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Early College Questions
Early College Questions
Can I choose the 3 high school courses at Logan?
The Early College program includes 3 pre-selected courses. All students will be placed into those courses with the other Early College students. We are a cohort-style program and students take all courses together. We follow the Logan bell schedule from 8:30am to 11:40pm Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays, & Fridays. 8:30am to 10:55am on Wednesdays. Other classes at Logan or Ohlone cannot be scheduled during those times.
Seniors take World Literature with Ms. Fenzl, Government and Economics with Mr. Nabizad, and Middle College Seminar with Ms. Fenzl. There is no exception to these classes if you want to be part of the cohort.
What if I want to take AP Classes? Is that possible?
If you want to take AP classes, we suggest you stay with a traditional Logan schedule (6-7 periods a day) which will give you access to all of the AP options at Logan. You may be able to add an AP course to your cohort block schedule as long as it does not conflict with or replace your core cohort classes.
What is the difference between taking AP courses at Logan and being in the Early College program?
The community college classes you take at at the community college are already college classes. You won’t have to take an AP exam to try to earn credit for them. Instead, you earn credit by passing the class. The classes will go on your community college transcript. When you choose to attend a 4-year university, you can submit your community college transcript to see about earning credit. Classes at the community college are one semester long.
AP classes are rigorous, college-level courses that can possibly earn you college units if you take and pass the AP exam for that course at the end of the year. The courses are year-long courses and give strong foundations in the subject. Each test costs about $95.00 and takes about 3 hours. Not all colleges give credit for AP courses, and not all colleges give credit for all AP classes. It depends on the college you attend and the major you choose. For example, if you attend a university and plan to study in a STEM field, some universities require you to take those courses at their university. Also, some schools do not give credit for both AP English classes (they may give credit for one course/exam). It really depends on the university you choose to attend. You can look up the policy for each university by searching on their website.
Not all community college classes will be worth credit at every university. That’s why the community colleges require you to take courses that are CSU/UC transferable. These are essentially classes that the CSU/UC programs have already designated for their degree programs. Ideally, these will transfer easily and give you credit.
How many college classes am I required to take?
You will take 2 or more college classes each semester at the community college. You can take up to 11 units. However, remember to factor in the workload of your Logan classes as well as any jobs or other extracurricular activities. Taking at least 2 will help you stay on track to have enough units to graduate from Logan. If you take fewer college courses, you will need to enroll in more classes at Logan.
If I only take 2 college classes at a community college each semester, that means I will take 5 classes overall. Most Logan students take 6 classes. Will I still have enough credits to graduate?
Your Logan classes count for the same credits as your other Logan classes in the past. However, your community college classes are weighted a bit differently. They will count for more credits than a typical semester-long class at Logan. So, even though you may not be taking as many classes, you can still end up with enough units.
What happens if I don’t pass one of my classes at the community college?
That class and grade will go on your community college's transcript, and it will stay there. You may be able to repeat the class and replace the grade (reach out to an Ohlone or Chabot counselor ASAP to learn more about the specific rules around this). If you don’t, that grade will stay part of your transcript. This can hurt your GPA, especially if the course was a higher-unit course.
This is also something to consider if you are looking to transfer to one of the impacted UC or CSU schools. Some universities may require you to have strong grades and/or a strong GPA in your college classes to transfer. Failing grades that pull down your overall GPA could potentially hurt your chances to attend one of the popular/impacted UCs such as UCLA or UC Berkeley.
Please meet with a community college counselor to discuss your transfer plans to understand better how this may affect you.
What are the benefits and drawbacks to a cohort-style program like the Early College Cohort?
You will spend 3 periods at Logan with the same 2 teachers. You will also spend those 3 periods with the same cohort of students. If you get along easily with others and prefer to be in situations where you know the people around you well, you might prefer a cohort program like the Early College Cohort. If you prefer to meet many different people and see many different teachers, you might prefer the traditional Logan schedule. You will get to meet new people if you take in-person classes at the community college, but not all of our students do. Some prefer to take online/asynchronous classes. This means they are not necessarily meeting new people in person.
Our program finishes up in time for lunch and you may be able to see your Logan friends then. You can also participate in clubs, sports, and all social activities at Logan.
What if I want to take other Logan classes?
Please see us to discuss your particular situation. We have been able to arrange for students to still participate in Forensics by taking Forensics 7th period. However, this requires students to leave Logan at noon and then return for 7th period each day. This is not an easy path, but will allow students to continue to participate in Forensics as an extracurricular activity. It really depends on whether the classes you want to take are available during the periods that are flexible in your schedule. The Cohort program is designed for students who want to start taking college courses. If you still want to take a full load of Logan classes, you should remain a Logan student and take your classes at Logan. You can always choose to take a class at the community college on your own without enrolling in the Early College Cohort.
What if I still need to take Ethnic Studies for the graduation requirement for Logan?
There are some Ethnic Studies classes at our local community colleges that you can take to meet the Logan requirement. These need to be classes that are aligned with the required Ethnic Studies curriculum at Logan. Please meet with our Logan counselor Ms. Dutra—she can help you select an Ethnic Studies class that meets the graduation requirements. If you don't take one of the courses that is aligned, it will not count for your Logan graduation requirement. If you prefer, we can place you in an Ethnic Studies course here at Logan.
I still need to take a VAPA class. Can I do that at the community college?
Yes, you can take art or drama classes that can meet your requirement. Please meet with our Logan counselor Ms. Dutra to check in on this (to make sure that you haven’t met this requirement another way and that the class you plan to take at the community college will count). There are particular courses that meet our VAPA requirements, so it's important to select one of those. Sometimes students will stay and take a VAPA at Logan so they can be sure to meet this requirement. In that case, we would enroll you in an extra period at Logan.
I play a sport for Logan and am required to take athletic PE 7th period. Can I do that? What will my schedule look like?
Yes, you can still participate in Logan’s sports teams. However, we wrap up at noon each day. This means that you will need to return home and return to Logan before 7th period for your last class. That can be challenging if you live farther away or don’t have access to convenient transportation. You may be able to spend the time studying at the Union City library or a nearby business. You are expected to exit campus at noon/when your Logan classes end.
I’m very involved with a club at Logan. Can I still be involved in the club?
Yes, you can still participate in all student activities at Logan: clubs, sports, social events, spirit activities, etc. However, it isn’t always easy to do so. Some clubs meet after school, so you may need to arrange to return to Logan at the end of the school day to attend club meetings/events. You may need to schedule your community college classes carefully to make sure that you are free after school to return to Logan.
You also have the option to get involved with clubs and organizations at the community college Please make sure you check with your parents or guardians joining clubs/student organizations at the community college as Logan teachers do not supervise those clubs the way Logan clubs have a staff advisor.
What if I don’t like the program and want to return to a regular Logan schedule? Is it possible to change my mind?
Yes, it is possible. But there are some challenges. Please consider the following information carefully. If you change your mind about the program, you need to exit the program at a semester break. Ideally, you would finish all of your semester-long college classes and then decide to return to a Logan schedule. If you try to exit halfway through the year, remember that you will then be placed in 6 classes at Logan. Most of those classes will have been going for half the year. You may feel a bit behind when you join a class that has been together for half the year already. We can also place you in MSOL classes as a way to earn credits at your own pace. Some of our students appreciate the flexibility of MSOL classes but they do require you to be more self-directed to finish.
In some subjects, like math, it may not be feasible to join a class at the beginning of second semester—you will have missed too much material.
It would be best to exit the program at the end of the year. Then you can begin a new set of Logan classes at the beginning of the following year. However, if you are not passing your classes, it may be better to make a change at the semester to make sure you don’t fall too far behind on credits so you can stay on track to graduate.
If you are thinking about leaving the program, please reach out to Ms. Fenzl and Ms. Dutra. We can look over your situation and give some suggestions. Ms. Dutra can let you know what kind of Logan schedule might be available to you.
Questions about Community College
Questions about Community College
Do I have to pay anything to be in the program? Are there any costs associated with the program?
Your Logan classes and all class materials for your Logan classes are free. The tuition for your community college classes is covered by the community college. However, you are responsible for a small Student Activity fee each semester (so far, it seems to be about $30.00). You are also responsible for any textbooks or materials (including lab fees/art supplies, etc) for your community college classes, just like any college student. You are also responsible for providing your own transportation to the community college if you take in-person classes. If you choose to drive a car to the community college, you must pay for parking. You can purchase a parking pass from the college for the semester or pay for daily parking each time you are on the college campus. Some of our students commute to their community college by BART/bus and need to cover those expenses.
If cost is a concern for you, we recommend you stay in the traditional Logan program, where all classes and all materials are provided. Another tip for reducing costs is to check the required materials for each class you are considering taking before you sign up for it. Some classes may require more expensive textbooks and lab fees. Other classes may use minimal materials. We will teach you how to look up textbook and supply fees as you research classes to add to your schedule.
I don’t drive. Can I still be in the program?
You have a few different options for taking your courses at a community college. You can arrange to take online-only courses, and log in from home to attend classes/complete coursework. You can also arrange to be dropped off/picked up from the community college by a family member. You may be able to take BART or buses to the college, so that may be an option as well. We recommend you consider this carefully. If transportation affects your ability to make it to your college classes, that may also affect your learning and grades. Some of our students really enjoy the online courses as they usually complete work in a way that works for them, but some students do not enjoy working independently.
I can drive myself to the college campus. What else do I need to know about transportation?
There is a fee to park on a college campus. You can buy a pass for the semester or purchase a less expensive daily pass each time you go to campus. If you park on campus without a parking pass, you will almost certainly receive a parking ticket.
Where will my college classes be held?
For Ohlone courses, college classes may be held at either of the Ohlone college campuses: the main Fremont campus or the Newark classes. Please make sure you check the schedule carefully when you are picking classes. You need to make sure you have time to attend your Logan classes until noon and can then commute to the appropriate Ohlone campus. You will need to leave extra time to park and walk to your class. If you choose to enroll at Chabot, there is one campus in Hayward.
If you choose online synchronous classes, your class will have Zoom sessions that you are required to attend online. You are expected to log in at a particular time and participate via the Zoom. You will need to make sure that you can get home in time to log in for your Zoom sessions.
If you choose asynchronous classes, you will not attend live sessions at all. Instead the instructor/professor will post work in Canvas that you are expected to complete on your own by the deadlines. Often, modules unlock at the beginning of each week and all work for that module is due at the end of the week.
How does attendance work for college classes? Is attendance required?
Each professor’s syllabus will detail the requirements for attendance for the class. For your college classes, you do not need to have your parents call you in when you miss class. However, you should check the attendance policy carefully. There may be minimum attendance requirements. If you miss too many classes, you may automatically fail the class or you may be dropped from the class.
Please note: If you do not attend classes during the first few weeks of school, you may be dropped to make room for students on the wait list. It’s especially important to show up for all classes, especially the first classes. We recommend that if you miss class, you email the professor to let them know and follow up on missing material or to reschedule missed quizzes/tests/labs.
Your Logan classes will take attendance in the traditional way. We record attendance with Logan each period. If you are absent, your guardians need to email the Attendance staff at Logan. You are responsible for all work whether you are in class or not, and excessive absences may put you on Logan's Exclusion List (which may prevent you from going to extra events, like Prom or Powder Puff). If you don't want to attend classes in person, we recommend you look into New Haven's Personalized Learning Academy.
What is the difference between live online classes and asynchronous classes?
If you choose online synchronous classes, your class will have Zoom sessions that you are required to attend online. You are expected to log in at a particular time and participate via Zoom.
If you choose asynchronous classes, you will not attend live sessions at all. Instead the instructor/professor will post work in Canvas that you are expected to complete by the deadlines.
How does the math program at Ohlone work?
Students take a Self-Guided Placement online which will help you understand which math class to enroll in next. Currently, our students are only allowed to register for classes that transfer to the CSU/UC systems. The expectation is that students will be ready to take Pre-Calculus or Statistics. If your next math course is Algebra II, we recommend that you enroll in that course at Logan 4th or 5th period. Please check with us to discuss different options for math.
I just finished Geometry at Logan. The next class I would take is Algebra 2. However, when I tried to sign up for Algebra 2, MyOhlone says that class is not available to me. What should I do?
MyOhlone will only allow you to register for the math classes that are transferable to the CSU/UC systems. So you would need to select one of the math courses listed on the IGETC form. Please reach out to us to learn more about your options for math classes. One option is that you can enroll in that course at Logan 4th or 5th period.
Can I take English classes at the community college?
Yes, you can. You just need to make sure that the English classes you take are UC/CSU transferable. Remember that the English classes at the community college are college-level English classes, and you still have a year of high-school-level English classes to take. If English is a strong subject for you, you may be ready to take a college-level English class and you might do very well. If you have struggled with your English classes in the past, you might consider waiting until you have finished your senior year English classes.
In order to have access to enroll in an English class at the community college, you need to get cleared to take the class. At Ohlone, complete the Self-Guided Placement segment on Ohlone’s website. For Chabot, follow their process when you complete your registration steps. We recommend you snap a photo or take a screenshot of the Self-Guided Placement’s recommendations for you. You can show this to the community college Counselor to get cleared to register for those classes. After you complete your Self-Guided Placement, it can take a few days for a counselor to approve your placement. Don't wait until the last minute to do this. It's an easy step.
I have an IEP or 504 plan at Logan. What are some things I might need to know before joining the Early College Cohort?
It’s important to consider this carefully before you make any decisions about Early College.
Your IEP/504 will still apply to your 3 high school classes at Logan. Your Logan teachers will be given a copy of your current plan and can work with you to meet that.
However, your high school IEP/504 changes when you go to college. You will need to set up a meeting with Student Accessibility Services at Ohlone College or DSPS at Chabot College and send them a copy of your current plan. They will review the plan with you and then create a list of accommodations for your college classes. Please note: your college instructors/professors will not be aware of this plan. You alone will have the access/authority to share those details with them. At the beginning of each semester, we recommend you meet with each professor or reach out by email to share details with them. Then, it will also be up to you to make arrangements for any of the accommodations/modifications listed in your plan. For example, if your college plan allows you to have extra time on exams, then you will need to email your professor before each upcoming exam to arrange for extra time. If you do not reach out to arrange this, you will not receive the accommodations.
The other important change to note is that you will no longer have a Study Skills class with your case carrier at Logan. If your Study Skills class is an important and critical support for you, you might find it very difficult to lose this support. We suggest that you set up a meeting with your Logan case carrier and discuss the program to see what they recommend. We suggest you also discuss this carefully with your family/guardians. We have seen students with IEPs/504s thrive in the supported program of the Early College Cohort. It can be a great way to transition to the rigor of college classes with some support. Also, by going through the process of enrolling in SAS/DSPS now, you will be completely set up for after you graduate if you continue on with Ohlone or Chabot. However, we have also had students leave the program after finding that the workload felt unmanageable. It can be extra work to manage your own supports.
If you need support in enrolling in SAS or DSPS, Ms. Fenzl can help and can also sit in on the meeting with you.
Life After High School Graduation
Life After High School Graduation
When I graduate, will I have an Associate’s degree? Will I have completed the transfer requirements to transfer to a CSU or UC as a junior?
For students in the program for one year, you will likely have about one semester of college completed. College students frequently find it difficult to graduate with their Bachelor's degree in 4 years, so having an extra semester of classes completed while still in high school can help you graduate from college. Most of our students take 6-8 units a semester. Some students take up to 11 units a semester (however, that can be very challenging).
At this time, the UC systems still consider high school graduates as first-year freshmen for purposes of college applications. So, even if you did complete the transfer agreement, if you have not spent any semesters at community college as a graduated student, they will consider you in the pool of all first-time freshman applicants. Of course, having that many college classes on your transcript would be advantageous. But it doesn’t seem to move you into the pool of “transfer” students. In terms of getting accepted to one of the highly impacted universities with very low acceptance rates, it may be advantageous to stay on at a community college for an additional semester or year and then apply as a transfer student. You may want to meet with our Logan counselor to discuss this. You can also try reaching out to the Admissions Office at a university you plan to apply to.
I want to apply directly to a 4-year university during my senior year. Can I still do that even in the Early College Cohort? Or do I have to stay on at the community college?
Yes, you can absolutely still apply directly to 4-year universities during the normal application windows during your senior year. You are not required in any way to continue on at your community college until you are ready to transfer. If you choose to apply to universities, you will simply list the coursework you have taken at your community college as part of your application and then you will send the community college transcript along with your Logan transcript. It will count as evidence of your college readiness. If you are accepted to a 4-year university, you can choose to attend that university. When you meet with your academic advisor for that school, you can share your transcript to see what kind of credit they will give you for the classes you have completed. It will be important to do this before you start selecting classes at your university: you don’t want to accidentally take any courses that you don’t need to take.
Ideally, your community college courses will get you excused from some of the coursework at your university. It may also give you units toward your standing. For example, if you come in with enough units, you can be considered a sophomore and may be given an earlier "priority" registration date for selecting classes.
When I graduate, I would like to attend a different community college that is closer to where I live or that has a program I am really interested in. Do I have to continue on at the same community college or can I switch to a different community college?
You are not required to continue on at Ohlone or Chabot after you graduate from Logan. Because you have been selecting transferable classes off of the universal IGETC/transfer plan, you should be able to continue working on your transfer requirements at any community college. Most community colleges open their application process in the spring of senior year. Apply to the community college that is a good fit for you. When you begin at that community college, we recommend you meet with an academic advisor/counselor to go over your high school transcript and the college transcript you have completed so far. You want to make sure you don’t accidentally sign up for any requirements that you have already completed.
Different community colleges may offer different programs that may be interesting or useful to you. For example, Chabot College has an established firefighting program. There is another community college in the Bay Area that offers pre-engineering courses. Ohlone College does offer the Ohlone Promise scholarship, which covers the cost of tuition, fees, and books for two years. A couple of our students received this scholarship, which means all of their community college work will be free.
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