This is really cool! I had to remind myself of the theme of Beethoven's Pastorale Symphony and I have to say I don't think it's very similar at all! Maybe just some of the rhythm and contour of the main theme, but this is far from a copy and paste (which you justly remarked in another post is simple plagiarism). Stylistically and harmonically it is quite inspired by Beethoven however. But that's not a bad thing by any means. I think as composers and creative types we sometimes can't help and have a bit of hero worship! All your melodic and harmonic material is quite lucid and well thought out, never jarring or discontinuous. The chords are sometimes thick but not overbearingly so - quite like Beethoven would probably have written himself. Your performance is quite good as well! The piece does retain the feel of a pastorale movement, being sprightly with its jaunty spring in its step in 6/8. Great job and thanks for sharing! And if you don't have recordings of the 3rd and 4th movements, I would love to hear at least the computers rendition of it!

I had to remind myself of the theme of Beethoven's Pastorale Symphony and I have to say I don't think it's very similar at all! Maybe just some of the rhythm and contour of the main theme, but this is far from a copy and paste (which you justly remarked in another post is simple plagiarism).


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Yeah when I was composing in the midway of the whole composition I suddenly found out that the main motive comes from the opening of Beethoven's Pastorale. I was quite worried but just forgot it later on, since I had put some creativity to it at least.

Stylistically and harmonically it is quite inspired by Beethoven however. But that's not a bad thing by any means. I think as composers and creative types we sometimes can't help and have a bit of hero worship!

I was then an all-Beethoven fan. I worshipped him and treasured all his piece, even though I didn't know thoroughly on his pieces at all. I am less Beethovanian now though, but at that time I composed really Beethovanian-ly, which is not a bad thing for a novice composer, even though it would be detrimental to one who wants to be mature. I hope I am less Beethovenian now.

I was paying attention to maintaining the flow though. My main inspiration for this movement is the first movement of Beethoven's op.101, piano sonata in A major, where he achieves an amazing lucidity and fluidity. I hoped I can write like that too at the moment. I still treasure the lucidity and fluidity now though.

I am practicing the 2nd movement which is a Scherzo and it's quite difficult to play. For the 3rd and 4th, 3rd is actually a quite OK slow movement, but the 4th is quite trash since the structure is too sparse as I attempted to write like Schumann at that time, whose style I cannot capture at that moment. Your suggestion is great, and I will consider having at least the computer rendition of them posted here! (Not in Youtube though)

One suggestion: I know this movement overall is very heavy with thick textures predominating. Give the music time to breath a bit by providing some lighter textures. Interplay with the motif in a call in response or transition it into a more quieter atmosphere. This is subjective though.

One suggestion: I know this movement overall is very heavy with thick textures predominating. Give the music time to breath a bit by providing some lighter textures. Interplay with the motif in a call in response or transition it into a more quieter atmosphere. This is subjective though

I agree that the thick structure is predominating here. The thin texture only appears in a few moments which doesn't give much contrast to it. I probably will provide more timberal contrast now but will stay in its way. It's always great to have new thoughts on old works! Thank you for that!

This sounds VERY VERY VERY Beethoven 6th to me. As others have said, it is reminiscent of it and not a direct quote, but it's very near that work in style, themes, treatment of material, development, etc.

That said, I feel like you took inspiration from Beethoven and ran with it in your own way. My hope is that you used this as something to learn from and apply techniques Beethoven used. I could sit here and list all the ways I felt it was similar, but this work is roughly 7 years or so old and not true to who you are as a composer now.

I like that you used this as a vessel to explore ways of developing one theme, but I wish your second theme for a sonata form was a bit more contrasting rather than just flipping the original upside down more or less. I feel like part of the beauty of sonata form is to have those contrasting moments, and maybe during the development you could have really gotten creative in melding the two with all sort of intertwined ways.

There are many times you say these things about yourself, and it honestly bothers me. You're very humble and modest, but have some confidence in your abilities! Is it because you're not world famous or have the notoriety of a successful freelance composer that you say these things? Sure your music may have faults (whose doesn't?), especially your older music, but you are an extremely talented composer.

I absolutely LOVE your piano playing. Keep in mind mastering your instrument is a life long task. You give the impression of always being a student of your craft, and that's step one. You play bloody brilliantly, and you're one of the few people I know from here that I would pay to have you record my piano pieces.

Everything I've ever heard from you is something that I've enjoyed, regardless of any comments I may make towards your music. I always try to be constructively critical of at least a few things with anyone's music I hear, and with yours I find myself trying a bit harder because I enjoy your music so much. Even though I'm not always around on our discord channel, I've heard all that stuff you've posted of your playing. It's great, you're great, and the only thing greater than your compositions and piano playing is who you are as a person. I've never seen someone so adamant on giving feedback to other members here. You have a day job, teach piano on the side, and still make room in your life to share so much of your knowledge for everyone here. It's been a joy to have gotten to know you, and if I were you I would be very proud of everything you post.

You're in the predicament of comparing yourself to the greats, whether in your compositions or performance. Honestly that's good, and maybe in your culture virtuosity is revered over substance, but I just want you to have more confidence with your music. Beethoven himself was known to have been a bit sloppy in his piano improvisations, but he didn't care. Mistakes are what will always make our music great, it's the human element that I'll always favor over the polished VST's of a computer representing our music.

You've set the bar so high for yourself, I feel like you sometimes forget that so many people love and enjoy your music. Just keep that in mind. You don't have to be ego-centric to stand by your music. Keep learning, keep studying, keep writing, keep posting, and keep being you Henry.

Thanks for sharing, I'll ALWAYS comment and listen to your music. I know I have your hour long piece to finish, but a comment will come in time. Don't be afraid to share more of your older pieces too, regardless of how you've grown since then. I'm also excited to hear the wind piece you've mentioned, I'm very curious how your current music stands up to the wonderful older pieces you've shown us.

You know sometimes it's difficult. Before joining this forum everyone around me do not appreciate my music and playing. I freakingly want to compose, but sometimes lack of encouragement does hinder my progress, as I lack the motivation to compose. I reflect now and find this the main reason of composing the quintet in 6 years.

I always say I am lucky to join this forum. It's always great to see talented composers around the world and learn from them. You say I am adamant on sharing my thoughts to others, actually I learn from them each time I review the pieces. Maybe due to the mutual encouragement, I am able to write that wind quintet piece in 9 days. I will definitely post that here in the near future, since I am busying with my piano practicing these few weeks.

I can say the same thing to you, except changing piano to guitar (and singing probably)! I always admire your confidence and your ability to encourage others. During these few months' stay I see how many times you are willing to encourage others here. That's thing I treasure you most, not even your great composition. Without you I won't even think of composing that wind quintet piece and joining the call for score, which was a great experience for me.

Music-wise I was practicing to develop one motive throughout the piece, and this movement probably inspired by Haydn's monothematic sonata movement as well! You are right the contrast is not great though.

Hi @Henry Ng Tsz Kiu, you've been so generous with you constructive comments on my music that now I feel inadequate commenting on yours! Oh, well. I like the pastorale sound of the movement. It is reminiscent of the 6th symphony, of course, beyond the thematic similarity, but it also reminds me of certain bits of the pastorale piano sonata (eg bars 56-57 and similar passages), which I guess means you have captured the "pastorale" atmosphere right on!

I only have two observations. One is at 33-34 and 133-34: why do you leave the melody unaccompanied in the right hand? I thought that adding chords in the tenor/alto registry would be a nice addition. Second is at bar 95-103: do you think it'd be interesting to try and amplify the tension building for instance by starting with the left hand playing quaver chords at 95-96, then 8th broken chords at 97-98, then 16th etc.? or would that be too crass? 152ee80cbc

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