 Fundamental Statement of Beliefs:

I. That there is one God, a personal, spiritual being, the creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal, infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by his representative, the Holy Spirit. Ps. 139:7.

II. That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father, the one by whom God created all things, and by whom they do consist; that he took on him the nature of the seed of Abraham for the redemption of our fallen race; that he dwelt among men full of grace and truth, lived our example, died our sacrifice, was raised for our justification, ascended on high to be our only mediator in the sanctuary in Heaven, where, with his own blood he makes atonement for our sins; which atonement so far from being made on the cross, which was but the offering of the sacrifice, is the very last portion of his work as priest according to the example of the Levitical priesthood, which foreshadowed and prefigured the ministry of our Lord in Heaven. See Lev. 16; Heb. 8:4, 5; 9:6, 7; &c. Source: https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/1872-fundamental-statement-of-beliefs more info about the original doctrines of the SDA movement here: https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/stay-on-the-ship/historical-biblical-or-papal-adventists

Jeanine Sutrons Dreams and Visions Catholic (not Trietheism flavored like the modern SDA's version of a triune, tri-god) flavored Triune God statements so far:

Jeanine said in her 508 message:

He stated his identity:

"We are three persons in one same person:

THE FATHER,

I, THE SON,

AND THE HOLY SPIRIT."

"We are three (3) persons in one (1) same person." It is thus that he said to me that he is GOD.

Basically One God body with THREE HEADS....

Consider, Yahweh, the father, is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. Then consider well, Jesus, "Yahweh with us," "whose name is called the word of Yahweh," "upholding all things by the word of his power." What does it take to "uphold all things by the word of his power"? It takes omnipresence, omniscience, and omnipotence.

• “Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit” Jeremiah 2:11.

• "Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks" Jeremiah 50:8 (KJV).

• “Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry” 1 Corinthians 10:14.

• "Jesus answered, "See to it that you are not deceived. For many will come in My name, claiming, 'I am He,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them" Luke 21:8.

2 Corinthians 11:3-5 (KJV) warns us not to be deceived by ANOTHER JESUS, ANOTHER SPIRIT, ANOTHER GOSPEL. Yet how many are fooled by the Bible sounding names given to the Pagan trinity of gods created by Nimrod & Satan today?

“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with (beware of) him.” 2 Corinthians 11:3-5

It’s right there in the Bible, warning not to worship the trinity of gods, if we are awake and studying.

What Does The Bible Teach?

While Jesus is often called the Son of God in the Bible, nobody in the first century ever thought of him as being “God the Son”. Even the demons, which “believe there is one God”, knew from their experience in the spirit realm that Jesus was not God. They addressed Jesus as the separate Son of God. Matthew 8:28, 29 refers to the demons speaking to Jesus through a possessed man saying, “What have we to do with you, Son of God?” They did not refer to Jesus as “God the Son”. Also when Jesus died, the pagan Roman soldiers that were standing by said, “Certainly this was God’s Son. (Matthew 27:54)

The disciples viewed Jesus as the “one mediator between God and men,” (1 Timothy 2:5) not as God himself. A mediator by definition is someone separate from those who need mediation.

The apostle Peter clearly makes the distinction of Father and Son and that Jesus had a God that resurrected him, by saying “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.” (1 Peter 1:3). The apostle Paul similarly states “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ.” (Ephesians 1:3)

The God of heaven saw it fit to establish the Advent movement on a solid foundation of truth. This foundation included a correct understanding of who He is. The Advent band was not left to wander through the multiplied delusions of the spiritualizers. From the earliest visions God assured His children of the reality of His being. “I have often seen the lovely Jesus, that He is a person. I asked Him if His Father was a person and had a form like Himself. Said Jesus, “I am in the express image of My Father’s person.” I have often seen that the spiritual view took away all the glory of heaven […]” {E.G. White, Early Writings, p. 77}

Does the Bible Support the Idea of the Trinity?

While the word Trinity is not found in the Bible, is the concept of the Trinity taught clearly in it?

• The Encyclopedia of Religion Vol. 15 1987 admits: “Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity.”

• The New Catholic Encyclopedia: “The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament.”

• The Encyclopedia of Religion says: “Theologians agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the Trinity.”

• The Encyclopedia Britannica 1976 observes: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.”

• Protestant theologian Karl Barth as quoted in The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology 1976 similarly states: “The New Testament does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. The Bible lacks the express declaration the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of equal essence.”

• The Illustrated Bible Dictionary records: "The word Trinity is not found in the Bible. . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century."

• The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the Trinity "is not. . . directly and immediately the word of God."

• “The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the catholic church. Upon it are based all the teachings of the church”[Handbook for Todays Catholic Page 11] Yes you read it right.

• Revelation 17:5 (King James Version) "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

• “In God there are three persons, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, equal in all perfections.” The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p 31 by Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., Imprimatur - September 16, 1957.

• The Seventh-day Adventist Church "(Fundamental Belief) 2. The Trinity."There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal persons." 1986 SDA Church Manual, chapter 2, p 23 (see also Seventh-day Adventists Believe...27 Fundamental Beliefs, p 16, 22).

• The Encyclopedia of Religion And Ethics records: At first the Christian Faith was not Trinitarian. . . It was not so in the apostolic and sub-apostolic ages, as reflected in the New Testament and other early Christian writings."

• L. L. Paine, professor of Ecclesiastical History acknowledged: "The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there . . . is utterly without foundation."

• The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: "Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity."

• Jesuit Edmund Fortman wrote in his book, The Triune God: ". . . There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a Trinity within the Godhead. . . Even to see in the Old Testament suggestions or foreshadowings or 'veiled signs' of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers."

• The Encyclopedia of Religion says: "Theologians agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the Trinity."

• The New Encyclopedia Britannica reports: "Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament."

• The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology confirms: "The New Testament does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity."

• Jesuit Fortman similarly states: "The New Testament writers. . . give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. . . Nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead."

• Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins affirms in the Origin and Evolution of Religion: "To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . .they say nothing about it."

• Historian Arthur Weigall records in The Paganism in Our Christianity: "Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word 'Trinity' appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord."

• Likewise, the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was notgenerally held by the early Adventists. Even today a few do not subscribe to it.” (Adventist Review, January 6, 1994, page 10, 11) Matthew 7:14 “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”

• TODAY’S SDA LEADERSHIP SAYS:“Some will tend to resist this doctrine (the trinity) because

• Holy Bible found in Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

• Ellen White: "He [Enoch] also saw the corrupt state of the world when Christ should appear the second time--that there would be a boastful, presumptuous, self-willed generation,denying the only God and the Lord Jesus Christ, trampling upon the law, and despising the atonement. He saw the righteous crowned with glory and honor, and the wicked banished from the presence of the Lord, and destroyed by fire."http://www.whiteestate.org/books/pp/pp6.html

• James White: The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed. (James White, January 24, 1846,The Day Star)

• James White: “The inexplicable Trinity that makes the Godhead three in one and one in three, is bad enough; but that ultra Unitarianism that makes Christ inferior to the Father is worse. Did God say to an inferior, “Let us make man in our image?”...." The question of the state of the dead is not a practical subject. And yet we discuss it in order to warn the people against spiritualism. The question of the trinity and the unity is not practical, and yet we call attention to it to guard the people against that terrible heresy that takes from our all-conquering Redeemer his divine power." (James White, Review and Herald November 29th article ‘Christ Equal with God’ 1877) http://www.adventistarchives.org/docs/RH/RH18771129-V50-22__B.pdf#view=fit

• Judson Washburn: “The doctrine of the Trinity is a cruel heathen monstrosity, removing Jesus from his true position of Divine Savior and Mediator.” (Judson Washburn, letter to SDA General Conference 1940)

• “Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.” Jeremiah 2:11

• The God of heaven saw it fit to establish the Advent movement on a solid foundation of truth.This foundation included a correct understanding of who He is. The Advent band was not left to wander through the multiplied delusions of the spiritualizers. From the earliest visionsGod assured His children of the reality of His being. “I have often seen the lovely Jesus, that He is a person. I asked Him if His Father was a person and had a form like Himself. Said Jesus, “I am in the express image of My Father’s person.” I have often seen that the spiritual view took away all the glory of heaven […]” {E.G. White, Early Writings, p. 77}

CHRISTIANS OF THE FIRST THREE CENTURIES HAD NO EXPLICIT TRINITARIAN DOCTRINE

• The New Catholic Encyclopedia notes: "The formulation 'one god in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. . . Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."

• The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology states: "Primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds."

• The Encyclopedia Americana plainly reports: "Fourth Century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching."

• The Ethnic Trinities by L. L. Paine, page 219, states that the development of the trinity was an evolutionary process. "The Christian dogma did not start from a polytheistic or pantheistic ground, but from Jewish monotheism; but the development from one God to a trinity was just as completely a historical evolution as any other."

THE TRINITY IDEA WAS INFUSED INTO CHRISTIANITY THROUGH PAGAN GREEK PLATONIC THOUGHT

• • The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge plainly documents the historical influence that Greek Philosophy had on the development of the Trinity: "The doctrine of the Logos and the Trinity received their shape from Greek Fathers, who. . . were much influenced, directly or indirectly, by the Platonic philosophy . . . That errors and corruptions crept into the Church from this source can not be denied."

  • The book entitled, The Church of the Fist Three Centuries acknowledges: "The doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation: . . . it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian Scriptures; . . . it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity, through the hands of the Platonizing Fathers."

  • The Platonizing Fathers were the Greek Philosophers that became Christian but continued to follow the teachings of Plato. These Philosophers mixed Christians Ideas with Pagan Greek Philosophy to formulate the concept of a three person Godhead. The apostle Paul warned the Greek Colossian city, "Beware lest any man cheat you through philosophy and vain deceit. . .(Colossians 2:8)" What kind of philosophy was Paul warning about? Since Paul was addressing a Greek city, he must have been warning about the entrance of Greek Philosophical Thought. The Platonic Fathers also known as Greek Apologists were the first to introduce Pagan Trinitarian Thought into Christianity.

  • Church Historian Adolf Harnack states that the Church Fathers which developed the Nicene Creed were Platonists who appealed to Plato in support of the Trinity. Volume 4. Page 88: "Science concluded on alliance with the Nicene Creed; that was a condition of the triumph of orthodoxy. . . These men took their stand on the general theory of the universe which was accepted by the science of the time; they were Platonists, and they once more naively appealed to Plato in support even of their doctrine of the Trinity."

  • Church Historian Jaroslav Pelikan states in his book - The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition - that Greek Platonic elements were unmistakably present in the Trinitarian definition of One God in "three persons." "The doctrine of the Trinity. . .must be interpreted in a manner that would be consistent with this a priori definition of the deity of God (One essence, three persons). Neoplatonic elements were unmistakably present in this definition. . ."

  • The New Catholic Encyclopedia vol. 10, page 335 admits: "From the middle of the 4th century onward, however, Christian thought was strongly influenced by Neo-platonic philosophy and mysticism."

  • Adolf Harnack states in Outlines of the History of Dogma, that church doctrine became "firmly rooted in the soil of Hellenism [pagan Greek thought]. Thereby it became a mystery to the great majority of Christians."

• Andrew Norton declares in the book "A Statement of Reasons" that the Trinity originated not from the Bible, but from Platonic Philosophy: "We can trace the history of this doctrine, and discover its source, not in the Christian revelation, but in the Platonic philosophy . . . The Trinity is not a doctrine of Christ and his Apostles, but a fiction of the school of the later Platonists."

THE TRINITY IDEA WAS BORROWED FROM HEATHEN RELIGIONS

• • A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge records that many historians believe that the Trinity "is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and ingrafted on the Christian faith."

  • Edward Gibbons's History of Christianity notes: "If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians . . . was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief."

  • Historian Will Durant observed: "Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it. . . From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity."

  • Siegfried Morenz, in the book 'Egyptian Religion' notes: "The trinity was a major preoccupation of Egyptian theologians . . . These gods are combined and treated as a single being, addressed in the singular. In this way the spiritual force of Egyptian religion shows a direct link with Christian theology."

  • James Hastings wrote in the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics: "In Indian religion, e.g., we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahma, Siva, and Visnu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus. . . Nor is it only in historical religions that we find God viewed as a Trinity. One recalls in particular the Neo-Platonic views of the Supreme or Ultimate Reality. which is triadically represented."

  • The French New Universal Dictionary reveals both Plato's Greek Philosophical Influence upon Christianity and that of ancient pagan religions: "The Platonic Trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian Churches. . . Thus Greek philosophers conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient pagan religions."

• L. L. Paine records that the Trinity idea stems from Pagan Roots: ". . . among the more highly civilized Chaldaeans, Babylonians, Assyrians, and Egyptians, triads of gods were a common and notable feature of their theogonies."

• H. P. Blavatsky in Isis Unveiled (pages 45,46), reveals that the Trinity Dogma originated from Babylon: "We find it northeast of the Indus; and tracing it to Asia Minor and Europe, recognize it among every people who had anything like an established religion. It was taught in the oldest Chaldaean, Egyptian, and Mithraitic schools. The Chaldaean Sun-god, Mithra, was called 'Triple,' and the trinitarian idea of the Chaldaeans was a doctrine of the Akkadians, who themselves belonged to a race which was the first to conceive a metaphysical trinity. According to Rawlinson, the Chaldeans are a tribe of the Akkadians, who lived in Babylonia from the earliest of times."

• Jeremiah 50:8 (King James Version) "Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks."

• Spiritualism--"The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Godhead--the infinite source of all. It is the Breath of Atman,--the infinite power of God. It is not separate from, but operative through the Christ--the Higher Self." Dictionary of All Scriptures and Myths, by G.A. Gaskell, p 366 (this dictionary uses the philosophic sacredly held writings of all religions such as Zoroaster, Philo, Swedenborg, Buddah, Hermes, the Qabbalah, etc., in order to derive the definitions--hence the definitions given are mystical and spiritualistic).

• Spiritualism--"Put thy trust in the Divine Breath--the Holy Spirit--which is the functioning of the Absolute [God] upon the buddhic plane." Dictionary, p 816.

• Spiritualism--"Medieval theology generally distinguished...the Holy Ghost [as] being the copula [or union] between the Father and the Son." Dictionary, p 770.

• Spiritualism--"The difference between the Father and the Son is this--'The Father' is to express God-hidden, 'The Son' is God-manifest, and the 'Holy Ghost' is the knowledge of the Spirit of truth, proceeding from the experience of both, as God hidden, and revealed." Dictionary, p 770.

• Spiritualism--"In the heart of the Trinity [or One God] the Creator laughs and gives birth to the child. The child laughs back at the Creator and together they give birth to the Spirit." Meister Eckhart quoted in The Coming of the Cosmic Christ, p 218-19, by Matthew Fox.

• Spiritualism--"I [Father of All Things] order you [Son of Light] to go forth, to become as a guide to those who wander in darkness, that all men within whom dwells the spirit of My Mind (The Universal Mind) may be saved by My Mind in you, which shall call forth My Mind in them....for I am the Mind of the Mysteries...'" The Secret Teachings of All Ages, p XL, by Manly P. Hall--33rd Degree Mason (Hall is quoting Hermes or Cush who was the interpreter of the Mysteries, or basically the founder of spiritualistic Babylonian religion. Cush was also the father of Nimrod, who founded Babylon and then based its Mystery religion upon the teachings of his father). Source:

• https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/origin-of-the-trinity-god

Many SDA's today say "THE SHIP (MODERN SDA ORGANIZATION) WILL GO THROUGH, IT'S UNSINKABLE", "I am sticking with it no matter what". Like Lot and his family, like the people in Noah's day, people are "happy" where they are. I find this is THE biggest problem. People are comfortable where they are. They do not like to have their comfort zone invaded. This is typically Laodicean. "The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of Christ is not in her midst." EGW-Notebook Leaflets, p 99 "There was a coming out, a decided separation from the wicked, an escape for life. So it was in the days of Noah; so with Lot; so with the disciples prior to the destruction of Jerusalem; and so it will be in the last days. Again the voice of God is heard in a message of warning, bidding His people separate themselves from the prevailing iniquity." Patriarchs and Prophets, p 166.

What truths are left that the SDA church has not yet given up? If you don't know, click here.

"As the time comes for the loud cry to be given, the Lord will work through humble instruments, leading the minds of those who consecrate themselves to His service. The laborers will be qualified rather by the unction of His Spirit than by the training of literary institutions. Men of faith and prayer will be constrained to go forth with holy zeal, declaring the words which God gives them. The sins of Babylon will be laid open. The fearful results of a union of Church and State, the inroads of Spiritualism, the stealthy but rapid progress of the papal power,--all will be unmasked. By these solemn warnings the people will be stirred. Thousands upon thousands have never listened to words like these. In amazement they hear the testimony that Babylon is the church, fallen because of her errors and sins, because of her rejection of the truth sent to her from Heaven." Spirit of Prophecy, vol 4, p 424.

"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." James 1:27

"God's church is the court of Holy life, filled with varied gifts and endowed with the Holy Spirit. The members are to find their happiness in the happiness of those whom they help and bless." EGW AA1

"We are not saved as a sect (i.e. Catholic or SDA); no denominational name has ANY VIRTUE to bring us into favor with God. We are saved individually as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, p. 464.

"for the presence of the High and Holy One who in inhabititeth eternity can alone constitute a church."

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people of God who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them' (Matt. 18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the High and Holy One who in inhabititeth eternity can alone constitute a church. Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth, in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 315.

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Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

Re: Would you say "Three co-equal Gods in one person/being?" NO, I WOULD NOT! THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, YAHWEH, the eternal creator!

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Dear Brother Lemke,

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions. I do enjoy reviewing the quotes you sent today.

I DO agree with you wholeheartedly in the context of not wanting to speak my own words. I like to have quotes from the Bible or SDA pioneers. I am throwing my hat in with the Pioneers of Adventism, the KEEN, NOBEL and TRUE pioneers of which Sister White's husband was one. To me, he is like a Moses to Adventism, leading the people onward to victory in Jesus.

So again, does this text apply to the D&V 508 God Sister Sautron spoke about:

"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen" 1 Timothy 1:17 KJV.

I do agree the Trustees of the EGW Estate has mishandled the Estate. They were to be Trustees for THE SDA movement. Not in place of God to the people saying what she wrote means this or that, etc.

I believe exactly as the pioneers of Adventism - from 1841-1846 were the main years....the movement became Laodicean in 1845, barely a year after the disappointment. In 1852, Ellen White confirms the church was then in the Laodicean state which represented the foolish virgin state as well.

The MARKS that the virgin band (1841-1846) pioneers got rid of were the TRINITY, SUNDAY WORSHIP, IMMORTALITY OF THE SOUL, and SPRINKLING for baptism. This is what we are to hold fast.

Now, the SDA church claims that they do not believe in the same trinity that the Catholic church does. And they are correct. They believe in TRITHEISM.

Tritheism is the teaching that the Godhead is really three separate beings forming three separate gods. This, of course, breaks the first three commandments of the decalogue. And according to James 2:10 means ALL are broken.

In trying to be "accepted" by the churches around them, like ancient Israel wanted to be "accepted" by the nations around them, they have "fudged" on the gods they worshiped, so they would not be like the "Catholic" trinity version of god. But in so doing, they have ended up with a worse version of the trinity, whatever flavor it is, than the Catholics have. All are false philosophical gods and are simply Persian gods renamed into Biblical "sounding" names today.

Here is an example picture I made up of how the tri-lie-one god has evolved over the centuries:

This is what I believe about the Holy Spirit:

Christ was born first in Heaven, the firstborn of Heaven...He created everything after he was brought forth by His Father and God in dateless ages past. Christ is the one who thundered down His Father's law from Mt. Siani - The omnipresence of Christ was the Holy Spirit, that was a pillar of fire by night and a cloud by day for ancient Israel guiding them through the wilderness for 40 years. At the appointed time, He was SENT by His Father to give mankind the WORDS of ETERNAL life. Hebrews 10:5 "a body thou has prepared me". He was born, under the law, of a woman, into the house of Bread, Bethlehem. He was the Bread of Life, born into the "house of Bread" the meaning of Bethlehem. He grew, subject to His parents...until His baptism, then he started his 3.5-year ministry. He was smitten by His own God and Father, killed on the cross. He was raised on the THIRD day by his own Father and God...see this article for the many proof texts, that His Father raised Him back to life: If you want the whole publication, I will try to locate a link to it and to the 6 volume or so set.

God raised His Son UP from the Dead Theos by Dr...

Jesus came down as the Son of GOD to be incarnated into a human body - "a body thou has prepared for me" Hebrews 10:5. Blended human and Divinity. 100% human and 100% Divine. The Son of God incarnated into a HUMAN BODY, DIVINITY mixed, blended with HUMANS, mankind forever.

This BLENDING of the SON OF GOD, DIVINITY blended with HUMANITY FOREVER is the PROMISED GIFT that was looked forward to for 4,000 years and what we look back to for 2,000 years now. When the Son of God was RAISED back to life by HIS FATHER AND GOD, HE was made a QUICKENING, LIFE GIVING SPIRIT per 1 Cor 15:45. Our mortal bodies COULD THEN receive this BLENDED, both HUMAN and DIVINE Spirit of Christ. The Disciples received this BLENDED HUMAN AND DIVINE SPIRIT at Pentecost...AFTER Christ ascended to His Father He was able to SEND Himself, the soul of His both HUMAN AND DIVINE SPIRIT, this Spirit is now only 2,000 years old...the both blended 2,000-year-old HUMAN AND DIVINE SPIRIT. So, you see, the HOLY Spirit is none other than the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9) because NO ONE ELSE, not even the Father of Christ could come to earth to die for guilty mankind. Christ says, for this purpose I WAS BORN, back in dateless ages past in Heaven before this world existed.

Christ can NOW send His own soul, the breath of His own life, His quickened Spirit, to quicken our mortal bodies into new life. Christ chose to give us birth through TRUTH. The Spirit of Truth, Himself living in our mind, transforming, circumcising our hearts desires, our little daily choices now into His own perfect life. But we do not lose our own individuality, like the Father and Son do not lose their own individuality, they are ONE, in purpose, and plans in the great plan of Salvation. We are to echo Christ's words. Christ echoed His Father's words. They were not His own, just as we are to echo Christ's words, and they are not our own.

As I read the Bible, I understand there is only ONE MAN being saved out of this whole world. That man is Jesus Christ. Our only hope is to get into that one man's body, by faith, and follow Him into the Most Holy Place, in the Heavenly Sanctuary, the feast of truth, that the 5 wise virgins go into the banquet and the door is shut on the marriage...the UNION of CHRIST with His Bride...those who GIVE the Laodicean message TO the FOOLISH AND WISE VIRGINS. All TEN VIRGINS wake up and jump to their feet, but only five have the character of Christ, the 2,000-year-old blended human and Divine Spirit of Christ enabling them to be Holy, in constant agreement with Christ. Speaking only HIS WORDS.

I know this is a lot of information, but how much of Jesus do we desire? Study to show thyself approved, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed. A Berean. :)

Please, Brother Lemke, prayerfully study what I've shared with you. I've only touched the surface. But the pioneers of Adventism did not believe in a three-one-god or a one in three god and neither do I, based on my intense study of the Word of God.

Nothing is worth losing Heaven over. So if we are wrong in some of our ideas, we must conform to the truth come what may. God is our helper. In Him do I put my trust.

In love with Jesus and His Father. My Ishi (Husband Hosea 2:16) and Abba (Father and God, the supreme sovereign and ruler of the Universe, the God and Father of His only begotten, truly Divine and HUMAN Son),

What the three-one god aka (also known as) the Trinity denies, is that Jesus was twice born, first in Heaven of the Spirit...THIS IS THE GOSPEL and what Satan is always trying to convey doubt in people's minds..IF thou be the Son of God, cast yourself down, IF thou be the Son of God, IF thou be the Son of God..etc... The belief that JESUS was first born of His Father in HEAVEN IS THE GOSPEL TRUTH THAT SATAN HATES.

Cindy

Here's another page of mine on the 2,000 year old Spirit of Christ being both human and divine: https://sites.google.com/site/howtoperformmiracles/the-2-000-year-old-priceless-gift

Learn more about how Jesus was twice born here, the SOURCE of YOUR POWER TO PERFORM MIRACLES!

P. S. Consider this text in John 10:30 KJV:

"I and my Father are one" John 10:30. This verse does not say, I and my Father and God the Holy Spirit are one...no, that would be contrary to scripture. It only mentions TWO beings. Ellen White clarifies:

"The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. In mind, in purpose, in character, they are one, but not in person" {Our Father Cares, p. 36.3}.

"At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." John 14:20

"Jesus prayed that his disciples might be one as he was one with his Father. This prayer did not contemplate one disciple with twelve heads, but twelve disciples, made one in object and effort in the cause of their master. Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the “three-one God.” They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption. The redeemed, from the first who shares in the great redemption, to the last, all ascribe the honor, and glory, and praise, of their salvation, to both God and the Lamb." (James White, 1868, Life Incidents, page 343).

We are to be ONE with God and HIS Son as well. WE are part of their family of God. Remember the song? I'm so glad I'm a part of the family of God...I've been washed in the fountain, cleansed by His blood, JOINT HEIRS with JESUS as we travel along...etc.

Jesus says in John 20:17 (KJV) “Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to MY God and your God.'"

John 10:33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." All those who believe Jesus is truly the Son of God today will be persecuted and "stoned" or killed for their beliefs...soon...

The JEWS "GOT IT" that's WHY they wanted to KILL Jesus so bad!

"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen" 1 Timothy 1:17 KJV.

Jesus was THE ONE GOD BEING WHO COULD DIE TO SAVE GUILTY MANKIND. His FATHER AND GOD WAS IMMORTAL per 1 Tim 1:17. IMMORTAL means you cannot die. Only God's Son who was BORN FOR THIS PURPOSE to save guilty mankind COULD die. His Father was IMMORTAL. So if someone worships a god that is co-eternal, co-equal, three in one person, this is contrary to common sense and is but the Catholic trinity doctrine...the 501c3 Adventists believe in Tritheism. Tritheism is the teaching that the Godhead is really three separate beings forming three separate gods. Catholics believe in a three-one-god called the TRINITY.

The modern Moses, James White warns God's people today. Though his lips are silent his pen still speaks volumes: "Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the “three-one God.” They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption" (James White, 1868, Life Incidents, page 343).

“Let the aged men who were pioneers in our work speak plainly, and let those who are dead speak also, by the reprinting of their articles in our periodicals.”—Manuscript 62, 1905, cited in “The Integrity of the Sanctuary Message.”

“We are to REPEAT THE WORDS of the pioneers in our work, who knew what it cost to search for the truth as for hidden treasure, and who labored to lay the foundation of our work. The word given me is, Let that which these men have written in the past be reproduced.”—Review and Herald, May 25, 1905.

Although Ellen rebuked many different people, she had no rebukes for her own husbands blatant rebuke of the trinity doctrine, who called it a:

• 1. "Catholic error"

  2. "spiritualism"

1. "absurdity"

   1. "Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the “three-one God”

   2. the trinity "denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ"

   3. "The inexplicable Trinity" that it is "bad enough",

   4. "the old trinitarian absurdity"

   5. "a fundamental error"

   6. "the Trinity, [the three-one-god, the TRI-LIE] which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ"

   7. a "vestige of Papacy"

   8. The fact is that James Springer White totally and unequivocally rejected the doctrine of the trinity until his death in 1881.

Also consider Ellen White's statement found in Patriarchs and Prophets page 480 where she says "Moses was a type of Christ." Ellen White said James S. White was: * similar to "Moses to Israel" Testimonies for the Church Volume 3, Page 85

The following quote shows how BOTH JAMES & ELLEN were non-trinity (triune) believers. Notice the "we" and "our" in the quote below written by James S. White:

"This missionary seemed very liberal in his feelings toward all Christians. But after catechizing us upon the trinity, and finding that WE ("we" Ellen and James) were not sound upon the subject of his triune God, he became earnest in denouncing Unitarianism, which takes from Christ his divinity, and leaves him but a man. Here, as far as our views were concerned, he was combating a man of straw. We do not deny the divinity of Christ. We delight in giving full credit to all those strong expressions of Scripture which exalt the Son of God. We believe him to be the divine person addressed by Jehovah in the words, "Let us make man." He was with the Father before the world was. He came from God, and he says, "I go to him that sent me." The apostle speaks of Christ as he now is, our mediator, having laid aside our nature. "If any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." (James White, Review and Herald, June 6th 1871, ‘Western Tour’)

The next week James wrote clearly that Ellen White did NOT agree with the creed of trinitarians.

"We invite all to compare the testimonies of the Holy Spirit through Mrs. W., with the word of God. And in this we do not invite you to compare them with your creed. That is quite another thing. The TRINITARIAN may compare them with his creed, and because they do not agree with it, condemn them. The observer of Sunday, or the man who holds eternal torment an important truth, and the minister that sprinkles infants, may each condemn the testimonies' of Mrs. W. because they do not agree with their peculiar views. And a hundred more, each holding different views, may come to the same conclusion. But their genuineness can never be tested in this way." { James White RH June 13, 1871}

adventistarchives.org/docs/RH/RH18710613-V37-26__B.pdf#view=fit

"We are to repeat the words of the pioneers in our work, who knew what it cost to search for the truth as for hidden treasure, and who labored to lay the foundation of our work." E.G. White, Review & Herald, May 25, 1905. adventistarchives.org/docs/RH/RH19050525-V82-21__B.pdf#view=fit

I found this section in the book Evangelism (pages 613 to 617) about Misrepresentations of the Godhead (the odd thing in it is that the EGW Estate entered into the book Evangelism the Catholic term "TRINITY" -- that is why I NEVER use the EGW Estate headings, i.e., they are false theology). Because of the multiplicity of intricately-worded representations of YAHWEH the father, YAHWEH the son, and YAHWEH the holy spirit, I personally am RELUCTANT to use ANY SENTENCE OF MY OWN when describing the attributes of YAHWEH the father, YAHWEH the son, and YAHWEH the holy spirit, but I would rather be safe and utilize only DIRECT QUOTES to describe the attributes and characteristics of YAHWEH the father, YAHWEH the son, and YAHWEH the holy spirit.

Let People Know Our Position.--Our policy is, Do not make prominent the objectionable features of our faith, which strike most decidedly against the practices and customs of the people, until the Lord shall give the people a fair chance to know that we are believers in christ, that we do believe in the divinity of christ, and in his pre-existence.--Testimonies to Ministers, p. 253. (1895) {Ev 613.2}

We Shall Have to Meet Erroneous Teaching.-- Again and again we shall be called to meet the influence of men who are studying sciences of satanic origin, through which satan is working to make a nonentity of God and of christ. The father and the son each have a personality. Christ declared, "I and my father are one." Yet it was the sonof God who came to the world in human form. Laying aside his royal robe and kingly crown, he clothed his divinity with humanity, that humanity through his infinite sacrifice might become partakers of the divine nature, and escape the corruption that is in the world through lust.--Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 68. (1909) {Ev 613.3}

Positive Truth Versus Spiritualistic Representations. --I am instructed to say, the sentiments of those who are searching for advanced scientific ideas are not to be trusted. Such representations as the following are made: "The father is as the light invisible: the son is as the light embodied; the spirit is the light shed abroad." "The father is like the dew, invisible vapor; theson is like the dew gathered in beauteous form; the spirit is like the dew fallen to the seat of life." Another representation: "Thefather is like the invisible vapor; the son is like the leaden cloud; the spirit is rain fallen and working in refreshing power." {Ev 614.1}

All these spiritualistic representations are simply nothingness. They are imperfect, untrue. They weaken and diminish the majesty which no earthly likeness can be compared to. God cannot be compared with the things his hands have made. These are mere earthly things, suffering under the curse of God because of the sins of man. Thefather cannot be described by the things of earth. The father is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. {Ev 614.2}

The son is all the fullness of the Godhead manifested. The word of God declares him to be "the express image of his person." "God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Here is shown the personality of the father. {Ev 614.3}

The comforter that christ promised to send after he ascended to heaven, is the spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in christ as a personal savior. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers --the father, the son, and the holy spirit--those who receive christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in christ.-- Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905) {Ev 615.1}

The Pre-existent, Self-existent Son of God.--Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent son of God.... In speaking of his pre-existence, christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when he was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jewswere then listening had been with God as one brought up with him.--Signs of the Times, Aug. 29, 1900. {Ev 615.2}

He was equal with God, infinite and omnipotent. . . . He is the eternal, self-existent son.--Manuscript 101, 1897. {Ev 615.3}

From Everlasting.--While God's word speaks of the humanity of christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding his pre-existence. The word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal son of God, in union and oneness with his father. From everlasting he was the mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted him, were to be blessed."The word was with God, and the word was God." Before men or angels were created, the word was with God, and was God.--Review and Herald, April 5, 1906. {Ev 615.4}

Christ shows them that, although they might reckon his life to be less than fifty years, yet his divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of christ before his incarnation is not measured by figures.--Signs of the Times, May 3, 1899. {Ev 616.1}

Life, Original, Unborrowed, Underived.--Jesus declared, "I am the resurrection, and the life." In christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. "He that hath the son hath life." The divinity of christ is the believer's assurance of eternal life.--The Desire of Ages, p. 530 (1898) {Ev 616.2}

With the Father at Sinai.--When they [Israel] came to Sinai, He took occasion to refresh their minds in regard to hisrequirements. Christ and the father, standing side by side upon the mount, with solemn majesty proclaimed the ten commandments.--Historical Sketches, p. 231. (1866) {Ev 616.3}

The Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity. (***EGW ESTATE CATHOLIC ERROR, EGW ESTATE CATHOLIC ERROR, EGW ESTATE CATHOLIC ERROR***THERE ARE NO 3 GODS "TRINITY"***)--The eternal heavenly dignitaries--God, andchrist, and the holy spirit--arming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, . . . would advance with them to the work and convince the world of sin.--Manuscript 145, 1901. {Ev 616.4}

Personality of the Holy Spirit.--We need to realize that the holy spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.--Manuscript 66, 1899. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.) {Ev 616.5}

The holy spirit is a person, for he beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God. . . .

{Ev 616.6}

The holy spirit has a personality, else he could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else he could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the spirit of God."--Manuscript 20, 1906. {Ev 617.1}

The Power of God in the Third Person.--The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the holy spirit.--Special Testimonies, Series A, No. 10, p. 37. (1897) {Ev 617.2}

In Co-operation With the Three Highest Powers.-- We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven,--the father, the son, and the holy ghost, --and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God.--Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 51. (1905) {Ev 617.3}

The EGW Estate has done NOTHING but cover up the light given by EG White. Instead of taking the TRUTHS of EG White into all the world, most countries do not even have most of the books translated into their own language. This indicates clearly that the EG White Estate has NO BELIEF THAT THE TRUTHS IN THE EG WHITE BOOKS ARE OF ANY IMPORTANCE. IF THE EG WHITE ESTATE FELT THAT THEY WERE IMPORTANT, THEY WOULD HAVE TANSLATED ALL THE BOOKS INTO ALL THE LANGUAGES OF THE WORLD. Instead of doing that, the EG WHITE ESTATE has put copious notes throughout EG White's writings, describing why people are not to believe what EG White said in those certain places. "A house divided against itself cannot stand," so certainly the EG WHITE ESTATE cannot stand!

Roy Lemke

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http://www.sabbathlove.com

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Holiness (sanctification) to Yahweh (the mind must belong to Yahweh), the eternal creator of all created beings ("holiness, without which no man shall see God.")!

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua!

"Fear God and give glory to him for the hour of his judgment has come. Worship Yahweh, the eternal creator, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and the springs of waters! God's churches have fallen into the idolatry (of Babylon) of worshiping men, and have received Babylon's Sunday image idolatry, its 666 mark, name, and number to buy and sell from the merchants of the earth and the banks of the earth. If any man does these things he will drink the wine of the undiluted wrath of God. Here is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God (including worshiping the eternal creator on the 7th day Sabbath memorial of creation, instead of Babylon's sun-god Sunday) and the faithful testimonies of Jesus....

-----Original Message-----

From: Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

To: Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2016 6:15 pm

Subject: Re: Would you say "Three co-equal Gods in one person/being?"

Brother Lemke,

Consider these texts:

"Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not" Jer 33:3.

Daniel 2:18

so that they might request compassion from the God of heaven concerning this mystery, so that Daniel and his friends would not be destroyed with the rest of the wise men of Babylon.

"If any of you lacks wisdom (Jesus), you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you" James 1:5.

"Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God" 1 Corinthians 1:24.

"But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord" Jeremiah 9:24 (KJV).

"And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent" John 17:3.

"A knowledge of God is the foundation of all true education and of all true service" The Ministry of Healing, p. 409.2; Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, pages 292, 293.

"Now as never before we need to understand the true science of education. If we fail to understand this we shall never have a place in the Kingdom of God" Home and Church School Manual, p. 6.2, Mrs. E. G. White. CLICK here to download a great study about this here.

"The science of true education is the truth. The third angel's message is truth" T. Vol. 6, p. 131.

Jeremiah 9:24 GOD'S WORD® Translation

If they want to brag, they should brag that they understand and know me. They should brag that I, the LORD, act out of love, righteousness, and justice on the earth. This kind of bragging pleases me, declares the LORD.

Psalm 20:7

Some boast in chariots and some in horses, But we will boast in the name of the LORD, our God.

Psalm 44:8

In God we have boasted all day long, And we will give thanks to Your name forever. Selah.

Brother Lemke,

I am trying to wrap my mind around Sister Jeanine's and your statement (copied below for your convenience) about God and His Son and the Holy Spirit.

Would you say this verse applies to D&V #508 description of God "We are three persons in one same person"?

"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen" 1 Timothy 1:17 KJV.

Cindy

Jeanine said:

He stated his identity:

"We are three persons in one same person:

THE FATHER,

I, THE SON,

AND THE HOLY SPIRIT."

"We are three (3) persons in one (1) same person." It is thus that he said to me that he is

GOD.

You said in a previous email "So, yes, I could say, There is one God (Yahweh, the eternal creator): the father, the son, and the holy spirit (PRONOUNS, NOT NAMES), a unity of three co-eternal omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent persons in one same person (Yahweh, the eternal creator)."

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com> wrote:

I think that the son being flesh and blood, yet one with the father, is a mystery that is beyond my comprehension. "He upholds all things by the word of his power." "The word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld him as the only begotten of the father..." Jesus' ability to "speak the word only..." and it came into being, clearly identified him as being the Eternal Creator. His statement to Philip, that "if you have seen me, you have seen the father," is beyond my comprehension. "His name was called the word of God" clears things up for me a bit, but not completely. His omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence in order to "uphold all things by the word of his power" requires a stretch beyond my little mind's capabilities. "God is spirit" also limits my comprehension.

Seeing the heavenly father and understanding his "substance" is not a speculation that I would consider delving into. "God is spirit" also limits my comprehension of his "substance".

Roy Lemke

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http://www.sabbathlove.com

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Holiness (sanctification) to Yahweh (the mind must belong to Yahweh), the eternal creator of all created beings ("holiness, without which no man shall see God.")!

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua!

"Fear God and give glory to him for the hour of his judgment has come. Worship Yahweh, the eternal creator, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and the springs of waters! God's churches have fallen into the idolatry (of Babylon) of worshiping men, and have received Babylon's Sunday image idolatry, its 666 mark, name, and number to buy and sell from the merchants of the earth and the banks of the earth. If any man does these things he will drink the wine of the undiluted wrath of God. Here is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God (including worshiping the eternal creator on the 7th day Sabbath memorial of creation, instead of Babylon's sun-god Sunday) and the faithful testimonies of Jesus....

-----Original Message-----

From: Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

To: Roy Lemke Cell Phone: 541-521-5736 <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2016 1:04 pm

Subject: Would you say "Three co-equal Gods in one person/being?"

You said in a previous email "So, yes, I could say, There is one God (Yahweh, the eternal creator): the father, the son, and the holy spirit (PRONOUNS, NOT NAMES), a unity of three co-eternal omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent persons in one same person (Yahweh, the eternal creator)."

Jeanine said:

He stated his identity:

"We are three persons in one same person:

THE FATHER,

I, THE SON,

AND THE HOLY SPIRIT."

"We are three (3) persons in one (1) same person." It is thus that he said to me that he is

GOD.

Consider, Yahweh, the father, is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. Then consider well, Jesus, "Yahweh with us," "whose name is called the word of Yahweh," "upholding all things by the word of his power." What does it take to "uphold all things by the word of his power"? It takes omnipresence, omniscience, and omnipotence.

So, yes, I could say, There is one God (Yahweh, the eternal creator): the father, the son, and the holy spirit (PRONOUNS, NOT NAMES), a unity of three co-eternal omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent persons in one same person (Yahweh, the eternal creator).

The comforter that christ promised to send after he ascended to heaven, is the spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in christ as a personal savior. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers --the father, the son, and the holy spirit--those who receive christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in christ.-- Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905 by EG White)

The work is laid out before every soul that has acknowledged his faith in Jesus christ by baptism, and has become a receiver of the pledge from the three persons--the father, the son, and the holy spirit. (MS 57, 1900); 6 SDABC, 1074.9, by EG White.

To the believer, christ is the resurrection and the life. In our savior the life that was lost through sin is restored;for he has life in himself to quicken whom he will. He is invested with the right to give immortality. The life that he laid down in humanity, he takes up again,and gives to humanity. “I am come,” he said, “that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” “Whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.” “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 10:10; 4:14; 6:54. {CSA 44.3}

He that honoreth not the son honoreth not the father which hath sent him. . . . For as the father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the son of man." {DA 210.1}

Christ is life itself. He who passed through death to destroy him that had the power of death is the source of all vitality. There is balm in Gilead, and a physician there. Christ endured an agonizing death under the most humiliating circumstances that we might have life. He gave up his precious life that he might vanquish death. But he rose from the tomb, and the myriads of angels who came to behold him take up the life hehad laid down heard his words of triumphant joy as he stood above Joseph's rent sepulcher proclaiming: "I am the resurrection, and the life." {FLB 51.6}

The resurrection and ascension of our Lord is a sure evidence of the triumph of the saints of God over death and the grave, and a pledge that heaven is open to those who wash their robes of character and make them white in the blood of the lamb. Jesus ascended to the father as a representative of the human race, and God will bring those who reflect his image to behold and share with him his glory. {FLB 51.7}

Every church is in need of the controlling power of the holy spirit; and now is the time to pray for it. But in all God's work for man he plans that man shall co-operate with him. To this end the Lord calls upon the church to have a higher piety, a more just sense of duty, a clearer realization of their obligations to their creator. He calls upon them to be a pure, sanctified, working people. And the christian help work is one means of bringing this about, for the holy spirit communicates with all who are doing God's service.--Testimonies, Vol. 6, pp. 266, 267. {CME 25.2}

The translators have very much covered up the "holy spirit" (qodesh ruwach) meaning.

Qodesh means to be set apart for sanctifying purposes, to "be holy as God is holy." Ruwach means wind, mind, breath, spirit. The word "qodesh" is an identifier of what "spirit" (ruwach) is being talked about. In Judges 9:23, we read about an "evil spirit," an "rah ruwach". If "holy spirit" is a name, then both Yahweh, the holy spirit, and satan, an "evil spirit" have the same last name. But that is NOT so. "The holy spirit" is an identifier pronoun, just as father and son are identifier pronoun. Since "ruwach" means wind, mind, breath, and spirit, then we find the "holy spirit" of Yahweh, the eternal creator" having the same characteristics of Yahweh, the father, and Yahweh, the son, omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.

An interesting side note about Jesus (Yahshua, Yahweh the eternal creator "who shall save his people from their sins."Matthew 1:21.) is the Bible verse, "I, I am Yahweh, and besides me there is no savior." Isaiah 43:11. And,"He who has seen me has seen the father."John 14:9.

Jeanine said:

He stated his identity:

"We are three persons in one same person:

THE FATHER,

I, THE SON,

AND THE HOLY SPIRIT."

"We are three (3) persons in one (1) same person." It is thus that he said to me that he is

GOD.

Consider, Yahweh, the father, is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. Then consider well, Jesus, "Yahweh with us," "whose name is called the word of Yahweh," "upholding all things by the word of his power." What does it take to "uphold all things by the word of his power"? It takes omnipresence, omniscience, and omnipotence.

So, yes, I could say, There is one God (Yahweh, the eternal creator): the father, the son, and the holy spirit (PRONOUNS, NOT NAMES), a unity of three co-eternal omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent persons in one same person (Yahweh, the eternal creator).

The comforter that christ promised to send after he ascended to heaven, is the spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in christ as a personal savior. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers --the father, the son, and the holy spirit--those who receive christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in christ.-- Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905 by EG White)

The work is laid out before every soul that has acknowledged his faith in Jesus christ by baptism, and has become a receiver of the pledge from the three persons--the father, the son, and the holy spirit. (MS 57, 1900); 6 SDABC, 1074.9, by EG White.

To the believer, christ is the resurrection and the life. In our savior the life that was lost through sin is restored;for he has life in himself to quicken whom he will. He is invested with the right to give immortality. The life that he laid down in humanity, he takes up again,and gives to humanity. “I am come,” he said, “that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” “Whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.” “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 10:10; 4:14; 6:54. {CSA 44.3}

He that honoreth not the son honoreth not the father which hath sent him. . . . For as the father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the son of man." {DA 210.1}

Christ is life itself. He who passed through death to destroy him that had the power of death is the source of all vitality. There is balm in Gilead, and a physician there. Christ endured an agonizing death under the most humiliating circumstances that we might have life. He gave up his precious life that he might vanquish death. But he rose from the tomb, and the myriads of angels who came to behold him take up the life hehad laid down heard his words of triumphant joy as he stood above Joseph's rent sepulcher proclaiming: "I am the resurrection, and the life." {FLB 51.6}

The resurrection and ascension of our Lord is a sure evidence of the triumph of the saints of God over death and the grave, and a pledge that heaven is open to those who wash their robes of character and make them white in the blood of the lamb. Jesus ascended to the father as a representative of the human race, and God will bring those who reflect his image to behold and share with him his glory. {FLB 51.7}

Every church is in need of the controlling power of the holy spirit; and now is the time to pray for it. But in all God's work for man he plans that man shall co-operate with him. To this end the Lord calls upon the church to have a higher piety, a more just sense of duty, a clearer realization of their obligations to their creator. He calls upon them to be a pure, sanctified, working people. And the christian help work is one means of bringing this about, for the holy spirit communicates with all who are doing God's service.--Testimonies, Vol. 6, pp. 266, 267. {CME 25.2}

The translators have very much covered up the "holy spirit" (qodesh ruwach) meaning.

Qodesh means to be set apart for sanctifying purposes, to "be holy as God is holy." Ruwach means wind, mind, breath, spirit. The word "qodesh" is an identifier of what "spirit" (ruwach) is being talked about. In Judges 9:23, we read about an "evil spirit," an "rah ruwach". If "holy spirit" is a name, then both Yahweh, the holy spirit, and satan, an "evil spirit" have the same last name. But that is NOT so. "The holy spirit" is an identifier pronoun, just as father and son are identifier pronoun. Since "ruwach" means wind, mind, breath, and spirit, then we find the "holy spirit" of Yahweh, the eternal creator" having the same characteristics of Yahweh, the father, and Yahweh, the son, omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.

An interesting side note about Jesus (Yahshua, Yahweh the eternal creator "who shall save his people from their sins."Matthew 1:21.) is the Bible verse, "I, I am

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From: Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 9:59 PM

Subject: The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

To: "Roy Lemke Cell Phone: 541-521-5736" <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Brother Lemke,

As I understand it, the original pioneers were the "PHILADELPHIA" church. The PURE church, because THEY had gotten RID of the rest of the false doctrines that the other church denominations had NOT gotten rid of yet.

THEY are STILL the PURE CHURCH, THOSE WHO OBEY AND REPUBLISH THE OLD ADVENTIST DOCTRINES. THIS IS THE LOUD CRY AND THE LATTER RAIN! TO REPUBLISH THE OLD SDA PIONEERS ARTICLES AND BOOKS! Modern Adventism has rejected these OLD ADVENTIST doctrines.

THIS IS THE "LOUD CRY", "LATTER RAIN" MESSAGE FOR TODAY FOR EVERYONE: TO REPEAT AND RETELL THE OLD SDA PIONEER ADVENTIST DOCTRINES!

The THREE ANGEL'S MESSAGES found in Rev 14:6-12! THIS IS THE LATTER RAIN AND THE LOUD CRY! THE THREE ANGEL'S ANTI-CATHOLIC MESSAGES! ESPECIALLY the Catholic concept of the TRINITY. All of the old SDA pioneers REJECTED that unexplainable, unscriptural doctrine to a man.

"God is not giving us a new message. We are to proclaim the message that in 1843 and 1844 brought us out of the other churches" The Review and Herald January 19, 1905 paragraph 22 (Ellen G. White).

"The message of the fall of Babylon, as given by the second angel [Rev. 14:8], is repeated, with the additional mention of the corruption's which have been entering the churches since 1844. The work of this angel comes in at the right time to join in the last great work of the third angel's [Rev. 14:9-12 anti-Pope's anti-trinity, anti-sunday] message as it swells to a loud cry" —Early Writtings, p. 277.1.

https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/trinity

https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/oldvsnew

God IS NOT giving us a NEW MESSAGE per Prophetess Ellen White. We are to REPEAT and RETELL and REPUBLISH the PIONEERS ARTICLES and BOOKS! Over and over and over she repeats that we are to retell the OLD ADVENTIST DOCTRINES! The one God or three gods in one that Sister Sautron had a vision about is the exact same concept the Catholics worship.

No difference whatsoever.

This same concept of God is called the Trinity of Gods.

The First Commandment:

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Exodus 20:3.

This breaks the first 3 of the 10 Commandments, and if you break one, you've broken them all according to James 2:10.

From this false concept that Jesus Christ is the eternal God SPRINGS every other counterfeit doctrine!

"The Mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of Catholic Faith. Upon IT are based ALL the other teachings of the Church" —Handbook for Today’s Catholic, p. 11.

I will let James White say it for me:

THE EARLY SDA PIONEER "VIRGIN BAND" HAD GOTTEN RID OF ALL THE MARKS OF THE PAPAL BEAST (TRINITY concept = "that the Son is the eternal Father, and talk so mistily about the three-one God" —James White, June 6, 1871, Review & Herald / SUNDAY SACREDNESS / SPRINKLING FOR BAPTISM) IN 1841-1846 AND WERE PHILADELPHIAN:

“The third angel's message was, and still is, a WARNING to the saints [TODAY = 2016!] to "hold fast," and not go back, and "receive" the marks (of the Papal beast=TRINITY, SUNDAY WORSHIP, Sprinkling) which the virgin band got rid of, during the second angel's [1843-1844] cry” —A Word to the "Little Flock" JAMES WHITE, Topsham, Maine April 21, 1847.

"The greatest fault we can find in the Reformation is, the Reformers stopped reforming. Had they gone on, and onward [like the VIRGIN BAND of SDA PIONEERS DID IN 1840-1850 (the first 50 years - the last message Ellen White gave the SDA church was the diet message and it was promptly rejected saying it would split the church - which was what it was supposed to do!) and got rid of the Trinity concept and the Papal Sabbath etc], till they had left the last vestige of Papacy behind, such as natural immortality, sprinkling, the trinity, and Sunday- keeping, the church would now be free from her unscriptural errors” —James White, February 7, 1856, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 19, page 148, par. 26.

“The third angel's message was, and still is, a WARNING to the saints [TODAY = 2016!] to "hold fast," and not go back, and "receive" the marks (of the Papal beast=TRINITY, SUNDAY WORSHIP, Sprinkling) which the virgin band got rid of, during the second angel's [1843-1844] cry” —A Word to the "Little Flock" JAMES WHITE, Topsham, Maine April 21, 1847.

As I understand it, Sister Sautron has had a vision stating that the CONCEPT of the Catholic Trinity is correct... ie the same as James White WARNED against here:

"that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to support it, while we have plain scripture testimony in abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God” Elder James S. White, January 24, 1846, The Day Star.

"The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed, viz., that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to support it, while we have plain scripture testimony in abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God” Elder James S. White, January 24, 1846, The Day Star.

"In rejecting the truth, men reject its Author. In trampling upon the law of God, they deny the authority of the Law-giver. It is as easy to make an idol of false doctrines and theories as to fashion an idol of wood or stone. By misrepresenting the attributes of God, Satan leads men to conceive of Him in a false character. With many, a philosophical idol is enthroned in the place of Jehovah; while the living God, as He is revealed in His word, in Christ, and in the works of creation, is worshiped by but few. Thousands deify nature while they deny the God of nature. Though in a different form, idolatry exists in the Christian world today as verily as it existed among ancient Israel in the days of Elijah. The god of many professedly wise men, of philosophers, poets, politicians, journalists--the god of polished fashionable circles, of many colleges and universities, even of some theological institutions--is little better than Baal, the sun-god of Phoenicia." The Great Controversy 1888, p. 583.1

"We have, as had John, a message to bear of the things which we have seen and heard. God is not giving us a new message. We are to proclaim the message that in 1843 and 1844 brought us out of the other churches. [This exact SAME OLD SDA PIONEER MESSAGE given in 1840-1846 will take us again OUT OF ALL THE 501c3 churches today! Truth is truth for ETERNITY!] We need the Holy Spirit to kindle in our hearts the zeal and earnestness that were then seen among God's people. I thank the Lord that there are still living a few who can remember those days, and who know whereof they speak" —RH Jan 19th 1905.

1905: The truths that we received in 1841, '42, '43, and '44 are now to be studied and proclaimed. The messages of the first, second, and third angels (Rev. 14:6-12) will in the future be proclaimed with a loud voice. They will be given with earnest determination and in the power of the Spirit"—15MR Ltr 75 1905.

1906: "All the messages given from 1840-1844 are to be made forcible NOW, for there are many people who have lost their bearings. The messages are to go to all the [SDA] churches" —21MR 437.1; LTR 54 1906.

"I was pointed to those who claim (professed/say Rev 2:9; 3:9) to be Adventists, but who reject the present truth (truths given in 1841, '42, '43 and 1844 (15MR Ltr 75 1905)), and saw that they were crumbling and that the hand of the Lord was in their midst to divide and scatter them now in the gathering time, so that the precious jewels among them, who have formerly been deceived, may have their eyes opened to see their true state. And now when the truth is presented to them by the Lord's messengers, they are prepared to listen, and see its beauty and harmony, and to leave their former associates and errors, embrace the precious truth (truths given in 1841, '42, '43 and 1844 (15MR Ltr 75 1905)) and stand where they can define their position" EW 69.2.

The main foundational doctrine of the old Adventist pioneers was and is their rejection of the trinity of Gods.

Here is a summary of what the SDA pioneers believed:

God gave birth to His only begotten Son back in dateless ages past before this world was created. Christ was as one brought up with God, His Father. Christ was made from or born from the substance of His God and Father, so He was as much God as was His Father. The only difference between Christ and His Father is that, like humans, we are made in the image of God, is that the Father of Christ is OLDER in age than His Son. God's Son is younger in age than His Father. God made the whole world through His Son in their own image and likeness. At the appointed time God overshadowed Mary and impregnated her with the seed of His Son. Christ became in A NEW SENSE the Son of God. New, because he was NOW both HUMAN AND DIVINE. So Jesus was born again in Bethlehem and grew both in favor with God and man. At age 30 Jesus was baptized and the Spirit of God descended upon Him.

"At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." John 14:20.

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" John 3:5 (KJV).

"As Christ was twice born, once in eternity, the only begotten of the Father, and again here in the flesh, thus uniting the divine with the human in that second birth, so we, who have been born once already in the flesh, are to have the second birth, being born again of the Spirit, in order that our experience may be the same, the human and the divine being joined in a life union." W.W. PRESCOTT Review and Herald, April 14, 1896 p. 232.

"He was born of the Holy Ghost. In other words, Jesus Christ was born again. He came from heaven, GOD's first- born, to the earth, and was born again, But all in Christ's work goes by opposites for us: he, the sinless one, was made to be sin, in order that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. He, the living one, the prince and author of life, died that we might live. He whose goings forth have been from the days of eternity, the first-born of GOD, was born again, in order that we might be born again." A.T. JONES

"If Jesus Christ had never been born again, could you and I have ever been born again? No. But he was born again, from the world of righteousness into the world of sin; that we might be born again, from the world of sin into the world of righteousness. He was born again, and was made partaker of the human nature, that we might be born again, and so made partakers of the divine nature. He was born again, unto earth, unto sin, and unto man, that we might be born again unto heaven, unto righteousness, and unto God." Review and Herald, Aug. 1, 1899 (Lessons on Faith p. 154.)

The Spirit of God descended upon the BOTH HUMAN AND DIVINE body of Christ after He was BAPTIZED by John the Baptist!

"At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you." John 14:20.

Christ went about the work of His Father for 3.5 years and then was crucified on "Good Friday". Christ kept the Sabbath even in death. He was completely dead. His Father and God raised Him back to life early on the 1st day of the week, aka "Easter Sunday". God raised His Son up and MADE Him a quickening Spirit a LIFE GIVING SPIRIT, the Second Adam per 1 Cor 15:45. So now, 2,000 years ago, and this is the reason Christ was incarnated into a human body was so that He could become both HUMAN AND DIVINE and now Christ has been made into a HUMAN AND DIVINE quickening, life-giving Spirit. The Spirit of Christ is both HUMAN AND DIVINE and this is the only Spirit that will save mankind is the both human and divine Spirit of Christ that has only existed from the cross. Prior to the Spirit of Christ moved upon the waters and divided the water from the waters. It was STILL the Spirit of Christ doing the creating of the world, His Spirit was just not THEN both HUMAN AND DIVINE! But now, for 2,000 years the Holy divine and human Spirit of Christ is the very life of Christ. We want the Holy Spirit which is Jesus Christ.

God poured out His Spirit upon Christ and we receive this Spirit, now both human and divine through Christ alone. Because only Christ could become both God and Human.

Think about this Brother Lemke:

Does the God and Father of Christ have SCARS in His HANDS from being crucified on the cross?

Who was older than Christ? His Father or the being called "God the Holy Spirit?

So does the SON live in the ONE body/person of His Father?

Does your son live in your body Brother Lemke?

Or is it two persons? Like our pioneers taught and the Bible teaches?

“Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are NOT holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as BLIND MEN. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor” MR769.5.

The God of the Catholics and 501c3 Adventists:

"Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the “three-one God.” They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption" James White, 1868, Life Incidents, page 343.

"the Father and Son are two distinct beings" Advent Review, and Sabbath Herald, vol. 10 October 22, 1857, page 193 par. 6 (Uriah Smith).

"Christ and the Father are represented as two distinct personalities, but they are one in purpose. They are united in an effort to save fallen human beings and to restore them to union with themselves" Ellen White, Lt 331, 1905.

1) "He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father and the Son" 2 John 1:9

2) "If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated BOTH me and my Father" John 15:24.

3) "Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them BOTH" Zechariah 6:13.

4) "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him" John 14:23. Notice this verse only mentions two beings.

"It may be objected, If the Father and the Son are two distinct beings, do you not, in worshipping the Son and calling him God, break the first commandment of the decalogue? "No; it is the Father's will 'That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father.' We cannot break the commandment and dishonor God by obeying him. The Fathers says of the Son, 'Let all the angels of God worship him.' Should angels refuse to worship the Son, they would rebel against the Father. Children inherit the name of their Father. The Son of God 'hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than' the angels. That name is the name of his Father. The Father says to the Son, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever.' Heb.1. The Son is called 'The mighty God.' Isa. 9:6. And when he comes again to earth his waiting people will exclaim, 'This is our God.' Isa. 25:9. It is the will of the Father that we should thus honor the Son. In doing so we render supreme honor to the Father. If we dishonor the Son, we dishonor the Father; for he requires us to honor his son. "But though the Son is called God yet there is a 'God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ' 1Pet. 1:3. Though the Father says to the Son, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever,' yet, that throne is given him of his Father; and because he loved righteousness and hated iniquity, he further says, 'Therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee.' Heb. 1:9. 'God hath made that same Jesus both Lord and Christ.' Acts. 2:36. The Son is 'the everlasting Father,' not of himself, nor of his Father, but of his children. His language is, 'I and the children which God hath given me.' Heb. 2:13." Cottrell, Review and Herald, June 1, 1869.

1906: "All the messages given from 1840-1844 are to be made forcible NOW, for there are many people who have lost their bearings" —21MR 437.1; LTR 54 1906.

"Those who will not act when the Lord calls upon them, but who wait for more certain evidence and more favorable opportunities, will walk in darkness, for the light will be withdrawn. The evidence given one day, if rejected, may never be repeated" —Testimonies for the Church Volume 3, p. 258.2.

“ NO Destruction of Personality. Christ is one with the Father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages. Read the prayer of Christ in the seventeenth chapter of John, and you will find this point clearly brought out. How earnestly the Saviour prayed that His disciples might be one with Him as He is one with the Father RH June 1, 1905)”.

"Jesus prayed that his disciples might be one as he was one with his Father. This prayer did not contemplate one disciple with twelve heads, but twelve disciples, made one in object and effort in the cause of their master. Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the “three-one God.” They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption. The redeemed, from the first who shares in the great redemption, to the last, all ascribe the honor, and glory, and praise, of their salvation, to both God and the Lamb." (James White, 1868, Life Incidents, page 343)

“Those who seek to remove the old landmarks [1840-1850 truths - the first 50 years of Adventism] are NOT holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as BLIND MEN. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor” MR769.5.

This is how we become sin-free is by accepting Christ as our own righteousness. There is only on man being saved out of this whole world and that man is Jesus Christ. Our only hope is to get inside the Body of Christ and have His Spirit, His both human and Divine Spirit living inside of our body and going by faith into the Most Holy Place in the Heavenly Sanctuary and presenting/claiming the exceedingly great and precious Bible promises to God the Father in the name of Jesus. This is how we become HOLY per 2 Peter 1:4.

Blessed are the eyes which saw the things that were seen in 1843 and 1844. 21MR 437.2

The message was given. And there should be no delay in repeating the message, for the signs of the times are fulfilling; the closing work must be done. A great work will be done in a short time. A message will soon be given by God's appointment that will swell into a loud cry. Then Daniel will stand in his lot, to give his testimony. 21MR 437.3

"God is not giving us a new message. We are to proclaim the message that in 1843 and 1844 brought us out of the other churches" The Review and Herald January 19, 1905 paragraph 22 (Ellen G. White).

Believing "we are three persons in one same person" is confusing and breaks the first three commandments of God! If we break one per James 2:10 we have broken them ALL. So this group does not keep the commandments of God if they have a false concept of God in their minds.

1906: "All the messages given from 1840-1844 are to be made forcible NOW, for there are many people who have lost their bearings" —21MR 437.1; LTR 54 1906.

"Those who stand as teachers and leaders in our institutions are to be sound in the faith and in the principles of the third angel's [Rev. 14:9-12; anti-Pope, anti-Catholic, Anti-Trinity, Anti-Sunday] message. God wants His people to know that we have the message as He gave it to us in 1843 and 1844. We knew thenwhat the message meant, and we call upon our people today to obey the word, "Bind up the law among My disciples." In this world there are but two classes,--the obedient and the disobedient. To which class do we belong?" —GCB April 1st 1903.

1886: “That which was truth in the beginning is truth now. Although new and important truths appropriate for succeeding generations have been opened to the understanding, the present revealings do not contradict those of the past. Every new truth understood only makes more significant the old” —Ellen White, Review & Herald, March 2, 1886.

"In every age there is a new development of truth, a message of God to the people of that generation. The old truths are all essential; new truth is notindependent of the old, but an unfolding of it. It is only as the old truths are understood that we can comprehend the new" —COL p. 127.4.

"The Lord has declared that the history of the past shall be rehearsed as we enter upon theclosing work. Every truth that He has given for these last days is to be proclaimed to the world. Every pillar that He has established is to be strengthened. We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. . . .There is need now to rehearse the experience of the men who acted a part in the establishment of our work at the beginning" —Ms 129, 1905 Ellen White.

"Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories… there will be a departing from the faith. Where shall we find safety unless it be in the truths that the Lord has been giving for the last fifty years?" —Ellen White RH, May 25, 1905 par. 28.

"I know from the light that God has given me that there should be a revival of the messages that have been given in the past, because men will seek to bring in new theories, and will try to prove that these theories are scriptural, whereas they are error, which, if allowed a place, will undermine faith in the truth. We are not to accept these suppositions and pass them along as truth. No, no; we must not move from the platform of truth on which we have been established" —UL 199 Ellen White.

1905: “When the power of God testifies as to what is truth, that truth is to stand forever as the truth. No after-suppositions, contrary to the light God has given are to be entertained. Men will arise with interpretations of Scripture which are to them truth, but which are NOT truth. The truth for this time, God has given us as a foundation for our faith. He Himself has taught us what is truth. One will arise, and still another, with new light which contradicts the light that God has given under the demonstration of His Holy Spirit. A few are still alive who passed through the experience gained in the establishment of this truth. God has graciously spared their lives to repeat and repeat till the close of their lives, the experience through which they passed even as did John the apostle till the very close of his life. And the standard- bearers who have fallen in death, are to speak through the reprinting of their writings. I am instructed that thus their voices are to be heard. They are to bear their testimony as to what constitutes the truth for this time” —Preach the Word, p. 5; Ellen White, 1905, Counsels to Writers and Editors, pages 31, 32.

"I saw that they were in terrible conflict as to whether to take their stand for or against the light that God has permitted me to bear to the world. It seemed to me like a life-and-death question. I cannot describe it, but the conflict was a terrible one. The seductive presentations (trinity doctrine) framed by satanic agencies were presented by subtle reasoning, and their minds had well-nigh become overwhelmed when a heavenly messenger let light shine forth. There came to them the thought, “Review the past experience of the people of God; review the history of the work from the first, as if you were beholding it in a mirror. Has this work been what it has been represented to you to be? Then another and still another scene was presented before them by the heavenly messenger, until they saw truth bearing the signature of the heavenly in the past, then present, and still more decidedly in the future. The words were spoken, “Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, that leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Broad is the road and wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat” —Manuscript Releases, vol. 13 [Nos. 1000-1080], p. 369.1 (Ellen G. White).

"Those who stand before the people as teachers of truth are to grapple with great themes. They are not to occupy precious time in talking of trivial subjects.Let them study the Word, and preach the Word. Let the Word be in their hands as a sharp, two-edged sword. Let it testify to past truths and show what is to be in the future are to shape our lives and that by us are to be proclaimed to the world. We are to keep abreast of the times, bearing a clear, intelligent testimony, guided by the unction of the [2,000-year-old both divine and human risen] Holy Spirit [of Christ Romans 8:9; 2 Cor 15:45]" —Ellen White, Manuscript 31, 1906. pp. 5, 6; “Be Vigilant,” April 2, 1906.

1903: "The leading points of our faith as we hold them today were firmly established. Point after point was clearly defined, and ALL the brethren came into HARMONY. The whole company of believers were UNITED IN THE TRUTH. There were those who came in with strange doctrines, but we were never afraid to meet them. Our experience was wonderfully established by the revelation of the Holy Spirit"—MS 135, 1903; Ellen G. White, The Early Years Volume 1 - 1827-1862, page 145.

"My husband, Elder Joseph Bates, Father Pierce, Elder Edson, a man who was keen, noble, and true, and many others whose names I cannot now recall were among those who, after the passing of the time in 1844, searched for truth. At our important meetings, these men would meet together and search for the truth as for hidden treasure. I met with them, and we studied and prayed earnestly; for we felt that we must learn God’s truth. Often we remained together until late at night, and sometimes through the entire night, praying for light and studying the word. As we fasted and prayed, great power come upon us" —Ms 135, 1903 (November 4, 1903) par. 1.

"Who has authority to begin such a [NEW] movement? [to abandon the pillars of the pioneers] We have our Bibles, we have our experience, attested to by the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. WE HAVE A TRUTH THAT ADMITS OF NO COMPROMISE. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony with this truth?" —E.G. White, Selected Messages, Vol. 1, 204, 205.

1903: "The warning has come: Nothing is to be allowed to come in that will disturb the foundation of the faith upon which we have been building ever since the message came in 1842, 1843, and 1844. I was in this message, and ever since I have been standing before the world, true to the light that God has given us. We do not propose to take our feet off the platform on which they were placed as day by day we sought the Lord with earnest prayer, seeking for light. Do you think that I could give up the light that God has given me? It is to be as the Rock of Ages" —GCB April 6th1903.

"We have, as had John, a message to bear of the things which we have seen and heard. God is not giving us a new message. We are to proclaim the message that in 1843 and 1844 brought us out of the other churches. We need the Holy Spirit to kindle in our hearts the zeal and earnestness that were then seen among God's people. I thank the Lord that there are still living a few who can remember those days, and who know whereof they speak" —Ellen White, RH Jan 19th 1905.

1905: The truths that we received in 1841, '42, '43, and '44 are now to be studied and proclaimed. The messages of the first, second, and third angels will in the future be proclaimed with a loud voice. They will be given with earnest determination and in the power of the Spirit"—15MR Ltr 75 1905.

1906: "All the messages given from 1840-1844 are to be made forcible NOW, for there are many people who have lost their bearings. The messages are to go to all the [SDA] churches" —21MR 437.1; LTR 54 1906.

1907: "God bids us give our time and strength to the work of preaching to the people the messages that stirred men and women in 1843 and 1844" —MR760 30.1, July 4th 1907.

"A LINE OF TRUTH EXTENDING FROM THAT TIME [1844] TO THE TIME WHEN WE SHALL ENTER THE CITY OF GOD, WAS MADE PLAIN TO ME, and I gave to others the instruction that the Lord had given me. What influence is it that would lead men at this stage of our history to work in an underhand, powerful way to TEAR DOWN the foundation of our faith–the foundation that was laid at the beginning of our work by prayerful study of the Word and revelation? Upon this foundation we have been building for the past fifty years" —Selected Messages bk.1, p. 206-7 1904.

I know these are serious issues that I bring up, with serious implications - of DEVIL WORSHIP, DEMON WORSHIP. I hope you will prayerfully study out what I've brought to your attention here because it has life and death consequences for everyone's salvation - including dear Sister Sautron and those who you teach Brother Lemke.

May God help us all.

Cindy

PS check this link out to learn more about the three in one god:

https://sites.google.com/site/theendtimewarning/the-trinity-on-trial

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From: Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 11:33 PM

Subject: Re: The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

To: weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com

I like what Jesus said: "He who has seen me has seen the father..." John 14:9.

I trust Jesus.

Roy Lemke

royallastgleam@aol.com

http://www.sabbathlove.com

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Holiness (sanctification) to Yahweh (the mind must belong to Yahweh), the eternal creator of all created beings ("holiness, without which no man shall see God.")!

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua!

"Fear God and give glory to him for the hour of his judgment has come. Worship Yahweh, the eternal creator, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and the springs of waters! God's churches have fallen into the idolatry (of Babylon) of worshiping men, and have received Babylon's Sunday image idolatry, its 666 mark, name, and number to buy and sell from the merchants of the earth and the banks of the earth. If any man does these things he will drink the wine of the undiluted wrath of God. Here is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God (including worshiping the eternal creator on the 7th day Sabbath memorial of creation, instead of Babylon's sun-god Sunday) and the faithful testimonies of Jesus....

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From: Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

To: weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com

I also like what the angel messengers said about Jesus: "God with us."

And "I, I am Yahweh (the eternal creator), and beside me is NO SAVIOR." Isaiah 43:11.

Jesus means "Yahweh (the eternal creator), shall save his people from their sins."

John said, "the word was God." John 1:1.

John said, "His (Jesus') name shall be called the word of God." Revelation 19:10.

I BELIEVE! I am SEALED by these words of God which are God.

I will not be persuaded the THROW AWAY the 379 references to the father, son, and holy spirit of the spirit of prophecy. Nor will I be persuaded to throw away Dreams and Visions because Jeanine Sautron says that the father, son, and holy spirit are ONE.

It does not matter in the least to me what SDA pioneers said. The SDA church has been "LAODICEA since the beginning. It was up to every SDA to "come out of Babylon, my people, and be not a partaker of her sins," and those who did that were the Church of Philadelphia, the Remnants.

I believe "ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN." JESUS said to "BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN."

It was up to the SDA apostates to listen carefully, heed, and do "ALL THAT THE PROPHETS, E.G. WHITE, JEANINE SAUTRON, and THE BIBLE said to do. THEY FAILED MISERABLY.

AND BECAUSE OF YOUR REJECTION OF E.G. WHITE, "the testimony of Jesus, which is the spirit of prophecy," which is Jesus, you are FOLLOWING THE SDA APOSTASY TO PERDITION! REPENT!

Roy Lemke

royallastgleam@aol.com

http://www.sabbathlove.com

YOUTUBE: raysandbeam soflight

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2RH771hvQrw22bEckwLZYQ/videos?shelf_id=0&view=0&sort=dd

Holiness (sanctification) to Yahweh (the mind must belong to Yahweh), the eternal creator of all created beings ("holiness, without which no man shall see God.")!

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua!

"Fear God and give glory to him for the hour of his judgment has come. Worship Yahweh, the eternal creator, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and the springs of waters! God's churches have fallen into the idolatry (of Babylon) of worshiping men, and have received Babylon's Sunday image idolatry, its 666 mark, name, and number to buy and sell from the merchants of the earth and the banks of the earth. If any man does these things he will drink the wine of the undiluted wrath of God. Here is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God (including worshiping the eternal creator on the 7th day Sabbath memorial of creation, instead of Babylon's sun-god Sunday) and the faithful testimonies of Jesus....

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From: Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:35 AM

Subject: Re: The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

To: weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com

Everyone wants an excuse to REJECT Dreams and Visions. It sounds like you have found your EXCUSE in the semantics. So be it.

Roy Lemke

royallastgleam@aol.com

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The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

To: Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

De: Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

Enviado: segunda-feira, 18 de julho de 2016 16:11:14

Para: john silver

Assunto: Fwd: The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

FYI

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From: Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:35 AM

Subject: Re: The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

To: weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com

Everyone wants an excuse to REJECT Dreams and Visions. It sounds like you have found your EXCUSE in the semantics. So be it.

Roy Lemke

royallastgleam@aol.com

http://www.sabbathlove.com

YOUTUBE: raysandbeam soflight

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2RH771hvQrw22bEckwLZYQ/videos?shelf_id=0&view=0&sort=dd

Holiness (sanctification) to Yahweh (the mind must belong to Yahweh), the eternal creator of all created beings ("holiness, without which no man shall see God.")!

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua!

"Fear God and give glory to him for the hour of his judgment has come. Worship Yahweh, the eternal creator, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and the springs of waters! God's churches have fallen into the idolatry (of Babylon) of worshiping men, and have received Babylon's Sunday image idolatry, its 666 mark, name, and number to buy and sell from the merchants of the earth and the banks of the earth. If any man does these things he will drink the wine of the undiluted wrath of God. Here is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God (including worshiping the eternal creator on the 7th day Sabbath memorial of creation, instead of Babylon's sun-god Sunday) and the faithful testimonies of Jesus....

Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

De: Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

Enviado: segunda-feira, 18 de julho de 2016 16:11:14

Para: john silver

Assunto: Fwd: The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

FYI

---------- Forwarded message ----------

From: Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:35 AM

Subject: Re: The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

To: weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com

Everyone wants an excuse to REJECT Dreams and Visions. It sounds like you have found your EXCUSE in the semantics. So be it.

Roy Lemke

royallastgleam@aol.com

http://www.sabbathlove.com

YOUTUBE: raysandbeam soflight

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2RH771hvQrw22bEckwLZYQ/videos?shelf_id=0&view=0&sort=dd

Holiness (sanctification) to Yahweh (the mind must belong to Yahweh), the eternal creator of all created beings ("holiness, without which no man shall see God.")!

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahshua!

"Fear God and give glory to him for the hour of his judgment has come. Worship Yahweh, the eternal creator, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and the springs of waters! God's churches have fallen into the idolatry (of Babylon) of worshiping men, and have received Babylon's Sunday image idolatry, its 666 mark, name, and number to buy and sell from the merchants of the earth and the banks of the earth. If any man does these things he will drink the wine of the undiluted wrath of God. Here is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God (including worshiping the eternal creator on the 7th day Sabbath memorial of creation, instead of Babylon's sun-god Sunday) and the faithful testimonies of Jesus....

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-----Original Message-----

From: Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

To: Test Test <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

Sent: Mon, Jul 18, 2016 4:53 am

Subject: Fwd: The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

Brother Lemke,

Yes, Jesus, the SON of God is mirroring His Father's likeness, His Father's WORDS, His actions just like a human Son is to mirror His own Father's actions. The Son fully manifests the attributes of His Father just as WE are to fully manifest the image of Christ. We are to be in the express image, copy, likeness of Christ's character. Just as Christ is in the express image of His Father and God.

1907: "God bids us give our time and strength to the work of preaching to the people the messages that stirred men and women in 1843 and 1844" —MR760 30.1, July 4th 1907.

"All the messages given from 1840-1844 are to be made forcible NOW" —21MR 437.1; LTR 54 1906.

1905: The truths that we received in 1841, '42, '43, and '44 are now to be studied and proclaimed. The messages of the first, second, and third angels will in the future be proclaimed with a loud voice. They will be given with earnest determination and in the power of the Spirit"—15MR Ltr 75 1905.

What do you think about all the pioneers of Adventism who believed as the Bible teaches that God and His Son are TWO DISTINCT BEINGS?

"Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the “three-one God.” They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption" James White, 1868, Life Incidents, page 343.

"the Father and Son are two distinct beings" Advent Review, and Sabbath Herald, vol. 10 October 22, 1857, page 193 par. 6 (Uriah Smith).

"Christ and the Father are represented as two distinct personalities, but they are one in purpose. They are united in an effort to save fallen human beings and to restore them to union with themselves" Ellen White, Lt 331, 1905.

Sister Jeanine claims there is

The OLD ADVENTIST DOCTRINES ARE the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Angel's message! The old Adventist doctrines ARE the loud cry and latter rain for today!

Let us not have proud hearts like the leaders of the people in Christ's day who refuse to follow Jesus ALL the way. To cast off every false doctrine, to clean up our soul temple with the whip of faith like Jesus did in Solomon's temple.

Church members who have seen the light and been convicted, but who have trusted the salvation of their souls to the minister, will learn in the day of God that no other soul can pay the ransom for their transgression. A terrible cry will be raised, "I am lost, eternally lost." Men will feel as though they could rend in pieces the ministers who have preached falsehoods and condemned the truth.--4BC 1157 (1900). {LDE 247.2}

All unite in heaping their bitterest condemnation upon the ministers. Unfaithful pastors have prophesied smooth things; they have led their hearers to make void the law of God and to persecute those who would keep it holy. Now, in their despair, these teachers confess before the world their work of deception. The multitudes are filled with fury. "We are lost!" they cry, "and you are the cause of our ruin"; and they turn upon the false shepherds. The very ones that once admired them most, will pronounce the most dreadful curses upon them. The very hands that once crowned them with laurels, will be raised for their destruction. The swords which were to slay God's people, are now employed to destroy their enemies.--GC 655, 656 (1911). {LDE 247.3}

Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men [Eze. 9:6], those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust.--5T 211 (1882). {LDE 248.1}

God's Word is made of none effect by false shepherds. . . . Their work will soon react upon themselves. Then will be witnessed the scenes described in Revelation 18 when the judgments of God shall fall upon mystical Babylon.--Ms 60, 1900. {LDE 248.2}

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From: Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

To: weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com

I also like what the angel messengers said about Jesus: "God with us."

And "I, I am Yahweh (the eternal creator), and beside me is NO SAVIOR." Isaiah 43:11.

Jesus means "Yahweh (the eternal creator), shall save his people from their sins."

John said, "the word was God." John 1:1.

John said, "His (Jesus') name shall be called the word of God." Revelation 19:10.

I BELIEVE! I am SEALED by these words of God which are God.

I will not be persuaded the THROW AWAY the 379 references to the father, son, and holy spirit of the spirit of prophecy. Nor will I be persuaded to throw away Dreams and Visions because Jeanine Sautron says that the father, son, and holy spirit are ONE.

It does not matter in the least to me what SDA pioneers said. The SDA church has been "LAODICEA since the beginning. It was up to every SDA to "come out of Babylon, my people, and be not a partaker of her sins," and those who did that were the Church of Philadelphia, the Remnants.

I believe "ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN." JESUS said to "BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN."

It was up to the SDA apostates to listen carefully, heed, and do "ALL THAT THE PROPHETS, E.G. WHITE, JEANINE SAUTRON, and THE BIBLE said to do. THEY FAILED MISERABLY.

AND BECAUSE OF YOUR REJECTION OF E.G. WHITE, "the testimony of Jesus, which is the spirit of prophecy," which is Jesus, you are FOLLOWING THE SDA APOSTASY TO PERDITION! REPENT!

Roy Lemke

royallastgleam@aol.com

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From: Roy Lemke <royallastgleam@aol.com>

Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:43 AM

Subject: Re: The church of Philadelphia, the "REMNANT", which KEEPS the Commandments of God....

To: weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com

"They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks." — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

Roy Lemke

royallastgleam@aol.com

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From: Cindy Haynes <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

Date: Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 10:37 AM

Subject: You said ""It does not matter in the least to me what SDA pioneers said. The SDA church has been "LAODICEA since the beginning".

To: Test Test <weddingpartyprocession@gmail.com>

Dear Brother Lemke,

Personally, Brother Lemke, your charges against me are false. For when I called you up, and asked you questions about which God you worshiped, you came up with all the right answers. You said no messages have been given by Sister Sautron about this topic. Then shortly after our conversation, Sister Jeanine Sautron has a vision about this, as you relate in D&V #508.

I personally was NOT looking to say that she was wrong, but rather to confirm that she was right and was indeed a true Prophetess of God. So your accusation is not accurate for my case.

Please, Brother, consider the following email like this "Words might have been said to help and strengthen weak souls struggling under temptation, but they were never spoken. Well-directed personal efforts might have been put forth, and have saved a soul from death, and hid a multitude of sins, but there was no one to make the effort" Ellen White, TSS 27.1. I do not want to fail in my duty and be one of those who as "negligent ones will have to meet their neglect in the day of God" TSS 27.1.

We both have a great responsibility to God and those around us to be sure we are not promoting some MARK OF THE BEAST! IF we are on the wrong path we need to be humble enough to admit it and change course! No matter what pride we have to swallow will be better than losing out on eternal life! This goes for me, you AND Sister Sautron! and all of us! Let's not be like the Jews! Try the Spirits and if we find that we are following ANOTHER SPIRIT or ANOTHER JESUS or preaching another gospel per 2 Cor 11:3-4 and Col 2:8 we need to change course!

"God has made provision that we may become like unto Him, and He will accomplish this for all who do not interpose a perverse will and thus frustrate His grace" Ellen White, From Devotional: Our Father Cares, p. 205.

I was wondering if you noticed the following questions I had for you in my previous email?

Question: Does the God and Father of Christ have SCARS in His HANDS from being crucified on the cross?

If you think God the Father did not die for our sins, but rather His Son died (as I believe), how could both have scars in their hands? This would mean TWO BEINGS. 2 pairs of hands. One with nail scars in them and one pair of hands without them. What do you think? If the Father, Son and Spirit all live in one person as Jeanine Sautron's recent vision states. This would make the Father die as well and have scars in His hands if all three live in one person's body.

Question: Does the God and Father of Christ have SCARS in His HANDS also from being crucified on the cross with His Son if he lives in this one (1) person with the other (2) two persons?

Did all "three (3) persons in" this "one (1) same person" completely die?

Who was older than Christ? "God the Father" or the being/person called "God the Holy Spirit?

"I and MY father are one." John 10:30. Notice only two beings are mentioned here.

"The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one" Ellen White, 8T, p. 269.

Sister Jeanine Sautron and proven Prophet of God, a messenger of the Lord, Sister Ellen White are in conflict here. We must be honest if we want to have the truth brother Lemke no matter what ideas we have to give up to come in harmony with the truth. Sister Jeanine is teaching a mark of the Beast doctrine of a concept of the Papal Trinity, which is not holding fast to the Three Angel's Messages given to our early SDA pioneers. The great cleavor of truth is the Three Angel's Messages. Sister Jeanine Sautron must come in harmony with the Three Angel's Messages if she does not want to be in harmony with the foundational teaching of the Papal Trinity, a mark of the Beast.

"The Mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of Catholic Faith. Upon IT are based ALL the other teachings of the Church" —Handbook for Today’s Catholic, p. 11.

From the trinity concept that Jesus Christ is the eternl God springs ALL other false doctrines! Trinity concept, idea, same mind as the Papal beast system ie "Jesus Christ is the eternal God" false, strange god worship.

"I saw that they were in terrible conflict as to whether to take their stand for or against the light that God has permitted me to bear to the world. It seemed to me like a life-and-death question. I cannot describe it, but the conflict was a terrible one. The seductive presentations (trinity doctrine) framed by satanic agencies were presented by subtle reasoning, and their minds had well-nigh become overwhelmed when a heavenly messenger let light shine forth. There came to them the thought, “Review the past experience of the people of God; review the history of the work from the first, as if you were beholding it in a mirror. Has this work been what it has been represented to you to be? [IS SISTER JEANINE SAUTRON'S GOD THE SAME FOUNDATIONAL GOD THE SDA PIONEERS HAD IN THE BEGINNING OR HAS IT CHANGED TO A PAPAL GOD, a mark of the beast that the early SDA pioneers had gotten RID OF in the beginning of Aventism? IS Sister Sautron "holding FAST? The Three Angel's Messages? The mighty cleavor of truth? Which is the Three Angel's messages!] Then another and still another scene was presented before them by the heavenly messenger, until they saw truth bearing the signature of the heavenly in the past, then present, and still more decidedly in the future. The words were spoken, “Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, that leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Broad is the road and wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat” —Manuscript Releases, vol. 13 [Nos. 1000-1080], p. 369.1 (Ellen G. White).

"For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have "believed" that I came out from God." and see John 17:8: "For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John 15:24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both [2 separate beings] me and my Father. 1 John 5:1 "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well." Prior to Bethlehem: Proverbs 8:30 "Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;"

Does your son live in your body Brother Lemke?

Or is it two persons? Like our pioneers taught and the Bible teaches?

Plainly Ellen White warns, "The Father and the Son ALONE are to be exalted" The Youth's Instructor, July 7, 1898 par.2.

Is Sister Jeanine Sautron exalting THREE PERSONS in ONE PERSON? OR does she believe like the Prophetess Ellen White that God and His Son were TWO DISTINCT BEINGS? If she is wrong, brother, we need to plead for a RIGHT SPIRIT to be renewed in our minds!

"The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one" Ellen White, 8T, p. 269.

Was Christ's Father OLDER than Christ or the same age? IF you believe the Father, Son and Spirit -all three- live in one person/being...

"The Father was greater than the Son in that he was first" James White, January 4, 1881,Review & Herald; found in EGW Review and Herald Articles, vol. 1, page 244.

WHO is the Father of Christ? The third being called "God the Holy Spirit? Or God the Father? See 1 Cor 8:6.

Saying three in one and one in three makes the being/person called "God the Holy Spirit" the Father of Christ instead of "God the Father"! Sister Sautron teaches - whether she realizes it or not that "God the Holy Spirit" is the Father of Christ when she says:

Here is a point by point breakdown of Sister Jeanine Suatron's belief as stated above in D&V #508:

"He stated his identity: "We are three persons in one same person: THE FATHER, I, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT." (12) "We are three (3) persons in one (1) same person." It is thus that he said to me that he is God. (13) I have seen GOD, the GOD of the UNIVERSE!" Jeanine Suatron, Dreams and Visions #508, June 11, 2016.

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him" John 1:18.

Exodus 33:20

But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

Exodus 33:23

"Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen."

John 6:46

not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father.

2 Corinthians 4:4

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image (copy/likeness) of God.

PROPHETESS ELLEN WHITE: "The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one" Ellen White, 8T, p. 269.

Do we believe the Messenger of the Lord Ellen White or NOT?

Jeanine Sautron states, (translated from French into English by Roy Lemke): "He stated his identity: "We are three persons in one same person: THE FATHER, I, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT." (12) "We are three (3) persons in one (1) same person." It is thus that he said to me that he is God. (13) I have seen GOD, the GOD of the UNIVERSE!" Jeanine Suatron, Dreams and Visions #508, June 11, 2016.

Here is what this means:

1. There is one God (i.e., one proper object of religious devotion).

2. The one God is a single divine being/person, the LORD (Jehovah, Yahweh).

3. The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is God.

4. The Son, Jesus Christ, is God.

5. The Holy Spirit is God.

6. The Father is not the Son.

7. The Father is not the Holy Spirit.

8. The Son is not the Holy Spirit.

Sister Jeanine Sautron must affirm and insist upon all of the above beliefs in order to logically confess this doctrine and if a single one of these beliefs is shown to be false, the entire doctrine disintegrates and is thereby proven to be totally false. Every single point must be valid for the overall doctrine to be valid. These points provide no room for doctrinal adjustments since no adjustments are possible to these points without destroying the overall doctrine itself:

Jeanine Sautron states: "He stated his identity: "We are three persons in one same person: THE FATHER, I, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT." (12) "We are three (3) persons in one (1) same person." It is thus that he said to me that he is God. (13) I have seen GOD, the GOD of the UNIVERSE!" Jeanine Suatron, Dreams and Visions #508, June 11, 2016.

Ellen White states: "The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one" Ellen White, 8T, p. 269.

THIS DENIES THAT JESUS WAS TWICE BORN! WE ARE TO BE TWICE BORN JUST LIKE JESUS WAS TWICE BORN - EXCEPT FOR US THIS GOES IN OPPOSITES. "As Christ was twice born, once in eternity, the only begotten of the Father, and again here in the flesh, thus uniting the divine with the human in that second birth, so we, who have been born once already in the flesh, are to have the second birth, being born again of the Spirit, in order that our experience may be the same, the human and the divine being joined in a life union." W.W. PRESCOTT Review and Herald, April 14, 1896 p. 232.

"He was born of the Holy Ghost. In other words, Jesus Christ was born again. He came from heaven, GOD's first- born, to the earth, and was born again, But all in Christ's work goes by opposites for us: he, the sinless one, was made to be sin, in order that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. He, the living one, the prince and author of life, died that we might live. He whose goings forth have been from the days of eternity, the first-born of GOD, was born again, in order that we might be born again." A.T. JONES

"If Jesus Christ had never been born again, could you and I have ever been born again? No. But he was born again, from the world of righteousness into the world of sin; that we might be born again, from the world of sin into the world of righteousness. He was born again, and was made partaker of the human nature, that we might be born again, and so made partakers of the divine nature. He was born again, unto earth, unto sin, and unto man, that we might be born again unto heaven, unto righteousness, and unto God." Review and Herald, Aug. 1, 1899 (Lessons on Faith p. 154.)

So does the SON live in the ONE body/person of His Father? Or are they TWO SEPARATE BEINGS like the Bible plainly states?

1) "He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father and the Son." 2 John 1:9

2) If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated BOTH me and my Father. John 15:24

3) Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them BOTH. Zechariah 6:13

Does your son live in your body, Brother Lemke?

Or is it two persons? Like our pioneers taught and the Bible teaches?

You said, Brother Lemke, in one of your emails on July 18, 2016 that: "It does not matter in the least to me what SDA pioneers said. The SDA church has been "LAODICEA since the beginning. It was up to every SDA to "come out of Babylon, my people, and be not a partaker of her sins," and those who did that were the Church of Philadelphia, the Remnants."

SDA Pioneer whom the messenger of the Lord Ellen White said was KEEN, NOBLE and TRUE said:

"My husband, Elder Joseph Bates, Father Pierce, Elder Edson, a man who was keen, noble, and true, and many others whose names I cannot now recall were among those who, after the passing of the time in 1844, searched for truth. At our important meetings, these men would meet together and search for the truth as for hidden treasure. I met with them, and we studied and prayed earnestly; for we felt that we must learn God’s truth. Often we remained together until late at night, and sometimes through the entire night, praying for light and studying the word. As we fasted and prayed, great power come upon us" —Ms 135, 1903 (November 4, 1903) par. 1.

About William Miller Ellen White the Prophetess said: "But angels watch the precious dust of this servant of God, and he will come forth at the sound of the last trump" EW 258.2.

Here's a link to the whole article by SDA pioneer Joseph Bates, ANOTHER KEEN, NOBEL and TRUE SDA PIONEER WHO WIELDED THE GREAT CLEAVER OF TRUTH, THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT OF THE THREE ANGEL'S MESSAGES here.

"For Joseph Bates the Trinity was an unscriptural doctrine, for James White it was that ‘old Trinitarian absurdity,’ and for M.E. Cornell it was a fruit of the great apostasy, along with such false doctrines as Sunday-keeping and the immortality of the soul” Ministry magazine Oct. 1993 p. 10, Article: “Adventists and Change”, written by George Raymond Knight who is a leading Seventh-day Adventist historian, author, and educator. He is emeritus professor of church history at Andrews University.

The SDA church movement was not "Laodicean" since the beginning...but it as a whole started to backslide into the same doctrines that they had just come out of the other churches such a short of a time before. They started adopting papal doctrines, mark of the beast doctrines like the Trinity ie that the Son IS the eternal Father instead of the Son of the eternal Father and God of ALL, Sunday worship, Sprinkling for baptism, Immortality of the Soul... why call themselves "Adventists" when they adopt the very doctrines they had LEFT! ALL the SDA pioneers came OUT from the others and established a platform of eternal truth.

“Seventh-day Adventists have been given a work of the most solemn import—the proclamation of the first, second, and third angels messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention” 9T 19.

"God has called His church in this day, as He called ancient Israel, to stand as a light in the earth. By the mighty cleaver of truth—the messages of the first, second, and third angels—He has separated them from the churches and from the world to bring them into a sacred nearness to Himself. He has made them the depositaries of His law and has committed to them the great truths of prophecy for this time. Like the holy oracles committed to ancient Israel, these are a sacred trust to be communicated to the world" CCh 58.4.

"I saw a company who stood well guarded and firm, giving no countenance to those who would unsettle the established faith of the body [1840-1846 old SDA truths = first 50 years of the Advent movement]. God looked upon them with approbation (approval, acceptance, endorsement, appreciation, respect, admiration, commendation, praise, congratulations, acclaim, esteem, applause). I was shown three steps—the first, second, and third angels’ messages. Said my accompanying angel, “Woe to him who shall move a block or stir a pin of these messages. The true understanding of these messages is of vital importance. The destiny of souls hangs upon the manner in which they are received.” I was again brought down through these messages, and saw how dearly the people of God had purchased their experience. It had been obtained through much suffering and severe conflict. God had led them along step by step, until He had placed them upon a solid, immovable platform. I saw individuals approach the platform and examine the foundation. Some with rejoicing immediately stepped upon it. Others commenced to find fault with the foundation. They wished improvements made, and then the platform would be more perfect, and the people much happier. Some stepped off the platform to examine it and declared it to be laid wrong. But I saw that nearly all stood firm upon the platform and exhorted those who had stepped off to cease their complaints; for God was the Master Builder, and they were fighting against Him. They recounted the wonderful work of God, which had led them to the firm platform, and in union raised their eyes to heaven and with a loud voice glorified God. This affected some of those who had complained and left the platform, and they with humble look again stepped upon it" —Early Writings, page 258.3.

1886: “That which was truth in the beginning [of Adventism] is truth now. Although new and important truths appropriate for succeeding generations have been opened to the understanding, the present revealings do not contradict those of the past. Every new truth understood only makes more significant the old” —Ellen White, Review & Herald, March 2, 1886.

Please, consider prayerfully, the following excerpt from Sister White's first vision when you say "It does not matter in the least to me what SDA pioneers said":

Ellen White's FIRST VISION here: "Others rashly denied the light behind them [OLD SDA PIONEER DOCTRINES SETUP IN THE BEGINNING OF ADVENTISM] and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out, leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and lost sight of the mark and of Jesus, and fell off the path down into the dark and wicked world below." Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 58.4 (Ellen G. White).

This is where I think the misunderstanding comes in for the majority of people. They think the SDA church has been Laodicean "from the beginning", but this is NOT true.The true SDA movement is PURE, [but apostates STEP OFF OF THIS PATH = those who bring back the doctrines the early SDA pioneers, the "VIRGIN BAND" GOT RID OF] and there have always been true and pure people who ARE the PHILADELPHIAN church triumphant, members of the church in Heaven, those whose names are written in the Book of Life, those who obey and follow Christ (Rev 14:4 "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth") into the Most Holy Place in the Heavenly Sanctuary by FAITH since Oct 22, 1844.

JAMES WHITE, A MODERN MOSES WHO REPRESENTS A TYPE OF CHRIST TO GOD'S PEOPLE TODAY, SAYS: “The third angel's message was, and still is, a WARNING to the saints [TODAY = 2016!] to "hold fast," and not go back, and "receive" the marks (of the Papal beast=TRINITY, SUNDAY WORSHIP, Sprinkling) which the virgin band got rid of, during the second angel's [1843-1844] cry” —A Word to the "Little Flock" JAMES WHITE, Topsham, Maine April 21, 1847.

"In a vision given me at Bordoville, Vermont, December 10, 1871, I was shown that the position of my husband has been a very difficult one. A pressure of care and labor has been upon him. His brethren in the ministry have not had these burdens to bear, and they have not appreciated his labors. The constant pressure upon him has taxed him mentally and physically. I was shown that his relation to the people of God was similar, in some respects, to that of Moses to Israel. There were murmurers against Moses, when in adverse circumstances, and there have been murmurers against him" —Testimonies for the Church Volume 3, Page 85.

"Moses was a type of Christ" Patriarchs & Prophets, Chapter 43, p. 480-481.

Ellen White, the Messenger of the Lord said in 1905: “Let the aged men who were pioneers in our work speak plainly, and let those who are dead speak also, by the reprinting of their articles in our periodicals”—Ellen White, Manuscript 62, 1905, cited in “The Integrity of the Sanctuary Message.”

1905: “We are to REPEAT THE WORDS of the pioneers in our work, who knew what it cost to search for the truth as for hidden treasure, and who labored to lay the foundation of our work. The word given me is, Let that which these men have written in the past be reproduced”—Review and Herald, May 25, 1905.

"The standard-bearers who have fallen in death, are to speak through the reprinting of their writings to bear their testimony as to what constitutes truth for this time" —CWE32.

"Let those who are dead speak by reprinting their articles" —MS62, 1905.

God is picking a Bride for His Son for eternity from among the common people, from among this last generation, from among the faithful men and women in the SDA Philadelphian movement from 1844-Sunday law legislation aka probation closes for the House of God. Those who live and give the 3 Angel's Messages from Oct 22, 1844 until they make their choice at the Sunday law. He is picking 144,000 Brides of Christ. When that number is made up, the end will come.

"The graves were opened, and those who had died in faith under the third angel's message, keeping the Sabbath, came forth from their dusty beds, glorified, to hear the covenant of peace that God was to make with those who had kept His law." Early Writings, p. 285.1.

Ellen White writes, "All these truths are immortalized in my writings. The Lord never denies His word. Men may get up scheme after scheme, and the enemy will seek to seduce souls from the truth, but all who believe that the Lord has spoken through [SDA PIONEER] Sister White, and has given her a message, will be safe from the many delusions that will come in in these last days" 8MR 320.2.

You said, "It does not matter in the least to me what SDA pioneers said" = Brother Lemke! Are you saying you do not believe the Three Angel's Messages? THIS is WHAT the SDA pioneers messages were ALL about! Surely you could not mean what you said, or I am misunderstanding what you said! If you really don't care in the least what the SDA pioneers said, WHY do you bother quoting Sister White?

"The Lord has declared that the history of the past shall be rehearsed as we enter upon the closing work. Every truth that He has given for these last days is to be proclaimed to the world. Every pillar that He has established is to be strengthened. We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. . . .There is need now to rehearse the experience of the men who acted a part in the establishment of our work at the beginning" —Ms 129, 1905 Ellen White.

“Many of the pioneers, who shared with us these trials and victories, remained true till the close of life, and have fallen asleep in Jesus. Among these is the faithful warrior [Elder James White] who for thirty-six years stood by my side [husband] in the battle for truth. God used him as a teacher and leader to stand in the front ranks during the severe struggles of those early days of the message; but he has fallen at his post, and, with others who have died in the faith, he awaits the coming of the Lifegiver, who will call him from his gloomy prison-house to a glorious immortality” —RH, November 20, 1883 par. 6.

“Many of our people do not realize how firmly the foundation of our faith has been laid. My husband, Elder Bates, Father pierce, Elder [Hiram] Edson, and others who were keen, noble, and true, were among those who, after the passing of the time in 1844, searched for the truth as for hidden treasure. I met with them, and we studied and prayed earnestly…. light was given that helped us to understand the scriptures in regard to Christ, His mission, and His priesthood. A line of truth extending from that time to the time when we shall enter the city of God, was made plain to me, and I gave to others the instruction that the Lord had given me. . . What influence is it that would lead men at this stage of our history to work in an underhand, powerful way to tear down the foundation of our faith–the foundation that was laid at the beginning of our work [Philadelphia - church triumphant, whose names are written in the Book of Life IN HEAVEN! I can find these quotes for you if you believe in the pioneers, but if you don't believe in the Three Angel's Messages it is a waste of my time dear Brother!] by prayerful study of the Word and revelation? Upon this foundation we have been building for the past fifty years.” (Selected Messages bk.1, p. 206-7 1904 Ellen White)

“And when once these deluded souls had departed from the old landmarks of faith, they had let go their anchor, and were tossed about like the waves of the sea.” {ST, March 27, 1884 par. 2 Ellen White}

“We have wandered away from the old landmarks. Let us return. If the Lord be God, serve Him; if Baal, serve him. Which side will you be on?” {5T 137 Ellen White}

THIS is the FOUNDATION, the OLD LANDMARKS, says our Prophetess Ellen White, that people STEP OFF OF, the platform of ETERNAL TRUTH! THE ROCK OF AGES! THIS IS MENTIONED IN THE VERY FIRST VISION OF ELLEN WHITE! Here's a link to her first vision right here, and an excerpt is below for your convenience:

"While I was praying at the family altar, the Holy Ghost fell upon me, and I seemed to be rising higher and higher, far above the dark world. I turned to look for the Advent people in the world,but could not find them, when a voice said to me, "Look again, and look a little higher." [Those who go by faith into the Most Holy Place in Heaven follow Jesus there per Rev 14:4] At this I raised my eyes, and saw a straight and narrow path, cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people were traveling to the city, which was at the farther end of the path. They [SDA movment] had a bright light set up behind them at the beginning of the path, which an angel told me was the midnight cry. This light shone all along the path and gave light for their feet so that they might not stumble. If they kept their eyes fixed on Jesus, who was just before them, leading them to the city, they were safe. But soon some grew weary, and said the city was a great way off, and they expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage [15] them by raising His glorious right arm, and from His arm came a light which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted, "Alleluia!" Others rashly denied the light [those who bring PAPAL marks of the beast teachings like the teaching that Jeanine Sautron states: "He stated his identity: "We are three persons in one same person: THE FATHER, I, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT." (12) "We are three (3) persons in one (1) same person." It is thus that he said to me that he is God. (13) I have seen GOD, the GOD of the UNIVERSE!" Jeanine Suatron, Dreams and Visions #508, June 11, 2016. ] behind them and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out, leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and lost sight of the mark and of Jesus, and fell off the path down into the dark and wicked world below. "

The Bible says ONLY the Son of God has seen the Father who is to us today INVISIBLE, because His Son is our ONLY mediator, our ONLY INTERCESSOR - there is NOT another person called "God the Holy Spirit" who is our INTERCESSOR! HE, the THIRD PERSON OR BEING IS THE ENEMY GOD HAS WARNED US ABOUT! We want the HOLY SPIRIT WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST not a THIRD BEING, THE HOLY SPIRIT OF CHRIST IS LIKE A PERSON, BUT NOT A PERSON!!! It is the 2,000 year old both human and DIVINE Spirit of Christ that is to live inside of our sacred body temples:

John 6:46

not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God; only He has seen the Father.

“The evidence given in our early experience has the same force that it had then. The truth is the same as it ever has been, and not a pin or a pillar can be moved from the structure of truth. That which was sought for out of the Word in 1844, 1845, and 1846 remains the truth in every particular.” Letter 38, 1906 Ellen White

The SDA movement has always had a small remnant who believed and obeyed the Three Angel's Messages! The majority of "Adventists" have apostatized from the original doctrines of the SDA early pioneer teachings = and they have become the 501c3 {and other groups who adopt Papal teachings such as a trinity concept of God} "offshoots" from the great truths that were setup in the beginning of Adventism!

You said, "It does not matter in the least to me what SDA pioneers said" IF you really and truly believe what you said, why pray tell, would you bother quoting Ellen White? SHE was an SDA early pioneer!

"Who has authority to begin such a [NEW] movement? [to abandon the pillars of the pioneers] We have our Bibles, we have our experience, attested to by the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. WE HAVE A TRUTH THAT ADMITS OF NO COMPROMISE. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony with this truth?" —E.G. White, Selected Messages, Vol. 1, 204, 205.

1903: "The warning has come: Nothing is to be allowed to come in that will disturb the foundation of the faith upon which we have been building ever since the message came in 1842, 1843, and 1844. I was in this message, and ever since I have been standing before the world, true to the light that God has given us. We do not propose to take our feet off the platform on which they were placed as day by day we sought the Lord with earnest prayer, seeking for light. Do you think that I could give up the light that God has given me? It is to be as the Rock of Ages" —GCB April 6th1903.

IF you believe Ellen White to be INSPIRED, SHE SAID: “He (Elder James White) received a commendation that few others have attained. God has permitted the precious light of truth to shine upon His word and illuminate the mind of my husband. He may reflect the rays of light from the presence of Jesus upon others by his preaching and writing” —E. G. White, Testimonies for the Church Volume 3, p. 502.

“Many of the pioneers, who shared with us these trials and victories, remained true till the close of life, and have fallen asleep in Jesus. Among these is the faithful warrior [Elder James White] who for thirty-six years stood by my side [husband] in the battle for truth. God used him as a teacher and leader to stand in the front ranks during the severe struggles of those early days of the message; but he has fallen at his post, and, with others who have died in the faith, he awaits the coming of the Lifegiver, who will call him from his gloomy prison-house to a glorious immortality” —RH, November 20, 1883 par. 6.

God has chosen these early SDA pioneers to STAND IN THE BREACH made in the Law of God!

Ellen White said James S. White was:

• similar to "Moses to Israel" Testimonies for the Church Volume 3, Page 85;

• "Moses was a type of Christ." {Patriarchs & Prophets, Chapter 43, p. 480-481;

• "KEEN, NOBLE & TRUE" SM bk.1, p. 206-7 1904;

• given "GREAT LIGHT also" and SM bk.1, p. 206-7 1904;

• "he was to speak and WRITE it out for OTHERS", SM bk.1, p. 206-7 1904;

• "He received a commendation that few others have attained." TC v. 3, p. 502

• "God has permitted the precious light of truth to shine upon His Word and illuminate the mind of my husband." TC v. 3, p. 502

• "He may reflect the rays of light from the presence of Jesus upon OTHERS" TC v. 3, p. 502

• "by his preaching and WRITING.” TC v. 3, p. 502

"Therefore He said that He would destroy them, Had not Moses [Elder James Springer White and the other SDA pioneers today] His chosen one stood in the breach before Him, To turn away His wrath from destroying them" Psalm 106:23.

“Those who seek to remove the old landmarks [1840-1850 truths - the first 50 years of Adventism] are NOT holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as BLIND MEN. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor” MR769.5.

"The message of the fall of Babylon, as given by the second angel [Rev. 14:8], is repeated, with the additional mention of the corruption's which have been entering the churches since 1844. The work of this angel comes in at the right time to join in the last great work of the third angel's [Rev. 14:9-12 anti-Pope's anti-trinity, anti-sunday] message as it swells to a loud cry" —Early Writtings, p. 277.1.

"This scripture points forward to a time when the announcement of the fall of Babylon, as made by the second angel of Revelation 14[:8], is to be repeated ["prophesy again" after a tarrying time! God is so merciful!], with the ADDITIONAL mention of the corruptions which have been entering the various organizations (501c3 churches) that constitute Babylon(all churches who have adopted false doctrines in common with the Papel Mother beast -like the Trinity, Eucharist, Sunday worship - all 501c3 churches become "ANOTHER BEAST" per Rev 13:11, the two horns represent Republicanism and former Protestantism in the United States), since that message was first given, in the summer of 1844" The Great Controversy 1888, p. 603.2.

"A glorious light then rested down upon these companies

[ONLY those who obey the third angel’s message and go out (separate) of all false doctrines (Rev 18:4, Matthew 25:6, Revelation 14:9-12) will be allowed to help give the loud cry: “Isaiah 60:1: Arise, shine; for thy light (Early SDA doctrines, 1841-1846 messages are again REPEATED at the close of time = NOW) is come, and the glory (7th Day Sabbath) of the Lord is risen upon thee” Isaiah 60:1. TO THOSE WHO GO OUT [separate from apostasy, those who have rejected the old Adventist messages, the 3 angels anti-Satan's doctrine messages: Rev. 14:6-12] TO MEET THE BRIDEGROOM [by faith in the Most Holy Place in the Heavenly Sanctuary] IS THIS MESSAGE GIVEN" Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 420.3.],

1905: “Let the aged men who were pioneers in our work speak plainly, and let those who are dead speak also, by the reprinting of their articles in our periodicals”—Ellen White, Manuscript 62, 1905, cited in “The Integrity of the Sanctuary Message.”

1905: “We are to REPEAT THE WORDS of the pioneers in our work, who knew what it cost to search for the truth as for hidden treasure, and who labored to lay the foundation of our work. The word given me is, Let that which these men have written in the past be reproduced”—Review and Herald, May 25, 1905.

"The standard-bearers who have fallen in death, are to speak through the reprinting of their writings to bear their testimony as to what constitutes truth for this time" —CWE32.

"Let those who are dead speak by reprinting their articles" —MS62, 1905.

"Rehearse the experience of the men who acted a part in the establishment of our work in the beginning" —MS129, 1905.

"The history of the early experiences in the message will be a power to withstand the masterly ingenuity of Satan’s deceptions" —Letter 99, 1905.

"The record of the experience through which the people of God passed in the early history of our work must be republished" —Letter 105, 1903.

"The experience of William Miller and his associates, of Captain Joseph Bates, and of other pioneers in the advent message, should be kept before our people" —Letter 105, 1903.

"Review the past experience of the people of God;review the history of the work from the first, as if you were beholding it in a mirror [does "new" Adventist teachings MIRROR "old" Adventist pioneer teachings? No!]. Has this work been what it has been represented to you to be?" —Lt 100, 1911 (November 21, 1911) par. 9.

"Those who stand as teachers and leaders in our institutions are to be sound in the faith and in the principles of the third angel's [Rev. 14:9-12; anti-Pope, anti-Catholic, Anti-Trinity, Anti-Sunday] message. God wants His people to know that we have the message as He gave it to us in 1843 and 1844. We knew thenwhat the message meant, and we call upon our people today to obey the word, "Bind up the law among My disciples." In this world there are but two classes,--the obedient and the disobedient. To which class do we belong?" —GCB April 1st 1903.

1886: “That which was truth in the beginning is truth now. Although new and important truths appropriate for succeeding generations have been opened to the understanding, the present revealings do not contradict those of the past. Every new truth understood only makes more significant the old” —Ellen White, Review & Herald, March 2, 1886.

"In every age there is a new development of truth, a message of God to the people of that generation. The old truths are all essential; new truth is not independent of the old, but an unfolding of it. It is only as the old truths are understood that we can comprehend the new" —COL p. 127.4.

"The Lord has declared that the history of the past shall be rehearsed as we enter upon the closing work. Every truth that He has given for these last days is to be proclaimed to the world. Every pillar that He has established is to be strengthened. We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. . . .There is need now to rehearse the experience of the men who acted a part in the establishment of our work at the beginning" —Ms 129, 1905 Ellen White.

"Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories… there will be a departing from the faith. Where shall we find safety unless it be in the truths that the Lord has been giving for the last fifty years?" —Ellen White RH, May 25, 1905 par. 28.

"I know from the light that God has given me that there should be a revival of the messages that have been given in the past, because men will seek to bring in new theories, and will try to prove that these theories are scriptural, whereas they are error, which, if allowed a place, will undermine faith in the truth. We are not to accept these suppositions and pass them along as truth. No, no; we must not move from the platform of truth on which we have been established" —UL 199 Ellen White.

1905: “When the power of God testifies as to what is truth, that truth is to stand forever as the truth. No after-suppositions, contrary to the light God has given are to be entertained. Men will arise with interpretations of Scripture which are to them truth, but which are NOT truth. The truth for this time, God has given us as a foundation for our faith. He Himself has taught us what is truth. One will arise, and still another, with new light which contradicts the light that God has given under the demonstration of His Holy Spirit. A few are still alive who passed through the experience gained in the establishment of this truth. God has graciously spared their lives to repeat and repeat till the close of their lives, the experience through which they passed even as did John the apostle till the very close of his life. And the standard- bearers who have fallen in death, are to speak through the reprinting of their writings. I am instructed that thus their voices are to be heard. They are to bear their testimony as to what constitutes the truth for this time” —Preach the Word, p. 5; Ellen White, 1905, Counsels to Writers and Editors, pages 31, 32.

"I saw that they were in terrible conflict as to whether to take their stand for or against the light that God has permitted me to bear to the world. It seemed to me like a life-and-death question. I cannot describe it, but the conflict was a terrible one. The seductive presentations (trinity doctrine) framed by satanic agencies were presented by subtle reasoning, and their minds had well-nigh become overwhelmed when a heavenly messenger let light shine forth. There came to them the thought, “Review the past experience of the people of God; review the history of the work from the first, as if you were beholding it in a mirror. Has this work been what it has been represented to you to be? Then another and still another scene was presented before them by the heavenly messenger, until they saw truth bearing the signature of the heavenly in the past, then present, and still more decidedly in the future. The words were spoken, “Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, that leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Broad is the road and wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat” —Manuscript Releases, vol. 13 [Nos. 1000-1080], p. 369.1 (Ellen G. White).