I personally think the next one would still focus on keeping the finances and relationships afloat and keep the Michelin star hunting for the 4th season? Maybe more intricacies regarding Michael's backstory?

The later seasons of "Shameless" left me disheartened, as they seemed to lose the reverence for the art they had so brilliantly cultivated. While not all of it was disappointing, the magic that thrived prior to Fiona's departure seemed to wane. It felt like the show had fallen out of love with itself.


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After a few months after a season has ended, mods will be more lenient with spoilers in the title as it has given sufficient time for viewers to watch, but MAJOR spoilers are still not allowed in post titles.

I wondered if anyone had made any of the dishes shown on The Bear - not necessarily making them in the past, but due to watching the show. Alternatively, have you cooked something you haven't ever before, just because you saw it on either season?

For myself, I was obsessed with the Cola Braised Short Rib and Risotto from the first season and that recipe rocked. I also made braciole for the first time. From the second season, I made focaccia and the Boursin omelet and I really want to make the cheese tortellini with brown butter and pesto.

I think the last episode was hokey, staged tragedy porn that leaned way too heavily on soap opera plot conventions to help generate strife and ruin relationships. "Oh no, Carmy is locked in the walk-in that he failed to fix all season, how ironic! Oh no, now Carmy is spouting off at the mouth while his girlfriend can hear him right when Tina happened to walk off and leave him unattended and he's going to lose the one good thing he had going for him! Oh no, Richie waited until after he got done flawlessly saving the day and keeping his temper under control to go back to his old ways! Oh no, Marcus's mom is either waking up or dying and he didn't give the nurse any other way to contact him despite him being extremely paranoid about it all season and we're seeing this right as he hangs up a sign that implies he accidentally failed to follow the sign's advice!

To be clear, I'm completely fine with any of those things happening during the season. I'm not opposed to tragedy in media, and I'm also not opposed to "magical writing" to tell stories about characters and events where plot contrivances conveniently result in blowups at the worst possible times. I just think that The Bear had a "plot-contrivance-per-episode" rate similar to, say, Billions, when suddenly this last episode the writers ratcheted it up to Grey's Anatomy.

Also, they ended the first season with a clear win and a direction to go in the second season. This set up the expectation that the writers will end seasons of The Bear with some finality. It would have been totally fine to end the second season with a clear tragedy instead of a clear win, but to end it with a bunch of separate tragedies that aren't actually related to the success or failure of the restaurant is a huge departure in pattern from not only the first season but also each individual episode of the show. "But that's just how real life is sometimes, everything blows up at once!" Sure, but it doesn't blow up in ways specifically designed to cause nearly all of your main characters to experience an ironic regression customized to take advantage of their specific flaws and failures. Either make the whole show a magical drama, or make the whole show a gritty realistic simulation, or cleanly balance those two elements, but don't suddenly turn on the soap at the very end of the season.

To be clear, my position specifically regards recreational bear hunting -- i.e. any kind of hunting that isn't carried out for the obvious reason of food in a wilderness survival setting or by a forestry service for the specific purpose of euthanizing a specific animal who is sick/wounded or who has attacked a human. That kind of hunting merits a separate discussion. But any hunting by private individuals which falls outside that very narrow scope of forestry work or survival, even when it allegedly aids "population control" efforts because it falls within a certain "season," is what I consider to be recreational hunting for the purposes of this conversation. Also, note that I'm writing in the US and if I ever mention gov't policy or the culture surrounding bear hunting, I'm referring to what exists here in America. Apologies for that -- but my scope of experience is somewhat limited. If anyone has insight on these matters from another part of the globe, you are welcomed and encouraged to share!

A little background: I live in western North Carolina (where bear hunting is considered a "heritage sport") and I spend a lot of time in the wooded slopes of the Blue Ridge. In doing so, I encounter wild black bears frequently -- at least several times each year. They love to hang out in the thickets of blueberry and blackberry bushes which choke the high ridges and the occasional power line cut, which is something we actually have in common. There's really nothing better than some fresh-picked wild blackberries. This brings me to one of my main premises, which is that bears are not your average "dumb beasts." I'm not sure how much I should elaborate on this point, because I could mention mountains of evidence stemming from my own encounters with bears, but the point is that wherever you want to draw a line in the sand between "sentient" and "non-sentient" beings, you would be remiss not to include bears in the "sentient" category. I'm not here to propose a fully-fledged "theory of sentience." But what I can do is draw upon my personal experience to conclude that bears are sensible, caring, empathic creatures endowed with a natural sense of curiosity that is not all that different than our own. They aren't naturally aggressive or destructive in any respect. In some sense, even, the lives they lead are more noble and righteous than many of our own.

Maybe it's somewhat arbitrary to make such a grand distinction between bears and other animals that people hunt like deer and quail and whatnot, but again, we have to draw the line somewhere as to what kind of animal is and isn't ok to kill for sport... And I for one, knowing what I know about bears, could never imagine "sport-killing" such an obviously intelligent and emotive creature. At its heart, that's why I think bear hunting is immoral: they're just too humanlike, and if we think that such a "person-y" creature is still Other enough that we deem it acceptable to kill that creature for sport, then I don't see there being much of anything left to stop us from "othering" certain kinds of humans in a similar way (and before you charge me with using the "slippery slope" fallacy, recall that human civ has a long historic tradition of both bear hunting and brutal dehumanization). So that's the question I have for bear hunters: if you respect the rights and dignity of other humans (as you should) then how come it's so easy for you to disregard the rights and dignity of a creature that clearly shows these uncannily similar intellectual/emotional traits? Yeah, bears aren't humans. But morally speaking that's a spine-tinglingly fine line you're drawing when the question is literally, "Can I kill this for fun?" So either you're engaging in these cantankerous mental gymnastics, you're a sadist and you just don't care, or you're woefully, maybe willfully ignorant of how similar to us in terms of "inner life" bears really are. But I take that human-bear similarity as an empirical fact. I think any rationally responsible person could reach the same conclusion given ample personal experience with bears in the wild. I won't dwell on that point too long because I don't want to be accused of soapboxing -- and if you want to try to convince me that bears aren't really all that intellectually/emotionally complex or similar to us then by all means go for it. All I'll say though is that I have a lot of evidence to back this belief up, so unless you're some sort of expert you probably won't get very far. But that's not the view I came here to test anyway. It is the fundamental reason I think bear hunting is wrong (coupled with the moral premise I just explained, which I suppose is fair CMV game too, but I digress). But what I'm really wondering is: given the empirical premise that bears are as intelligent as I say they are, and given the ethical premise that generally speaking it's wrong to sport-kill creatures with that level of intelligence, are there any out-standing reasons that make rec bear hunting morally justified? My view is that the answer to this question is a resounding "No." And I think it should be outlawed on the grounds that it's a gross misuse of public land/resources, as is anything that's categorically unethical.

Forgive me for being long-winded, but I'd like to frame the discussion by mentioning the two strongest pro-bear-hunting counterarguments I can think of and explain why they don't convince me as I understand them. From what I can tell, there's the "heritage argument" and the "conservation argument." Neither argument necessarily disputes either of my original premises, the ones I just discussed. They just disagree that these premises imply that bear hunting is necessarily wrong, and they invoke further nuances of the situation to make that case. That, you could say, is their logical strength.

The "heritage argument" is, as I mentioned, a popular one in the area where I live. Bear hunting is culturally significant in southern Appalachia, no doubt about it. I can easily imagine growing up in one of the isolated mountain hollers of Madison County, NC and having bear hunts be some of the most exciting and memorable events of my young life. That's not meant to be condescending at all. Bear hunting is a way for people who live in close proximity to one another to enrich their relationships -- and especially in a rural setting, that's everything. In a place where there aren't a lot of people around in the first place, you want to be able to depend on the ones who are. And with the inherent danger of bear hunting, in some circles a kid's first bear hunt can be seen as sort of a "coming of age" thing, which we all know is deeply significant. So if I grew up with that rural Appalachian background, I might say, "Look, I get that bear hunting doesn't appeal to our 21st century sensibilities...but that's kinda the thing: it's not a 21st century development for me and my community. It's something that's been an important part of our way of life since our ancestors settled here hundreds of years ago. So even though it doesn't entirely square with the way you're thinking about moral right and wrong, and even if you're right about that in theory, it would be unfairly disruptive to our community in specific for you to come in and say that this thing which is a longstanding tradition for us is no longer allowed." I can't emphasize how sympathetic I am to that position. One thing you have to understand about the rural communities in places like Appalachia is that they have faced a long long history of exploitation, neglect, and unfair stereotypes perpetrated in large part by "city folk" who either resent their socially conservative allegiances or who see in them an opportunity for cheap and willing labor. So rural folk, especially in Appalachia, have every right to mistrust "outsiders" who want to change the laws, cultural norms, or economic policies that affect their communities. The reason this "heritage argument" doesn't do it for me is that while tradition is vital, I don't think it's sacred. Traditions inevitably change. And they never exist in a vacuum. So frankly, I don't think that condemning or even banning bear hunting outright would really do much damage to the communities that practice them. These are the same communities that have rich traditions of art, music, craft, and so on that are still incredibly vibrant. Besides, if you really need to go kill something there are always deer, and there is deep tradition in that kind of hunting too. Basically, I think this argument comes from a well-founded mistrust in authority, but it fails to demonstrate why bear hunting is SO culturally important that we should compromise our morals as a society to accommodate it. With that being said, though, it's important to maintain that -- so far as we ask these rural communities to give up one of their traditions -- we owe them for that and for so much more. Their interests and their needs must not be overlooked in the political and economic theater, as they largely have been throughout US history. e24fc04721

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