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18 - They Took Our Sky - Firefly and Serenity

Our humble adventurers learn that there’s more to life than fame, riches and friendship if you have a boat. In space.

Episode Breakdown:

  • Peter tells us about his progress through the Harry Potter books (00:01:07).
  • We then move on to our Tavern Talk segment, in which we discuss the biggest question - what makes a person good? (00:04:43)
  • We then start the main discussion by introducing the TV series Firefly and the Movie Serenity (00:26:22).
  • We then discuss our general thoughts about the show and our personal experience of watching it (00:31:04).
  • We then focus specifically on the movie for a while (00:38:14).
  • We hit upon the struggles between Fox and Whedon in regards to the show (00:42:16).
  • We talk about our favorite characters from the show (00:43:49).
  • We move on and discuss the soundtrack of the show (00:49:42).
  • We talk about if we would bring the show back today, if we could (00:52:12).
  • We mention our favorite episodes (00:56:11).
  • We preview the topic of our next episode - Queen’s live album Live in Wembley Stadium 1986.
  • Stick around and catch the promo clip for the Geeksploration podcast (@geeksplorepod)!

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Cover art by Azeecreations .

‘Celebration’ theme by Alexander Nakarada ( www.serpentsoundstudios.com ).

Firefly Theme by Sonny Rhodes, Played by Ynon Hermon.


The episode was recorded on April 18th, and originally released on May 17th, 2020.


Episode Transcript

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in today's episode

we start off by discussing what makes a


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good person in our tavern talk segment

our main discussion is about joss


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whedon's firefly and the subsequent

movie serenity and we preview the


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subject of our next episode

queens live at wembley stadium from


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1986.


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hello and welcome to the culture quest

hello


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we are but humble adventurers and today

we all want to be cowboys and astronauts


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and have adventures with guns and cool

slang and stuff


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with me as always are peter hello and

Baryo


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hello and i am Ynon thank you the

listeners at home for taking part in our


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noble quest

so let me ask you a couple of questions


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uh

just you know out of curiosity sure


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first peter um you've been reading harry

potter for a while now


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uh yeah i'm i'm through book one and

i'm probably 90 through book two


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so um i don't know what they call harry

potter fans potterheads


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sure all right i'm just making it up but

sounds right um


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well yeah i'm a pot of head oh i'm

already like


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so into it now i like i've already

bought like a floating wand pen


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for work when we get out of this

quarantine organizing like a


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like a movie marathon when i get through

all seven books


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i'm gonna be having like cauldron drinks

and like


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all these magical jelly bean things and

gonna have like a diagonally shot oh


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it's gonna be cool it's gonna be cool

that sounds really good i'm really


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holding myself from saying

anything about the books and the movies


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because i want you to have you know like

your own experience of it


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yeah yeah it was um i'm really having a

good time with it actually like i'm


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sort of got all the imaginary characters

and all the


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all the rooms and all the buildings and

stuff in my head so it's going to be


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weird when i watch the movies because

obviously you know


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people are going to look different to

what you thought and stuff like that so


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like yeah they sort of give you a decent

description of all the characters


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but then i heard like a few years ago um

apparently like


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her hermione herm hermione hermit

hermione


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yeah very difficult it's lovely or sod

not laviol


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she's got like light brown hair and

stuff in the in the books and stuff but


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then apparently i

i thought she was this pale girl but


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then apparently like

jk rowling was just like no she's black


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yeah like she's she's african-american

sort of i'm like


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what like what i think

yeah i think she was just trying to be


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like super woke or something but

i don't think anyone believes that but


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whatever

like just trying to like shoehorn some


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diversity or something into it but like

yeah


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apparently wizards don't exist so i i

have to say i'm really happy that you're


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having fun with it because

i never knew how it what what kind of an


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experience it would be

for someone who didn't read the books as


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a kid yeah it's a bit of an

experiment isn't it like um because i i


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really haven't watched or read anything

i know harry i know


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ron don't really know this hermione girl

but


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um uh and like you don't know anyone

else so


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i don't know the the villain who plays

hans gruber


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is in the movies but i don't know who he

plays so i love hillary


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clinton alan rickman yeah yeah i'm not

going to say anything


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i don't want to spoil it yeah but um i

don't want to put it in your head


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absolutely amazing writing as well so i

don't listen to


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um or read much fiction but like really

good


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my my um my dad's actually um

reading another book by robert galbraith


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i think it is which is also

a jk rowling pseudonym so so


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um so obviously it's it's good for like

children good for adult children like me


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and good for adult adults


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cool um another thing i wanted to ask

bara did you let your mom listen to the


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mom's classics episode i wanted to kind

of hear what she has to say about it


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no not yet not yet um okay if you

do intend to do that i'll be waiting for


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an update yeah sure

cool okay so we're going to be talking


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about joss whedon's firefly and serenity

today


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um but before we have our main

discussion we always enjoy


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a bit of tavern talk

in today's seven talk we want to talk


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about what makes a person good

this is based on an ask reddit post that


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buyers come upon recently

by user gay space angel so what do you


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guys think

makes a person good um do you want to


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start yeah well i

it's a hard question it's a big question


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yeah yeah

like it's hard to even start i mean like


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what

is good um is something good


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because it's not bad or goodness exists

as something of itself like


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if i don't do any harm does that

immediately say


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that i'm good or do i have to be active

in order to be good there's another


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question about the

locality of your acts like i guess


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mainly when we're talking about good or

bad we're talking about actions because


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well you either do or don't do anything

because i guess it's not


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enough to be good only in your thoughts

you have to take it to the real world


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because if the question is about a

person then


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person is part of a society i guess or

part of its environment and then


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like the way to judge a person is

according to his


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acts i don't know for from my

perspective that's that's kind of where


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where it starts my personal opinion is

that


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you just need to be compassionate about

your local environment


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i think that that will probably make you

what will make you


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a good a good person like you don't have

to


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understand the whole complexity of it

because it's impossible


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you know um my father is vegetarian and

i keep


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getting into these agreements with him

because


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you can be vegan and you can be a

vegetarian


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the thing with it is that i keep asking

him why are you just a vegetarian and


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not

and not vegan and when you're a vegan


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why do you say that only

animals with this and that complexity


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are in the scope of uh

i don't want to make you suffer so there


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are some vegans that also

don't eat honey because it's uh you know


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you exploit bees for it

and like this it's it's kind of a


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slippery slope

where you kind of say well why just bugs


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why not

plants and if plants why not all


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bacteria

and and that's kind of like my my


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feeling is when you try to be

too good in in a global sense so i think


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like

the being a good person is just


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being kind of aware of your local

environment


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especially to other people and you know

just try


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not to do harm and and to help where you

can


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that's my take on it so i think there's

sort of two levels


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for this what makes a person good

there's the level


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at which we encourage people to do

things so like


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we incentivize people cooperating

and we incentivize altruism when we


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incentivize

sort of um contributing to society


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but then there's sort of like the deeper

level which i think is more


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true but it's to do with what is better

for society over


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over the long run right so this sort of

bumps up against just darwinism


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and um what we would say is probably

the consciousness debate that goes on


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but basically i think the concept of

someone being good


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is a little bit flawed in the fact that

when you're a baby right when you grow


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up and you're helpless and

you know you get passed on fifty percent


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of genes from your mother fifty percent

from your father


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you grow up in a certain environment and

then people say well


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half of your personality is from your

genes half of


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from you know your society and then

there's all this


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studies about what the breakdown and

what the sort of causes are right


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but what my argument would be is that

none of it is


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really in your control your genes aren't

in your control


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your environment isn't in your control

being born wasn't in your control which


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i think we've had this

sort of discussion before but i just


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think the fact that someone

being a better person than another


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person is just it's just

i just don't think it makes any sense if


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you want to

talk about in sort of like a responsible


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way as in like someone is responsible

for being good because if in some


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metaphysical separate universe where

we're not in bodies we're just we're


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just pure thought

and we didn't have all these desires


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thrust upon us by

evolution and we all had the exact same


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circumstance all had the exact same

incentive structure we would all want to


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be good

i i just think the only thing that like


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if you want to do the audit trail of why

someone did something bad


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you can trace it to the synapse that

made them do something


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you know so i just think saying

someone's a good person is


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is is relevant to say well who do you

want in your basketball team


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like who's a better basketball player

but i don't think it really matters like


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in the true sense of if someone's like

can be looked at objectively as a better


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person than another

but in fact i think you could just call


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it luck

right but i think um when you talk about


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what makes

what we encourage as a society right


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which is right because if you don't

encourage


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good things then it's is this going to

be a bad


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society to live in right i think that's

definitely world dependent so there's


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like a separate universe

where there's just people just looting


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and people chasing down the looters

there's all these sort of


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like vigilantes and stuff like that but

it just has they've just reached like a


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nash

equilibrium where everything is just in


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balance

everyone sort of steals enough so they


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can eat it

people fighting crime sort of benefit


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enough and like

so the morality of that that earth you


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could say

is just you grow up and you say oh am i


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gonna be you know criminal that's

just that's holy that's fine that's


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contributing to society

or am i gonna be like this vigilante


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sort of

just going against the laws and trying


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to stop people and stuff so

even though it doesn't sound like like a


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utopia

to us maybe that is just that's just the


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best it can get for that world so i just

i just think


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there's no objective set of

characteristics that can make someone


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good but i think if you just did a

simple test well it's not a simple test


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but it's like

if you want to see how the volume of


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someone's like body

you put them in a bathtub you see how


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much the water raises by right

and then you can you know you probably


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know the dimensions of the bathtub more

than the dimensions of the human shape


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thing so but in a similar sense

if you remove the person from the


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society

if you could somehow track two traces of


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the earth

one with them and one without them and


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you could just measure everyone's sort

of conscious state


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and if it's better in one universe and

worse than another


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then you can say that person is a good

person and that how good they are is


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just depends on the difference they make

so and i and i i don't think any of that


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goodness

can be traced back to anything that's


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they've created themselves

pretty simple so okay but


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what you're saying is well first you're

saying that there is like a


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theoretically

way to measure it but it's not practical


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right because you're saying

it it's not no it's not practical i mean


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it's practical in some sense in like

you can do like your own experiment


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where if you have two groups of

kindergartners right like two groups of


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four

so it's just a bunch of boys and they're


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playing games and you

put this extra person into the game for


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a week

and then you know seem to be having more


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fun or something's going better then you

put


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another person in you exchange that

person out for another person that's


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going terribly

you can say well this person is better


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for that

for that group like that they mesh well


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right

so if you could you know you just have


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to abstract that to say well

if you put that this person into a world


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not just

uh it's just the world is just a bigger


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basketball match

you know it's just yeah but in that


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basketball match there's a bunch of

uncontrollables


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i know but the thing is that's why you

can't do a


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perfect abstraction to see what a

person's effect


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of the world would be but then there

if you just say there's no other point


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no other

life on other planets it's just it's


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just earth right

then in my understanding if you put


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someone into a world say you're just

god right you put someone into the world


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and

mostly it just doesn't change the world


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but there's a slight like where this

person goes there's a slight unhappiness


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compared to what it would be if they

just weren't in the world


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right then i don't think there's any

argument you can say well


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this person is a good person but this

world doesn't like them


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i just think that there's no such thing

as that good


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standard it's just the world is

everything there's


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if this person makes the world better

they're a good person and if they


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if they don't they're not a good person

by by definition


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dreaming up another scenario where they

would fit in better


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doesn't make them better but what is the

scale


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like according to what do you measure

that the world just gotten better


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oh sorry i didn't mention i would just

measure it obviously this is all


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theoretical again but

um i would just measure it by simple


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amount of pleasure people get so just

like the hedonic calculator as some


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great

philosopher probably said yeah but


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that's why it's not really practical

because it's not something you can


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measure

so no it's not practical it's definitely


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not practical let me bring you back to

the smaller question


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like what do you do to make yourself

okay good person yeah that's what i


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consider like the first level so the

second level is like


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on a universal basis the first level is

just like what do we encourage


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to make life better for everyone i know

i just say


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well i think what barrier said is

probably the best thing compassion for


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people around you

compassion is more important than most


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other things imagine

i've got a notepad in front of me but


0:15:08.560,0:15:13.040

imagine a mountain right

so it just goes up and then down so it's


0:15:13.040,0:15:16.720

like an upside down v

right so you're trying to be a good


0:15:16.720,0:15:20.720

person right

and you're just helping out everyone you


0:15:20.720,0:15:23.199

liked

right so you don't have compassion in a


0:15:23.199,0:15:27.680

sense that anyone you don't like you

don't have the compassion to start like


0:15:27.680,0:15:31.680

them but anyone you do like

you're you will you will help out just


0:15:31.680,0:15:36.880

because it's in nature right yeah

well you can go all the way up that


0:15:36.880,0:15:40.079

upside down v to get to the top and you

can be the most moral


0:15:40.079,0:15:46.240

person right if you don't

come across anyone you don't like


0:15:46.240,0:15:51.680

because in this hypothetical world

you like everyone you meet just because


0:15:51.680,0:15:57.279

that's you happen to meet people you

you like right but the world's not like


0:15:57.279,0:16:00.959

an upside down v

it's like an upside down v with lots of


0:16:00.959,0:16:05.120

jigs and jags in it right

so you're going up but then you're going


0:16:05.120,0:16:07.279

down then you're going up then you're

going down


0:16:07.279,0:16:10.880

and you want to get still to the top

like the the what you


0:16:10.880,0:16:15.519

say is like the not the local peak the

global peak or whatever


0:16:15.519,0:16:21.279

right but if you just go up

to the top and then on both sides like


0:16:21.279,0:16:24.320

onto your little peak right on both

sides of you


0:16:24.320,0:16:27.920

are going to be downs right there's

going to be a step down


0:16:27.920,0:16:31.040

so you're going to have to take a step

down to get back up


0:16:31.040,0:16:35.040

to another taller peak right until and

you do that until you can get to the


0:16:35.040,0:16:39.440

biggest peak

but for me compassion is what is going


0:16:39.440,0:16:46.079

down on those peaks it's doing something

that is not intuitive to you


0:16:46.079,0:16:49.759

because you know it's the right thing to

do so it's like a it's like a


0:16:49.759,0:16:54.720

meta value it's like it's i'm i'm doing

something


0:16:54.720,0:16:58.880

that i don't want to do because i want

to do something that's greater than


0:16:58.880,0:17:03.199

any of these small little things i want

to i want to be a compassionate person


0:17:03.199,0:17:07.679

so yeah um for me compassion gets you

out of all these little


0:17:07.679,0:17:12.000

tight spots like where you could easily

go to another country just


0:17:12.000,0:17:17.520

hate everyone in this country and not

realize how good it could be if you


0:17:17.520,0:17:20.799

could actually

just find it in your heart to actually


0:17:20.799,0:17:23.919

be compassionate for people you don't

usually


0:17:23.919,0:17:27.679

sort of talk with you know so yeah i

think compassion is the most important


0:17:27.679,0:17:31.360

here's what i've got i like i like to

think that a person is good


0:17:31.360,0:17:35.200

if they take the time to think about the

situation they're in and decide to do


0:17:35.200,0:17:38.320

the right thing

even or especially when it might


0:17:38.320,0:17:41.280

discomfort them

you know like not someone who does good


0:17:41.280,0:17:46.160

things when they're easy to do

or when it benefits them i'm not talking


0:17:46.160,0:17:49.360

about

someone who you know would necessarily


0:17:49.360,0:17:52.640

commit their life to doing the right

thing or or to


0:17:52.640,0:17:55.760

help other people all the time on

expense of


0:17:55.760,0:18:00.160

their own life but like you know it can

be small things like if you notice that


0:18:00.160,0:18:03.039

something needs to be done

around the house and you can do it


0:18:03.039,0:18:05.360

because it helps everyone instead of

ignoring it


0:18:05.360,0:18:09.200

and and doing your own stuff or it can

be bigger stuff like taking the time to


0:18:09.200,0:18:11.919

help others

even if you don't have to you know like


0:18:11.919,0:18:15.200

staying late at work

and help a colleague and stopping and


0:18:15.200,0:18:18.320

helping someone on the side of the road

to change your tarot something


0:18:18.320,0:18:21.679

you know there are things that take more

time and energy from you but if you know


0:18:21.679,0:18:24.160

that they're

the right things to do and you're


0:18:24.160,0:18:27.200

willing to do them i think it makes you

a good person


0:18:27.200,0:18:30.400

so like i think to implement this idea

in your life you have to start with


0:18:30.400,0:18:33.600

small things and

build on that like i'm not again i'm not


0:18:33.600,0:18:37.200

talking about

going out of your way to to be the best


0:18:37.200,0:18:39.760

person

you can be you know be aware of your


0:18:39.760,0:18:43.520

surroundings and

do the right thing even if it's not the


0:18:43.520,0:18:47.200

best thing for you

would you think maybe that could be


0:18:47.200,0:18:51.840

summarized as having good intentions

i'm not sure you know they say that you


0:18:51.840,0:18:56.640

know the the road to hell

is paved with good intentions um well


0:18:56.640,0:19:00.799

i'm i'm not sure if someone

if someone who just messed up his entire


0:19:00.799,0:19:04.080

life and and caused a lot of suffering

but it was all


0:19:04.080,0:19:07.280

in accident you know he was filled with

good intentions


0:19:07.280,0:19:11.039

isn't he he's considered to be a good

person one that you


0:19:11.039,0:19:16.640

maybe won't want to be around but

but a good person nonetheless yeah just


0:19:16.640,0:19:22.080

on that information based on my calculus

not a good person but that's just based


0:19:22.080,0:19:26.320

on my calculation

of he didn't do anything like good at


0:19:26.320,0:19:28.960

all

like he was he was had good intentions


0:19:28.960,0:19:32.240

but he just

slippery fingers was just couldn't


0:19:32.240,0:19:36.480

accomplish anything and he just died

no one took any lessons from it but


0:19:36.480,0:19:39.840

sometimes having good intentions is

better than what you do


0:19:39.840,0:19:42.880

sometimes it's just passing those good

intentions on to your


0:19:42.880,0:19:46.240

kids or something like that and they can

do something good because if


0:19:46.240,0:19:49.440

if for instance the world was really

good for one generation where everyone


0:19:49.440,0:19:52.720

had bad intentions but

everything just worked out everyone had


0:19:52.720,0:19:55.840

bad intentions but everyone was really

happy


0:19:55.840,0:19:59.520

i don't think it's sustainable i think

good intentions


0:19:59.520,0:20:02.720

can be bad for some things but i think

they're more sustainable


0:20:02.720,0:20:07.200

yeah i think i can tie your point back

to mine if you want no


0:20:07.200,0:20:12.720

okay so basically what i would

what i could summarize yours as is


0:20:12.720,0:20:18.320

saying given time to think

this person would realize


0:20:18.320,0:20:22.880

the proper thing to do you know so like

for instance he might make knee jerk


0:20:22.880,0:20:27.520

decisions which he'll later regret but

given time to ruminate on them and


0:20:27.520,0:20:31.039

actually reflect

he will do the right thing is that would


0:20:31.039,0:20:33.039

that be fair yeah to a certain extent

yeah


0:20:33.039,0:20:36.720

okay so how i can tie that back to

things the


0:20:36.720,0:20:41.360

society encourages in a good society

would be to say


0:20:41.360,0:20:45.360

for those people who might slip up from

time to time


0:20:45.360,0:20:49.120

but given the time to reflect they'll

actually


0:20:49.120,0:20:52.880

realize the right thing to do those

people are


0:20:52.880,0:20:56.000

easier to predict what they're going to

do in the future


0:20:56.000,0:21:00.240

so people who do decent things but don't

understand why they're doing it


0:21:00.240,0:21:03.919

are unreliable and you can't trust them

because


0:21:03.919,0:21:06.960

you don't know when their intentions or

when their incentives are going to


0:21:06.960,0:21:10.640

change

but someone who given the time will


0:21:10.640,0:21:14.000

always come

to the right decision you can actually


0:21:14.000,0:21:17.520

trust them

even if they do go a little bit off the


0:21:17.520,0:21:22.400

beaten path a little bit

you know you can trust them to do things


0:21:22.400,0:21:27.280

without you having to watch them

so that's that is what i would say is


0:21:27.280,0:21:29.840

most valuable

you know the person that does make an


0:21:29.840,0:21:35.039

odd mistake isn't really damaging

the structure of the world too much it's


0:21:35.039,0:21:39.520

it's people that just

don't have any sort of ability to


0:21:39.520,0:21:42.880

recenter themselves i don't i think we

can


0:21:42.880,0:21:46.640

combine all of it and create the best

person


0:21:46.640,0:21:50.880

in your world though in my world mine's

just like evenly balanced like


0:21:50.880,0:21:56.159

sadists and masochists yeah peter is all

about the big picture


0:21:56.159,0:21:59.360

your person is just in the middle of

this little world


0:21:59.360,0:22:02.559

you know whereas yeah you know it won't

work if you have


0:22:02.559,0:22:06.799

one of my people like if everyone has

the compassion and and thinks about


0:22:06.799,0:22:10.720

their environment

then then you can have a utopia it


0:22:10.720,0:22:14.080

collapses into like a game theoretic

pretty quick doesn't it


0:22:14.080,0:22:18.000

like roadtail is paid with good

intentions is definitely


0:22:18.000,0:22:21.520

is definitely true in that sense like if

everyone was just trying to feed


0:22:21.520,0:22:25.840

everyone else no one would ever get fed

i don't know like i always find myself


0:22:25.840,0:22:29.840

in this constant argument if it's more

of an empirical thing that you kind of


0:22:29.840,0:22:34.000

measure

the overall happiness versus suffering


0:22:34.000,0:22:37.600

and and kind of see if uh what's what's

the bottom line


0:22:37.600,0:22:41.120

or is it something that is a bit more

human maybe


0:22:41.120,0:22:47.840

that kind of like the individual matters

all of the same and and you know maybe


0:22:47.840,0:22:51.440

according to

different uh game theories you can say


0:22:51.440,0:22:54.400

that eventually

you know if you'll take care of the


0:22:54.400,0:22:57.679

individual then as the society will be

happy


0:22:57.679,0:23:01.520

as its own i think there's also like

there's all kind of


0:23:01.520,0:23:05.200

this theoretical discussion and

eventually there's


0:23:05.200,0:23:11.200

how do we act that make us better people

or what we would recommend for people to


0:23:11.200,0:23:14.559

do in order for them to be better

you probably heard about that


0:23:14.559,0:23:18.559

deterministic theory

that says like that everything is is


0:23:18.559,0:23:23.120

kind of set up in advance and if you

if you would have known you know the


0:23:23.120,0:23:27.120

exact location and velocity of

each particle in the universe you would


0:23:27.120,0:23:30.080

you would be able to say

everything that happened and everything


0:23:30.080,0:23:33.360

that will happen because it's all like

causality right


0:23:33.360,0:23:37.039

and and you know put aside chaos theory

and all that stuff


0:23:37.039,0:23:40.240

that kind of says that it's not really

possible


0:23:40.240,0:23:44.159

but um or maybe it is in some variation

but the thing is


0:23:44.159,0:23:50.799

about that theory is that it's the worst

strategy that an individual can use like


0:23:50.799,0:23:54.240

as an individual you shouldn't assume

that everything is predetermined


0:23:54.240,0:23:57.279

totally agree with this if even if it is

predetermined


0:23:57.279,0:24:00.320

i think what's interesting about this

example is


0:24:00.320,0:24:06.960

that we kind of get this logical

conclusion for not being logical right


0:24:06.960,0:24:10.960

because it says that uh on the on this

strategic level


0:24:10.960,0:24:15.600

it's better not to believe something

that is logical because it will serve us


0:24:15.600,0:24:19.279

better down the road and i think it we

can kind of


0:24:19.279,0:24:23.039

also connect it to the aspect of being a

good person because


0:24:23.039,0:24:26.720

what makes a good person in the global

scale


0:24:26.720,0:24:29.840

although it might be true isn't

necessarily


0:24:29.840,0:24:34.159

the best strategy for being a good

person in our day-to-day lives kind of


0:24:34.159,0:24:36.400

sounds like something from hitchhiker's

guide


0:24:36.400,0:24:40.799

it does yeah i actually do so i actually

do believe this so like


0:24:40.799,0:24:44.880

it's for instance the book is already of

your life is already written


0:24:44.880,0:24:49.840

so you're on page 50 and page 52 is

already written page 72 has already


0:24:49.840,0:24:53.840

written page 136

all written right but you don't know


0:24:53.840,0:24:57.760

what's happening the next page

so if you decide to say well it's all


0:24:57.760,0:25:02.480

determined what's the point

that itself is determined or if you were


0:25:02.480,0:25:06.799

to say well screw it

i don't care i'm just gonna do as best


0:25:06.799,0:25:10.320

as i can

that's itself is determined it's it's


0:25:10.320,0:25:13.200

it's

just because it's determined doesn't


0:25:13.200,0:25:15.760

mean any of these thoughts that you have

don't


0:25:15.760,0:25:20.400

matter so and you never know what's

around the corner you never know what


0:25:20.400,0:25:24.720

good you can do

so the determinism thing for me is is


0:25:24.720,0:25:28.000

less important the more you think about

it but


0:25:28.000,0:25:31.200

i think what barrio is saying is really

important


0:25:31.200,0:25:35.440

um if you sort of act in a way that

you're trying to


0:25:35.440,0:25:41.919

preserve your global moral values

then that's not actually that useful the


0:25:41.919,0:25:44.159

most useful thing you can do is just be

honest


0:25:44.159,0:25:48.159

be loyal you know be critical of

yourself and all this stuff


0:25:48.159,0:25:51.520

because that stuff is much more workable

than thinking about


0:25:51.520,0:25:57.520

like the balance of suffering and

pleasure and all these hedonic calculus


0:25:57.520,0:26:01.200

and all this stuff

so even though i do heavily subscribe to


0:26:01.200,0:26:04.720

the

balance of suffering and pleasure it's


0:26:04.720,0:26:07.440

just not useful

day to day yeah we should become a


0:26:07.440,0:26:10.799

philosophy podcast

yeah i think we're on our way the


0:26:10.799,0:26:22.400

question if it's the best strategy to be

a philosophical podcast


0:26:22.400,0:26:25.679

this week we're talking about the tv

series firefly


0:26:25.679,0:26:31.360

and the movie serenity on firefly the

series ran for half a season in 2002 and


0:26:31.360,0:26:34.880

2003

and then it was cancelled to the dismay


0:26:34.880,0:26:38.559

of many fans

serenity the movie came out in 2005 to


0:26:38.559,0:26:41.279

basically

um finish the story you know let the


0:26:41.279,0:26:46.400

fans of the show have a bit of closure

the show created by joss whedon of the


0:26:46.400,0:26:50.080

avengers fame

is a mixture of the sci-fi and western


0:26:50.080,0:26:53.039

genres

it takes place in a future in which


0:26:53.039,0:26:57.600

humanity is spread across the galaxy

uh but it focuses mainly on the out of


0:26:57.600,0:27:01.039

rim planets

in which you know the living is hard and


0:27:01.039,0:27:05.360

people end up living

in kind of an old-fashioned way um the


0:27:05.360,0:27:08.480

series follows

malcolm reynolds played by nathan


0:27:08.480,0:27:11.760

fillion um

and his crew he is the captain of a


0:27:11.760,0:27:15.760

firefly type cargo ship

named serenity and a few years before


0:27:15.760,0:27:19.919

the story begins

malcolm or mal fought in a civil war


0:27:19.919,0:27:22.799

against

the unification of the galaxy under one


0:27:22.799,0:27:27.120

governmental body

known as the alliance and the alliances


0:27:27.120,0:27:29.760

won the war

and throughout the show we kind of see


0:27:29.760,0:27:36.799

the alliance it's presented as this

cold rigid unforgiving militaristic body


0:27:36.799,0:27:40.480

people who who look to avoid living

under the alliance's rule


0:27:40.480,0:27:45.039

tend to go to these outer rim planets

where either the alliance impact is less


0:27:45.039,0:27:47.520

felt

or you know the alliance is just not


0:27:47.520,0:27:50.880

interested in

so mel who was on the losing side of the


0:27:50.880,0:27:55.600

war he always kind of seemed to put

freedom and honor above anything else


0:27:55.600,0:27:58.399

and the crew of the serenity they travel

around the galaxy


0:27:58.399,0:28:02.320

in search for jobs they can do some are

more legitimate


0:28:02.320,0:28:05.600

some are not so much so here's a quote

from the show


0:28:05.600,0:28:10.320

the rerun version of the show has this

opening dialogue so here's a part of it


0:28:10.320,0:28:13.840

it says out here people struggle to get

by with the most


0:28:13.840,0:28:17.120

basic technologies a ship would bring

you work


0:28:17.120,0:28:20.799

a gun would help you keep it a captain's

goal was simple


0:28:20.799,0:28:25.760

find a crew find a job keep flying

i think that kind of sums the whole show


0:28:25.760,0:28:30.640

up yeah that's cool

yeah i really like it so um the the crew


0:28:30.640,0:28:34.799

of the serenity

is made of zoe uh she's played by gina


0:28:34.799,0:28:37.760

taurus

she's the first officer on the serenity


0:28:37.760,0:28:41.760

she fought with malcolm in the war

there's this kind of unbreakable trust


0:28:41.760,0:28:46.480

between them between her and

mal there's wash played by alan tudyk


0:28:46.480,0:28:50.960

he's a pilot of the serenity um and he's

also zoe's husband


0:28:50.960,0:28:55.520

he's kind of the funny guy on the ship

there's jane played by adam baldwin


0:28:55.520,0:28:59.120

he's the muscle kind of the weapons

expert of the crew


0:28:59.120,0:29:03.520

kind of a dumb and unsophisticated

character um there's kaylie played by


0:29:03.520,0:29:06.960

jill state

she's the ship's mechanic she's not


0:29:06.960,0:29:10.960

trained in any way as a mechanic but she

seems to have this intuitive way to do


0:29:10.960,0:29:15.840

things there's

inara played by miranda baccarin she's


0:29:15.840,0:29:20.080

not exactly part of the crew

she's a professional companion which in


0:29:20.080,0:29:24.000

this

universe or verse it's is basically


0:29:24.000,0:29:28.000

kind of a geisha or an escort which is a

highly regarded profession


0:29:28.000,0:29:32.480

in in the verse she has this mutualistic

relationship with serenity she gets to


0:29:32.480,0:29:34.799

travel

around with them and thus reach more


0:29:34.799,0:29:38.720

customers and

her presence on the serenity gives it a


0:29:38.720,0:29:42.159

bit of legitimacy you know it allows

them to act with a bit more freedom than


0:29:42.159,0:29:44.559

they

otherwise could have in the first


0:29:44.559,0:29:48.080

episode of the show we see the serenity

pick up a few passengers most of them


0:29:48.080,0:29:52.880

kind of stick around and become regulars

on the show there's simon and river tam


0:29:52.880,0:29:58.480

played by sean marr and summer glau

simon he's a doctor and his sister river


0:29:58.480,0:30:01.760

they're running away from the alliance

we we find out quickly that they're


0:30:01.760,0:30:05.440

fugitives um simon becomes part of the

crew as a doctor


0:30:05.440,0:30:09.520

and river she seems to be this troubled

but very gifted person


0:30:09.520,0:30:13.520

she was a captive of the alliance we

learned throughout the episodes


0:30:13.520,0:30:17.200

and throughout the series and the movie

their story their the


0:30:17.200,0:30:21.600

simon and river storyline is basically

the main plot line


0:30:21.600,0:30:24.960

the last character is a guy called

shepard book


0:30:24.960,0:30:28.720

he is a religious man basically he's

like a traveling pastor


0:30:28.720,0:30:31.919

he seems to be the voice of morality in

the show kind of


0:30:31.919,0:30:36.080

clashes with mal a bit it's also

suggested that his past


0:30:36.080,0:30:39.760

is not as clean as it is presented to be

in the show


0:30:39.760,0:30:45.360

and serenity is in a way both the home

and the provider of the crew kind of


0:30:45.360,0:30:47.840

sometimes referred to as another crew

member


0:30:47.840,0:30:51.679

now the tv series follows the adventures

of the crew of the serenity


0:30:51.679,0:30:55.679

it kind of explores themes like freedom

and loyalty and living on the fringes of


0:30:55.679,0:30:58.960

society

it slowly builds the story of the tam


0:30:58.960,0:31:02.720

siblings but it was cut short

so the movie picks things up and


0:31:02.720,0:31:07.360

finishes the story

um so that's basically it what did you


0:31:07.360,0:31:10.480

guys think of the show

of the movie how was your experience


0:31:10.480,0:31:14.960

watching the whole thing

so i i tried watching it once and i fell


0:31:14.960,0:31:17.279

asleep

and i didn't return to it ever since


0:31:17.279,0:31:21.679

because i don't know it didn't

didn't really add up to me but i kept


0:31:21.679,0:31:24.480

hearing

really great things about it like it


0:31:24.480,0:31:28.320

became um

this cult serious that everyone mourns


0:31:28.320,0:31:32.720

for about its

consolation yeah so i


0:31:32.720,0:31:36.480

so when when you suggested that i

thought wow that's that's a great


0:31:36.480,0:31:42.159

opportunity to give it another shot

and man i'm glad we did because i just


0:31:42.159,0:31:46.240

binged it

in about two or three days and i got


0:31:46.240,0:31:50.080

really sucked into the i think if you

got time to


0:31:50.080,0:31:53.919

just get sucked in into it you get a lot

more than


0:31:53.919,0:31:59.679

watching uh an episode here and there

you get into the into the writers in the


0:31:59.679,0:32:05.360

director's mind and you kind of

get the jokes better you kind of get the


0:32:05.360,0:32:08.960

flow the vibe

the interactions the relationships a lot


0:32:08.960,0:32:13.760

more better you're more aware

once you're you're on that on that flow


0:32:13.760,0:32:17.279

and

it's a great one i understand now


0:32:17.279,0:32:20.480

exactly what all those uh fanboys and

girls


0:32:20.480,0:32:26.240

talked about it was much much better

than than i initially expected


0:32:26.240,0:32:29.440

it's hard to believe it's from so long

ago


0:32:29.440,0:32:32.559

yeah it came out almost like 18 years

ago yeah that's that's


0:32:32.559,0:32:38.240

crazy it really really holds up it

brings a lot of very interesting


0:32:38.240,0:32:40.559

elements

that you would never think will work


0:32:40.559,0:32:44.799

together and they just do

the concept of a western in outer space


0:32:44.799,0:32:48.399

the concept of kind of like this

american wildlife and


0:32:48.399,0:32:52.799

and japanese uh culture chinese chinese

culture right


0:32:52.799,0:32:56.559

it just works i i really enjoyed it and

i


0:32:56.559,0:33:00.640

completely joined the fan base and the

mourners


0:33:00.640,0:33:05.039

that say that damn there's so much more

that i want to understand about that


0:33:05.039,0:33:07.919

universe and

and now that it's cancelled we will


0:33:07.919,0:33:13.440

never get to how about you peter um

so the first episode was enjoyable i was


0:33:13.440,0:33:16.880

watching of you guys

and um this is definitely one of those


0:33:16.880,0:33:22.399

serieses that i've heard

um countless times recommended not


0:33:22.399,0:33:27.120

not necessarily recommend directly but

it has a bit of a cult following


0:33:27.120,0:33:31.360

and um the first episode was quite

interesting i thought you know the


0:33:31.360,0:33:33.760

character development was pretty good

just for this


0:33:33.760,0:33:38.080

sort of double episode and then when i

started watching it


0:33:38.080,0:33:44.399

like um by myself the first maybe

two episodes sort of were a bit slow


0:33:44.399,0:33:47.600

like i was enjoying it it was actually

really well


0:33:47.600,0:33:52.240

made and i could see that but it didn't

really connect with me too much it was


0:33:52.240,0:33:56.159

sort of just uh

just something nice to put on and then


0:33:56.159,0:33:58.640

as i got into like the middle episodes

so


0:33:58.640,0:34:01.760

definitely episode six with the our mrs

reynolds


0:34:01.760,0:34:06.080

um thought that was um a really good

episode then i sort of started


0:34:06.080,0:34:09.359

like connecting with the characters more

and


0:34:09.359,0:34:13.440

that i realized that the plots were

really quite interesting for 45 minutes


0:34:13.440,0:34:16.000

it was

they cover so much more than just like


0:34:16.000,0:34:20.639

an ncis sort of drama

it was every new episode had like a


0:34:20.639,0:34:25.119

different planet they go

to or like a different sort of emergency


0:34:25.119,0:34:28.720

and there wasn't like a sitcom where you

just get them all sitting on the couch


0:34:28.720,0:34:31.520

going oh

what are we doing today chinese food you


0:34:31.520,0:34:35.760

know it was it's very much

like every episode felt like a season


0:34:35.760,0:34:38.720

finale for something

so it became very interesting around so


0:34:38.720,0:34:43.440

that the middle episodes

and then um and then from out of gas


0:34:43.440,0:34:48.079

onwards

they all felt like mini movies


0:34:48.079,0:34:51.760

to me like out of gas was um one of my

favorites


0:34:51.760,0:34:56.079

they were running out of oxygen and um

has all those flashbacks of


0:34:56.079,0:35:00.240

mao and um that was like one of my

favorite episodes and then after that


0:35:00.240,0:35:06.880

like how they do the hospital heist the

one where um mel and wash were


0:35:06.880,0:35:10.640

being tortured and then the antique

weapon


0:35:10.640,0:35:14.720

and the guy in the yeah just there's

just so many good moments


0:35:14.720,0:35:19.680

i can't believe like i felt like i

experienced way more than one season


0:35:19.680,0:35:24.720

i feel like i wouldn't i don't connect

with characters in 14 episodes as


0:35:24.720,0:35:29.040

quickly as i

i ever have watching this like it


0:35:29.040,0:35:32.079

it's just amazing and i think the reason

is because


0:35:32.079,0:35:36.240

especially towards the back half of the

season everything is like an emergency


0:35:36.240,0:35:42.160

there's no normal flying normal jobs

i mean the closest you could say is the


0:35:42.160,0:35:46.720

is where they're trying to

save the um companion trained


0:35:46.720,0:35:51.280

friend of an arrow yeah um in the heart

of gold i guess that was a normal-ish


0:35:51.280,0:35:55.760

job but i mean even still is

you know it was off the rails it wasn't


0:35:55.760,0:35:59.760

regular work for them

yeah but it just felt like the second


0:35:59.760,0:36:02.560

half of the season was

a little bit more intense in the first


0:36:02.560,0:36:05.839

half and or

maybe it was a little bit me as well


0:36:05.839,0:36:08.000

maybe i was just sort of settling into

it but


0:36:08.000,0:36:12.079

i feel like the dire circumstances that

they were coming up against


0:36:12.079,0:36:18.079

sort of bring the crew closer together

every time so um it's constantly


0:36:18.079,0:36:23.599

watching them sort of spread apart and

come back together and spread apart come


0:36:23.599,0:36:27.200

back together and

yeah you can see they have like really


0:36:27.200,0:36:32.160

strong bonds so yeah

by the season finale i was absolutely at


0:36:32.160,0:36:36.160

my height

of interest for this show so um i


0:36:36.160,0:36:39.839

i think if someone was going into it and

watched maybe the first couple episodes


0:36:39.839,0:36:43.599

and weren't

super into it definitely stay definitely


0:36:43.599,0:36:48.400

definitely keep watching because

i think um maybe if you're like me


0:36:48.400,0:36:51.760

maybe it just takes a few more episodes

to sort of


0:36:51.760,0:36:56.079

get your hooks in and um and then the

last half of the season was just a


0:36:56.079,0:36:59.440

pleasure to watch

i have to say i really enjoyed like


0:36:59.440,0:37:02.560

watching it i

spread it across the last couple of


0:37:02.560,0:37:06.880

weeks so i watched basically

an episode a day or so and like i know


0:37:06.880,0:37:11.119

it might feel like it takes

a while to really you know be hooked by


0:37:11.119,0:37:14.640

it

but i also think that from the first


0:37:14.640,0:37:18.400

episode it kind of feels that whedon

just wait and the creator of the show


0:37:18.400,0:37:22.160

kind of knew exactly what feel and what

atmosphere he wanted to go with


0:37:22.160,0:37:26.240

you know yeah definitely like uh some

shows kind of build up


0:37:26.240,0:37:29.920

over a few episodes or or over a season

this one just goes right into it doesn't


0:37:29.920,0:37:32.880

it yeah this goes right into it i

totally agree


0:37:32.880,0:37:36.320

like it starts strong and i think that

the first and second you know the first


0:37:36.320,0:37:38.960

double episode

it's basically the introduction of


0:37:38.960,0:37:43.359

everything in the world and everything

i think it's a master class in kind of


0:37:43.359,0:37:46.079

introducing a universe i don't know it's

just


0:37:46.079,0:37:49.920

everything works and every every

character gets a bit of attention and


0:37:49.920,0:37:53.839

brings everything together

strongly i love the way that the


0:37:53.839,0:37:57.359

characters interact with each other

you know it kind of it makes it feel


0:37:57.359,0:38:00.320

like there's a lot under the surface

that we don't yet see


0:38:00.320,0:38:04.320

and it doesn't feel forced at all i

think the cast is amazing the kimchi


0:38:04.320,0:38:07.839

to win them is one of the best i can

think of the the dialogues and the


0:38:07.839,0:38:10.320

slangs are amazing

you know like old-timey and


0:38:10.320,0:38:15.359

sophisticated at the same time

just awesome now as opposed to the the


0:38:15.359,0:38:18.560

to the series

what you guys think of the movie it came


0:38:18.560,0:38:22.320

out i think three years after the show

ended or two years after


0:38:22.320,0:38:25.760

and just kind of closes everything um i

didn't


0:38:25.760,0:38:29.440

like it as much as a show like the movie

was


0:38:29.440,0:38:33.599

two hours and i would have rather three

extra episodes


0:38:33.599,0:38:36.880

like three 45-minute episodes that would

have been probably


0:38:36.880,0:38:40.400

better but it wasn't bad it was still

good like the


0:38:40.400,0:38:44.160

the especially towards the end it was um

really well


0:38:44.160,0:38:50.000

shot and it just had like an intensity

that rivaled some of the best episodes


0:38:50.000,0:38:53.359

of the show

but um i don't know i i would have


0:38:53.359,0:38:56.880

rather three

regular episodes i would rather they do


0:38:56.880,0:39:00.000

episode

15 16 17. what do you think about you


0:39:00.000,0:39:03.440

well

you definitely left at taste for more i


0:39:03.440,0:39:07.680

don't know when i watched it it

it kind of tickled all the loose ends


0:39:07.680,0:39:11.440

that

more screen time would probably like in


0:39:11.440,0:39:13.920

the tv

in the series format instead of the


0:39:13.920,0:39:18.240

movie format

i would probably answer like it


0:39:18.240,0:39:22.320

it seemed like this really interesting

universe and there are a lot of


0:39:22.320,0:39:28.720

open threads that that still exist and

it kind of felt rushed nonetheless i did


0:39:28.720,0:39:32.640

enjoy the movie i think

that what they did with the rivers i


0:39:32.640,0:39:37.839

think it's brilliant because they didn't

you never actually saw no river rivers


0:39:37.839,0:39:41.680

right rivers yeah they're basically the

the kind of


0:39:41.680,0:39:45.520

the invisible enemy that kind of floats

around all the time because


0:39:45.520,0:39:49.359

you hear legends about them but you

never really see them yeah and i love


0:39:49.359,0:39:53.280

that

you never seen anyone as terrified


0:39:53.280,0:39:57.520

as as they are when they hear about the

rivers and you never actually see them


0:39:57.520,0:40:01.280

you only

you only see what's left behind them and


0:40:01.280,0:40:04.079

you see

people go mad after they've seen it and


0:40:04.079,0:40:08.400

after

they were abused by them yeah but


0:40:08.400,0:40:11.839

the movie kind of takes it and explains

about


0:40:11.839,0:40:14.960

their origin and how it also connects to

how the


0:40:14.960,0:40:18.560

series started and it kind of wraps

everything together and


0:40:18.560,0:40:25.680

and brings back um well the belief of uh

of mal so in in that aspect they


0:40:25.680,0:40:30.240

did a brilliant work but again it was

way way too rushed


0:40:30.240,0:40:34.240

and there's so much more that that we

want to know i agree i think


0:40:34.240,0:40:38.319

like i i really like the movie i had a

lot of fun watching it i


0:40:38.319,0:40:41.440

had so much fun watching it two or three

days ago that yesterday i watched it


0:40:41.440,0:40:44.079

again

just for the fun of it i think i totally


0:40:44.079,0:40:47.119

think that they've done

the best that they can do with what they


0:40:47.119,0:40:52.000

have they had two hours to close

all the all the plot lines basically so


0:40:52.000,0:40:54.240

they i think they did the best they

could


0:40:54.240,0:40:58.400

but what are you gonna do instead of

telling the story over a few episodes


0:40:58.400,0:41:01.760

like they've

initially planned i guess they had to


0:41:01.760,0:41:05.359

quickly

just rush to the end which i agree it


0:41:05.359,0:41:08.079

feels rushed but they didn't close a lot

of threads


0:41:08.079,0:41:12.000

no they closed the main ones yeah

because like the the story of


0:41:12.000,0:41:15.520

river tam and you know her captivity

with the alliance


0:41:15.520,0:41:20.880

and the rivers they don't focus on

these plot lines every episode of the


0:41:20.880,0:41:23.680

show but

you can feel that they're building


0:41:23.680,0:41:27.839

towards it you know they're adding

details all the time and adding to the


0:41:27.839,0:41:30.560

legend of the reavers

adding to the mystery of what happened


0:41:30.560,0:41:34.960

to river which i

hate that the reavers and river have


0:41:34.960,0:41:39.520

basically the same name

yeah but then like in the movie they


0:41:39.520,0:41:43.760

have to close this plot line

and i think they you can see that what


0:41:43.760,0:41:47.520

they have

are brilliant ideas but


0:41:47.520,0:41:51.119

just thinking about what they could have

done with a few more episodes


0:41:51.119,0:41:54.640

i think they could have done something a

lot a lot better and


0:41:54.640,0:41:58.240

and just amazing it's sad that they they

got cancelled


0:41:58.240,0:42:01.599

like the first thing i did after

watching the movie and you know


0:42:01.599,0:42:05.599

finishing watching the whole thing

is going on reddit and looking for


0:42:05.599,0:42:08.000

rumors if

they're gonna bring it back someday or


0:42:08.000,0:42:11.359

not they did the movie ten years after

the series right


0:42:11.359,0:42:15.520

no the movie came out in 2005. so three

years after the series


0:42:15.520,0:42:18.640

ended what i sort of gleaned from the

internet about


0:42:18.640,0:42:22.079

why they were cancelled was just it

wasn't promoted very well


0:42:22.079,0:42:26.319

it was um sort of had a cult following

even at the time but


0:42:26.319,0:42:32.000

it was just put on at the bad times and

it wasn't marketed um to the right


0:42:32.000,0:42:35.440

people yeah it was on fox

and they they gave them the slot that


0:42:35.440,0:42:41.040

like the worst time on friday night

and for some reason i also heard that


0:42:41.040,0:42:44.160

fox

played the episodes out of order like


0:42:44.160,0:42:47.920

the episode that we watch together

which is the first one the pilot the the


0:42:47.920,0:42:52.400

one that kind of introduces everything

they played it as episode number 11 for


0:42:52.400,0:42:56.480

some reason

jesus christ and like i that's this


0:42:56.480,0:42:59.839

yeah i've read about the struggles

between whedon and and


0:42:59.839,0:43:03.280

fox they had a lot of struggles about

the tone of the show


0:43:03.280,0:43:07.200

and it kind of makes you think like who

the hell is in charge of choosing what


0:43:07.200,0:43:09.599

shows

to air and what what the hell is wrong


0:43:09.599,0:43:12.640

with them because like one of the things

that the people from fox didn't like


0:43:12.640,0:43:16.160

about the show

is that mel wasn't jolly enough like


0:43:16.160,0:43:19.359

that he wasn't

too dark and he's i don't know one of


0:43:19.359,0:43:23.280

the best characters i've seen in a while

now he's amazing i think


0:43:23.280,0:43:28.000

and if that's what you want from a show

like to have the captain more jolly


0:43:28.000,0:43:31.359

then you probably missed the point of

the show you know


0:43:31.359,0:43:35.839

they also didn't want a show about

people who live under a policy like of


0:43:35.839,0:43:39.440

under the alliance they wanted a show

about the policy makers


0:43:39.440,0:43:43.200

which again why does it matter the show

is great as it is


0:43:43.200,0:43:48.560

why why does it matter fox are sounding

a lot like the alliance


0:43:49.359,0:43:52.720

let me ask you guys um who was your

favorite character like


0:43:52.720,0:43:55.760

and i have to say in my mind when i'm

asking this question i'm kind of


0:43:55.760,0:43:58.960

assuming that it

excludes mel damn it yeah i don't know


0:43:58.960,0:44:01.200

he's kind of the center of everything i

kind of feel like


0:44:01.200,0:44:04.880

all of the characters kind of come out

of mel


0:44:04.880,0:44:08.319

i don't care you can say mal if you want

i think mel is the most complex


0:44:08.319,0:44:11.520

character but i think

one of the greatest thing about this


0:44:11.520,0:44:15.520

series is that

they all got their own interactions


0:44:15.520,0:44:18.960

between it

with each other a very fun and


0:44:18.960,0:44:23.040

interesting relationship is between zoe

and wash right because there are such


0:44:23.040,0:44:26.720

opposites even with regarding to mal

right where


0:44:26.720,0:44:31.119

where zoe is completely is completely

loyal and and wash


0:44:31.119,0:44:37.680

keeps well wash is loyal but he keeps

challenging his relationship because


0:44:37.680,0:44:44.000

joey's so so is so loyal i think

like the relationship between uh kaylee


0:44:44.000,0:44:46.880

and

the doctor is also kind of cute i really


0:44:46.880,0:44:50.400

like kaylee i think she is my favorite

well you don't you don't see enough of


0:44:50.400,0:44:54.400

her

darker shades of mood but you get these


0:44:54.400,0:44:57.839

glimpses

and i don't know she's cute and funny


0:44:57.839,0:45:02.400

and she kind of takes

the serious to more uh fun scenes


0:45:02.400,0:45:05.920

i think i i in the first episode i

really thought she's going to die


0:45:05.920,0:45:10.000

because i

i thought oh wow she she's definitely a


0:45:10.000,0:45:13.599

you know a cup of sunshine

so they're going to kill her really


0:45:13.599,0:45:18.480

early off

but luckily they didn't yeah like i said


0:45:18.480,0:45:22.400

she's cute and fun

but she's awesome because she's not dumb


0:45:22.400,0:45:26.079

you know she's useful

she's she's always ready to go and fix


0:45:26.079,0:45:29.680

the ship when it's needed

it's a great character i agree who's


0:45:29.680,0:45:34.480

yours peter um except for mel

i really like mel he's one of the best


0:45:34.480,0:45:38.240

characters i've seen

written in a tv show because the thing


0:45:38.240,0:45:42.640

about mao

before i go to my other person um


0:45:42.640,0:45:46.560

what struck me the most was just how

determined he is


0:45:46.560,0:45:53.359

for the mission he's willing to give up

anything else that like all luxuries if


0:45:53.359,0:45:57.680

if that's what it will take and i think

that's the reason why he's the captain


0:45:57.680,0:46:00.640

he knows what

what it's going to take and other people


0:46:00.640,0:46:05.760

are not willing to sort of

to go to that mental place when he just


0:46:05.760,0:46:09.280

goes straight there he just says well

this is what's going to need to be done


0:46:09.280,0:46:14.160

and everything else can absolutely f off

you know like


0:46:14.160,0:46:18.079

he he's just got such a almost like

tunnel vision for the mission


0:46:18.079,0:46:22.160

whereas the other characters are sort of

always in two minds a little bit he


0:46:22.160,0:46:25.839

he's never in two minds he always knows

exactly what he's gonna do


0:46:25.839,0:46:29.040

so and he has this sort of interesting

like business type


0:46:29.040,0:46:32.560

like if you're a part of the ship he'll

like protect you


0:46:32.560,0:46:37.040

but if you're not then he doesn't care

about you it's like such a hard line


0:46:37.040,0:46:40.720

so he still has this like interesting

code but my


0:46:40.720,0:46:43.920

if we have to exclude mel my favorite

would be


0:46:43.920,0:46:47.440

simon just because he has such an

interesting


0:46:47.440,0:46:52.160

incentives because he he needs to

protect his sister


0:46:52.160,0:46:59.839

but he also likes being on the ship and

he can't let river go um


0:46:59.839,0:47:03.280

go wild because then he'll be in trouble

as well


0:47:03.280,0:47:08.960

and he's just given up all his doctor

work and everything just to be in this


0:47:08.960,0:47:12.640

like crazy

situation and then he's also putting off


0:47:12.640,0:47:16.880

his

desire for kaylee and like whereas


0:47:16.880,0:47:20.559

whereas if you look at jane and you look

at uh wash and stuff


0:47:20.559,0:47:24.319

they can always relax at night they do a

full day's work but after it's just


0:47:24.319,0:47:28.640

chill

it's just cool but for him he's always


0:47:28.640,0:47:32.000

got to be doing something you know like

if it's not the mission then he's going


0:47:32.000,0:47:35.920

to be looking after river

if it's not that then it's government


0:47:35.920,0:47:39.200

alliance stuff

so he's always sort of under pressure i


0:47:39.200,0:47:44.480

like his portrayal of someone

who's always got got something going on


0:47:44.480,0:47:48.000

yeah i think his character goes through

like a lot of growth


0:47:48.000,0:47:52.319

throughout the series more than the

others i think yeah his politeness sort


0:47:52.319,0:47:56.079

of

takes this weird sort of journey where


0:47:56.079,0:47:58.559

he's

he's a sort of super polite person but


0:47:58.559,0:48:02.400

you can tell that it's sort of

it's weighing on him a little bit like


0:48:02.400,0:48:07.599

he he he sort of has to

put on like a like not a facade but


0:48:07.599,0:48:10.880

he needs to stay strong you know to sort

of um


0:48:10.880,0:48:14.559

think about his his broader sort of goal

of


0:48:14.559,0:48:18.160

like helping his sister yeah angry my

favorite character was


0:48:18.160,0:48:22.160

the one i connected to the most was zoe

like oh it was so fun watching


0:48:22.160,0:48:26.079

her all throughout the season she's

always so reliable and trustworthy you


0:48:26.079,0:48:29.280

know she's

smart she always gets what's going on a


0:48:29.280,0:48:32.559

lot of her interactions with mal

are you know beneath the surface they're


0:48:32.559,0:48:34.640

not even talking they're just looking at

each other


0:48:34.640,0:48:38.319

and there's this understanding and like

the fact that she also kind of


0:48:38.319,0:48:42.880

fought in the war no you know alongside

mel kind of makes me feel like she has


0:48:42.880,0:48:46.000

um also a very clear set of moral

principles


0:48:46.000,0:48:49.200

like we don't really see it throughout

the show


0:48:49.200,0:48:52.880

but the fact that she fought in the war

kind of intrigues me like


0:48:52.880,0:48:56.880

what made her fight in the war we see

mal he's always


0:48:56.880,0:49:00.640

talking about freedom and and you know

not living under


0:49:00.640,0:49:04.960

the rule of the alliance but she's more

quiet about that but she fought in the


0:49:04.960,0:49:07.280

war

that definitely means something to her


0:49:07.280,0:49:11.280

as well and also you know she's not

robotic she has a very human side and


0:49:11.280,0:49:14.400

she loves wash and he brings out a side

of her that makes her


0:49:14.400,0:49:18.160

kind of a complete person you know she's

always serious and


0:49:18.160,0:49:21.520

and ready to work and stuff but when

she's with him she's


0:49:21.520,0:49:27.119

she becomes this jokey and more relaxed

person i really liked it i never really


0:49:27.119,0:49:30.480

thought about that

um sort of side of her before the how


0:49:30.480,0:49:34.559

she can sort of

um she's got the seriousness of mao but


0:49:34.559,0:49:38.319

she doesn't really fall in this like

freedom sort of


0:49:38.319,0:49:41.680

ship that he does you know she always

has his back


0:49:41.680,0:49:45.599

i love it and um so i also wanted to

mention the soundtrack but


0:49:45.599,0:49:48.640

i kind of have the feeling that peter

you want to talk about that


0:49:48.640,0:49:51.760

now you can start off if you want i'll

chime in i don't have too much to say


0:49:51.760,0:49:56.640

but like it's

just lovely it's kind of a futuristic


0:49:56.640,0:49:59.839

space tv series the soundtrack it's

always


0:49:59.839,0:50:04.640

this acoustic guitar and and fiddles and

violins and


0:50:04.640,0:50:08.240

it makes it feel old-timey and it's

always


0:50:08.240,0:50:12.079

perfect you know it's always energetic

or sad or fun


0:50:12.079,0:50:16.240

or whatever you need it to be and like

especially i think when the movie starts


0:50:16.240,0:50:19.200

when you see the serenity

and it's crew for the first time you get


0:50:19.200,0:50:23.119

this like a really fast-paced

strumming on the acoustic guitar and


0:50:23.119,0:50:28.559

like it's it's just fills you up with

excitement and the feel of adventure and


0:50:28.559,0:50:32.319

i think they've done

an awesome job with it yeah i agree it's


0:50:32.319,0:50:36.000

um

amazing composition of uh music


0:50:36.000,0:50:40.720

it it's it's everything it's like the

main theme it's the it's the intro and


0:50:40.720,0:50:44.960

outro sequences

it's the sound effects and it's um


0:50:44.960,0:50:48.480

obviously between

scenes you get some like beautiful sort


0:50:48.480,0:50:53.200

of violin and

acoustic guitar almost like slide guitar


0:50:53.200,0:50:56.319

sometimes yeah sometimes

it's like guitar as well um yeah it's


0:50:56.319,0:50:59.680

really good i actually

i think i texted it to you guys that i


0:50:59.680,0:51:05.200

my complaint was that it

didn't feature enough like i wish


0:51:05.200,0:51:09.760

music was more of a part of it but i

sort of i sort of retract that a little


0:51:09.760,0:51:12.640

bit i

i think if you really focus on it it


0:51:12.640,0:51:15.839

does come up a little bit more

for the last few episodes i was sort of


0:51:15.839,0:51:18.480

like you know trying to pay a bit more

attention to


0:51:18.480,0:51:22.079

like what was going on musically and um

no


0:51:22.079,0:51:26.000

it's all there i i wish other series has

had


0:51:26.000,0:51:30.800

such an interesting sort of not just

like i feel like with a lot of crime


0:51:30.800,0:51:34.880

stuff now it's just a lot of like


0:51:34.960,0:51:39.040

it's just like kind of just very plain

it is very generic you know


0:51:39.040,0:51:42.559

it's it's almost like a like it's

starting screen of the movie yeah it's


0:51:42.559,0:51:44.640

just like

you know when you put on a dvd and you


0:51:44.640,0:51:48.400

can just see like this little preview

they have and it just constantly repeats


0:51:48.400,0:51:51.040

and you've been watching it for hours

and you're like why am i still watching


0:51:51.040,0:51:53.680

this preview

it's sort of like that it's just like


0:51:53.680,0:51:58.079

very generic like you don't

you don't notice it you know it's


0:51:58.079,0:52:01.440

serviceable but not more

nothing more serviceable yeah that's


0:52:01.440,0:52:04.000

good that's a good word yeah but here

it's part of the the


0:52:04.000,0:52:07.680

the personality that's do it so much

adds to it so much


0:52:07.680,0:52:11.520

i don't think i've ever skipped the

intro theme or the the


0:52:11.520,0:52:17.280

ending so i'm let me ask you this

i think it's been 18 years since the


0:52:17.280,0:52:20.880

show ended

15 years since the movie came out would


0:52:20.880,0:52:23.599

you guys want the show back today would

you guys bring it back


0:52:23.599,0:52:28.000

and if you would like would you rather

they pick it up or the movie ended


0:52:28.000,0:52:31.200

or like they'd pretend it didn't happen

pick things up where the


0:52:31.200,0:52:34.240

show left it and you know then tell the

story like


0:52:34.240,0:52:37.599

they originally intended to i don't want

them to bring it yeah definitely


0:52:37.599,0:52:40.960

i don't know maybe it's because i kind

of binged through it all


0:52:40.960,0:52:45.520

i would like them to pick up uh from

where the movie you know what now that


0:52:45.520,0:52:49.119

i'm

saying it out loud maybe maybe not the


0:52:49.119,0:52:53.760

thing is that the

movie ends with starting a war like it's


0:52:53.760,0:52:56.880

it's a very dramatic change in the

narrative


0:52:56.880,0:53:02.160

right uh-huh like until the movie each

episode could have just existed on its


0:53:02.160,0:53:06.079

own

and have like these small references


0:53:06.079,0:53:09.119

like i think most good tv shows are kind

of like this


0:53:09.119,0:53:14.480

there's uh there's this the small story

in an episode which kind of starts and


0:53:14.480,0:53:18.400

ends in

in the same 40 minutes or so and and you


0:53:18.400,0:53:24.960

get glimpses of the larger story

the larger story after the movie have to


0:53:24.960,0:53:28.240

change

because like a river was the basic of


0:53:28.240,0:53:32.640

the larger story

and it pretty much ended and there's a


0:53:32.640,0:53:36.880

new one where

they kind of fight the alliance in


0:53:36.880,0:53:40.720

broad daylight so yeah maybe you know

what maybe


0:53:40.720,0:53:45.359

maybe before the movie i if i could go

back in time i'd love to see this


0:53:45.359,0:53:48.640

continue and just have like a four or

five season show


0:53:48.640,0:53:52.400

and just just have it all out in full

but


0:53:52.400,0:53:57.520

now like 18 years later i just it would

just make me sad to see


0:53:57.520,0:54:00.559

i don't know it would feel like

reparations for


0:54:00.559,0:54:04.319

for the cult following wouldn't it it

would just like and the thing is like


0:54:04.319,0:54:07.200

you'd see everyone all aged and they're

trying to


0:54:07.200,0:54:10.480

recreate what it was and it would just

feel like


0:54:10.480,0:54:13.920

all i'd be thinking of is just why

didn't they do it before


0:54:13.920,0:54:18.000

it just it just feels like it's been too

long yeah it'll never be the same


0:54:18.000,0:54:22.240

as it used to be yeah i don't know yeah

that sucks really sucks i heard


0:54:22.240,0:54:26.800

in some youtube or podcast well i've

never watched the walking dead by


0:54:26.800,0:54:30.800

understand there's like this

animated series they did on the walking


0:54:30.800,0:54:34.319

dead

where they brought the same actors to to


0:54:34.319,0:54:38.720

voice the same characters

so that could be an interesting turn of


0:54:38.720,0:54:41.920

events to

also do from the firefly so that you


0:54:41.920,0:54:44.880

kind of

because you know while animating you can


0:54:44.880,0:54:49.520

preserve the look and

and kind of the the feel and


0:54:49.520,0:54:53.040

you can get the the same voices and same

tones


0:54:53.040,0:54:56.720

and such sounds like an interesting idea

to take to take it forward did you guys


0:54:56.720,0:55:00.640

know that there's

this canonical comic book series for um


0:55:00.640,0:55:04.960

firefly no yeah an illustrated night i

don't know how many books they have


0:55:04.960,0:55:08.240

but i know there's a book about like the

past of uh


0:55:08.240,0:55:12.000

shepherd book it kind of tells about his

background i don't know how many books


0:55:12.000,0:55:14.240

there are

i don't know how if they're still


0:55:14.240,0:55:18.319

running today maybe i don't know

i know they're canonical should be


0:55:18.319,0:55:22.720

pretty good should be

at least pretty interesting on um on


0:55:22.720,0:55:24.880

reddit

i'm just looking now there's a bit of


0:55:24.880,0:55:28.720

like a um someone's broken down like all

of the


0:55:28.720,0:55:32.720

serenity and firefly comics so maybe

i'll i'll send it to you and we can link


0:55:32.720,0:55:35.520

it looks like there's about so five

volumes of


0:55:35.520,0:55:39.119

what looks like to be serenity and then

there's another few volumes or something


0:55:39.119,0:55:42.000

else so yeah i want to see what they're

about and maybe get them


0:55:42.000,0:55:46.559

i don't know like there is i was left

with the ticks for more i'm left for a


0:55:46.559,0:55:51.280

taste more and i do like

comics so um no i'm super keen


0:55:51.280,0:55:55.280

for this actually this is nice yeah i

can see the shepherd's tail


0:55:55.280,0:55:59.119

um and there's and there's i think

there's one about wash that goes through


0:55:59.119,0:56:01.920

his past

so cool and then there's obviously like


0:56:01.920,0:56:04.640

the actual show i think they have in a

comic but


0:56:04.640,0:56:08.240

um or a series but yeah no this is this

is awesome i would


0:56:08.240,0:56:12.240

i i would be interested in in saying

that um does anyone have


0:56:12.240,0:56:16.400

any does anyone have a favorite episode

um i think you mentioned


0:56:16.400,0:56:19.680

my favorite episode the one with the out

of gas episode yeah


0:56:19.680,0:56:23.839

like it's kind of it has this dire

feeling like


0:56:23.839,0:56:27.520

most of the crew had to abandon the ship

uh mel is left on it


0:56:27.520,0:56:31.359

alone like something exploded in the

engine i think or something and and


0:56:31.359,0:56:35.440

there's no life support and

they're just dead in the water so he's


0:56:35.440,0:56:40.079

left alone he's trying to fix the ship

on his own and throughout the the


0:56:40.079,0:56:43.280

episode

you get a bunch of like flashbacks that


0:56:43.280,0:56:47.200

kind of show you how

they met each other and everything and


0:56:47.200,0:56:50.319

as you go i'm not going to tell the

story of the episode but


0:56:50.319,0:56:53.520

things get worse and worse and worse and

you


0:56:53.520,0:56:58.000

you don't see how it's going to end like

you know he's going to be okay


0:56:58.000,0:57:01.760

in the end but it's stressful it's such

an amazing episode


0:57:01.760,0:57:06.960

such a stressful episode

that one's probably my favorite tied


0:57:06.960,0:57:10.799

with war stories as well

where um mal and washer being like


0:57:10.799,0:57:14.559

tortured and then

zoe leads a team in to like rescue them


0:57:14.559,0:57:18.319

that was just

awesome yeah like really cool action and


0:57:18.319,0:57:22.799

then um you had

um rivers sort of like crazy aimbot


0:57:22.799,0:57:26.079

and uh yeah that was really cool yeah

like it


0:57:26.079,0:57:29.200

has like a great example of you know the

the


0:57:29.200,0:57:33.440

sophisticated and funny dialogues there

like like the pacing of the dialogue is


0:57:33.440,0:57:36.559

also great

like she comes to save them and they're


0:57:36.559,0:57:40.160

torturing her husband

and the captain that she's always loyal


0:57:40.160,0:57:43.839

to and the captain

and her husband are fighting for her


0:57:43.839,0:57:46.559

loyalty in a way like her husband is

jealous


0:57:46.559,0:57:51.760

of mel and niska the bad guy i think he

wants to kind of taunt her and he wants


0:57:51.760,0:57:55.520

to kind of

hold it in front of her and say you have


0:57:55.520,0:57:57.520

to choose between your husband and her

captain and


0:57:57.520,0:58:00.559

like what are you going to do and it's

it's hard it's going to be sophie's


0:58:00.559,0:58:03.599

choice but yeah and she's like no

i want to take this guy i want to take


0:58:03.599,0:58:06.960

my husband and that's it

i bet you thought it'd be harder for me


0:58:06.960,0:58:10.160

yeah why do you think she chose well i

mean


0:58:10.160,0:58:13.599

this sounds just a stupid question now i

say why do you think she chose her


0:58:13.599,0:58:18.079

husband but like

um like again it's the loyalty to the


0:58:18.079,0:58:21.040

captain she knew he'd find a way and or

that that yeah


0:58:21.040,0:58:24.319

in the end he would make make it out of

there yeah


0:58:24.319,0:58:30.000

i think wash would have died straight up

she was like about to point at mal and


0:58:30.000,0:58:32.799

she's oh

wash is still alive okay i'll go watch


0:58:32.799,0:58:36.880

that

thought you be dead borrow what about


0:58:36.880,0:58:40.480

you uh

because i binged it i it kind of meshed


0:58:40.480,0:58:43.440

together

but there's one i think it's called


0:58:43.440,0:58:48.400

objects in space

the one with the bounty hunter yeah


0:58:48.400,0:58:52.480

that was another stressful episode he

gave me the creeps


0:58:52.480,0:58:56.559

i mean what i really liked about that

episode is because


0:58:56.559,0:59:02.880

it showed exactly um how

special this tv series is because like


0:59:02.880,0:59:09.119

that guy i don't know why he he was so

he creeped me out in in


0:59:09.119,0:59:14.960

a very deep level because he was so

nice you know he was so he was so


0:59:14.960,0:59:19.440

delightful

when he asked kylie if she's ever been


0:59:19.440,0:59:23.599

raped

and that was ah


0:59:23.599,0:59:27.280

i i don't know that creeped me out wow

they really went for


0:59:27.280,0:59:32.000

this mysterious feeling in this episode

and they did it so well


0:59:32.000,0:59:35.280

like you know they're in the middle of

space there's


0:59:35.280,0:59:38.720

nothing literally nothing around them

and somehow


0:59:38.720,0:59:41.920

they don't know how but somehow he got

on their ship


0:59:41.920,0:59:46.720

and he knows everything about them i

think joss whedon can really make


0:59:46.720,0:59:51.440

a very delightful bad guy he already

also did it in the movie


0:59:51.440,0:59:55.200

uh right where where there's the

believer or the operative


0:59:55.200,1:00:00.480

or whatever his name was yeah but again

like they're really really nice


1:00:00.480,1:00:06.640

and and intelligent but they're awful

but you you don't notice how awful but


1:00:06.640,1:00:09.280

maybe that even makes them more awful

you know


1:00:09.280,1:00:12.480

you know who else you're describing as

well loki yeah


1:00:12.480,1:00:17.119

exactly yeah definitely lucky from uh

the marvel yeah the evangelistic


1:00:17.119,1:00:22.799

universe yeah scene i loved in um

objects in space was where like shit was


1:00:22.799,1:00:26.880

sort of hitting the fan

and then um jane grabs the cloth that's


1:00:26.880,1:00:31.119

like covering his gun cabinet

and it exposes like all the guns like


1:00:31.119,1:00:34.799

ready locked and loaded

and he just puts it over he goes like a


1:00:34.799,1:00:41.119

blanket like you needed more warmth

that was so good yeah there's so many


1:00:41.119,1:00:44.640

funny moments

i wish i wrote them all down but yeah


1:00:44.640,1:00:48.160

another great moment with him

in the movie when they're like getting


1:00:48.160,1:00:52.000

ready to fight the reavers

the mysterious enemy that we've feared


1:00:52.000,1:00:55.440

throughout the series and the movie

and like every time their name is


1:00:55.440,1:00:59.760

mentioned everyone is

just creeped out and like anxious about


1:00:59.760,1:01:02.799

it and then they're

you know getting everything ready to


1:01:02.799,1:01:05.680

fight them and

he talks about getting out of there


1:01:05.680,1:01:09.280

alive and zoe asks him

do you really think anyone is going to


1:01:09.280,1:01:12.880

get out alive and he's like

looking up and sizing the characters the


1:01:12.880,1:01:17.599

other crew members

and he says i might


1:01:17.599,1:01:22.799

i love it yeah he's a great character

but you know he also like even though he


1:01:22.799,1:01:26.240

is probably the most

shallow character he also has depth yeah


1:01:26.240,1:01:30.960

like the the in the episode with the

mothers right where where he kind of


1:01:30.960,1:01:34.559

becomes a

folk hero yeah like that yeah like you


1:01:34.559,1:01:37.520

see that he

he has real depth and he actually do


1:01:37.520,1:01:41.200

care and he is not

only about well money is a big part of


1:01:41.200,1:01:43.599

it no but he has respect for authority

or


1:01:43.599,1:01:47.599

um like he's part of the crew and he

respects that yeah he's a little more


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than just a dumb character

than just the muscle as opposed to zoe


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he doesn't

get the plan or why they're doing


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everything

but he goes along with it and it's not


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that he'll never betray the crew but

as long as he is with the crew that's


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the top priority for him

there's one thing i have to mention on


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this youtube channel called

um passion of the nerd i think essential


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link just before we start recording

i'll put it in the show notes the


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passion of the nerd he does like episode

breakdowns of


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you know all kinds of tv shows and i

think movies now as well


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i think he did buffy the vampire slayer

and other stuff


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but he does these amazing episode

breakdowns of the show


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of firefly i think he's only up to

episode three at the moment


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but they're amazing like he points out a

lot of analogies and symbols and stuff


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that i wouldn't have noticed

otherwise like things that makes the


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characters even deeper

and things that just make the show more


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interesting like an example

is when he talked about episode three


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bushwhacked the the episode where they

come upon


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this derelict ship and they stop and see

what they can find on it


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and you know they see that it was

attacked by reavers so he points out a


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lot of similarities to horror film like

especially


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um stephen king's it it's really

interesting i wouldn't have noticed it


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any other way and i have to say i'm

really glad that i missed this show for


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so long

like i can't imagine watching this show


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when it came out

and then seeing it get cancelled and


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then every once in a while hearing about

rumors that it might come back


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for what is it 18 years now and um

all in all i really was expecting to


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enjoy this because

like we said this has this geeky cult


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following to it and these

things tend to be pretty good and i'm


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i'm really glad we watched it i mean it

was a great experience for me


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especially during this um lockdown sort

of quarantine thing yeah this is so fun


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like this is such a cool thing to watch

yeah you can really sink into it and


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kind of forget about

what's going on yeah it's so cool


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peter why don't you introduce the

subject of our next episode


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sure so as usual i'm trying to expand

what we do um here on the culture quest


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so i thought

we've done regular sort of albums we've


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done

movies done now a tv show but i thought


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i want to do something to do with music

but i wanted to do something a little


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bit different

so i thought let's do a live album like


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let's take a

big concert which gets lots of acclaim


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let's just listen to a full concert and

see what a band has


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like live on stage so i thought i didn't

want to pick someone on two


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i'm too familiar with but i looked at

live aid actually


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um after watching bohemian rhapsody and

i watched um queen's sort of 20 minute


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set and um was really getting pumped for

i thought


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the year after live aid queen came back

to wembley stadium where they performed


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and they did a massive gig for i don't

remember exactly how many people but it


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was

um absolutely huge and they


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they actually they took the soundboard

recording as well as some audience


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recordings and stuff

they put it all together into an


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official

release called live at wembley stadium


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and um it's sort of like a intuitive

force of queen


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and i think a lot of queen fans are very

proud of this


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performance so um they had most of their

work


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behind them at this point by 1986 they

still had a few albums but


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you'll get a lot of the hits we are the

champions


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hammer to fall bohemian rhapsody of

course love of my life


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brighton rock you know um another one

bites the dust under pressure so


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all the big ones all the big ones so as

a i would say i'm a queen fan


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but i'm i i wouldn't be able to name

more than five albums


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and that's you know not many considering

one of them is called queen and one of


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them is called queen two

so yeah yeah i just think


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this is just something that i think

people should listen to


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and this is even before i i even listen

to it i just


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i'm just looking at what's the biggest

stadium what's one of the biggest bands


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of

the 70s and 80s and what's um


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what might be one of their best

performances so um


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um i'm coming in with very high

expectations so


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yeah how how familiar you guys with

queen


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have you listened to a song an album or

you know the whole discography


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i i can't say i'm too familiar like i

know the best of and i know


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the knight of the opera album and i know

it very well like i think it's an


1:06:30.079,1:06:33.760

amazing album but i don't know any

others


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yeah i'm not too familiar with them and

like


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like you said a concert is such a

different experience


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from uh just a regular album and they're

supposed to be


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awesome performers like this i think

it's going to be


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i don't know this huge experience i

think i'm really expecting this one


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yeah i i agree um i think ever since i

have seen um


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bohemian rhapsody i want to have another

queen session like a long one and and


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kind of dive

into it i think i i just mentioned it to


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the guys before we started recording i

think


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freddie mercury was the best singer ever

lived


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he's amazing yeah yeah so yeah i'm

psyched yeah it's gonna be fun


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so thank you peter and thank you mario

for staying true to our goal


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and thank you the listeners at home for

helping us along the latest stage of our


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quest

we hope that you join us again next


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episode and we'll talk to you soon

bye bye see ya bye bye


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