i have a mutt for lack of a better word who is almost 3. We have gotten two bloodhounds 4 months ago and Benji has become very aggressive with us since. Nothing we do seems to have helped and are concerned he may bite our nieces and nephews who are all under 8. Any advice or suggestions as to what to do in this situation would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
I can comment on euthanizing aggressive dogs from the standpoint of the person to whom a dog has been aggressive. When I was a child, I was savaged by a Saint Bernard belonging to a friend. I had known this dog most of its life, and played with it without incident. One day I called the dog to come to me, and it ran to me and bit one of my ears off, and caused a laceration that required 182 stitches to close the other side of my scalp. This dog was given away, to someone who should have known better. It killed a child in that household. The dog suffered from a form of epilepsy.
Personally, I would not hesitate to euthanize a dangerous animal, as long as a reasonable attempt had been made to make the animal safe for those around it. Better to put one down, than risk the animal falling into an abusive or neglectful situation.
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So if the dog has, say three times done a level 1 bite to joggers in the park (not my dog!!! this is just an example) then I thought the chances of him suddenly doing an unprovoked level 3 attack on the owner at home were pretty much zero, and management say by muzzling and leashing when out on walks would be sufficient to keep everybody safe.
We have a dog who absolutely hates children. After biting my grandson, we went the trainer and behaviorist route to no avail. If he has access to children, he stalks them and attempts to bite. This is a dog we adopted at 11 months old from a breed specific rescue. We were not told of any of these issues. Though we talked about possibly having him put down, we have decided for now to manage him. When grandkids are here, he stays in another room or is boarded. The rescue offered to take him back but we were afraid he would just be adopted out again and cause turmoil in another family. Management works for us right now because we have no children living in our house.
Thank you so much for your article. I am a fairly new trainer ( 5 years), but do a lot of rescue work and help train fosters too. I have been asked several times if a dog needs to be put down. I ALWAYS refer them first to their vet, and then a behaviorist and I ALWAYS tell them I am not qualified to advise on that.
However I will be giving them copies of your article to help them make better descions.
Thank you.
Rebecca Wilhelmi
( friends with Angela Murray and Karen Johnson, my mentors. )
Thank you Kat for sharing your story with Finna with us. There are so many important things you emphasize in this journey you have taken with her, including the need to be realistic about how much you can accomplish, the need for management, etc. But most of all, your love for Finna shines through with your every comment, and warms each and every one of us.
Nicole: Thanks to you for expanding the conversation. I first began the article for any behavioral problem, but then ran into problems writing the piece; it is already SO long! But you are right that fear and anxiety too can cause tremendous suffering to dogs, and must be considered equally with physical suffering. Thank you for sharing the post about the journey, and for reminding us all that we must keep the health and safety of dogs in our heads and minds as well as our fellow humans.
Interestingly, he did end up forming a strong attachment to a greyhound we adopted at the time (his interactions with Apollo were just adorable). Over the course of the next 2 years, we tried everything we could think of to desensitize him to his anxiety over strange people, including training, medications, etc. I could not rehome him with anyone because he was terrified of strange people. In the end, the only people he could tolerate was me. I had to make the horrible decision of euthanizing a young, perfectly healthy, beautiful cat because his quality of life was relegated to hiding in terror whenever anyone other than me was in the house.
To this day, I still have guilt over having to make that choice, even though logically it was the best thing I could do. Emotionally I was a wreck, and I am always thankful that the vet was so understanding of the situation (even he was upset that there was nothing more that could be done). I think in the end, as was pointed out in the blog, one has to try to step back and look at the quality of life of the dog or cat (or any animal) and balancing that with what our heart wants to do. This, I feel, is the greatest responsibility anyone must undertake when becoming a pet owner.
Thank you for this thoughtful article! I have a border collie who has shown signs of aggression. Actually, I think I met you at one of your talks just as I was considering euthanasia. Fast forward about four years, and I have been able to give her a quality life with the help of medication and will never ever judge others for using meds or choosing euthanasia.
Joey had 4 1/2 years of love and possibility that would have never happened had we not taken him home that day at the shelter. But, our Westie my very first dog (at age 47 !) and Joey was the second. I never had to euthanize a dog before.
Thanks so much for this article. It is much more sophisticated and nuanced, considering many more decision making factors, than one I saw on a different facebook page earlier this week. This will be the one I share. Thanks again ?
I am a dog trainer and I also foster difficult dogs for my rescue. I have had to euthanize three dogs and every time it was agonizing. When I have clients that call about their dogs, many of them are grateful to just talk to someone who has been in their shoes. It is isolating, to say the least. Folks who have never had to make this decision can often be the most judgmental.
The first was a fear biter. She had come from a hoarder and was never handled. After two years of working with her in my home very carefully, she bit me when I needed to grab her (level 4 bite with multiple grabs). Unfortunately, a normal adopter or the child of a normal adopter would grab a dog in the same circumstances. This, along with her fear, meant that she was not safe and she was euthanized.
The second was euthanized for extreme fear (he came from the same hoarder, but at a different time). This guy would never have bitten. He shut completely down when afraid. Medication was tried over the course of two to three years. He would not come out of his crate. He would not eat when anything was around him (dog or human). He was so miserable. It took that entire two years to desensitize him enough so that he would eat while I was sitting 20 feet away. Outside, he would do nothing but shake. His quality of life was incredibly poor, despite my best efforts.
The third was a vibrant girl. She loved me. She loved dogs smaller than she was. But, all of her behavioral issues and triggers meant that it was almost impossible to keep her under threshold outside. She was a huge bite risk to other people, especially folks coming into the home (like a first responder in an emergency). And, this girl was euthanized because I had to consider the quality of life of potential adopters, along with her quality of life. I spent over two years working with her and making very little progress. I had to consider the ethics of adopting out a dog that was so difficult that a dog trainer had issues. And, after quite a few consultations with dog training friends and my vet, I euthanized her.
The last one broke me for fostering. It almost broke me for being a dog trainer. My own dogs in the time of the final foster suffered. I suffered. She suffered. We all suffered as I tried desperately to fix her. And, I failed. The guilt and self-blame were awful.
Thanks Trisha for this and the link to VetzInsight. I had to put down a foster who was aggressive just after Christmas 2014 and it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do. This helped me understand that, like a dog with a physical illness, he was suffering and that it was a kindness to end that suffering. Thank you.
Thank you! I take in fear aggressive rescues and have seen Nancy Williams in the past with these dogs. I did have to put one down that after 2 years of working with him when I tried to change his collar out he came at me and kept coming. It was like a kind of brain damage and the kindest thing I could do was end his pain. I miss him still and he lives in my heart always. But he is at peace now. Blessings.
This is such a difficult topic as I think there are many dogs that are euthenized for aggression that should not be and then there are those where it might just be best if they were. I agree with Harley in that some dogs can be worked with, but when you have a dog that has intent to do harm regardless of the circumstances then it is unlikley they will be able to be turned around or adequately managed . I LOVE dogs and I live with one who is reactive, and that in itself can be a challenges at times. I know that I would not be willing to take the risk of owning a dog with severe aggression issues. I would not want to put others in harms way, but selfishly, even more, I would not want to have someone else abuse, shoot, lock-up or harm the dog that I cared about. For me, it would be better to know that the dog was humanely euthanized.
The best part of all of this, is that I am becoming a dog trainer, who eventually would like to get into the behavior aspect of things, and I am almost a Certified Nose Work Instructor. I realized, that there are never enough outlets for people with dogs with issues, and so many people have NO IDEA what to do. If I can help one dog have a better life, than it is worth it!
This information is critical to all who foster or have dogs. I was a foster mom and have had many fosters over the years in addition to dogs of my own. I still work with rescue. Three fosters over the years were so aggressive that they were a danger to rehome in spite of training. It was the last one that was the worst.
I did not see overt signs of aggression during the month I fostered this dog. I did observe him trying to mount my male dog one time. My dog barked and moved away and that was the end of it but apparently not.
On another occasion when unobserved, there must have been an attempt to mount but there was a fight and the foster brutalized my dog with bites around the head and face. We had to put my dog down due to the extent of his injuries. The next morning we euthanized the foster dog. It was such a tragedy all around. The cost of this was nearly $2000. The foster was not aggressive to people that I had observed in my short time with him nor did he growl or snap at other dogs. He must have just quietly mounted and the fight would ensue.
He did have a bite to human history that was minimized by the relinquishing owner and in retrospect I wish I would have paid more attention to that.
I will never forget the mess my Max was or how innocent the foster dog seemed even though he was the aggressor. It was hell and I, to this day, cannot wipe the images from my mind. Aggression can have such terrible consequences and to have to live with that is forever. You really have to consider the greater good when making this terrible decision. I have great sympathy for those that must face this. 152ee80cbc
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