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hello

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and welcome to the culture quest we are

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but humble adventurers

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and today one of us closes one of the

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biggest cultural gaps

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um with me as always are Peter hello

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and Bario hello and i am Ynon

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thank you the listeners at home for

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taking part in our noble quest

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today's episode is going to be a very

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special episode we're celebrating the

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fact that peter

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has just finished reading the harry

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potter series i think it was around

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episode three that we found out that

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peter you haven't read the harry potter

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books

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and we kind of joked about that if one

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day you did get to read them

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we'll do a special episode about that

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that was a gap that

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honestly i didn't know if i'd ever feel

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because when i was recording that

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i felt like there's been an analogy i've

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heard before where

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when you're with harry potter fans it's

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like bucketing down with

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rain and you're soaked to the brim

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and the harry potter fans are like oh

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i can't even feel the rain like and

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that's what it is when people

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like continuously make more harry potter

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merchandise and stuff

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like just how much more could you

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possibly want

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and like these people like oh oh it was

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raining like

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didn't even notice like and everyone

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else is absolutely soaked

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but now i'm totally i've i've changed

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ship now um

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to combine all the analogies like i'm

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batting for the other team now yeah

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you're one of us now

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and i think we can safely call this like

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a major cultural gap taken care of like

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i don't know a lot of people who haven't

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read the books and most people really

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love them

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yeah it is a massive gap um so this is

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basically another one of our kind of

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lockdown bonus episodes

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and before we dive deep into how the

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experience was and all

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i wanted to quickly ask barrio about the

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books because i started reading the

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books

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as a kid because barrio you told me

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about it

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and i don't remember ever talking to you

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about it after we finished all the books

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so

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how do you like it i think i did i did

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like it i think it's

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one of those book series that you kind

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of carry around with you afterwards

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because you're really driven into that

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uh magical world but i don't know if

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it's

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because it's been uh probably more than

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10 years since then or uh 12 or 13 years

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yeah yeah

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so like i think today stuck i'm gonna

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probably act a lot more surprised than i

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should as someone who

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who's read all the books because i don't

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i don't entirely remember everything

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except that it's laviosa instead of your

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son

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[Laughter]

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harry potter's a weird has a weird fan

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base where you could read the books like

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three times through

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and still be considered like just a

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novice fan

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yeah i agree mario you have you read

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them as they came out

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or uh did you wait for everything to be

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out and then you read them i think

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um as they came out i think i i was

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in the fan base that actually waited for

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each book to come out

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yeah me too and you haven't reread them

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no

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oh you never reread yeah i only read

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them once

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i remember uh reading the sixth one

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and actually crying yeah like like you

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know with tears

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i mean yeah i was uh i was a teenager it

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came out when we were 16 or so yeah and

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and i remember thinking how

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how weird it is that a book made me cry

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all right so peter

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tell us when and why did you start

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reading the books like how did it all

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happen

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well um i'll tell you why i didn't read

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them that's probably the more

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interesting

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question um so they came out

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like not before my time the first book

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was 1997

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so i was zero then so obviously i

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couldn't read them when they came out

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but a lot of my friends instead of

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reading them when the books came out

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they

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read them when the movies came out so

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that was like it gave them just a few

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years more to sort of

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mature enough so they can one actually

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read it and two

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like sort of enjoy deathly hallows

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because if you're

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10 you're not going to enjoy the deathly

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hallows so probably not you sort of want

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to be more like 15 and 16 like

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more the age of harry ideally so a lot

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of my friends did that they

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they at least grew up with the movies

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rather than the books

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and i was never into sort of fiction

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fantasy like that like even even today

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like if i look at the last hundred books

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i've read 95 of them are

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non-fiction and not like non-fiction

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either and i sort of feel like

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when i read fiction books it's sort of

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time wasted like

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i could have learned something but

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instead i'm learning about stuff that's

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not occurring

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anywhere in the world so but um the

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lockdown episode came i think it might

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have been our

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one of our first ones but um you had

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recommended

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some things you didn't recommend harry

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potter originally but you just said

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as a standard boilerplate yeah i

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couldn't not mention

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it at all yeah um so obviously just it's

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just a standard thing you gotta chuck in

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there

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you gotta read harry potter and i was

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just nodding along i kind of thought i

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would read

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the first one and i didn't really plan

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on reading the second one

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i plan on reading the first one and just

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saying well

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one it's not a super long book the first

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one so it's not going to be like

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a lot of time wasted but two i kind of

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felt like wasting a bit of time because

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it was

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um like we're in lockdown at that point

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we didn't know how many months it would

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be

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yeah and um like this is a this is a

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long answer but

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basically in that one book i'm

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i've totally changed my opinion on

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fiction

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it was starting to change a little bit

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just before that because i was reading

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um

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hitchhiker's guide so i was getting into

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fiction a little bit more just

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around the edges so i think this is just

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the thing that's flipped the switch for

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me

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and now whereas i can't really say like

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time away from non-fiction is obviously

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you can't like convert that into

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knowledge about a specific field but i

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can understand why people

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get into fiction books and like get

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immersed in the world because even with

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hitchhiker's guide i never got immersed

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like i did in the philosopher's stone

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and um after i read the philosopher's

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stone or even halfway through the

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philosopher's stone

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i just knew i was gonna read all seven

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that was gonna be my quarantine legacy

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and um yeah it feels good actually like

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not many people have the privilege to

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actually read it for a first time when

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all the books are out

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and read them relatively quickly in

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succession

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yeah so in part it was your

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recommendation

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and in part it was just sort of the the

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priming that sort of some other fiction

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books like

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um 1984 and hitchhiker's guide was doing

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so it was just a good timing it was a

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well-timed recommendation

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i i was kind of jealous uh you know you

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kept

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updating us about how you were getting

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along and everything and i was kind of

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jealous of you and i wanted to go and

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reread the books or listen to the

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audiobooks

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and i asked you how long are the

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audiobooks like the whole series then

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you said something

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i thought was funny you said it's about

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one lockdown

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well it's true actually because i

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finished them this week

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and i'm going back to work

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full time at the office next week so

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um i can't remember how long into

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lockdown i

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started reading them but i can't imagine

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it would was more than a week into

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lockdown so it was about one lockdown

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for

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at least where i live yeah cool i i kind

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of want to go over a few

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key moments from the series so i chose a

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few that i was curious to know

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like what you felt or thought when you

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read them for the first time

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these are mostly about moments that have

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kind of a an

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impact on the main storyline of the

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series like less about the twist of a

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specific book or something

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cool the first one i'm interested in is

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from the first book

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uh harry potter and the philosopher's

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stone um you know it's a moment that

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we've actually mentioned before i think

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episode four or five i've asked you if

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like there were any major spoilers from

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from the books that you can't avoid um

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and if you remember you said that you

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can't really think of any but you've

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heard the line

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harry you're a wizard oh yes yes i've

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heard that one

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what a wizard harry and i knew and i

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knew

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um as soon as i started reading the book

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i knew hagrid said it

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so yeah so what do you think when you

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got to that point because like

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that's a moment that you know a whole

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new world is being revealed to harry

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it's also kind of a moment of hope it

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kind of signifies a change in his life

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and it happens like fairly early on like

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i think

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50 70 pages into the first book yeah so

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how did you how did you like that moment

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well before that moment i was

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i quite liked the book but at that point

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i still could have dropped it

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but the euro wizard harry went there on

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sort of like a deserted sort of island

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just got off the boat

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and he's counting down the minutes on

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dursley's wristwatch yep and

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hagrid bursts in um basically that was

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the point

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maybe not that point exactly but maybe

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after hagrid stands up to

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the dursleys and after they go to diagon

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alley and he starts getting his wand

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so much wizardry and wizard culture was

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sort of

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explained so well in such a short amount

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of time

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that was pretty much the chapter after

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that happened that was the point where i

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knew i was going to

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read the next six books i remember that

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even

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even then when i read it it really

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impressed me that

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jk rowling starts with everything really

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blick and gray you know the the muggle

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world is so

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you know nothing exciting and then

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literally when harry gets to the

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wizarding world world everything becomes

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colorful

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i remember that she also described it a

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lot more

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colorful and exotic and interesting and

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i think that's

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a good strategy to take you know you

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start you take it a long way to kind of

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establish

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the baseline so you'll appreciate

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more what's coming next i agree she

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doesn't start the book by

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telling you he's a wizard and she

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doesn't tell you he's a wizard

0:10:23.200,0:10:29.519

uh in the first 10 or 20 pages

0:10:26.320,0:10:30.880

it takes a while it takes a few chapters

0:10:29.519,0:10:33.040

and like she keeps you kind of

0:10:30.880,0:10:35.120

interested in what's going on

0:10:33.040,0:10:36.079

there are kind of weird things happening

0:10:35.120,0:10:38.800

around harry

0:10:36.079,0:10:39.600

but the moment you realize what's going

0:10:38.800,0:10:42.320

on the book

0:10:39.600,0:10:43.760

really it's like in uh the wizard of oz

0:10:42.320,0:10:45.680

when it goes from

0:10:43.760,0:10:47.200

black and white to color and like

0:10:45.680,0:10:48.720

everything opens up

0:10:47.200,0:10:50.720

at once yeah you know i never thought

0:10:48.720,0:10:51.360

about it being similar to the wizard of

0:10:50.720,0:10:53.279

oz but

0:10:51.360,0:10:56.640

yeah that's that's a great comparison it

0:10:53.279,0:10:59.920

even has wizard in the name so oh yeah

0:10:56.640,0:11:03.360

before the um your wizard harry saying

0:10:59.920,0:11:06.160

there's um a few scenes where um

0:11:03.360,0:11:08.320

like when harry goes to the zoo for

0:11:06.160,0:11:09.519

dudley's birthday very reluctantly from

0:11:08.320,0:11:11.440

aunt petunia

0:11:09.519,0:11:12.640

like even even when he's talking to a

0:11:11.440,0:11:14.640

snake in

0:11:12.640,0:11:17.200

parcel tongue but you don't know its

0:11:14.640,0:11:21.120

parcel tongue obviously until later

0:11:17.200,0:11:23.200

those were obviously big reveals

0:11:21.120,0:11:25.360

but you don't notice till after and this

0:11:23.200,0:11:26.800

happens a lot throughout the books

0:11:25.360,0:11:29.120

there's so many things that happen which

0:11:26.800,0:11:31.279

makes sense at a later time

0:11:29.120,0:11:33.519

and now i'm starting to reread the books

0:11:31.279,0:11:35.680

again like a little bit slower

0:11:33.519,0:11:36.800

and there's so much that you only

0:11:35.680,0:11:39.440

understand

0:11:36.800,0:11:40.399

many many pages later yeah she puts a

0:11:39.440,0:11:43.440

lot of information

0:11:40.399,0:11:44.560

in plain sight but she distracts you

0:11:43.440,0:11:47.440

from them

0:11:44.560,0:11:48.160

very beautifully i think so obviously in

0:11:47.440,0:11:50.240

the first book

0:11:48.160,0:11:51.440

uh there's the first kind of encounter

0:11:50.240,0:11:53.440

with um

0:11:51.440,0:11:55.040

voldemort and you know we will learn a

0:11:53.440,0:11:57.440

bit about the history of

0:11:55.040,0:11:59.360

the wizarding world and then in the

0:11:57.440,0:12:01.120

second book the chamber of secrets

0:11:59.360,0:12:03.040

i think i think the chamber of secrets

0:12:01.120,0:12:03.360

is kind of a more self-contained you

0:12:03.040,0:12:05.120

know

0:12:03.360,0:12:07.279

i don't think we learn a lot about the

0:12:05.120,0:12:09.279

main storyline of the series

0:12:07.279,0:12:11.120

there's definitely an adventure harry

0:12:09.279,0:12:13.519

learns that he's a partial mouth

0:12:11.120,0:12:14.639

and we meet tom riddle for the first

0:12:13.519,0:12:16.480

time but

0:12:14.639,0:12:17.920

you don't learn a lot about harry's

0:12:16.480,0:12:20.399

family in this book

0:12:17.920,0:12:21.519

um so let me ask you for a while there

0:12:20.399,0:12:23.200

in the second book

0:12:21.519,0:12:25.120

rowling is trying to get us to think

0:12:23.200,0:12:26.399

that hagrid is the one who opened the

0:12:25.120,0:12:29.360

chamber of secrets

0:12:26.399,0:12:30.480

um did you fall for it at all um yeah i

0:12:29.360,0:12:33.519

did actually

0:12:30.480,0:12:35.839

um when they said it at the start i

0:12:33.519,0:12:37.360

fully believe that hagrid did it just

0:12:35.839,0:12:39.040

because hagrid's not

0:12:37.360,0:12:40.800

he's not a person that doesn't make

0:12:39.040,0:12:43.760

mistakes so i thought

0:12:40.800,0:12:45.279

it's possible and i thought like since

0:12:43.760,0:12:48.079

um dumbledore sort of

0:12:45.279,0:12:50.079

let him stay i thought i thought if he

0:12:48.079,0:12:51.200

did something bad and dumbledore still

0:12:50.079,0:12:52.800

let him stay that

0:12:51.200,0:12:54.480

says something about dumbledore which

0:12:52.800,0:12:58.320

might sort of show him

0:12:54.480,0:13:01.120

that people are resilient or forgiving

0:12:58.320,0:13:01.839

um so yeah i i didn't really blink twice

0:13:01.120,0:13:06.079

at it but

0:13:01.839,0:13:09.440

um i feel like hagrid has a case for

0:13:06.079,0:13:10.000

being um re-enrolled from year three

0:13:09.440,0:13:13.040

onwards

0:13:10.000,0:13:14.800

yeah i kind of always wondered

0:13:13.040,0:13:17.200

what would happen if he would be allowed

0:13:14.800,0:13:18.639

to continue going to hogwarts you know

0:13:17.200,0:13:21.200

he's a funny character he's a weird

0:13:18.639,0:13:22.399

character but his heart is in the right

0:13:21.200,0:13:24.959

place so

0:13:22.399,0:13:26.800

i i always want to wanted to know what

0:13:24.959,0:13:27.680

it'd be like to have hagrid as a kind of

0:13:26.800,0:13:29.839

a full

0:13:27.680,0:13:31.200

adult wizard you know uh someone who's

0:13:29.839,0:13:33.920

graduated from hogwarts

0:13:31.200,0:13:34.399

yeah i i enjoyed the second book a lot

0:13:33.920,0:13:36.720

actually

0:13:34.399,0:13:37.839

i love in fiction books um of the few

0:13:36.720,0:13:40.000

i've read i like

0:13:37.839,0:13:42.160

the bread and butter you could say as in

0:13:40.000,0:13:44.880

like the hogwarts classes

0:13:42.160,0:13:47.360

the common room conversations the

0:13:44.880,0:13:49.760

getting owls in the great hall

0:13:47.360,0:13:51.199

and playing the quidditch matches i

0:13:49.760,0:13:53.279

really enjoy

0:13:51.199,0:13:54.959

that stuff which occurs a lot in number

0:13:53.279,0:13:57.360

one number two

0:13:54.959,0:13:59.040

and number three and a little bit a

0:13:57.360,0:14:00.800

little bit in number four

0:13:59.040,0:14:02.560

and also a little bit in six but not as

0:14:00.800,0:14:04.959

much but anyway um

0:14:02.560,0:14:06.000

yeah i really do like those scenes that

0:14:04.959,0:14:09.120

come around a lot

0:14:06.000,0:14:09.519

but sort of have a slow build up you

0:14:09.120,0:14:11.279

know

0:14:09.519,0:14:12.639

when they're going and talking within

0:14:11.279,0:14:15.440

classes and

0:14:12.639,0:14:16.480

and trying to work out their next move

0:14:15.440,0:14:20.000

with each other

0:14:16.480,0:14:22.959

i really enjoy the harry hermione and

0:14:20.000,0:14:24.320

ron interactions like throughout the

0:14:22.959,0:14:26.160

first three books a lot

0:14:24.320,0:14:27.360

because a lot of the time it's just in

0:14:26.160,0:14:30.000

class

0:14:27.360,0:14:31.680

and i really like hogwarts as a setting

0:14:30.000,0:14:33.360

to base all of this

0:14:31.680,0:14:35.760

and i feel like chamber of secrets

0:14:33.360,0:14:36.800

almost the best in terms of those scenes

0:14:35.760,0:14:39.120

because

0:14:36.800,0:14:41.360

it was still very primitive in terms of

0:14:39.120,0:14:43.279

the whole plot wasn't revealed yet like

0:14:41.360,0:14:45.600

it was in deathly hallows yeah

0:14:43.279,0:14:47.519

but um they still had the luxury of

0:14:45.600,0:14:49.440

having explained the castle

0:14:47.519,0:14:51.440

in the first book so they could sort of

0:14:49.440,0:14:52.320

build on it and develop a few more

0:14:51.440,0:14:54.079

characters

0:14:52.320,0:14:55.519

um at the school yeah like some of the

0:14:54.079,0:14:58.399

teachers some of the students yeah

0:14:55.519,0:14:59.920

in the first three books there's a lot a

0:14:58.399,0:15:01.920

lot of world building

0:14:59.920,0:15:03.040

and it's a lot of fun world builds you

0:15:01.920,0:15:06.320

know because it's

0:15:03.040,0:15:08.240

mostly kept to hogwarts and it's just a

0:15:06.320,0:15:08.880

magical fun place that everyone who goes

0:15:08.240,0:15:11.199

there

0:15:08.880,0:15:12.160

loves it but then in the fourth when

0:15:11.199,0:15:13.920

they go to

0:15:12.160,0:15:15.839

the quidditch world cup and everything

0:15:13.920,0:15:18.240

you know you have a much bigger world

0:15:15.839,0:15:20.079

to build because now you're not building

0:15:18.240,0:15:20.560

hogwarts you're building the wizarding

0:15:20.079,0:15:23.440

world

0:15:20.560,0:15:25.279

and that's that's a bigger task so in

0:15:23.440,0:15:28.160

the first three books it's just

0:15:25.279,0:15:28.800

a lot of charm which is a funny word to

0:15:28.160,0:15:32.240

use

0:15:28.800,0:15:33.839

so next up is the prisoner of azkaban

0:15:32.240,0:15:36.399

and a lot of this book is about the

0:15:33.839,0:15:38.560

story of james and lily potter's death

0:15:36.399,0:15:40.480

and also kind of their time in school in

0:15:38.560,0:15:42.320

hogwarts and throughout the book we made

0:15:40.480,0:15:45.920

james's friends which are lupin

0:15:42.320,0:15:47.759

sirius and peter and we hear about their

0:15:45.920,0:15:49.600

kind of friendships we'll learn that one

0:15:47.759,0:15:51.360

of them has turned to the dark side and

0:15:49.600,0:15:53.040

we're led to believe that it was serious

0:15:51.360,0:15:55.519

and we later found out that it's

0:15:53.040,0:15:56.480

peter who turned to the dark side um

0:15:55.519,0:15:58.480

what do you think about

0:15:56.480,0:16:00.000

the whole storyline there because like

0:15:58.480,0:16:02.720

we'll learn a lot about

0:16:00.000,0:16:03.360

um sirius which turns out to be kind of

0:16:02.720,0:16:05.440

a

0:16:03.360,0:16:07.040

major figure in harry's life we learn a

0:16:05.440,0:16:09.920

lot about peter which

0:16:07.040,0:16:10.480

plays a major role in helping voldemort

0:16:09.920,0:16:12.800

come back

0:16:10.480,0:16:13.519

so it's kind of a a big book i

0:16:12.800,0:16:17.040

absolutely

0:16:13.519,0:16:20.240

loved azkaban and um i thought

0:16:17.040,0:16:21.759

sirius as a villain was incredible even

0:16:20.240,0:16:24.800

though he wasn't the villain

0:16:21.759,0:16:26.639

but just the just the constant fear

0:16:24.800,0:16:27.839

when they're in the dormitories at night

0:16:26.639,0:16:29.279

and they're um

0:16:27.839,0:16:31.360

and they think they've had a like

0:16:29.279,0:16:33.680

serious black spotting and stuff

0:16:31.360,0:16:35.360

it felt a little bit like chamber of

0:16:33.680,0:16:36.240

secrets because chamber of secrets there

0:16:35.360,0:16:39.199

was sort of

0:16:36.240,0:16:41.519

victims of the heir of slytherin but

0:16:39.199,0:16:43.600

with azkaban it was like the lingering

0:16:41.519,0:16:46.800

threat of like sirius black

0:16:43.600,0:16:48.800

invading and killing people and um

0:16:46.800,0:16:50.880

they do a lot of world building again

0:16:48.800,0:16:53.839

going into his father's sort of

0:16:50.880,0:16:55.680

um friend group and stuff and his and i

0:16:53.839,0:16:58.720

think his father's friend group is so

0:16:55.680,0:17:01.519

interesting in azkaban onwards

0:16:58.720,0:17:02.240

like remus has some amazing scenes and

0:17:01.519,0:17:04.720

he plays

0:17:02.240,0:17:06.959

such an important part you know maybe

0:17:04.720,0:17:09.600

even as much as serious sometimes

0:17:06.959,0:17:11.280

serious i love as a character i i like

0:17:09.600,0:17:13.520

that they're not

0:17:11.280,0:17:14.720

calculating like mcgonagall a lot of the

0:17:13.520,0:17:17.039

time like um

0:17:14.720,0:17:18.559

i like that sirius just thinks you know

0:17:17.039,0:17:19.839

you got to stand up for your friends you

0:17:18.559,0:17:21.439

got to stick with them

0:17:19.839,0:17:24.000

you know you got to have some sort of

0:17:21.439,0:17:27.520

like sense of honour

0:17:24.000,0:17:28.160

and james we don't i feel like we don't

0:17:27.520,0:17:30.799

hear as much

0:17:28.160,0:17:32.000

about james in azkaban as obviously

0:17:30.799,0:17:34.799

sirius and lupine because

0:17:32.000,0:17:36.320

they're obviously still alive at that

0:17:34.799,0:17:38.880

point i thought azkaban was

0:17:36.320,0:17:39.520

maybe one of the most complete the only

0:17:38.880,0:17:41.360

thing is

0:17:39.520,0:17:43.120

azkaban was the first one without a

0:17:41.360,0:17:45.840

final battle in my mind

0:17:43.120,0:17:47.760

exactly which originally i actually sort

0:17:45.840,0:17:49.360

of critiqued the book a little bit when

0:17:47.760,0:17:50.720

i mean critiqued i mean it went from an

0:17:49.360,0:17:54.400

a plus to an a

0:17:50.720,0:17:56.480

um but now i don't feel like

0:17:54.400,0:17:58.000

that weighs on me as much like looking

0:17:56.480,0:18:00.720

at the book as a whole

0:17:58.000,0:18:01.600

um i think it might be one of my

0:18:00.720,0:18:03.360

favorites so

0:18:01.600,0:18:05.120

i think she did a wonderful job like

0:18:03.360,0:18:07.039

building the whole thing because

0:18:05.120,0:18:09.280

throughout the book you learned that

0:18:07.039,0:18:12.559

what the part of sirius was

0:18:09.280,0:18:15.679

in harry's past and um it gets to

0:18:12.559,0:18:16.080

a peak i think when harry eavesdrops on

0:18:15.679,0:18:18.160

the

0:18:16.080,0:18:20.320

the minister of magic and the teachers

0:18:18.160,0:18:22.720

and he finds out that

0:18:20.320,0:18:23.919

sirius was actually a good friend of his

0:18:22.720,0:18:27.039

parents and he thinks

0:18:23.919,0:18:29.919

that he he helped murder them and

0:18:27.039,0:18:30.960

you're angry alongside with harry and

0:18:29.919,0:18:32.960

then

0:18:30.960,0:18:34.720

everything is flipped like you learned

0:18:32.960,0:18:36.480

that everything is

0:18:34.720,0:18:38.559

the exact opposite of what you thought

0:18:36.480,0:18:41.679

and series is actually

0:18:38.559,0:18:42.480

one of the coolest most loved characters

0:18:41.679,0:18:45.280

in the book

0:18:42.480,0:18:45.840

in the series even and like throughout

0:18:45.280,0:18:48.080

the book

0:18:45.840,0:18:49.679

there's a few things that sirius does

0:18:48.080,0:18:52.640

you know before we meet him

0:18:49.679,0:18:54.240

like sirius makes mistakes like when he

0:18:52.640,0:18:57.360

gets into their dormitories

0:18:54.240,0:18:59.360

and he accidentally attacks ron's bed

0:18:57.360,0:19:01.200

instead of harry's and every once in a

0:18:59.360,0:19:03.200

while you hear the characters kind of

0:19:01.200,0:19:04.559

talk about how it doesn't make sense

0:19:03.200,0:19:06.480

like if he

0:19:04.559,0:19:08.240

kind of made a mistake and accidentally

0:19:06.480,0:19:10.880

attacked ron instead of harry

0:19:08.240,0:19:12.000

why not just kill ron and then move on

0:19:10.880,0:19:13.520

to harry

0:19:12.000,0:19:15.520

later you find out that all of these

0:19:13.520,0:19:17.600

mistakes that didn't make sense

0:19:15.520,0:19:19.919

weren't mistakes he wasn't after harry

0:19:17.600,0:19:20.160

at all i think i loved the way she built

0:19:19.919,0:19:22.080

it

0:19:20.160,0:19:24.240

and like this is a book that i really

0:19:22.080,0:19:24.960

enjoy reading again because you can see

0:19:24.240,0:19:27.919

all the little

0:19:24.960,0:19:28.720

details kind of build up um let's move

0:19:27.919,0:19:31.840

on to the

0:19:28.720,0:19:33.520

fourth book um the goblet of fire i kind

0:19:31.840,0:19:35.200

of i always felt that this book

0:19:33.520,0:19:36.240

separates kind of the two halves of the

0:19:35.200,0:19:37.679

series because

0:19:36.240,0:19:38.880

the first three books are the ones in

0:19:37.679,0:19:40.480

which we'll learn about the history and

0:19:38.880,0:19:42.480

get to know the wizarding world

0:19:40.480,0:19:44.240

kind of get introduced to it and the

0:19:42.480,0:19:45.520

adventures in these books are kept

0:19:44.240,0:19:48.160

inside of hogwarts

0:19:45.520,0:19:49.039

and the later books are darker more

0:19:48.160,0:19:51.760

serious

0:19:49.039,0:19:53.120

um and in these the later books the

0:19:51.760,0:19:55.360

situation keeps getting

0:19:53.120,0:19:56.559

worse and worse um throughout the

0:19:55.360,0:19:58.720

wizarding world

0:19:56.559,0:19:59.760

so the fourth book ends with the return

0:19:58.720,0:20:01.600

of voldemort

0:19:59.760,0:20:03.919

um a point after which everything

0:20:01.600,0:20:06.880

changes how do you like that part

0:20:03.919,0:20:07.600

uh so that part scared the hell out of

0:20:06.880,0:20:11.200

me

0:20:07.600,0:20:12.640

i i knew there was later books but i

0:20:11.200,0:20:16.080

just thought

0:20:12.640,0:20:19.840

like the permanency of cedric's death

0:20:16.080,0:20:22.320

and just the the first time he has the

0:20:19.840,0:20:25.039

cruciatus curse used on him

0:20:22.320,0:20:26.000

just all the death eaters the scary

0:20:25.039,0:20:29.120

scene where

0:20:26.000,0:20:31.840

pettigrew is sort of re-configuring

0:20:29.120,0:20:32.720

voldemort out of the cauldron it was

0:20:31.840,0:20:35.840

hard to

0:20:32.720,0:20:36.480

hard to read to be honest and um up

0:20:35.840,0:20:38.960

until

0:20:36.480,0:20:40.159

um the tri-wizard tournament goblet of

0:20:38.960,0:20:42.159

fire was like

0:20:40.159,0:20:43.600

i i loved the hogwarts scenes i missed

0:20:42.159,0:20:45.200

quidditch but

0:20:43.600,0:20:46.640

i thought they needed to change

0:20:45.200,0:20:48.000

something up and the tri-wizard

0:20:46.640,0:20:51.039

tournament was cool yeah

0:20:48.000,0:20:52.240

and um it was really good and even

0:20:51.039,0:20:54.320

throughout the

0:20:52.240,0:20:55.840

um the tri-wizard tournament i liked it

0:20:54.320,0:20:58.000

even through the maze

0:20:55.840,0:21:00.320

and then i feel like everything just

0:20:58.000,0:21:03.039

just turned upside down when it came to

0:21:00.320,0:21:04.080

those scenes with harry and voldemort

0:21:03.039,0:21:06.880

and i felt

0:21:04.080,0:21:07.919

like i i did really feel a little bit

0:21:06.880,0:21:10.159

cold

0:21:07.919,0:21:11.200

um when i got to those scenes especially

0:21:10.159,0:21:14.000

after

0:21:11.200,0:21:15.200

because he didn't defeat voldemort this

0:21:14.000,0:21:19.039

time he only

0:21:15.200,0:21:20.640

survived and um it was just

0:21:19.039,0:21:22.080

it was hard because i was thinking about

0:21:20.640,0:21:24.240

the next book i'm like oh no

0:21:22.080,0:21:25.440

next book is gonna be grave you know

0:21:24.240,0:21:28.080

like even though

0:21:25.440,0:21:28.640

like reading is reading like it if it's

0:21:28.080,0:21:30.799

grave

0:21:28.640,0:21:31.760

i'm gonna read on like i did honestly

0:21:30.799,0:21:35.840

feel

0:21:31.760,0:21:37.600

like loss and it was hard actually i

0:21:35.840,0:21:39.360

if you asked me at the time i would have

0:21:37.600,0:21:41.679

said like i didn't enjoy it

0:21:39.360,0:21:42.960

like at that point i just i just didn't

0:21:41.679,0:21:45.600

really feel good

0:21:42.960,0:21:46.799

but looking back on it that's exactly

0:21:45.600,0:21:49.280

sort of how

0:21:46.799,0:21:50.400

you're meant to feel um after the goblet

0:21:49.280,0:21:52.400

of fire had to happen

0:21:50.400,0:21:54.000

and um that even leaked in a little bit

0:21:52.400,0:21:55.679

to the order of the phoenix the first

0:21:54.000,0:21:57.760

few chapters first nine or

0:21:55.679,0:21:59.039

ten chapters in order of the phoenix

0:21:57.760,0:22:02.480

that was a long book

0:21:59.039,0:22:05.120

um i actually felt like really

0:22:02.480,0:22:06.720

not rage but i felt a lot of anger

0:22:05.120,0:22:07.840

because harry went through so much and

0:22:06.720,0:22:09.120

goblet of fire

0:22:07.840,0:22:11.200

and he was sort of having all these

0:22:09.120,0:22:12.880

details withheld i actually really felt

0:22:11.200,0:22:13.760

sort of angry and frustrated at these

0:22:12.880,0:22:15.520

characters like

0:22:13.760,0:22:17.840

i was sort of hoping like harry would

0:22:15.520,0:22:20.559

just just do something to really

0:22:17.840,0:22:21.840

like show um people that they need him

0:22:20.559,0:22:23.520

like i was just thinking

0:22:21.840,0:22:25.679

i don't know he should just do something

0:22:23.520,0:22:26.640

that and gobble the fire was sort of

0:22:25.679,0:22:29.039

like

0:22:26.640,0:22:29.760

um fired me up actually like i never

0:22:29.039,0:22:31.760

felt like

0:22:29.760,0:22:33.039

any sort of anger or anything like that

0:22:31.760,0:22:35.840

in the first three books

0:22:33.039,0:22:37.600

only like curiosity and fear and stuff

0:22:35.840,0:22:39.200

but goblet of fire was actually like

0:22:37.600,0:22:41.679

getting a little bit like

0:22:39.200,0:22:42.480

fired up about it i think what i really

0:22:41.679,0:22:44.559

like about the

0:22:42.480,0:22:46.720

goblet of fire is that in the first

0:22:44.559,0:22:48.400

three ones the book builds up to kind of

0:22:46.720,0:22:50.880

an adventure and you get details

0:22:48.400,0:22:53.200

peppered in throughout the book and you

0:22:50.880,0:22:54.720

know that something is going to happen

0:22:53.200,0:22:56.320

because it builds up to it but you don't

0:22:54.720,0:22:59.039

know exactly

0:22:56.320,0:22:59.919

what is going to happen or where or when

0:22:59.039,0:23:02.720

or what

0:22:59.919,0:23:04.640

but in the fourth one the first chapter

0:23:02.720,0:23:05.039

we see voldemort and wormtail and

0:23:04.640,0:23:06.559

there's

0:23:05.039,0:23:08.320

plotting you know you know that

0:23:06.559,0:23:11.520

something is going to happen

0:23:08.320,0:23:14.159

and then kind of after that you just

0:23:11.520,0:23:14.960

enjoy the triwizard tournament and and

0:23:14.159,0:23:17.200

the whole thing

0:23:14.960,0:23:19.360

and then suddenly uh harry is

0:23:17.200,0:23:20.240

transported to voldemort's parents house

0:23:19.360,0:23:22.720

or whatever it is

0:23:20.240,0:23:24.400

and everything goes to shit yeah i

0:23:22.720,0:23:26.720

actually really enjoyed the tri-wizard

0:23:24.400,0:23:28.320

tournament as well i it feels weird but

0:23:26.720,0:23:30.240

i really like the happy scenes where

0:23:28.320,0:23:33.600

there's not too much conflict

0:23:30.240,0:23:37.039

and um i have this sort of anxiety

0:23:33.600,0:23:40.159

anxiousness when things are left

0:23:37.039,0:23:41.520

unresolved or like things are worse off

0:23:40.159,0:23:44.000

or people are worse off

0:23:41.520,0:23:45.520

and i started to feel that in goblet of

0:23:44.000,0:23:47.120

fire first time i felt that

0:23:45.520,0:23:48.720

you know i feel like they've lost an

0:23:47.120,0:23:50.720

edge or something like that you know

0:23:48.720,0:23:54.080

there's a long stretch in this book

0:23:50.720,0:23:56.240

where harry and ron aren't talking and i

0:23:54.080,0:23:57.600

i remember i felt yeah it was tough i

0:23:56.240,0:23:59.039

felt like stressed

0:23:57.600,0:24:01.360

when i was reading that i actually

0:23:59.039,0:24:04.320

forgot about that briefly that's why

0:24:01.360,0:24:06.240

that's why i admitted it um i remember

0:24:04.320,0:24:09.039

that now you said it and that

0:24:06.240,0:24:10.720

that made me feel anxious even when ron

0:24:09.039,0:24:13.840

and hermione do that sometimes

0:24:10.720,0:24:15.440

um i feel like really just sort of

0:24:13.840,0:24:18.000

maybe anxious isn't the right word but

0:24:15.440,0:24:20.400

unsettled yeah i agree

0:24:18.000,0:24:21.520

um so in the fifth book the order of the

0:24:20.400,0:24:23.120

phoenix

0:24:21.520,0:24:25.679

we see how the situation in the

0:24:23.120,0:24:27.440

wizarding world is worsening

0:24:25.679,0:24:29.520

like not everyone is willing to accept

0:24:27.440,0:24:31.039

that voldemort is back and

0:24:29.520,0:24:33.120

i think that the biggest thing in this

0:24:31.039,0:24:36.559

book uh you know near the end

0:24:33.120,0:24:38.240

is the loss of series black um

0:24:36.559,0:24:40.480

how'd you feel when that happened i

0:24:38.240,0:24:43.520

didn't believe it when it happened

0:24:40.480,0:24:46.640

but then in a few sentences there

0:24:43.520,0:24:48.640

it was just clear like remus just um

0:24:46.640,0:24:51.120

settled harry down and said he's gone

0:24:48.640,0:24:54.400

like didn't even look for the body

0:24:51.120,0:24:57.760

and that was tough that was a tough loss

0:24:54.400,0:24:58.320

like probably as much as um cedric

0:24:57.760,0:25:00.000

because

0:24:58.320,0:25:02.080

harry like this was almost like a

0:25:00.000,0:25:03.840

surrogate father for

0:25:02.080,0:25:05.440

yeah that was that was really tough

0:25:03.840,0:25:07.279

actually and this whole book

0:25:05.440,0:25:08.960

was tough actually like as i said the

0:25:07.279,0:25:12.320

first nine or ten chapters

0:25:08.960,0:25:14.880

i just felt incredibly um

0:25:12.320,0:25:16.000

like i wanted harry to lash out yeah i

0:25:14.880,0:25:18.559

wanted him to like un

0:25:16.000,0:25:20.000

unleash some of the anger that he had it

0:25:18.559,0:25:21.679

was a tough book do you feel like

0:25:20.000,0:25:23.120

everything was working against him it

0:25:21.679,0:25:24.159

did feel like everything was working

0:25:23.120,0:25:27.600

against him

0:25:24.159,0:25:30.640

this was perhaps one of my favorite

0:25:27.600,0:25:33.679

sort of ending chapters to end this book

0:25:30.640,0:25:37.200

with harry and

0:25:33.679,0:25:39.520

neville luna hermione ron

0:25:37.200,0:25:40.559

all sort of battling the death eaters

0:25:39.520,0:25:42.720

separately

0:25:40.559,0:25:44.720

and waiting for some of the members of

0:25:42.720,0:25:46.480

the order of the phoenix to come

0:25:44.720,0:25:49.200

that was one of my favorites because

0:25:46.480,0:25:51.120

that was bringing neville and luna along

0:25:49.200,0:25:53.440

really added to it i thought like it

0:25:51.120,0:25:56.559

showed neville was just so

0:25:53.440,0:25:57.600

loyal and luna was is so like she has

0:25:56.559,0:26:00.640

this like

0:25:57.600,0:26:02.799

um prescient sort of quality about her

0:26:00.640,0:26:03.840

you know like um she's just operating on

0:26:02.799,0:26:06.880

different like

0:26:03.840,0:26:08.480

psychological um ground that everyone

0:26:06.880,0:26:09.039

else is you know she just doesn't feel

0:26:08.480,0:26:11.679

the

0:26:09.039,0:26:13.360

pressure that the others do and she says

0:26:11.679,0:26:16.480

some very insightful things

0:26:13.360,0:26:19.600

i enjoyed this book as a whole and it is

0:26:16.480,0:26:20.960

a very long one and it's hard to sort of

0:26:19.600,0:26:22.799

think about it all together whereas

0:26:20.960,0:26:24.240

philosopher's stone you can sort of map

0:26:22.799,0:26:26.240

out the chapters in your head yeah

0:26:24.240,0:26:27.279

um the order of the phoenix goes through

0:26:26.240,0:26:30.320

so many

0:26:27.279,0:26:32.640

changes it's hard to kind of

0:26:30.320,0:26:34.400

um think about it all but in in this

0:26:32.640,0:26:35.760

book i really enjoyed one the final few

0:26:34.400,0:26:38.240

chapters and also the

0:26:35.760,0:26:39.840

chapters in 12 grim old place i like

0:26:38.240,0:26:42.559

criminal place it was

0:26:39.840,0:26:43.039

it was weird because it was like um just

0:26:42.559,0:26:44.640

the whole

0:26:43.039,0:26:46.960

operation where they were cleaning it

0:26:44.640,0:26:47.360

out really added to the story i thought

0:26:46.960,0:26:49.360

because

0:26:47.360,0:26:51.039

they could have just said oh this is the

0:26:49.360,0:26:52.080

safe house it's all clean and ready

0:26:51.039,0:26:54.480

there's a

0:26:52.080,0:26:55.760

you know there's a tv over there and the

0:26:54.480,0:26:57.760

the cupboards are full

0:26:55.760,0:26:59.679

but instead they gave them an old house

0:26:57.760,0:27:01.840

which used to belong to people who hated

0:26:59.679,0:27:04.320

mudbloods and half bloods even

0:27:01.840,0:27:06.240

and it was all dirty and the house elf

0:27:04.320,0:27:08.240

hated them it put you a little bit on

0:27:06.240,0:27:11.120

edge but at the same time everywhere

0:27:08.240,0:27:12.400

outside was more dangerous so it was a

0:27:11.120,0:27:14.880

weird source of comfort

0:27:12.400,0:27:16.240

so um i really loved that place i had so

0:27:14.880,0:27:18.080

much personality yeah

0:27:16.240,0:27:20.080

and now i'm thinking about it they

0:27:18.080,0:27:20.640

didn't really put as much personality

0:27:20.080,0:27:22.880

into

0:27:20.640,0:27:24.559

the burrow or for privet drive than they

0:27:22.880,0:27:26.000

did in grim old place scrimmage place

0:27:24.559,0:27:28.640

they really flush out

0:27:26.000,0:27:30.480

i think my biggest problem with the the

0:27:28.640,0:27:32.960

order of the phoenix the fifth book

0:27:30.480,0:27:34.799

is that kind of they tricked harry and

0:27:32.960,0:27:38.399

his friends to come to the ministry

0:27:34.799,0:27:38.720

and there was nothing to do there really

0:27:38.399,0:27:41.520

and

0:27:38.720,0:27:41.919

yeah i think that the loss of serious

0:27:41.520,0:27:44.000

black

0:27:41.919,0:27:45.440

kind of feels empty because there was no

0:27:44.000,0:27:48.000

reason for them to be there

0:27:45.440,0:27:48.720

like if they keep their cool for a while

0:27:48.000,0:27:51.679

seriously

0:27:48.720,0:27:53.360

saved it did feel like harry in the

0:27:51.679,0:27:56.240

order of the phoenix was sort of

0:27:53.360,0:27:57.120

um he was subject to the whims of others

0:27:56.240,0:27:59.279

you know he

0:27:57.120,0:28:00.559

he didn't really have an impact on his

0:27:59.279,0:28:03.200

own fate

0:28:00.559,0:28:05.679

until the very end he just he just had

0:28:03.200,0:28:08.559

so little information to go on

0:28:05.679,0:28:09.679

he spent most of the book catching up to

0:28:08.559,0:28:11.360

everyone else like

0:28:09.679,0:28:13.520

catching up to ron and hermione's

0:28:11.360,0:28:16.000

knowledge catching up to what the order

0:28:13.520,0:28:17.760

knew catching up to what dumbledore knew

0:28:16.000,0:28:20.080

it felt like he was constantly behind

0:28:17.760,0:28:22.159

the eight ball and it does make you feel

0:28:20.080,0:28:23.520

frustrated as a reader because i could

0:28:22.159,0:28:24.880

have just entrusted him with more

0:28:23.520,0:28:27.919

information but

0:28:24.880,0:28:30.399

they didn't so it was frustrating it's

0:28:27.919,0:28:32.399

like an angst to it when you're reading

0:28:30.399,0:28:34.880

it and i felt that and

0:28:32.399,0:28:37.440

um because of that i can't i can't say

0:28:34.880,0:28:39.919

it's one of my favorites of the series

0:28:37.440,0:28:40.720

yet i wouldn't want them to write it so

0:28:39.919,0:28:43.279

it's all

0:28:40.720,0:28:44.000

rainbows you know it needed to be like

0:28:43.279,0:28:46.159

that so

0:28:44.000,0:28:47.520

oh i agree yeah that's kind of like what

0:28:46.159,0:28:49.679

the fourth book

0:28:47.520,0:28:50.799

starts and and definitely the fifth one

0:28:49.679,0:28:53.360

continues right yeah

0:28:50.799,0:28:55.120

yeah like i if i remember correctly uh

0:28:53.360,0:28:55.919

you know the second book the chamber of

0:28:55.120,0:28:58.960

secrets

0:28:55.919,0:29:01.760

there's um the basilisk

0:28:58.960,0:29:03.120

that supposedly kill on sight but

0:29:01.760,0:29:05.520

luckily no one ever

0:29:03.120,0:29:07.279

had direct eye contact with it so

0:29:05.520,0:29:09.760

everyone just freezes at the

0:29:07.279,0:29:10.720

end of the book everyone just unfreezes

0:29:09.760,0:29:14.000

and everything is

0:29:10.720,0:29:14.640

pitchy and in the fourth one like when a

0:29:14.000,0:29:16.720

set

0:29:14.640,0:29:17.919

dies that that kind of like takes the

0:29:16.720,0:29:20.880

whole series into

0:29:17.919,0:29:22.720

into a dark turn yeah a line is crossed

0:29:20.880,0:29:24.880

yeah where in each book

0:29:22.720,0:29:26.960

a character at least one character must

0:29:24.880,0:29:28.000

die but correct me if i'm wrong in the

0:29:26.960,0:29:31.039

fifth book

0:29:28.000,0:29:33.440

they also find the prophecy right yeah

0:29:31.039,0:29:35.360

yeah exactly that's a big reveal yeah

0:29:33.440,0:29:36.880

and and that's kind of like a big build

0:29:35.360,0:29:39.600

up towards the end

0:29:36.880,0:29:40.000

yeah it becomes useful in the sixth and

0:29:39.600,0:29:42.399

seventh

0:29:40.000,0:29:43.520

book definitely um also we can't we

0:29:42.399,0:29:45.440

can't skip over

0:29:43.520,0:29:47.360

um order of the phoenix without talking

0:29:45.440,0:29:49.279

about the da meetings and also the

0:29:47.360,0:29:52.559

educational decrees

0:29:49.279,0:29:53.520

like hogwarts was never a battle zone

0:29:52.559,0:29:55.440

like it was

0:29:53.520,0:29:57.120

in order of the phoenix well up until

0:29:55.440,0:29:58.799

order of the phoenix i should say and

0:29:57.120,0:29:59.520

let's see him in a literal battle zone

0:29:58.799,0:30:02.480

in that yeah

0:29:59.520,0:30:04.000

um episode seven in the book yeah but

0:30:02.480,0:30:07.120

hogwarts is always sort of

0:30:04.000,0:30:09.440

a safe zone you know um

0:30:07.120,0:30:11.360

yeah yeah chamber of secrets there was

0:30:09.440,0:30:12.960

parts where it wasn't obviously safe

0:30:11.360,0:30:14.559

and philosopher's stone it was just the

0:30:12.960,0:30:16.640

one room really

0:30:14.559,0:30:18.799

and azkaban sort of happened away from

0:30:16.640,0:30:20.960

the castle most of the time

0:30:18.799,0:30:22.559

but and goblet of fire wasn't wasn't

0:30:20.960,0:30:24.240

even at hogwarts at all

0:30:22.559,0:30:26.240

so all of the phoenix was weird where

0:30:24.240,0:30:29.279

the ministry was sort of the enemy

0:30:26.240,0:30:30.720

for a lot of the book and it felt like

0:30:29.279,0:30:31.919

hogwarts was being destroyed from the

0:30:30.720,0:30:33.760

inside out

0:30:31.919,0:30:35.039

and after all those chat because it was

0:30:33.760,0:30:37.200

such a long

0:30:35.039,0:30:38.399

amount of time before he got to hogwarts

0:30:37.200,0:30:40.000

because usually

0:30:38.399,0:30:42.799

they're spending in private drive where

0:30:40.000,0:30:44.640

it's not as much or in the borough

0:30:42.799,0:30:45.919

where they're sort of just it's just a

0:30:44.640,0:30:48.240

week in the borough then they go to

0:30:45.919,0:30:49.919

diagon alley get their books and then

0:30:48.240,0:30:51.919

and then they're there but this for

0:30:49.919,0:30:53.440

order of the phoenix it's spent so long

0:30:51.919,0:30:54.720

in angst of

0:30:53.440,0:30:57.600

thinking like whether they're going to

0:30:54.720,0:31:00.320

get to go and then then when they do go

0:30:57.600,0:31:01.440

it starts falling apart and it was

0:31:00.320,0:31:04.399

really good and i

0:31:01.440,0:31:05.360

loved the da meetings i thought um i

0:31:04.399,0:31:07.440

thought that was

0:31:05.360,0:31:09.519

incredible like that was that was one of

0:31:07.440,0:31:10.720

my favorite parts the da meetings

0:31:09.519,0:31:12.000

totally agree

0:31:10.720,0:31:13.840

they're taking their faith in their

0:31:12.000,0:31:15.519

hands and they're doing something

0:31:13.840,0:31:17.279

they're not sitting and waiting for

0:31:15.519,0:31:19.120

everything to collapse around them i

0:31:17.279,0:31:21.919

really like that

0:31:19.120,0:31:22.799

um in the sixth book the half blood

0:31:21.919,0:31:25.039

prince

0:31:22.799,0:31:26.960

we'll learn a lot about the um possibly

0:31:25.039,0:31:28.960

dark past of dumbledore

0:31:26.960,0:31:30.080

and the past of tom riddle there are

0:31:28.960,0:31:32.080

quite a few kind of

0:31:30.080,0:31:33.919

flashback scenes that take us back in

0:31:32.080,0:31:37.039

time they let us

0:31:33.919,0:31:38.960

and harry kind of learn what needs to be

0:31:37.039,0:31:39.360

done to be able to beat voldemort for

0:31:38.960,0:31:40.720

good

0:31:39.360,0:31:42.240

i remember it is one of the most

0:31:40.720,0:31:43.360

interesting points in the series peter

0:31:42.240,0:31:45.600

what do you think about the

0:31:43.360,0:31:46.960

the flashbacks kind of about the what

0:31:45.600,0:31:49.760

we'll learn well funny you say

0:31:46.960,0:31:50.960

because the the pensive adventures were

0:31:49.760,0:31:53.519

my favorite part

0:31:50.960,0:31:54.880

of half blood prince by far i can't

0:31:53.519,0:31:56.640

remember how many chapters there were

0:31:54.880,0:31:58.720

but when they did it they spent almost

0:31:56.640,0:32:02.080

the whole chapter in the flashback

0:31:58.720,0:32:04.799

so they weren't like 15 second scenes

0:32:02.080,0:32:05.600

and oh what did you think what are we

0:32:04.799,0:32:08.080

going to say

0:32:05.600,0:32:09.760

and i was skeptical when they when um

0:32:08.080,0:32:10.799

they started them i was thinking oh is

0:32:09.760,0:32:13.200

this going to be

0:32:10.799,0:32:14.399

a weird side plot but it was it was the

0:32:13.200,0:32:17.679

main plot

0:32:14.399,0:32:20.960

and um oh it was it was really good

0:32:17.679,0:32:22.880

so detailed and i just loved sort of

0:32:20.960,0:32:23.600

forgetting i was in the pensive and just

0:32:22.880,0:32:25.440

sort of

0:32:23.600,0:32:26.960

listening to it and then realizing i'm

0:32:25.440,0:32:28.320

in the pensive trying to figure out the

0:32:26.960,0:32:31.919

lessons

0:32:28.320,0:32:33.120

and um yeah i thought going into his

0:32:31.919,0:32:34.880

backstory

0:32:33.120,0:32:36.399

was such a like i knew we were sort of

0:32:34.880,0:32:38.880

getting to the end of the books

0:32:36.399,0:32:41.279

and i thought going into his backstory

0:32:38.880,0:32:44.159

such a better way than just sort of

0:32:41.279,0:32:45.840

using brute force or being a bit better

0:32:44.159,0:32:48.480

wizard or something like that

0:32:45.840,0:32:48.960

like exploring what makes him vulnerable

0:32:48.480,0:32:52.320

and

0:32:48.960,0:32:52.799

the horcruxes it was just it was just

0:32:52.320,0:32:55.360

pure

0:32:52.799,0:32:56.559

bliss reading it and the half half-blood

0:32:55.360,0:32:58.240

prince takes

0:32:56.559,0:33:00.000

a little bit of a break from the

0:32:58.240,0:33:02.399

impending doom i thought

0:33:00.000,0:33:04.000

that was present in order of the phoenix

0:33:02.399,0:33:05.120

i think it's because suddenly the the

0:33:04.000,0:33:08.240

wizarding world

0:33:05.120,0:33:10.399

accepts that voldemort is yeah back and

0:33:08.240,0:33:12.080

kind of takes perry's side so there was

0:33:10.399,0:33:13.919

sort of like a weight on my shoulders

0:33:12.080,0:33:15.679

from the last two books goblet of fire

0:33:13.919,0:33:17.360

and the order of the phoenix where just

0:33:15.679,0:33:19.039

harry felt like he was in this

0:33:17.360,0:33:21.679

unwinnable position

0:33:19.039,0:33:23.200

half blood prince gave me back a feeling

0:33:21.679,0:33:26.399

of hope again

0:33:23.200,0:33:28.399

and um yeah i just i loved it i

0:33:26.399,0:33:29.760

absolutely loved it the only thing i'll

0:33:28.399,0:33:32.880

say is that

0:33:29.760,0:33:34.000

i didn't really appreciate the half

0:33:32.880,0:33:36.399

blood prince

0:33:34.000,0:33:38.840

sort of the reveal that that snape was

0:33:36.399,0:33:42.080

the half broad prince i don't think i

0:33:38.840,0:33:44.080

appreciated that as much as i could have

0:33:42.080,0:33:45.679

and i think when i go back and reread it

0:33:44.080,0:33:48.000

i think i'll enjoy it much more

0:33:45.679,0:33:49.840

maybe yeah obviously the sixth book ends

0:33:48.000,0:33:52.480

with dumbledore's death

0:33:49.840,0:33:52.880

how do you feel when that happened oh

0:33:52.480,0:33:54.799

that

0:33:52.880,0:33:57.039

i i didn't think it was real i didn't

0:33:54.799,0:33:59.039

think it was real i'll say we're serious

0:33:57.039,0:34:01.120

i for a second i didn't think it was

0:33:59.039,0:34:04.480

real um but i sort of knew

0:34:01.120,0:34:07.039

after lupin pulled him aside in sorry in

0:34:04.480,0:34:07.600

half-blood prince when um dumbledore

0:34:07.039,0:34:10.800

dies

0:34:07.600,0:34:11.760

i i just said no he's he's like he's

0:34:10.800,0:34:13.520

faked his death

0:34:11.760,0:34:15.520

and he always he did fake his death

0:34:13.520,0:34:18.839

actually but it was still a death

0:34:15.520,0:34:20.560

just the way it was done it was fake and

0:34:18.839,0:34:23.200

um

0:34:20.560,0:34:23.919

uh it that was i remember not being able

0:34:23.200,0:34:25.520

to accept it

0:34:23.919,0:34:27.280

i i wasn't able to accept it as well

0:34:25.520,0:34:29.359

because they were in the hospital ward

0:34:27.280,0:34:32.000

and someone says like oh you better tell

0:34:29.359,0:34:35.040

dumbledore and he's just like

0:34:32.000,0:34:37.919

can't he's not here like that's it like

0:34:35.040,0:34:39.280

can't say anything oh that was tough

0:34:37.919,0:34:42.480

that was really tough

0:34:39.280,0:34:44.159

um yeah not the hardest one to deal with

0:34:42.480,0:34:46.639

in the series but up until that point

0:34:44.159,0:34:47.200

it was especially those last few

0:34:46.639,0:34:50.399

chapters

0:34:47.200,0:34:52.720

when they went to get the locket and

0:34:50.399,0:34:53.440

and dumbledore was drinking all the sort

0:34:52.720,0:34:55.599

of the

0:34:53.440,0:34:56.560

liquid in the thing whatever it all felt

0:34:55.599,0:34:58.320

like a dream

0:34:56.560,0:34:59.760

kind of didn't feel like it felt like a

0:34:58.320,0:35:01.839

dream and also when

0:34:59.760,0:35:03.280

dumbledore was saying all those things

0:35:01.839,0:35:06.079

like oh just just

0:35:03.280,0:35:07.200

end me like kill me now and stuff wow

0:35:06.079,0:35:09.680

that hit hard

0:35:07.200,0:35:10.720

i was like not in the point of tears but

0:35:09.680,0:35:13.440

i was definitely

0:35:10.720,0:35:14.240

like reflecting after every chapter i

0:35:13.440,0:35:15.520

just think

0:35:14.240,0:35:17.359

and i'd read the next chapter and i'd

0:35:15.520,0:35:19.760

have a think just i don't know what i

0:35:17.359,0:35:23.200

was thinking about i was like how do i

0:35:19.760,0:35:25.520

how do i continue reading but um

0:35:23.200,0:35:27.040

yeah just i knew he was saying something

0:35:25.520,0:35:29.520

important as well i knew

0:35:27.040,0:35:30.079

there was more to dumbledore like then

0:35:29.520,0:35:32.240

what was

0:35:30.079,0:35:33.680

revealed and it does get revealed later

0:35:32.240,0:35:36.800

what he was sort of

0:35:33.680,0:35:38.320

contemplating but that was tough like

0:35:36.800,0:35:40.640

because at that point harry couldn't

0:35:38.320,0:35:41.839

give up and say dumbledore get me out of

0:35:40.640,0:35:44.320

here because

0:35:41.839,0:35:44.880

he there was no safety at that point and

0:35:44.320,0:35:47.440

that was

0:35:44.880,0:35:48.640

that was so scary exactly so and and

0:35:47.440,0:35:51.040

especially when

0:35:48.640,0:35:51.920

they say the dark mark and harry goes

0:35:51.040,0:35:53.920

from

0:35:51.920,0:35:55.440

you know thinking oh maybe i'll just

0:35:53.920,0:35:58.640

i'll carry dumbledore back

0:35:55.440,0:35:59.440

and then he just says look axio axio

0:35:58.640,0:36:02.320

broomsticks

0:35:59.440,0:36:04.400

let's get on we don't have time to do

0:36:02.320,0:36:07.440

the hostile wing thing anymore

0:36:04.400,0:36:09.839

that was that was tough

0:36:07.440,0:36:11.680

and i think when i re-read i'll see some

0:36:09.839,0:36:12.880

of the signs that dumbledore knew that

0:36:11.680,0:36:14.960

it was

0:36:12.880,0:36:16.720

he didn't have long left because as soon

0:36:14.960,0:36:19.280

as he saw that dark mark

0:36:16.720,0:36:20.960

dumbledore was thinking well okay that's

0:36:19.280,0:36:23.200

it you know

0:36:20.960,0:36:25.200

that was tough um the other thing about

0:36:23.200,0:36:27.599

half blood prince was

0:36:25.200,0:36:28.800

this is maybe a bit weird for like a 22

0:36:27.599,0:36:31.680

year old to be so

0:36:28.800,0:36:33.359

into this relationship but the harry and

0:36:31.680,0:36:35.680

ginny relationship

0:36:33.359,0:36:36.560

in half-life prince mostly like even

0:36:35.680,0:36:38.320

before

0:36:36.560,0:36:39.520

like when he was just thinking about it

0:36:38.320,0:36:41.119

i didn't really think they would get

0:36:39.520,0:36:42.079

together i just didn't imagine them

0:36:41.119,0:36:45.359

together

0:36:42.079,0:36:45.760

but as he saw ginny in the room and he

0:36:45.359,0:36:48.079

just

0:36:45.760,0:36:49.599

and he went goes up for a hug but they

0:36:48.079,0:36:51.520

kiss oh my god

0:36:49.599,0:36:53.920

like call me a little girl but that was

0:36:51.520,0:36:56.000

just that was amazing

0:36:53.920,0:36:57.200

i don't know why i don't know why if

0:36:56.000,0:36:59.839

it's just the way that

0:36:57.200,0:37:00.880

she wrote it but i just knew it was

0:36:59.839,0:37:03.680

gonna happen i was like

0:37:00.880,0:37:04.960

oh my god just do it and then it

0:37:03.680,0:37:08.640

happened and

0:37:04.960,0:37:10.560

i am so embarrassed but it was amazing

0:37:08.640,0:37:12.480

so i don't actually remember how i

0:37:10.560,0:37:12.960

reacted to that when i read it for the

0:37:12.480,0:37:15.200

first time

0:37:12.960,0:37:16.890

i think i i felt like i had my eyes

0:37:15.200,0:37:19.359

closed but i was still reading somehow

0:37:16.890,0:37:22.560

[Laughter]

0:37:19.359,0:37:25.119

i was like what about cho uh

0:37:22.560,0:37:26.160

yeah but i just as soon as it happened i

0:37:25.119,0:37:28.400

just thought it was so

0:37:26.160,0:37:30.240

it felt so right like a lot of these

0:37:28.400,0:37:32.400

moments i'm just thinking oh it's gonna

0:37:30.240,0:37:34.720

happen now yep yep that happened

0:37:32.400,0:37:36.480

yep and you're so out of it yes you're

0:37:34.720,0:37:38.079

just thinking about what people are

0:37:36.480,0:37:40.400

going to say about it and

0:37:38.079,0:37:41.599

or like people are going to approve of

0:37:40.400,0:37:43.920

this relationship

0:37:41.599,0:37:45.359

and i wonder how this is going to evolve

0:37:43.920,0:37:46.960

in the series and i wasn't thinking

0:37:45.359,0:37:48.560

about any of that i was just so

0:37:46.960,0:37:50.640

into it at the moment i was fully

0:37:48.560,0:37:52.800

absorbed that might be the moment i was

0:37:50.640,0:37:55.200

most absorbed in the whole series like

0:37:52.800,0:37:56.560

deathly hallows was very gripping but

0:37:55.200,0:37:58.000

that was like

0:37:56.560,0:38:00.320

i don't know why just coming out of

0:37:58.000,0:38:02.800

snape's office when he um

0:38:00.320,0:38:03.599

had the detention and then walking down

0:38:02.800,0:38:05.520

and just

0:38:03.599,0:38:07.440

not sure if they won and he's ready for

0:38:05.520,0:38:09.520

disappointment and i was feeling really

0:38:07.440,0:38:11.119

glum at that point and he walks in

0:38:09.520,0:38:13.359

everyone's happy so you're starting to

0:38:11.119,0:38:14.880

feel a bit better sees ginny and then

0:38:13.359,0:38:16.480

ginny could have turned around and said

0:38:14.880,0:38:17.599

oh don't celebrate with us you know you

0:38:16.480,0:38:20.160

weren't there but

0:38:17.599,0:38:20.880

just went the other way and that was um

0:38:20.160,0:38:23.920

that was just

0:38:20.880,0:38:25.440

amazing and the seventh and last book uh

0:38:23.920,0:38:27.119

the deathly hallows

0:38:25.440,0:38:28.720

well i think it's basically kind of an

0:38:27.119,0:38:30.320

adventure book in which you know our

0:38:28.720,0:38:33.119

heroes are trying to hunt down

0:38:30.320,0:38:34.720

all of voldemort's horcruxes and you

0:38:33.119,0:38:35.200

know after learning about his past and

0:38:34.720,0:38:37.760

all

0:38:35.200,0:38:39.040

and also an actual war breaks between

0:38:37.760,0:38:41.599

the wizarding world and

0:38:39.040,0:38:42.880

um you know voldemort's followers and

0:38:41.599,0:38:45.680

the situation is

0:38:42.880,0:38:46.960

easily at its worst um how did you like

0:38:45.680,0:38:49.440

the way the story ended

0:38:46.960,0:38:50.480

did you like did it end as you expected

0:38:49.440,0:38:52.960

it to end

0:38:50.480,0:38:54.800

what do you think about the way snape's

0:38:52.960,0:38:55.119

story ended because like they built it

0:38:54.800,0:38:57.200

for

0:38:55.119,0:38:58.800

seven books what do you think of the end

0:38:57.200,0:39:01.200

we gotta take this slow cause this

0:38:58.800,0:39:02.640

is there was so much to think about yeah

0:39:01.200,0:39:03.200

and i got excited there were the

0:39:02.640,0:39:06.240

questions

0:39:03.200,0:39:09.200

yep so remus and

0:39:06.240,0:39:12.160

uh nymph fedora they were tough because

0:39:09.200,0:39:14.400

i felt like remus was the last

0:39:12.160,0:39:15.440

connection harry really had to his

0:39:14.400,0:39:18.960

father you know

0:39:15.440,0:39:22.160

it was remus it was serious and it was

0:39:18.960,0:39:23.440

james you know and i just i just felt so

0:39:22.160,0:39:23.920

sorry that he's never going to be able

0:39:23.440,0:39:26.480

to

0:39:23.920,0:39:29.280

talk to anyone about his father anymore

0:39:26.480,0:39:31.040

and i know that sirius was

0:39:29.280,0:39:33.119

sort of a father figure but remus was

0:39:31.040,0:39:35.040

also sort of filling that spot

0:39:33.119,0:39:36.960

um especially in the year that he was

0:39:35.040,0:39:38.640

the dark arts teacher just remus felt

0:39:36.960,0:39:41.280

like such a

0:39:38.640,0:39:43.200

such an honest person you know he didn't

0:39:41.280,0:39:44.640

have anything to be ashamed of and

0:39:43.200,0:39:46.720

one of my favorite characters one of my

0:39:44.640,0:39:49.760

favorite characters especially yeah

0:39:46.720,0:39:50.720

and that hit really hard like i just was

0:39:49.760,0:39:52.560

amazed

0:39:50.720,0:39:54.520

when that happened yeah that was tough

0:39:52.560,0:39:56.079

especially when harry was appointed the

0:39:54.520,0:39:59.599

godfather um

0:39:56.079,0:40:02.320

of the child and nymph fedora especially

0:39:59.599,0:40:03.119

because he just met in fedora's parents

0:40:02.320,0:40:06.400

as well that

0:40:03.119,0:40:08.960

that year so that was really tough um

0:40:06.400,0:40:10.960

i think the only death that hit harder

0:40:08.960,0:40:13.280

was uh one of the twins yeah

0:40:10.960,0:40:14.640

the wizard who knows what twin died does

0:40:13.280,0:40:17.920

anyone know

0:40:14.640,0:40:21.280

i have no idea i it's a 50 50

0:40:17.920,0:40:22.560

it's a 50 50. i'm gonna look it up

0:40:21.280,0:40:24.480

because i don't want to say the wrong

0:40:22.560,0:40:26.160

one when i look back and listen to this

0:40:24.480,0:40:29.359

episode if i ever find out

0:40:26.160,0:40:31.520

it's george i'm gonna say fred

0:40:29.359,0:40:33.119

fred fred met his demise during the

0:40:31.520,0:40:34.560

battle of hogwarts he was killed by an

0:40:33.119,0:40:35.520

explosion outside the room of

0:40:34.560,0:40:37.200

requirement

0:40:35.520,0:40:39.280

in deathly hallows leaving the weasley

0:40:37.200,0:40:40.880

family including twin brother and best

0:40:39.280,0:40:42.400

friend george in shambles

0:40:40.880,0:40:44.160

that was the only one that hit harder

0:40:42.400,0:40:47.200

than nymphadora and

0:40:44.160,0:40:49.280

remus i'm also a little surprised that

0:40:47.200,0:40:50.160

they didn't cover it more i mean so much

0:40:49.280,0:40:53.839

was happening

0:40:50.160,0:40:58.160

so um i can understand

0:40:53.839,0:40:59.359

but i like especially because in um

0:40:58.160,0:41:02.720

order of the phoenix

0:40:59.359,0:41:04.800

molly weasley mrs weasley was just

0:41:02.720,0:41:06.160

dreaming that everyone she loved was

0:41:04.800,0:41:08.800

gonna die

0:41:06.160,0:41:09.280

i just thought not fred like why he's so

0:41:08.800,0:41:12.480

young

0:41:09.280,0:41:15.760

he's just started his business you know

0:41:12.480,0:41:17.599

like let it be mr weasley even like mr

0:41:15.760,0:41:20.560

weasley's lived a long life he had a

0:41:17.599,0:41:22.000

close call in order of phoenix you know

0:41:20.560,0:41:23.359

again i'm a little surprised that they

0:41:22.000,0:41:23.760

didn't go into a little bit more like

0:41:23.359,0:41:27.200

how

0:41:23.760,0:41:29.599

george was gonna live um on his own and

0:41:27.200,0:41:30.240

yeah yeah that was so tough so tough

0:41:29.599,0:41:32.640

especially

0:41:30.240,0:41:34.240

especially percy coming back and

0:41:32.640,0:41:36.000

reuniting with his brothers that was

0:41:34.240,0:41:39.119

nice that was one thing at least

0:41:36.000,0:41:40.640

at least fred died when percy

0:41:39.119,0:41:42.880

when they were having a laugh you know

0:41:40.640,0:41:43.440

with percy and everything was okay for a

0:41:42.880,0:41:46.000

second

0:41:43.440,0:41:46.960

so um what'd you think about the snape's

0:41:46.000,0:41:49.760

storyline

0:41:46.960,0:41:51.119

okay so snape had the best i've never

0:41:49.760,0:41:51.599

seen a character written as well as

0:41:51.119,0:41:54.240

snape

0:41:51.599,0:41:54.880

in anything okay so walking through the

0:41:54.240,0:41:58.000

books

0:41:54.880,0:42:00.160

um in the first book snape was

0:41:58.000,0:42:02.240

um like the mini villain like it was

0:42:00.160,0:42:04.160

like the when you're 11 and you're at

0:42:02.240,0:42:04.560

school teachers can really be villains

0:42:04.160,0:42:06.640

you know

0:42:04.560,0:42:08.240

like you can be legitimately scared of a

0:42:06.640,0:42:10.880

teacher that just doesn't like you

0:42:08.240,0:42:11.520

and he was that but then at the end he

0:42:10.880,0:42:13.520

was the one

0:42:11.520,0:42:15.200

trying to get rid of cruel and i felt

0:42:13.520,0:42:17.119

like wow maybe there's something more to

0:42:15.200,0:42:18.960

snape like snape has some sort of sense

0:42:17.119,0:42:20.000

of honor was it because harry was a

0:42:18.960,0:42:23.040

student

0:42:20.000,0:42:25.520

and i just sort of not forgot but

0:42:23.040,0:42:27.200

like i was like okay maybe i over

0:42:25.520,0:42:27.680

exaggerated it maybe he just saved a

0:42:27.200,0:42:30.880

student

0:42:27.680,0:42:32.160

because he's a teacher and look he would

0:42:30.880,0:42:35.520

he just didn't want

0:42:32.160,0:42:37.440

the dark lord to to rise again thanks to

0:42:35.520,0:42:38.960

professor cruel not a big deal like he

0:42:37.440,0:42:39.680

probably would have done it for hermione

0:42:38.960,0:42:41.920

so

0:42:39.680,0:42:42.720

you know let's let's not over exaggerate

0:42:41.920,0:42:44.800

it

0:42:42.720,0:42:46.160

and then onwards from there he sort of

0:42:44.800,0:42:49.440

fulfilled just the

0:42:46.160,0:42:51.760

pain in harry's side you know especially

0:42:49.440,0:42:53.599

in prisoner of azkaban like

0:42:51.760,0:42:55.680

what are you doing snape how can you be

0:42:53.599,0:42:58.240

so stupid like

0:42:55.680,0:43:00.400

just let him react with his godfather

0:42:58.240,0:43:03.119

and from prisoner of azkaban onwards

0:43:00.400,0:43:04.240

i felt really angry at snape as did

0:43:03.119,0:43:07.359

harry

0:43:04.240,0:43:10.240

and um snape has an interesting sort of

0:43:07.359,0:43:12.160

lead-up to the half-blood prince which

0:43:10.240,0:43:15.440

half-blood prince is snape's book

0:43:12.160,0:43:18.240

that that's his book you know and i just

0:43:15.440,0:43:18.640

i couldn't have hated him more towards

0:43:18.240,0:43:22.560

the

0:43:18.640,0:43:24.160

end of um half blood prince because

0:43:22.560,0:43:25.680

at the start of half blood prince just

0:43:24.160,0:43:29.119

for a bit of context

0:43:25.680,0:43:30.640

i was texting my friend as um as i was

0:43:29.119,0:43:33.520

reading it and i was saying well

0:43:30.640,0:43:34.960

i i bet because this is this how he's

0:43:33.520,0:43:37.040

how characters are written

0:43:34.960,0:43:38.960

he's going to be a triple agent he's

0:43:37.040,0:43:40.000

going to be and when i mean triple agent

0:43:38.960,0:43:42.319

i mean

0:43:40.000,0:43:43.839

he'll be working for dumbledore but

0:43:42.319,0:43:45.680

voldemort will think

0:43:43.839,0:43:47.359

he's working for him but he really is

0:43:45.680,0:43:50.079

working for dumbledore and

0:43:47.359,0:43:51.839

i was i was certain i was certain i was

0:43:50.079,0:43:54.400

certain even when he was talking to

0:43:51.839,0:43:55.520

draco i was like i don't know what he's

0:43:54.400,0:43:57.359

doing but

0:43:55.520,0:43:59.280

the reason why he has to be angry at

0:43:57.359,0:44:02.480

harry must be because

0:43:59.280,0:44:04.000

he's just doing an act but then i was i

0:44:02.480,0:44:05.920

was flicking through and i was

0:44:04.000,0:44:07.440

i realized that even when he's alone

0:44:05.920,0:44:09.520

with harry

0:44:07.440,0:44:12.079

he's angry with him you know and like

0:44:09.520,0:44:14.560

not even angry at the point like

0:44:12.079,0:44:16.160

where oh if he wasn't angry maybe harry

0:44:14.560,0:44:17.839

would suspect something but he doesn't

0:44:16.160,0:44:20.640

need to be so cruel

0:44:17.839,0:44:21.920

you know he is really cruel to harry and

0:44:20.640,0:44:23.599

overly cruel

0:44:21.920,0:44:25.920

he wouldn't have to be that cruel if he

0:44:23.599,0:44:28.000

was a even just a double agent

0:44:25.920,0:44:28.960

so at that point especially when he

0:44:28.000,0:44:31.680

killed dumbledore but

0:44:28.960,0:44:32.079

at that point onwards i just thought oh

0:44:31.680,0:44:33.839

okay

0:44:32.079,0:44:35.599

so snape's just the worst yeah you're

0:44:33.839,0:44:36.000

left with no doubt i was left with no

0:44:35.599,0:44:38.240

doubt

0:44:36.000,0:44:40.319

after sex and i thought well he's just

0:44:38.240,0:44:40.720

gonna he's finally joined voldemort

0:44:40.319,0:44:43.599

again

0:44:40.720,0:44:44.480

and then it's gonna be voldemort snape

0:44:43.599,0:44:46.560

against

0:44:44.480,0:44:48.319

hogwarts and that made sense to me

0:44:46.560,0:44:50.240

because

0:44:48.319,0:44:52.160

well i was waiting for snape to have a

0:44:50.240,0:44:54.880

big moment and i thought well

0:44:52.160,0:44:55.760

okay that's it he's going to be fighting

0:44:54.880,0:44:58.079

on

0:44:55.760,0:44:58.880

side by side with voldemort that's that

0:44:58.079,0:45:02.319

to me was

0:44:58.880,0:45:04.480

a good not a good thing but it felt like

0:45:02.319,0:45:05.760

good enough for snape it was it was

0:45:04.480,0:45:07.520

something that snape would

0:45:05.760,0:45:10.000

could build up to and that's pretty good

0:45:07.520,0:45:12.560

to be second only to the dark lord

0:45:10.000,0:45:13.280

ah and then definitely hallows happens

0:45:12.560,0:45:17.960

still hate

0:45:13.280,0:45:19.119

snape even more i mean snape hit um

0:45:17.960,0:45:22.160

fred's

0:45:19.119,0:45:25.200

ear off no it's george is it it's

0:45:22.160,0:45:26.960

it's george's um ear off and i just

0:45:25.200,0:45:28.800

like to having something tangible that

0:45:26.960,0:45:32.400

he's taken after the dumbledore

0:45:28.800,0:45:34.880

just just fired me up again

0:45:32.400,0:45:35.920

and um when we i'll just go skip ahead

0:45:34.880,0:45:37.680

because i can't think

0:45:35.920,0:45:39.119

i can't go through my feelings of every

0:45:37.680,0:45:41.920

chapter but when

0:45:39.119,0:45:42.640

snape's lying there and luckily harry's

0:45:41.920,0:45:45.680

around him

0:45:42.640,0:45:46.480

and he just says take it takes takes the

0:45:45.680,0:45:49.359

silver

0:45:46.480,0:45:50.640

um sort of memories goes to the pensive

0:45:49.359,0:45:52.400

and i was thinking

0:45:50.640,0:45:54.240

50 minutes mate be quick with the

0:45:52.400,0:45:57.440

pensive but he was

0:45:54.240,0:45:59.119

and um i hesitate to say it not because

0:45:57.440,0:46:00.000

i can think of another scene that i

0:45:59.119,0:46:02.000

liked more

0:46:00.000,0:46:04.720

but just because it's such a long series

0:46:02.000,0:46:07.760

that maybe i'm i'm missing something

0:46:04.720,0:46:11.359

but that might be my favorite sequence

0:46:07.760,0:46:13.839

of scenes where where snape's

0:46:11.359,0:46:14.720

talking with lily and snape's such a

0:46:13.839,0:46:17.680

normal and

0:46:14.720,0:46:18.319

not normal but he's you can tell he's

0:46:17.680,0:46:20.720

bad he's

0:46:18.319,0:46:22.240

he's not he's not bad at all like he

0:46:20.720,0:46:24.720

he's pretty decent like

0:46:22.240,0:46:25.839

you know doesn't deserve anything bad

0:46:24.720,0:46:29.359

towards him

0:46:25.839,0:46:32.560

and then you can see lily's lily's like

0:46:29.359,0:46:33.680

very caring of snape but snape has this

0:46:32.560,0:46:36.960

sort of

0:46:33.680,0:46:40.480

you know um connection with the

0:46:36.960,0:46:43.920

with the dark arts he's a slytherin and

0:46:40.480,0:46:46.160

he's friends with some shady people and

0:46:43.920,0:46:48.079

i kind of think like i know people that

0:46:46.160,0:46:49.920

are good people but they sort of

0:46:48.079,0:46:51.520

aren't in a good crowd and they don't

0:46:49.920,0:46:52.640

have the best

0:46:51.520,0:46:54.720

they don't have the best first

0:46:52.640,0:46:56.720

impression you know and i

0:46:54.720,0:46:57.839

really felt like snape was just like a

0:46:56.720,0:47:00.079

grown

0:46:57.839,0:47:01.520

man who just went through a bad

0:47:00.079,0:47:04.480

childhood and then it goes

0:47:01.520,0:47:07.200

further and it's saying how he begged

0:47:04.480,0:47:10.480

voldemort not to kill lily evans

0:47:07.200,0:47:11.440

now it all made sense why snape hated

0:47:10.480,0:47:13.440

harry because

0:47:11.440,0:47:15.040

a lot of the time he did hate harry

0:47:13.440,0:47:18.079

harry wasn't lily

0:47:15.040,0:47:20.079

harry was half literally half james

0:47:18.079,0:47:21.200

and he only wanted harry to survive

0:47:20.079,0:47:23.040

because of lily

0:47:21.200,0:47:24.960

like yeah you know it's because what

0:47:23.040,0:47:28.079

lily would have wanted you know

0:47:24.960,0:47:30.160

it all suddenly made sense and the thing

0:47:28.079,0:47:32.480

that really hit me hard

0:47:30.160,0:47:34.720

was when snape was getting angry at

0:47:32.480,0:47:37.520

dumbledore for basically

0:47:34.720,0:47:38.000

fattening him up for voldemort that hit

0:47:37.520,0:47:39.680

me hard

0:47:38.000,0:47:41.680

because i at that point i thought there

0:47:39.680,0:47:42.240

was no redemption for dumbledore which

0:47:41.680,0:47:45.520

there's

0:47:42.240,0:47:49.280

which there was um because he knew that

0:47:45.520,0:47:50.720

he would survive but i just felt so

0:47:49.280,0:47:51.680

sorry for snape because he has no

0:47:50.720,0:47:54.079

friends in the order

0:47:51.680,0:47:55.440

of the phoenix he has no friends in the

0:47:54.079,0:47:57.440

death eaters because the death eaters

0:47:55.440,0:48:00.880

think he's in the order of the phoenix

0:47:57.440,0:48:03.760

so he's lived this solitary life serving

0:48:00.880,0:48:04.400

person he didn't get to marry his son

0:48:03.760,0:48:08.319

who's

0:48:04.400,0:48:10.880

doesn't even like him and i i thought

0:48:08.319,0:48:12.800

there was no there was almost no no no

0:48:10.880,0:48:13.599

more noble cause you could dedicate your

0:48:12.800,0:48:15.599

life to

0:48:13.599,0:48:16.880

but when people say dedicate your life

0:48:15.599,0:48:18.559

people are like oh

0:48:16.880,0:48:20.720

i dedicated my life to accounting

0:48:18.559,0:48:21.359

because i'm here all the time and you

0:48:20.720,0:48:23.119

know

0:48:21.359,0:48:25.599

you know spent a lot of time doing it

0:48:23.119,0:48:26.480

but he dedicated his personal his

0:48:25.599,0:48:28.880

private

0:48:26.480,0:48:30.880

life i literally lived that cause he

0:48:28.880,0:48:31.520

lived the cause and i can't imagine all

0:48:30.880,0:48:34.559

the nights

0:48:31.520,0:48:36.319

harry was thinking about how harry was

0:48:34.559,0:48:39.359

giving him a bad time

0:48:36.319,0:48:40.720

at school and he was just thinking i'm

0:48:39.359,0:48:43.440

doing it to save this

0:48:40.720,0:48:44.880

bloody kid you know it just it really

0:48:43.440,0:48:45.920

crushed me at that point and the fact

0:48:44.880,0:48:47.599

that he

0:48:45.920,0:48:48.960

and the fact that he died before he

0:48:47.599,0:48:52.000

could say like thank you

0:48:48.960,0:48:52.400

or anything um like harry could actually

0:48:52.000,0:48:53.680

just

0:48:52.400,0:48:56.160

because harry obviously couldn't go to

0:48:53.680,0:48:58.079

the pensive come back and say thanks

0:48:56.160,0:48:59.359

so he died and he didn't even get any

0:48:58.079,0:49:01.520

thanks and

0:48:59.359,0:49:03.200

well he did but he obviously wasn't

0:49:01.520,0:49:04.880

there for it so

0:49:03.200,0:49:06.800

that to me really broke my heart and

0:49:04.880,0:49:07.680

that was that was the moment of the

0:49:06.800,0:49:09.760

series for me

0:49:07.680,0:49:11.760

that was yeah i agree amazing i'll put a

0:49:09.760,0:49:13.760

little asterisk because

0:49:11.760,0:49:14.800

i'm sure like as i re-read them many

0:49:13.760,0:49:16.480

times then

0:49:14.800,0:49:18.000

i'm sure there could be other scenes but

0:49:16.480,0:49:20.000

for now that that

0:49:18.000,0:49:21.520

hit me the hardest yeah i agree it's a

0:49:20.000,0:49:24.160

beautiful moment and it's like it's the

0:49:21.520,0:49:26.880

payoff of a storyline that's fetched

0:49:24.160,0:49:28.160

for seven books i thought harry harry

0:49:26.880,0:49:31.119

naming his son

0:49:28.160,0:49:34.000

albus severus was quite good it doesn't

0:49:31.119,0:49:36.160

sound good albus

0:49:34.000,0:49:38.160

in fact i actually kind of would have

0:49:36.160,0:49:39.839

liked him just call him severus potter

0:49:38.160,0:49:41.440

that or sev potter or something like

0:49:39.839,0:49:44.800

that that would have been nicer

0:49:41.440,0:49:45.920

because dumbledore died in good standing

0:49:44.800,0:49:47.520

mostly

0:49:45.920,0:49:49.200

i'm sure harry would have said something

0:49:47.520,0:49:49.920

about snape in the quibbler or something

0:49:49.200,0:49:52.559

but

0:49:49.920,0:49:52.960

to nest name his son just plainly sev

0:49:52.559,0:49:55.280

would

0:49:52.960,0:49:56.079

would have been nice but yeah yeah you

0:49:55.280,0:49:57.920

can't wait

0:49:56.079,0:49:59.119

for something bad to happen to snape

0:49:57.920,0:50:02.160

because you hate him

0:49:59.119,0:50:04.480

and then all of a sudden he becomes

0:50:02.160,0:50:06.079

so human and so relatable and you're

0:50:04.480,0:50:09.040

kind of rooting for him

0:50:06.079,0:50:09.920

and just then he dies and that creates

0:50:09.040,0:50:12.559

this

0:50:09.920,0:50:14.000

really special effect that you as the

0:50:12.559,0:50:17.920

viewer from the side

0:50:14.000,0:50:18.720

can't help by but feel very engaged in

0:50:17.920,0:50:21.200

in the depth

0:50:18.720,0:50:22.800

of of what's happening yeah in this

0:50:21.200,0:50:25.760

world there's something about

0:50:22.800,0:50:26.720

doing something without even the hope of

0:50:25.760,0:50:29.520

reward

0:50:26.720,0:50:30.000

is amazing like people who are only

0:50:29.520,0:50:31.520

going to

0:50:30.000,0:50:33.359

be recognized for what they do well

0:50:31.520,0:50:34.800

after their death there's something

0:50:33.359,0:50:37.599

about being human which is

0:50:34.800,0:50:39.119

hard to accept that often when people

0:50:37.599,0:50:40.720

are sort of dedicating their life to a

0:50:39.119,0:50:41.200

greater cause there's some payoff for

0:50:40.720,0:50:43.200

you

0:50:41.200,0:50:44.559

you know like at the end everything's

0:50:43.200,0:50:46.480

okay but

0:50:44.559,0:50:48.480

when there's no payoff for you only for

0:50:46.480,0:50:50.079

someone else like ever

0:50:48.480,0:50:52.319

there's something in the human sort of

0:50:50.079,0:50:54.000

mind which sort of explodes a little bit

0:50:52.319,0:50:56.000

like it's hard to comprehend and you

0:50:54.000,0:50:57.599

know i kept thinking about um

0:50:56.000,0:50:59.359

throughout the books they keep

0:50:57.599,0:51:01.760

mentioning that harry has

0:50:59.359,0:51:03.680

lilly's eyes yeah yeah yeah and i guess

0:51:01.760,0:51:06.319

there's something like really

0:51:03.680,0:51:06.960

profound in in seeing someone else's

0:51:06.319,0:51:09.280

eyes

0:51:06.960,0:51:11.119

eyes are so immutable because with hair

0:51:09.280,0:51:12.640

you can do things about it and body

0:51:11.119,0:51:15.119

shape is sort of like

0:51:12.640,0:51:16.720

you can be tall i guess but it doesn't

0:51:15.119,0:51:17.520

it's nothing it doesn't say much about

0:51:16.720,0:51:20.160

you

0:51:17.520,0:51:21.839

but eyes are so immutable like you can't

0:51:20.160,0:51:23.520

people will do it but you can't really

0:51:21.839,0:51:24.319

get like a tattoo over your eyes or

0:51:23.520,0:51:27.119

anything like that

0:51:24.319,0:51:27.440

so that's why the color contacts are

0:51:27.119,0:51:31.440

just

0:51:27.440,0:51:33.680

it's horrible yeah sorry you just

0:51:31.440,0:51:36.000

triggered one more thought sorry um i'll

0:51:33.680,0:51:39.599

talk again um

0:51:36.000,0:51:41.520

i realized in book seven that we focused

0:51:39.599,0:51:44.000

so much on james potter

0:51:41.520,0:51:45.040

and us and i i sort of had this feeling

0:51:44.000,0:51:47.200

like

0:51:45.040,0:51:49.040

when remus is first talking about james

0:51:47.200,0:51:51.440

he said we're not perfect

0:51:49.040,0:51:52.559

um you know we were kids just like you

0:51:51.440,0:51:55.280

and harry wasn't

0:51:52.559,0:51:57.040

sure like really if his dad was okay and

0:51:55.280,0:51:58.960

i realized that like his father figure

0:51:57.040,0:51:59.760

wasn't really what he was like his dad

0:51:58.960,0:52:02.880

wasn't

0:51:59.760,0:52:04.319

the upstanding citizen he was he made

0:52:02.880,0:52:06.319

the marauders map he

0:52:04.319,0:52:07.520

did things that sometimes were probably

0:52:06.319,0:52:10.079

immoral and

0:52:07.520,0:52:11.680

yeah his dad his dad wasn't a terrible

0:52:10.079,0:52:14.480

person by any means but

0:52:11.680,0:52:15.359

he definitely did have this reformation

0:52:14.480,0:52:17.119

you know he

0:52:15.359,0:52:19.119

went lily was sort of the one who

0:52:17.119,0:52:22.079

brought him into the light and

0:52:19.119,0:52:24.559

when he died i feel like james was had

0:52:22.079,0:52:26.160

sort of paid back most of his um

0:52:24.559,0:52:27.920

deaths you know like he yeah he went

0:52:26.160,0:52:30.960

from being a little bit of a brat

0:52:27.920,0:52:34.160

much more than harry is to sort of

0:52:30.960,0:52:36.160

coming back into into the light and

0:52:34.160,0:52:37.839

i don't know how better to say it but

0:52:36.160,0:52:40.000

lily really just turned around

0:52:37.839,0:52:40.880

and lily was probably the better half of

0:52:40.000,0:52:42.319

james

0:52:40.880,0:52:44.400

and i didn't realize how much we

0:52:42.319,0:52:44.960

overlooked lily you know and we don't

0:52:44.400,0:52:46.800

know

0:52:44.960,0:52:48.559

too much about her through other books

0:52:46.800,0:52:50.880

well the thing we do know is that

0:52:48.559,0:52:52.559

she was good at potions because harry is

0:52:50.880,0:52:53.760

always congratulated about lilly's

0:52:52.559,0:52:56.400

potion skills

0:52:53.760,0:52:58.559

and obviously snape is the potions

0:52:56.400,0:53:00.000

teacher and also the half-blood prince

0:52:58.559,0:53:02.400

you know that's probably something that

0:53:00.000,0:53:03.839

brought snape and lily together the fact

0:53:02.400,0:53:05.119

that they were both good at potions you

0:53:03.839,0:53:07.280

know they probably had

0:53:05.119,0:53:08.960

similar thoughts you know that they

0:53:07.280,0:53:10.960

probably acted similarly

0:53:08.960,0:53:12.400

but snape was pulled down sort of the

0:53:10.960,0:53:14.240

slytherin end

0:53:12.400,0:53:16.720

and james and lily were in the same

0:53:14.240,0:53:18.000

house and he was a pretty cool looking

0:53:16.720,0:53:20.640

dude so

0:53:18.000,0:53:21.760

it's amazing that lily and james are

0:53:20.640,0:53:23.280

such different people

0:53:21.760,0:53:25.040

like when you go into the book you think

0:53:23.280,0:53:27.680

they were they could have just been like

0:53:25.040,0:53:29.040

exactly the same yeah you know perfect

0:53:27.680,0:53:30.240

two halves of the same coin but you

0:53:29.040,0:53:31.200

realize there were actually two

0:53:30.240,0:53:34.319

opposites

0:53:31.200,0:53:35.680

and snape might have been more like lily

0:53:34.319,0:53:37.839

than james was yeah that's an

0:53:35.680,0:53:40.400

interesting fact lily was i have redhead

0:53:37.839,0:53:41.440

right now uh yeah yeah i think she was

0:53:40.400,0:53:44.240

dark red hair

0:53:41.440,0:53:45.599

and jenny had she was just a redhead

0:53:44.240,0:53:48.000

like all the wizards

0:53:45.599,0:53:49.520

oh what dear old freud had to say about

0:53:48.000,0:53:51.040

that

0:53:49.520,0:53:52.960

i haven't seen the movies but i think

0:53:51.040,0:53:56.400

jenny and his mother

0:53:52.960,0:53:58.960

look similar i kind of have a picture

0:53:56.400,0:53:59.599

of uh lily potter's character from the

0:53:58.960,0:54:03.119

movies

0:53:59.599,0:54:05.040

and i think maybe they did go for some

0:54:03.119,0:54:07.040

you know a couple of similar looking

0:54:05.040,0:54:10.079

actresses for her and jeannie

0:54:07.040,0:54:10.800

maybe i think i think in the movie jk

0:54:10.079,0:54:13.760

rowling

0:54:10.800,0:54:14.400

acts uh lily i mean the first one but in

0:54:13.760,0:54:17.119

the

0:54:14.400,0:54:17.440

sixth movie you can see lily and snape

0:54:17.119,0:54:20.480

as

0:54:17.440,0:54:23.520

kids oh that's not jk rowling

0:54:20.480,0:54:25.520

or is it or is

0:54:23.520,0:54:28.000

better how did you like the epilogue of

0:54:25.520,0:54:28.960

the book well i actually texted you guys

0:54:28.000,0:54:30.720

after i

0:54:28.960,0:54:32.400

after i read it and i said it was

0:54:30.720,0:54:35.280

crushing and you asked me if it was good

0:54:32.400,0:54:37.200

or bad and i said emphatically both

0:54:35.280,0:54:40.480

because i don't want to be selfish but

0:54:37.200,0:54:42.799

it it felt like it closed so many doors

0:54:40.480,0:54:44.400

and i just thought well that's it you

0:54:42.799,0:54:46.480

know i was hoping they'd leave a door

0:54:44.400,0:54:48.319

open like oh yeah and that was the ten

0:54:46.480,0:54:50.000

years i was or seven years at hogwarts

0:54:48.319,0:54:51.040

and then i could think oh what happens

0:54:50.000,0:54:52.960

after but

0:54:51.040,0:54:54.319

it really sort of brought it to a close

0:54:52.960,0:54:55.680

it was like that's the end of the

0:54:54.319,0:54:58.480

chapter

0:54:55.680,0:55:00.400

and look they probably did have eventful

0:54:58.480,0:55:02.720

things that happened to them

0:55:00.400,0:55:04.880

up until that point in the next 19 years

0:55:02.720,0:55:06.400

but overall the voldemort chapter is

0:55:04.880,0:55:07.920

over and nothing like that would ever

0:55:06.400,0:55:09.359

happen again and he says that even

0:55:07.920,0:55:09.839

before the epilogue he said like that's

0:55:09.359,0:55:13.200

enough

0:55:09.839,0:55:15.119

enough trouble for a lifetime and he was

0:55:13.200,0:55:17.520

part of society again like he felt

0:55:15.119,0:55:18.480

normal he had a wife he had kids you

0:55:17.520,0:55:21.359

know

0:55:18.480,0:55:23.119

and run i loved ron and hermione's

0:55:21.359,0:55:25.359

relationship as well like

0:55:23.119,0:55:27.920

i thought it was a little bit not force

0:55:25.359,0:55:29.920

but like i feel like sometimes even when

0:55:27.920,0:55:31.920

harry and hermione could have had a

0:55:29.920,0:55:34.559

little bit of um

0:55:31.920,0:55:36.000

chemistry i feel like they skipped over

0:55:34.559,0:55:38.480

a little bit quicker than my

0:55:36.000,0:55:39.680

maybe they would have otherwise but i'm

0:55:38.480,0:55:41.760

okay with that i thought

0:55:39.680,0:55:43.760

ron and hermione were there's something

0:55:41.760,0:55:45.839

about him like something about

0:55:43.760,0:55:46.960

not being in the spotlight that they

0:55:45.839,0:55:48.640

both shared

0:55:46.960,0:55:50.400

because being harry potter's friend is

0:55:48.640,0:55:52.880

almost just as unique as

0:55:50.400,0:55:54.559

experience as being harry potter you

0:55:52.880,0:55:56.480

know and they're the only two that can

0:55:54.559,0:55:59.359

really understand what it's like to

0:55:56.480,0:56:01.359

be around harry potter but not not know

0:55:59.359,0:56:04.559

directly what he what harry's feeling

0:56:01.359,0:56:07.200

and i just i loved how ron was so

0:56:04.559,0:56:08.240

protective of hermione and even when it

0:56:07.200,0:56:10.720

was so obvious

0:56:08.240,0:56:11.440

they they were going to be together it

0:56:10.720,0:56:13.280

just

0:56:11.440,0:56:15.119

it was it was a nice dose of love

0:56:13.280,0:56:17.359

sometimes when it was dark

0:56:15.119,0:56:18.880

and seeing them together at the station

0:56:17.359,0:56:22.160

um in the epilogue was

0:56:18.880,0:56:23.359

it was great like i loved when he said

0:56:22.160,0:56:25.359

you thought i was gonna

0:56:23.359,0:56:26.720

confirm the driving test and she said i

0:56:25.359,0:56:30.640

had complete faith in you

0:56:26.720,0:56:34.640

and he whispered well i did confront him

0:56:30.640,0:56:36.160

um i just thought no nobody's changed

0:56:34.640,0:56:39.040

everyone's just

0:56:36.160,0:56:40.079

who they are ginny was nice like ginny's

0:56:39.040,0:56:42.720

finally like

0:56:40.079,0:56:44.319

them like seeing ginny as a mother was

0:56:42.720,0:56:47.280

quite emotional

0:56:44.319,0:56:48.799

and there's this moment where um harry's

0:56:47.280,0:56:49.440

kids are so nice of course they're like

0:56:48.799,0:56:52.960

oh let's

0:56:49.440,0:56:55.280

we can have um ted over and

0:56:52.960,0:56:56.160

um i'm happy to share a room with james

0:56:55.280,0:56:58.000

was it

0:56:56.160,0:56:59.440

i'm forgetting some of the names but

0:56:58.000,0:57:01.440

like two of the kids were saying oh

0:56:59.440,0:57:02.960

we'll stay in the same room if if ted's

0:57:01.440,0:57:05.280

tonks and um

0:57:02.960,0:57:06.000

and remus kids wants to come over four

0:57:05.280,0:57:07.520

days or

0:57:06.000,0:57:10.240

um because he's already coming over four

0:57:07.520,0:57:12.319

days a week let's just have him over

0:57:10.240,0:57:13.920

and then harry has said no like

0:57:12.319,0:57:15.839

instinctively like he didn't even

0:57:13.920,0:57:18.400

realize he said it so firmly and then

0:57:15.839,0:57:19.760

he's like uh i mean like you know i

0:57:18.400,0:57:20.799

don't want to see you guys in the same

0:57:19.760,0:57:22.559

bedroom because

0:57:20.799,0:57:23.920

that was talking about his time at the

0:57:22.559,0:57:25.440

dursleys like

0:57:23.920,0:57:27.599

he just wants his kids to have the

0:57:25.440,0:57:29.680

childhood that he didn't have

0:57:27.599,0:57:31.359

it was nice i i don't know how i would

0:57:29.680,0:57:32.480

have ended it if i didn't end it with

0:57:31.359,0:57:34.160

that epilogue

0:57:32.480,0:57:35.680

i wouldn't have liked them to skip a few

0:57:34.160,0:57:37.040

years like if they just skipped like two

0:57:35.680,0:57:38.400

or three years just to say oh they've

0:57:37.040,0:57:40.160

got jobs now that

0:57:38.400,0:57:42.400

he's an aura or something like that it

0:57:40.160,0:57:43.359

would have felt very cheap but having 19

0:57:42.400,0:57:45.839

years like

0:57:43.359,0:57:47.920

the next time that the station felt like

0:57:45.839,0:57:49.760

really

0:57:47.920,0:57:51.520

it was it was heartbreaking because it

0:57:49.760,0:57:53.760

was like it was all over but

0:57:51.520,0:57:55.119

it felt good to know like everything was

0:57:53.760,0:57:58.160

going to be okay like his

0:57:55.119,0:57:59.200

his i i felt like him and ron and

0:57:58.160,0:58:01.520

hermione still

0:57:59.200,0:58:03.200

and and ginny still sort of interacting

0:58:01.520,0:58:06.240

you know like catching up all the time

0:58:03.200,0:58:09.680

felt like a almost like a slightly

0:58:06.240,0:58:11.520

more um dispersed version of like

0:58:09.680,0:58:13.280

the weasleys you know because the

0:58:11.520,0:58:15.280

weasley's had like a really great

0:58:13.280,0:58:16.799

childhood and i feel like harry and

0:58:15.280,0:58:19.440

jenny are sort of

0:58:16.799,0:58:20.400

mimicking what they went through with at

0:58:19.440,0:58:23.200

the weasleys

0:58:20.400,0:58:24.160

i kind of i kind of wanted to have more

0:58:23.200,0:58:25.359

of the epilogue

0:58:24.160,0:58:27.520

if you know what i mean i wanted to have

0:58:25.359,0:58:28.240

more but if i had more i would have felt

0:58:27.520,0:58:30.079

even

0:58:28.240,0:58:32.240

worse after i would have felt like oh

0:58:30.079,0:58:34.079

now they give it going into details and

0:58:32.240,0:58:36.319

now i want to know more about it

0:58:34.079,0:58:37.599

it felt like it gave me just enough

0:58:36.319,0:58:39.359

maybe but

0:58:37.599,0:58:41.599

yeah i don't know it kind of felt like

0:58:39.359,0:58:44.000

you know the the war ended and

0:58:41.599,0:58:46.000

you know they won and then you skipped

0:58:44.000,0:58:48.000

19 years ahead and

0:58:46.000,0:58:49.520

basically the epilogue tells you

0:58:48.000,0:58:50.160

everything is okay like everything

0:58:49.520,0:58:52.480

turned out

0:58:50.160,0:58:54.160

all right and that's all you need to

0:58:52.480,0:58:56.160

know but no i want to know

0:58:54.160,0:58:58.000

more so i don't want more of the

0:58:56.160,0:59:00.000

epilogue i want more i want another

0:58:58.000,0:59:01.680

chapter before the epilogue

0:59:00.000,0:59:03.680

yeah you know i want a chapter where

0:59:01.680,0:59:05.520

they go back to the borough

0:59:03.680,0:59:06.720

they catch the train back they go back

0:59:05.520,0:59:10.000

to the burrow

0:59:06.720,0:59:13.040

they find out everyone who died and

0:59:10.000,0:59:14.240

um they they talk with um well they

0:59:13.040,0:59:17.359

don't talk but they

0:59:14.240,0:59:21.359

they see ted's um ted tonks the

0:59:17.359,0:59:22.960

kid they um they talk about mrs weasley

0:59:21.359,0:59:26.000

mrs weasley's talking about

0:59:22.960,0:59:28.400

george or fred the one that died fred

0:59:26.000,0:59:29.920

and um and i would have liked it to end

0:59:28.400,0:59:31.440

happily i wouldn't like another chapter

0:59:29.920,0:59:33.359

if it was just talking about fred the

0:59:31.440,0:59:36.160

whole time like i would have liked to

0:59:33.359,0:59:37.359

start with that and then end on a

0:59:36.160,0:59:39.280

happier note like

0:59:37.359,0:59:40.880

like something just like oh so what are

0:59:39.280,0:59:44.240

you guys doing now oh you know

0:59:40.880,0:59:44.960

i'm thinking we'll try to get jobs and

0:59:44.240,0:59:46.799

then

0:59:44.960,0:59:48.559

like something where they plan out a

0:59:46.799,0:59:50.319

little bit and then

0:59:48.559,0:59:52.480

you know like or something like oh we're

0:59:50.319,0:59:54.799

thinking about applying and then running

0:59:52.480,0:59:56.559

ron and harry booking appointment to

0:59:54.799,0:59:58.079

apply for something hermione goes

0:59:56.559,1:00:01.119

somewhere else to be like a

0:59:58.079,1:00:02.319

librarian or something i don't know and

1:00:01.119,1:00:04.480

you know it would have been nice to have

1:00:02.319,1:00:04.880

some sort of like oh what's next oh i

1:00:04.480,1:00:06.799

know

1:00:04.880,1:00:08.640

and then something very like

1:00:06.799,1:00:10.240

inconsequential but something that

1:00:08.640,1:00:11.680

could have just end on something that

1:00:10.240,1:00:14.160

wasn't so heavy

1:00:11.680,1:00:15.119

you know no i think the epilogue kind of

1:00:14.160,1:00:17.280

seals everything

1:00:15.119,1:00:18.400

and says don't worry everything's okay

1:00:17.280,1:00:20.960

go home the

1:00:18.400,1:00:23.040

the story is over but i i want to see

1:00:20.960,1:00:25.520

how they deal with the aftermath of

1:00:23.040,1:00:26.559

everything yeah we lost a lot of

1:00:25.520,1:00:29.119

characters we

1:00:26.559,1:00:30.640

we made a lot of i don't know like new

1:00:29.119,1:00:31.440

friends along the way and i want to see

1:00:30.640,1:00:33.599

how everything

1:00:31.440,1:00:34.559

turns out to be because it kind of feels

1:00:33.599,1:00:37.599

like

1:00:34.559,1:00:40.000

she kind of ran out of ideas and just

1:00:37.599,1:00:41.280

said i'll close the story and that's it

1:00:40.000,1:00:44.000

you know what we're doing a nice

1:00:41.280,1:00:45.599

epilogue um if everyone there because

1:00:44.000,1:00:47.599

obviously it wasn't just the students at

1:00:45.599,1:00:48.240

hogwarts but everyone catches the train

1:00:47.599,1:00:50.960

back

1:00:48.240,1:00:51.839

and then there's just a carriage of

1:00:50.960,1:00:54.160

molly and

1:00:51.839,1:00:55.200

and mr weasley all the other weasleys

1:00:54.160,1:00:57.839

ginny and

1:00:55.200,1:00:59.119

neville and luna everyone crammed in and

1:00:57.839,1:01:00.880

then they just still have the tray

1:00:59.119,1:01:02.319

coming by with cauldron cakes and

1:01:00.880,1:01:04.720

pumpkin pasties

1:01:02.319,1:01:05.760

and they just talk like just a just a

1:01:04.720,1:01:07.839

conversational

1:01:05.760,1:01:08.880

last chapter where they just talk about

1:01:07.839,1:01:11.040

what they're gonna do

1:01:08.880,1:01:12.079

yeah because we went through seven long

1:01:11.040,1:01:15.119

books and

1:01:12.079,1:01:16.000

it just ended so quickly i needed one

1:01:15.119,1:01:18.319

more dialogue

1:01:16.000,1:01:20.000

even i needed that dialogue on the train

1:01:18.319,1:01:20.880

so when we started talking about harry

1:01:20.000,1:01:22.799

potter i think

1:01:20.880,1:01:24.480

like i said it was episode three of this

1:01:22.799,1:01:25.680

podcast or whatever we kind of thought

1:01:24.480,1:01:27.520

it would be interesting to know what it

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would be like to read these books

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as an adult seeing as how most of the

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people we know that have read them

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have read them as kids and i think it's

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safe to say that

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like for you peter at least it didn't

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make a really big difference like

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it seemed like you enjoyed them as much

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as we did when we were kids

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right yeah i feel like harry potter

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like especially sometimes for guys like

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i feel like this is a big thing

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recently with men's health like a lot of

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guys don't express

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sort of like their sort of feelings

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as much with growing up and stuff

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and i feel like harry potter was like a

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really good sort of

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mental resource for people like it would

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have been great growing up to read it as

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well but even now i still had a lot of

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like

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residual sort of feelings about it and

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harry potter was just a really great

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sort of therapeutic way to think about

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like childhood again

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and i'm 22 for reference

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and i i'm glad i read it when i'm 22

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actually

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i could have read it earlier but i don't

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know if i could say

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i'm glad i'm mature enough to read it

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because some of the earlier books

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were okay for children as well but i

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feel like i've

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i just i've reflected a lot as an as an

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older person and not in a

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not in a literary way where i'm thinking

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about the themes of the book but just

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just how i felt about it you know

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there's probably no one listening at

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this point who hasn't read it if you've

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got this far

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there's so many things spoiled so i

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don't think there's any point in saying

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uh if you're 22 read it because no no

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one's listening to it at that point but

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if you were at all interested about a

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person that was

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not only hadn't read it but was almost a

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little bit

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skeptical about reading it like i sort

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of laughed off when people say like i'm

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not a harry potter i'm not into wizards

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like leave me alone you know it it's

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converted me

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convert is the right thing i feel like

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i've almost got indoctrinated into a

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religion

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but i've gone so willingly so i think i

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read it over probably seven or eight

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weeks

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best seven or eight weeks of my life

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really it was just

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amazing to read because i didn't take a

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break between the books i just

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felt like i just lived to be honest and