Math Justice League Blog
April 2024
The Conversational Hierarchy: Be A Builder, Not a Seagull!
Dear Math Justice League,
You’re all set for your math lesson. You’ve introduced a high quality math question, created flexible groups, and had students restate the question. You send your students off into groups confident that they’ll succeed. Everything’s going great until you check in on your groups.
In the first group, one person takes over and does all the work. A second group just sits there with no one suggesting ideas. A third group is constantly talking over each other and can’t come to a consensus.
What’s going on?
You did everything right. Right?
For years I just expected kids to be able to talk productively with each other, especially in non-controversial subjects such as math. But, especially now as we come out of the pandemic, we can’t take it for granted that students have the skills to hold productive conversations. They need opportunities to reflect and build these skills.
For me, that comes in the form of mini-character lessons that I’ve organized into what I call The Conversational Hierarchy. On the first page of his novel Anna Kerinina, Tolstoy famously wrote that “all happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.”
Years ago I decided to analyze the ways an unhappy family–in this case, a classroom–breaks down. I created characters that kids could relate to, and who were causing the breakdown. The first four characters I created were the ones shutting down conversations.
The Seagull is a character who just wants to be heard. Seagulls shout over each other, push each other, seek their most basic needs. They are squawking too loudly to hear anyone else.
A Tantrum Type seeks drama. They want to be the center of attention and can’t see anyone else’s point of view. Until they calm down, no one can have a conversation with them.
The Dictator feels they have to be in control. Consequently, they boss everyone else around. They are interested in monologue, not dialogue.
The Judge may not issue orders, but they are the master of the snide remark; they make everyone else nervous and afraid to speak up, lest they be a target. Even one person like this can silence a classroom.
The next three characters are not shutting down conversations, but they’re not contributing much, either.
The Reluctant Rabbit is afraid of making a mistake. They are quiet, timid, and shy. They may have much to share but are afraid of doing so.
The Butterfly flits from one thing to another like a butterfly goes from flower to flower. The Butterfly is the prototypical distracted learner–starting one project, then wandering off to start another, leaving the first undone. (This is me, by the way. This blog post was written piecemeal, as I toggled between rebuilding my back porch, making airline reservations, and grading math tests.) The Butterfly is often interested in ideas, but goes off on tangents, changes the topic, and derails conversations.
We have all been The Bridge. The Bridge hears a story about someone else’s dog and can’t wait to tell about their dog. They are making connections, but only to themself.
Now we get to the characters that help foster productive discourse:
The Hype Person is that supportive friend who gets you, who draws out the best in you; who is always on your side. It’s easy to talk to them because you feel seen, not judged.
The Builder is the most important character in the whole hierarchy. A few of these folks in your class and discussions will hum along. Builders reconcile different ideas and different people. They hear all sides of an argument. They don’t need to be right, or take the credit for an idea. Builders get things done!
The Thinker is another rare breed. This student may not speak up all that much, but when they do, they espouse original ideas. Sometimes, teachers struggle with this character, because they have a knack for asking inopportune questions.
Now, return to your groups. That first group, where one person takes over and does all the work? You’ve got yourself a Dictator there. That second group, that just sits there–it’s a warren of Reluctant Rabbits (who may be afraid of being judged). Then you have the Seagulls, constantly talking over each other.
As fun as it is to put a label on the problem, however, it’s just the first step. The challenge is to introduce these characters to your students in a non-judgmental way. It’s critical to realize that these characters are not essential traits; they are actions we have control over. They are choices we make. At some point, for instance, we have ALL been Seagulls, crying out to be heard. We have all been Dictators and bossed others around. But we can all be the Builder, too!
I usually introduce the characters by talking about myself–about times when I have been a Seagull or a Dictator. And it’s often my kids who point out that I can float around like a Butterfly. (It’s pretty obvious when I’m wandering around the room, pulling out my hair as I search for those papers I had just a second ago…)
The key point is that we have control over what character we play in the conversation. We get to choose whether to interrupt, Seagull-like, or whether we cheer on someone else’s great idea. Labeling these behaviors and personifying them as characters can backfire if someone gets the idea that they are always, say, a Dictator. But, once students can say to themselves, “I need to be less of a Judge and more of a Builder,” your classroom conversations will take a step forward.
So as you launch your next class conversation, have your kids ask themselves – who will you be today?
In Crew,
Nate Gibbs
Sixth Grade Math Teacher
Genesee Community Charter School
About the Author
For the last twenty-six years, Nate Gibbs has taught in all sorts of schools–public, private, and charter–in four different states. He currently teaches sixth grade at Genesee Community Charter School in Rochester, New York.
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