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You invest it. In stock index funds, in paying off your own house, in rental houses if you are interested in local real estate, and in other sources as you continue to learn about making money work for you. As of 2016, my own retirement income comes from a dead-simple asset allocation: a bunch of index funds at Vanguard and Betterment which pay quarterly dividends.

Love your comment! So on point! I used to be super cheap, buying only items that are about to expire, never traveled, never went out, buy the cheapest clothes. Now I am trying to figure out what brings pleasure and what experiences are worth paying money for. If you have a family of 6, and struggling paying your rent, then sure, eating rice and beans is something you have to do. But if you enjoy cooking and trying out different recipes brings you joy, why not spend a little bit more? That can be an experience by itself.

Like the suggestion to read books about happiness. WE think that is a fundamental principle in changing your thought process. People including me have work hard for along time chasing money and trying to make other happy and forgot to make ourselves happy in the process.

Mr. Money Mustache is the website and pseudonym of 49-year-old[2] Canadian-born blogger Peter Adeney.[1] Adeney retired from his job as a software engineer in 2005 at age 30 by spending only a small percentage of his annual salary and consistently investing the remainder, primarily in stock market index funds.[3][1] Adeney lives in Longmont, Colorado, and contends that most middle-class individuals can and should spend less money and own fewer physical possessions. He argues that by doing this, they can live with increased financial freedom and happiness, reducing their environmental footprint in the process. He has described the typical middle-class lifestyle as "an exploding volcano of wastefulness," particularly citing the overuse of and overspending on new cars as an example.[3] The blog has been featured and cited in various media outlets including Market Watch,[4] CBS News,[5] and The New Yorker,[1] as well as others.He is the brother of Chris Adeney, a Canadian indie rock musician better known by the stage name Wax Mannequin.[6]

Adeney believes in the 4% rule, which states that, with a balanced investment portfolio, a retiree can withdraw 4% of their portfolio's initial value each year, adjusted upward for inflation each year thereafter, with a low probability of ever running out of money.[8] His portfolio was valued at $600,000 at the time of his retirement, which could support his family's annual expenditures of about $25,000[7] indefinitely according to this rule.

Adeney has made considerable money aside from his initial investment portfolio since he retired from his software engineering job in 2005, through the blog and other sources of income, but he maintains that none of this additional money was ever necessary to fund his family's normal expenses.[9]

The website includes an active internet forum for discussion of personal finance matters outside of the blog's comment threads. People who read the Mr. Money Mustache blog and subscribe to its philosophy are known as "Mustachians."[10] Many of the forum's discussions are focused on topics unique to this niche community, such as frugal living, investing large sums of money, and retiring extremely early.

We do have some differences. He has more money (I think) and spends less of it. I make more money (I think) and definitely spend more time earning it. He retired at 30. I had not yet started working at 30. At any rate, if you're not familiar with his financial philosophy, you would do well to learn about it. Let me sum it up in a nutshell. First, his story.

He and his wife graduated from college and were making a decent amount of money. They saved 65% of it for seven years, then retired at 30 so they could raise a family. They still do some work, both for free and for pay, but are not financially required to do so. He has a website with 10-20 times the amount of traffic as mine, about similar to the Bogleheads forum (which has over a hundred threads started a day.)

Yes, taking the car will burn more gas, ruin the planet, and cost you more money. But there are more important things in life than a gallon of gas. Life is all about trade-offs like that. (Nevertheless, I was pretty impressed that he only spent $71 on gasoline in 2014.)

For example, a doctor could paint his own house and save $2000. Or, he could take the 4 days he would spend doing that, go do some surgeries or see some patients and make $8000. Even after paying 45% of that income in taxes, he's still way ahead. Plus the paint probably looks better. Plus to me, seeing patients is more fun and contributes more to society than painting my house. There is plenty of waste in life, but sometimes wasted time is more expensive than wasted money, especially for a high earner. I think a lot of Mustachians (and even Bogleheads) don't get that.

I completely get it. But there are some options. I have a buddy who works as a surgicalist. This options appears to be more and more common. Another option is to pay money to buy time. What I mean is hiring a PA or NP to assist you with the less enjoyable parts of work. Lastly, if working less is a priority, moving where you can find a job or partnership that fits your desire may be an option.

The other point of yours that I appreciated was that not spending money can make our lives harder. One of the things I most appreciate about having money is using it to make my life easier, meaning not needing to plan out nearly as many details and while traveling, being able to just eat that food we found instead of looking for cheaper food.

I too am an avid reader of both these blogs. I think all residents should read MMM! In residency, unless you are moonlighting, you cannot earn extra money, so you might as well paint that house on your day to night shift conversion day!

For me though, the MMM gold is that before I read his blog I was stuck in the mindset that everything will be so much better when I am making a big physician salary and that residency is financial purgatory! With the MMM philosophy, I consider myself to be pretty darn rich on the resident salary with extra cash to burn on some mind-blowingly ridiculous vacations. Part of this is I have dramatically reduced my fixed costs (food, utilities, insurance, etc) but it is also a matter of attitude. MMM might consider a 10 day trip to French Polynesia hedonistic but after working like a resident does the clear water makes you feel pretty good while sipping pineapple wine and looking at the most colorful fish in the world! ? Also, I am paying for it with cash that other folks are using for their daily car commutes and expensive cell phone plans so I ultimately am still financially ahead of my peers yet much more happy because I am putting money in the place that brings the most value to me!

I have enough savings/investments/pension to cut back to .25FTE (which I did for 8 months), but I found an opportunity that involved teaching residents so I went back to work full-time. We save a significant amount of money every year, but we have always done that. Work is what it is. Sometimes it is hard. Sometimes it is rewarding beyond the paycheck.

A fundamental truth in society is that most people are pretty bad at math. At the core, these FIRE ideas are simply about taking some solid math, combining it with principles of human happiness, and then distilling it down into a list of simple tactics that will get you way ahead in all areas of life. The benefits go way beyond money.

Or, you can substitute a bit more money and a bit less skill to meet those needs in an (only slightly) more efficient lifestyle, like the one I try to lead. This might allow you to save half or two-thirds of your income.

Or, you can spray money in every direction randomly, trying to meet an unfiltered list of wants and needs, and end up with a random but very expensive life, while remaining almost broke throughout the entire thing. This is what most people do, and it leads to saving almost none of your income.

Mr. Money Mustache (Pete Adeney in real life) is a Colorado family man who retired 11 years ago at age 30 after an unexceptional 10-year engineering career, and now writes occasionally about finance, business, lifestyle, technology and other topics at mrmoneymustache.com, where this was first published.

Many of the women I heard from were still able to preserve the amount of money they invest every month, mostly because they had sufficient income (or their partners did) and they had prioritized saving and investing.

Another simple, but not obvious, truth is that you determine how much money you need to retire by how much you want to spend in retirement. This stands in stark contrast to conventional wisdom that says the income you need in retirement is an arbitrary percentage of the income you had in your working years.

His web site is now hugely popular with a busy forum. I'm talking thousands of hits a month. I believe he's even traveled to other countries because of the popularity garnered from the web site and he claims to be generating a 6-digit income off of what he was able to build online. Good for him, hard work deserves to be rewarded, though I've admittedly never been a fan of mustaches.

Honestly, I love his blog. In fact, it was his blog that finally got me off my ass earlier in the year to get my financial shit together and quit spending money on stuff that will certainly delay my drive towards capturing lifelong jobless bliss. 17dc91bb1f

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